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[08:12] <jcoxon> morning all
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[09:00] <edmoore> morning all
[09:00] <jcoxon> hey edmoore
[09:00] <edmoore> lo
[09:00] <edmoore> how was film?
[09:00] <jcoxon> it was okay
[09:00] <jcoxon> not brilliant
[09:01] <edmoore> what was it?
[09:01] <jcoxon> wolverine
[09:02] <jcoxon> exam this afternoon?
[09:02] <edmoore> yep
[09:03] <edmoore> organizational behaviour
[09:03] <edmoore> token business module
[09:05] <jcoxon> nice
[09:05] <edmoore> it's a very different mental discipline
[09:05] <edmoore> I think that's being polite...
[09:06] <jcoxon> hehe
[09:09] <jcoxon> how many left, you must be nearly finished
[09:11] <edmoore> 3
[09:12] <edmoore> one today, one tomorrow morning, and one on thursday
[09:13] <jcoxon> then party time
[09:13] <edmoore> for at least 2 days
[09:13] <edmoore> then project work
[09:14] <jcoxon> oh yeah
[09:14] <jcoxon> well project is a lot better then exams
[09:16] <edmoore> heck yes
[09:16] <jcoxon> i'm working one a little box for my arduino which is attached to my dials
[09:16] <jcoxon> for the groundstation
[09:23] <edmoore> ah neat. steam=punk habing
[09:23] <jcoxon> its not very steampunk
[09:24] <jcoxon> but it a bit tidier
[09:24] <edmoore> dials james :)
[09:24] <jcoxon> i know
[09:24] <jcoxon> but a tacky plastic box
[09:24] <edmoore> ah ok
[09:24] <jcoxon> needs to be copper or something
[09:24] <edmoore> not wrought iron boiler-plates
[09:26] <jcoxon> one day
[09:26] <jcoxon> built into my dad's landy
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[11:59] <Laurenceb> yo
[11:59] <Laurenceb> how was the exam?
[12:01] <edmoore> not yet
[12:01] <edmoore> 2.30
[12:03] <Laurenceb> good luck
[12:03] <Laurenceb> why are you on irc
[12:03] <Laurenceb> you should be meditating :P
[12:04] <Laurenceb> say ommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[12:04] <Laurenceb> then drink something refreshing
[12:05] <SpeedEvil> vodka!
[12:05] <Laurenceb> no, not good
[12:13] <Laurenceb> I have a friend who was so busy revising before an exam he forgot the time and missed it completely
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[12:53] <SpeedEvil> I've done that :/
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[15:05] <jcoxon> afternoon all
[15:06] <sbasuita> afternoon
[15:08] <jcoxon> hey sbasuita
[15:09] <AlexBreton> jesus
[15:09] Action: sbasuita fails to complete his 'online' chemistry homework
[15:09] <AlexBreton> been grappling with a stupid OCR online homework
[15:09] <sbasuita> OCR provides me and AlexBreton a great excuse to rage on our teacher
[15:09] <sbasuita> : )
[15:09] <AlexBreton> I can't even log in to the stupid piece of crap
[15:09] <AlexBreton> never mind, we get excused from chemistry homework
[15:10] <sbasuita> AlexBreton, it was more revision
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[15:10] <sbasuita> AlexBreton, you going to do those c1-c3 questions?
[15:10] <rjharrison> Hi all
[15:10] <AlexBreton> I have that essay to do
[15:10] <AlexBreton> its more urgent
[15:10] <AlexBreton> and maths also
[15:15] <sbasuita> AlexBreton, you got 39/50 in that chemistry test btw =/
[15:17] <sbasuita> AlexBreton, actually 40, sorry.
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[17:02] <jcoxon> hey edmoore
[17:02] <edmoore> hi jcoxon
[17:03] <edmoore> wassup?
[17:03] <jcoxon> not much
[17:03] <jcoxon> you?
[17:03] <edmoore> good - squeasy peasy exam
[17:03] <jcoxon> excellent
[17:03] <edmoore> but karma all gone for tomorrow
[17:03] <jcoxon> hehe
[17:05] <jcoxon> hehe do you remember the day when it was - wow we've made double figures
[17:07] <edmoore> when?
[17:07] <edmoore> i'm not sure i do
[17:08] <rjharrison> in the old days
[17:08] <rjharrison> when no one was on here
[17:08] <edmoore> are we talking about channel usage now?
[17:08] <jcoxon> yes
[17:08] <edmoore> because i can't keep up
[17:08] <rjharrison> yep
[17:08] <rjharrison> Too many exams
[17:08] <edmoore> i remember when it was you, ben firsh, steve, defy
[17:08] <edmoore> henry sometimes
[17:09] <jcoxon> its grown nicely
[17:09] <edmoore> can't remember who else was around
[17:10] <jcoxon> let me find an original log
[17:10] <edmoore> i notice i seem to have talked a lot during 2008
[17:11] <edmoore> G0WXJ
[17:11] <edmoore> he was back recently wasn't he?
[17:11] <jcoxon> if thats peter then yes
[17:12] <jcoxon> briefly - he emailed me as well - there might be a let up in the amateur radio rules
[17:12] <edmoore> forward!
