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[01:13] <Laurenceb> finished :P
[01:13] <Laurenceb> I used insulating tape + CA
[01:14] <Laurenceb> very low torque required to tilt the wings now
[01:16] <SpeedEvil> :)
[01:16] Action: SpeedEvil bets Laurenceb finds new oscillatory modes due to lack of damping
[01:16] <Laurenceb> lol
[01:17] <Laurenceb> its servo controlled so it does what the servo says
[01:17] <Laurenceb> just less stress on the servo now
[01:17] <SpeedEvil> Hopefully :)
[01:17] <SpeedEvil> You're still using a string to pull the wings back and forward?
[01:18] <Laurenceb> yes, nylon cord
[01:18] <Laurenceb> did you find those cermic resistors?
[01:18] <SpeedEvil> I've had zero time to go through stuff
[01:18] <SpeedEvil> Flat out doing garden pretty much
[01:18] <SpeedEvil> or vegging exhausted afterwards
[01:19] <Laurenceb> k
[01:19] <Laurenceb> :P
[01:19] <SpeedEvil> IIRC they were EOL
[01:28] <Laurenceb> EOL?
[01:36] <SpeedEvil> End Of Line
[01:37] <Laurenceb> ah yeah
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[07:07] <Laurenceb> edmoore_: morning
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[08:21] <edmoore> morning all
[08:21] <edmoore> greetings jcoxon
[08:21] <rjharrison> yo edmoore
[08:21] <edmoore> hi rjharrison
[08:21] <edmoore> everyone is up early today
[08:21] <rjharrison> hehe
[08:21] <rjharrison> Going to look around house again today
[08:21] <edmoore> 24 before 9am
[08:21] <edmoore> for what?
[08:21] <rjharrison> 24/7 #HA
[08:21] <edmoore> lost something on it?
[08:22] <rjharrison> No I brought one yesterday
[08:22] <edmoore> oh!
[08:22] <rjharrison> A wreck
[08:22] <edmoore> gosh
[08:22] <edmoore> wow
[08:22] <edmoore> where?
[08:22] <rjharrison> http://www.yorkshiresfinest.org/property/1259555
[08:24] <jcoxon> morning edmoore
[08:24] <jcoxon> up early as their is work to do...
[08:24] <jcoxon> there*
[08:25] <edmoore> unlike me
[08:25] <jcoxon> damn you :-)
[08:25] <edmoore> i have no work to do
[08:25] <jcoxon> uhuh
[08:25] <edmoore> although actually my list of things to do now is huge
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[08:29] Action: rjharrison thinks getting that rocket up + quite a bit of work
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[08:29] <rjharrison> s/+/=
[08:31] <rjharrison> np
[08:40] <edmoore> rjharrison: sorry got dragged away - house looks great!
[08:41] <edmoore> amazing garden and view too
[09:02] <rjharrison> Tanks
[09:02] <rjharrison> Lots of work to do
[09:06] <edmoore> another project
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[09:33] <Laurenceb_> hi
[09:33] Action: Laurenceb_ is trying to get is ublox to work
[09:33] <Laurenceb_> its really odd
[09:33] <Laurenceb_> it gets 3 sats then stops
[09:33] <Laurenceb_> only has the time at that point - no position fix
[09:34] <Laurenceb_> maybe I should try a firware update
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[09:39] <jcoxon> thats odd
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[09:50] <Laurenceb_> hmm its not responding to commands
[09:50] <Laurenceb_> maybe my cable has a dodgy rx line
[09:50] <Laurenceb_> and so the pull up resistor isnt working
[09:50] <Laurenceb_> and its getting noise on the uart rx
[09:53] <Laurenceb_> aha - looks like it is
[09:53] <Laurenceb_> unfortunately I encased everything in epoxy :-/
[09:56] <Laurenceb_> lovely 0.2mm pitch connectors
[10:02] <jcoxon> Laurenceb_, you encased in epoxy before you got it working!
[10:05] <Laurenceb_> it was too fragile
[10:14] <jcoxon> oh right
[10:15] <Laurenceb_> ok... 6 sats from my windowsill
[10:15] <Laurenceb_> but no pos fix :-/
[10:21] <Laurenceb_> hmm maybe it needs to get through all the ephermeris data
[10:21] <Laurenceb_> so has to be felt for a few minutes
[10:21] <Laurenceb_> I'll set it up on the windowsill again :P
[10:22] <Laurenceb_> 4Hz works
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[10:37] <Laurenceb_> oh wow EGNOS is online
[10:38] <Laurenceb_> thats awesome... but I'd prefer to have a lock
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[10:40] <Laurenceb_> 2 EGNOS sats wow
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[11:58] <Bertrix> anyone know a gps module that can be modified for >18km reception?
[12:01] <Laurenceb_> ublox and trimble
[12:09] <Bertrix> do they work out of the box or do they need to be reflashed
[12:09] <Laurenceb_> they work out of the box
[12:09] <Bertrix> ty
[12:09] <Laurenceb_> at least trimble lassen iq does
[12:09] <Laurenceb_> I'm trying to get a ublox working atm, but no luck
[12:09] <Laurenceb_> its not giving me a fix
[12:09] <Laurenceb_> despite tracking a ton of sats
[12:11] <Laurenceb_> cant work it out :-/
[12:11] <Laurenceb_> jcoxon: you there
[12:14] <Laurenceb_> hmm maybe EGNOS is screwing it up... not sure if its supposed to be usable yet
[12:16] <SpeedEvil> there is a list on the wiki of gps that work
[12:24] <Laurenceb_> hmf no luck
[12:24] <Laurenceb_> its refusing to get a fix
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[12:38] <SpeedEvil> may you have loaded a way-off date or time
[12:43] <Laurenceb_> u center says 1970
[12:43] <Laurenceb_> but I'm not sure if thats from the receiver
[12:44] <jcoxon> hey Laurenceb_
[12:44] <jcoxon> you called
[12:46] <Laurenceb_> hi
[12:46] <Laurenceb_> yeah, whats your experience with ublox?
[12:46] <Laurenceb_> have you tried u center?
[12:46] <jcoxon> i've used ublox 4s on my gumstix
[12:46] <Laurenceb_> right
[12:46] <jcoxon> and i've got a ublox 4 right now connected to my arduino
[12:46] <Laurenceb_> nmea?
[12:46] <jcoxon> yup
[12:47] <Laurenceb_> how many sats before you get a fix?
[12:47] <jcoxon> i think 4
[12:47] <jcoxon> i get 7 off my desk
[12:47] <Laurenceb_> makes sense
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[12:47] <jcoxon> actually last string i logged it was 9
[12:47] <jcoxon> (am running my payload to see how long it lasts
[12:48] <jcoxon> )
[12:48] <Laurenceb_> I'm getting 5 out of my window
[12:48] <Laurenceb_> but no fix
[12:48] <Laurenceb_> I had 7 earlier
[12:48] <jcoxon> that should work - no fix thats odd
[12:48] <jcoxon> i find ubloxs work without much adjustment
[12:48] <Laurenceb_> I've tried resetting to factory default and power cycling
[12:49] <Laurenceb_> and it just picks up the sats again in a few seconds, and gives the time
[12:49] <Laurenceb_> but no pos fix
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[12:50] <Laurenceb_> the ucenter data is showing 1970
[12:50] <Laurenceb_> hmm wheres the date in nmea?
[12:51] <jcoxon> which sentence
[12:52] <Laurenceb_> aha
[12:53] <Laurenceb_> ok I've turned date on in ucenter
[12:53] <Laurenceb_> ut thinks its 1980
[12:54] <Laurenceb_> weird
[12:54] <Laurenceb_> has the correct time... maybe something to do with week number or however it works in the gps nav format
[12:55] <Laurenceb_> millenium bug ?
[12:56] <jcoxon> i can't imagine thats the issue! :-p
[12:59] <Laurenceb_> hehe
[12:59] <Laurenceb_> hmm week number comes strainght from the 50 baud data
[13:00] <Laurenceb_> so if the week number has gone to some default... something is going wrong with decoding
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[13:07] <rjharrison> back again
[13:08] <jcoxon> hey rjharrison
[13:10] <Laurenceb_> oh well back to the iq
[13:10] <jcoxon> Laurenceb_, i'm amazed it itsn't working
[13:11] <Laurenceb_> me too
[13:11] <Laurenceb_> it picks up sats very well
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[13:11] <Laurenceb_> but it has the wrong week number
[13:11] <Laurenceb_> maybe theres some weird noise thats stopping it getting the gps nav data
[13:11] <jcoxon> yeah perhaps
[13:12] <Laurenceb_> I cant remove it from the usb cable unfortunately
[13:13] <Laurenceb_> its possible to track a gps sat and still have screwed nav data
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[13:34] <SpeedEvil> yes
[13:35] <SpeedEvil> if you're positioning algorithm is confused
[13:35] <SpeedEvil> for example, if it has accepted that it's really 1980, any orbital calcs will be hopelessly screwed
[13:35] <SpeedEvil> and won't converge to a position
[13:35] <Laurenceb_> ooh hang on
[13:36] <Laurenceb_> I tried loading in an almanac off a server
[13:36] <Laurenceb_> and the date is fixed
[13:36] <Laurenceb_> but its only got two gps sats
[13:36] <SpeedEvil> also - power cycling the system may in some cases remove power from USB - if that's the issue
[13:36] <Laurenceb_> hopefully it'll get 4... but it should have found them by now
[13:36] <SpeedEvil> I mean restarting
[13:37] <Laurenceb_> my wndow has very poor vivibility... I'll wait a few minutes
[13:38] <Laurenceb_> apparently egnos is fully operational now
[13:38] <Laurenceb_> so I'm leaving it on
[13:39] <Laurenceb_> 2 egnos and 2 gps
[13:45] <Laurenceb_> I only have a view due south http://www.nstb.tc.faa.gov/Full_WaasSatelliteStatus.htm
[13:45] <Laurenceb_> tracking 2 and 8 atm
[13:46] Action: Laurenceb_ wishes he was in the east pacific
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[13:48] <g1zvn> you should have got a sirf
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[13:50] <rjharrison> sirf are bad with limits
[13:50] <rjharrison> I think
[13:50] <rjharrison> us OR ! AND
[13:50] <rjharrison> use
[13:51] <mc_> theres a special firmware for that
[13:51] <mc_> rjh, house looks nice
[13:51] <rjharrison> Tanks
[13:51] <rjharrison> There will be some more pics in a bit
[13:52] <rjharrison> Just been aroun with the camera
[13:52] <mc_> is it haunted?
[13:52] <rjharrison> Looks like it ATM
[13:55] <Laurenceb_> hmm it intermittently gives HPOD and DPOD now (with 5 sats)
[13:55] <Laurenceb_> but no fix
[13:55] <Laurenceb_> seriously odd
[13:56] <Laurenceb_> I'll probably try and return it
[13:59] <mc_> can you factory reset it?
[14:00] <Laurenceb_> I tried the reset command in u center
[14:00] <Laurenceb_> and the revert to default configuration
[14:05] <Laurenceb_> I'll try installing u-center 5.06
[14:06] <Laurenceb_> I'm not sure if the antenna requires its cover
[14:06] <Laurenceb_> or if it detunes it
[14:14] <Laurenceb_> hmm the date is jumping about
[14:14] <Laurenceb_> some sort of interference?
[14:21] <SpeedEvil> what's reported sat levels
[14:21] <SpeedEvil> maybe too low to accurately decode bitstream
[14:22] <SpeedEvil> could your window be coated in such a way to block GPS
[14:22] <Laurenceb_> they are well above the filter level
[14:22] <Laurenceb_> it is
[14:22] <Laurenceb_> I've glued the module on the outside surface
[14:23] <Laurenceb_> the anti reflective/ low e coating blocks almost 100% gps
[14:23] <Laurenceb_> I suspect its something to do with interference
[14:23] <Laurenceb_> need to set up a test with no pc about
[14:24] <Laurenceb_> I've tested it outside, but my laptop was connected still
[14:26] <Laurenceb_> hmm yeah the date is jumping around as if a few bits are being flipped
[14:26] <Laurenceb_> date comes straight off the gps nav data
[14:27] <Laurenceb_> so it looks like nav bits avre being flipped
[14:27] <Laurenceb_> it could be noise coming off the usb port
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[14:35] <Laurenceb_> hmm yeah theres noise... I think 75ma is a bit too much for the 3.3v reg on my interface board
[14:36] <Laurenceb_> ripple on Vcc is over spec
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[14:54] <Hiena> Laurenceb_, give it some extra capacitor.
[14:59] <Bertrix> or try external 3.3v source
[14:59] <Bertrix> only for the gps
[15:01] <Laurenceb_> yeah just done that
[15:01] <Laurenceb_> looks good, I have a sat in my room, and valid time and date
[15:02] <Laurenceb_> nned to glue it back onto the window
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[15:04] <Laurenceb_> right here goes....
[15:04] <Laurenceb_> really poor satellite constellation atm
[15:05] <Laurenceb_> the time and date is stable now
[15:10] <Laurenceb_> aha 3d fix, 9 sats :D
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[15:22] <jcoxon> Laurenceb_, great
[15:28] <gordonjcp> hmm, my bluetooth gps is flat
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[15:33] <Laurenceb__> nice that you can save setting to flash
[15:33] <Laurenceb__> its now running minimal UBX at 38400 baud, 4Hz
[15:34] <Laurenceb__> paparazzi have a good tutorial
[15:35] <Laurenceb__> they dont trust EGNOS but apparently its pretty much usable now
[15:37] <Laurenceb__> guess its time I went outside an ran about
[15:38] Action: SpeedEvil passes Laurenceb_some seven league boots.
[15:41] <Laurenceb__> ok... it thinks I'm accelerating a 100Km/s
[15:42] <Laurenceb__> looks like 4Hz doesnt like rapidly changing constellations
[15:42] <Laurenceb__> I'm oscillating across the north atlantic
[15:43] <Laurenceb__> when I open and close the window
[15:43] <Laurenceb__> hmm the datasheet warns that 4Hz and SBAS can screw up due to lack of cpu clocks
[15:44] <Laurenceb__> this may explain why paparazzi turn it off
[15:45] <Laurenceb__> oh well Im' going outside, cya l8tr
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[18:45] <Laurenceb_> hi
[18:45] <Laurenceb_> 27 :P
[18:45] <Laurenceb_> its a nice afternoon/evening
[18:45] <Laurenceb_> go outside and get some fresh air :P
[18:45] Action: SpeedEvil has had enough wildlife today.
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[18:46] Action: SpeedEvil has been washing entire contents of cupboard, and mouseproofing.
[18:46] <SpeedEvil> mouse-shit --
[18:46] <Laurenceb_> I've tested the ublox outside
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[18:47] <Laurenceb_> amazing performance, lock in ~30 seconds, latency <400ms, velocity error <1m/s
[18:47] <Laurenceb_> position error <1m
[18:47] <Laurenceb_> all at 4 Hz XD
[18:48] <Laurenceb_> I think EGNOS really helps
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[18:50] <Laurenceb_> its just a bit buggy, but if the hints in the datasheet are anything to go by, thats due to tasks having insufficient time to complete at 4Hz with SBAS on
[18:51] <Laurenceb_> I'm tempted to make a nano rogallo with just a radio, lipo cell, servo and ublox
[18:51] <SpeedEvil> neato
[18:52] <Laurenceb_> its easily good enough to fly something simple without a gyro
[18:53] <Laurenceb_> annoyingly the velocity noise seems to be quite close to white - I was hopeing for something a bit pinker
[18:53] <Laurenceb_> but it was running with the "2g" DLL/PLL kalman filter on
[18:53] Action: SpeedEvil passes Laurenceb rose-tinted spectacles.
[18:53] <Laurenceb_> you can go down to 1g, auto, pedestrian and stationary
[18:54] <Laurenceb_> need to take a better look at some test data in matlab
[18:58] <Laurenceb_> if you could differentiale gps velocity to find turbulence/wind accelerations that would be extremely helpful for an IMU
[18:59] <Laurenceb_> but it looks like its going to give a 1 sigma error of ~0.3g
[18:59] <SpeedEvil> Eww
[18:59] <SpeedEvil> over what period?
[18:59] <Laurenceb_> however, wind gusts are <2Hz, so you could low pass a lot
[18:59] <Laurenceb_> at 4Hz sampling
[19:00] <SpeedEvil> yeah - 4Hz - the errors you need are teeny to hit that G level
[19:00] <SpeedEvil> what - a few cm?
[19:00] <Laurenceb_> not quite
[19:00] <Laurenceb_> more 50 cm or more
[19:00] <Laurenceb_> you could assume wind gusts in its mean direction
[19:01] <Laurenceb_> ie. direction is slowly varying, strenght varys over ~10s
[19:01] <SpeedEvil> is that actually true?
[19:01] <SpeedEvil> I suppose a floaty balloon would actually be useful
[19:02] <SpeedEvil> toy balloon, lifting a teeny gps payload
[19:02] <Laurenceb_> its pretty close to true, especially away from turbulence
[19:02] <Laurenceb_> - i.e. eddies ect around building
[19:02] <Laurenceb_> projecting your accel vector onto the wind axis removes a fair bit of error
[19:03] <Laurenceb_> you can work out the wind axis from the past few minutes of gyro, pitot tube velocity, and gps velocity data
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[19:04] <Laurenceb_> what I really want to make is an autopilot with ublox gps, Analogue devices IMU, and pitot tube running on an lpc2148
[19:05] <Laurenceb_> you could replace the pitot tube diff press sensor with a 16 bit adc and op amp for thermopiles, and its a rocket guidance unit as well
[19:05] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[19:06] <Laurenceb_> of course for super uberness you also swap the ublox for a blackfin and se4120 in that case :D
[19:07] Action: Laurenceb_ is running windows now *ewww*
[19:07] <Laurenceb_> my aim is to get winarm running as I had no luck with ubuntu
[19:07] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb_: naah
[19:08] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb_: night-time launches, and star-tracker
[19:10] <Laurenceb_> on a rocket?!
[19:10] <Laurenceb_> vibration? slew rate?
[19:11] <Laurenceb_> 4 thermopiles + 3 axis magno would be perfect
[19:11] <gordonjcp> Laurenceb_: ubuntu on what?
[19:11] <SpeedEvil> no - on the rollo
[19:11] <Laurenceb_> my laptop
[19:11] <gordonjcp> oh
[19:11] <gordonjcp> anything unusual about it?
[19:11] <Laurenceb_> its an acer
[19:11] <Laurenceb_> you have experience with arm7 ?
[19:11] <gordonjcp> nope
[19:12] <gordonjcp> I should have a crack at it at some point though, I'm planning on using an ARM7 board in a project
[19:15] <Laurenceb_> unfortunately it looks like one of those things where its best to start with windows
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[19:17] <Laurenceb_> hi edmoore
[19:17] <edmoore> hi Laurenceb_
[19:17] <edmoore> all well wittu?
[19:17] <Laurenceb_> yeah, been testing the ublox
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[19:18] <Laurenceb_> hes gone :P
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[19:19] <edmoore> sorry, dodgy apple power brick
[19:20] <Laurenceb_> :P
[19:20] <Laurenceb_> least it hasnt had a chair leg through it
[19:21] <Laurenceb_> I was saying I got the ublox working
[19:21] <Laurenceb_> very impressive performance
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[19:49] <natrium42> add more
[19:51] <Laurenceb_> http://fabathome.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/fabathome/
[19:52] <Laurenceb_> how do I download say the v4 firmware?
[19:52] Action: Laurenceb_ isnt used to cvs
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[19:57] <natrium42> apt-get install cvs
[19:58] <Laurenceb_> windows xp
[19:58] <natrium42> pfft
[19:59] <natrium42> tortoise cvs is popular
[19:59] <sbasuita> Aww... my connection dropped just as my chance to bash windows came :(
[19:59] <natrium42> ownd
[19:59] <natrium42> http://cafe.elharo.com/tools/cvs-tip-1-checking-out-an-entire-sourceforge-project/
[19:59] <natrium42> there should be a command line cvs client for windows too
[20:02] Action: Laurenceb_ doesnt know what hes doeing
[20:03] <Laurenceb_> theres like 5 different programs just been installed
[20:03] <Laurenceb_> I just want to folder dammit
[20:03] <Laurenceb_> http://fabathome.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/fabathome/Firmware4/
[20:03] <Laurenceb_> ^ that
[20:03] <Laurenceb_> how do I grab it?
[20:07] <Laurenceb_> can anyone help?
[20:07] Action: SpeedEvil doesn't know cvs
[20:07] <natrium42> Laurenceb_, use a cvs client
[20:07] <Laurenceb_> sure
[20:08] <natrium42> so what's the problem? :P
[20:08] <Laurenceb_> can you guide me through, I dont have a clue
[20:08] <natrium42> <natrium42> http://cafe.elharo.com/tools/cvs-tip-1-checking-out-an-entire-sourceforge-project/
[20:08] <natrium42> cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/jedit co -P .
[20:08] <Laurenceb_> I see CVSNT and something called totoiseCVS
[20:08] <Laurenceb_> in programs
[20:09] <natrium42> tortoisecvs should do
[20:09] <natrium42> not sure what cvsnt is
[20:09] <natrium42> tortoise cvs would have a UI
[20:09] <Laurenceb_> "about, help, preferences, guides"
[20:09] <Laurenceb_> knowhere to run it
[20:09] <natrium42> ah
[20:09] <natrium42> it's integrated into explorer
[20:10] <natrium42> so just right click into some folder
[20:10] <Laurenceb_> oh everything becomes apparent
[20:10] <natrium42> :)
[20:13] <Laurenceb_> aha got it
[20:13] <Laurenceb_> thanks
[20:15] <natrium42> np
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[20:23] <Laurenceb_> hmm eclipse hangs each time I try to create a project
[20:23] <Laurenceb_> the c++ prject wizard hangs
[20:23] <Laurenceb_> http://fabathome.org/wiki/index.php?title=Fab%40Home:Model_1_Firmware#Current_Version
[20:24] <Laurenceb_> ^ I'm trying to follow those instructions - they use the lpc2148
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[21:01] <Laurenceb_> arg this is maddening
[21:01] <Laurenceb_> cvs is infecting everythingh
[21:02] <Laurenceb_> how do I copy something so its no longer a cvs?
[21:03] <Laurenceb_> it appears to exist on my hard drive
[21:03] <Laurenceb_> but its still... I dont quite understand
[21:03] <Laurenceb_> somethings not quite right here
[21:04] <Laurenceb_> its trying to copy my changes over to the server maybe
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[21:22] Action: Laurenceb_ hates arm
[21:23] <SpeedEvil> If thine arm offends thee, pluck it off.
[21:23] <Laurenceb_> cant even get eclipse to work :(
[21:24] <SpeedEvil> :/
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[21:26] <Laurenceb_> hmm task manager shows about 50 seperate eclipse processes still running :-/
[21:30] <sbasuita> Laurenceb_, this is your computer's way of saying "please go back to linux"
[21:30] <Laurenceb_> probably
[21:30] <Laurenceb_> I cant even delete the hundereds of junk folders
[21:30] <Laurenceb_> its created
[21:30] <Laurenceb_> "this folder is being used by another process"
[21:31] <Laurenceb_> yes WHAT PROCESS !!!??
[21:31] <Laurenceb_> I may as well pulverise my hdd
[21:35] <Laurenceb_> ok... I'll calm down, my plan is to follow the instructions here http://fabathome.org/wiki/index.php?title=Fab%40Home:Model_1_Firmware#Eclipse_Development_Environment
[21:36] <Laurenceb_> I got the step 5 and eclipse hangs, so I managed to bypass the problem by creating a cygwin gcc project, in the hope of setting it to use an external makefile later
[21:36] <Laurenceb_> so, I have a project set up, but when I try to open it I only get and xml file describing the project
[21:37] <Laurenceb_> also when I try to build it, for some reason it know what to build
[21:37] <Laurenceb_> but it fails as its using gcc
[21:37] <Laurenceb_> I've run out of ideas
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[21:39] <sbasuita> Laurenceb_, why, just open a terminal: `lsof /path/to/file' ;P
[21:40] <sbasuita> Laurenceb_, why are you using windows again? and then trying to emulate a linux shell?
[21:41] <Laurenceb_> theres tutorials ect for windows
[21:41] <Laurenceb_> I thought it would be easier
[21:41] <Laurenceb_> somne of the scripts and flash tools are different
[21:42] <sbasuita> hmmm
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[21:49] <Laurenceb_> makefile:43: /make/armproj_make: No such file or directory
[21:49] <Laurenceb_> include $(ARMLIB)/make/armproj_make
[21:50] <Laurenceb_> I dont follow - ARMLIB is setup as an environmental variable
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[21:59] <Laurenceb_> http://pastebin.com/m53234744
[21:59] <Laurenceb_> ^ any idea what it cant find?
[22:01] <natrium42> Laurenceb_, try "/c/" instead of "C:/"
[22:01] <natrium42> is this cygwin?
[22:02] <natrium42> also, why are you making from a folder that contains spaces?
[22:02] <Laurenceb_> no luck
[22:02] <Laurenceb_> oops
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[22:06] <Laurenceb_> http://pastebin.com/mbaa181c
[22:07] <Bertrix> I never had problems with eclipse on linux
[22:07] <Bertrix> I only compiled once for arm doh
[22:07] <Bertrix> mostly avr
[22:08] <Laurenceb_> I cant make eclipse do anything, and it looked really hard on ubuntu to get everything set up
[22:09] <Laurenceb_> so my idea was to try it from the command line in xp
[22:09] <Laurenceb_> this idea has also failed
[22:09] <Laurenceb_> anyone want to buy some arm kit :P
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[22:11] <Laurenceb_> Bertrix: how do you setup a project that uses an external makefile?
[22:11] <natrium42> Laurenceb_, did you try /c/ ??
[22:11] <Laurenceb_> yes
[22:11] <Laurenceb_> didnt work
[22:11] <natrium42> without colon?
[22:11] <Bertrix> also try /cygdrive/c/
[22:12] <Bertrix> you can use the makefile with external tool
[22:14] <Laurenceb_> Bertirx: can you explain how you create a project in eclipse?
[22:18] <Laurenceb_> just the wizard thingy?
[22:18] <Bertrix> http://www.sparkfun.com/tutorial/ARM/ARM_Cross_Development_with_Eclipse.pdf
[22:18] <Bertrix> thats what i used.
[22:18] <Bertrix> yeah, just the project wizard and then i select the avr-gcc
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[22:20] <Laurenceb_> hmm thanks for that pointer
[22:20] <Laurenceb_> time for some food, bbl
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