[17:12] <jcoxon> but i haven't heard anything since
[17:12] <rjharrison> Tell us more
[17:12] <jcoxon> done
[17:13] <jcoxon> "There is also some movement with regard to using amateur equipment in private aircraft, and if this pushes through we?re planning on riding on the back of it."
[17:13] <edmoore> cool
[17:13] <edmoore> that would be such a good day
[17:14] <jcoxon> i'm not sure it'll ever happen
[17:14] <edmoore> 200mW on 2m and we'd all be sorted
[17:14] <jcoxon> aprs
[17:14] <edmoore> fazackerly
[17:14] <jcoxon> i'd look fondly on the old 434 days though
[17:14] <jcoxon> when we did things properly, none of this rubbish packet stuff :-p
[17:15] <edmoore> that's true, it would be a shame to loose it
[17:15] <edmoore> 434 is cool
[17:15] <edmoore> could always keep the 434 just for fun
[17:15] <edmoore> as a backup
[17:17] <jcoxon> 04/05/06: http://www.pegasushabproject.org.uk/zeusbot/2006/xmay2006/highaltitude.log.04May2006
[17:19] <jcoxon> haha this is how it used to be:
[17:19] <jcoxon> http://www.pegasushabproject.org.uk/zeusbot/2006/xjan2006/highaltitude.log.05Jan2006
[17:21] <edmoore> ah
[17:21] <edmoore> so this is why Tiger^ kept greeting me on #hamradio
[17:21] <edmoore> cos I actually e-know him
[17:21] <jcoxon> Tiger launched in Poland
[17:21] <jcoxon> very good flight
[17:23] <jcoxon> hmmm i should get all the logs back online
[17:24] <rjharrison> jcoxon: U up 4 a play on 80m tonight
[17:24] <rjharrison> Be interested to see if I can send you morse again
[17:25] <jcoxon> yup
[17:25] <jcoxon> if only i had a tuner
[17:25] <jcoxon> :-p
[17:27] <rjharrison> Where are you
[17:27] <rjharrison> ATU
[17:27] <rjharrison> ?
[17:28] <rjharrison> BTW icarus II PCB is about to go line in 5 mins
[17:28] <rjharrison> live
[17:28] <jcoxon> yup
[17:29] <edmoore> oh oh oh jcoxon
[17:29] <edmoore> do you have a yagi?
[17:30] <edmoore> jcoxon: !!!!
[17:30] <edmoore> my enthusiasm is briefly alighted!
[17:30] <edmoore> alas
[17:30] <edmoore> alar!
[17:30] <jcoxon> edmoore, i don't have a yagi ed
[17:30] <edmoore> gah
[17:30] <jcoxon> i've been using a moxon
[17:30] <edmoore> moxon?
[17:30] <edmoore> ok
[17:31] <edmoore> can you see if you can hear the lots and lots of wats GB3PY repeater if i talk through it?
[17:31] <edmoore> tune to fm, turn sqelch down, so what you can hear
[17:31] <edmoore> i'll call you through it
[17:31] <edmoore> i think it's a kW
[17:31] <edmoore> and it's quite high up
[17:31] <jcoxon> okay
[17:32] <jcoxon> give me one sec
[17:32] <jcoxon> out freq?
[17:32] <gordonjcp> edmoore: unlikely a repeater would be 1kW
[17:32] <edmoore> typo
[17:32] <edmoore> it's like 50
[17:32] <edmoore> not that you can typo 1kw from 50W
[17:32] <edmoore> but w/e
[17:33] <edmoore> some guys could hear it near birminham recently, though
[17:33] <edmoore> jcoxon: 433.200
[17:34] <jcoxon> okay
[17:34] <jcoxon> i'm in my normal position to receive
[17:34] <edmoore> tell me when to try
[17:34] <jcoxon> but will extend up higher if required
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[17:50] <edmoore> ho hum
[17:50] <edmoore> gosh, 25 people
[17:51] <jcoxon> hehe
[17:56] <AlexBreton> catching up with the weekend work here ;-)
[17:56] <AlexBreton> still have a light essay to write before the day is done
[17:56] <jcoxon> http://www.pegasushabproject.org.uk/zeusbot/2006/index.html
[17:58] <sbasuita> jcoxon, "The requested URL /zeusbot/2006/search.html was not found on this server."
[17:58] <rjharrison> U there for 5 mind jcoxon
[17:58] <rjharrison> mins
[17:58] <jcoxon> sbasuita, oh only the log files will work
[17:58] <jcoxon> rjharrison, yup
[17:58] <rjharrison> Icarus II is fully working
[17:58] <jcoxon> excellent
[17:58] <rjharrison> its sooo niccee
[17:59] <jcoxon> excellent
[17:59] <jcoxon> pictures please
[17:59] <jcoxon> how can i help then
[17:59] <rjharrison> yep hence 5 mis
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[18:19] <jcoxon> wow 70cm as a band is empty
[18:19] <jcoxon> it always amazes me
[18:20] <SpeedEvil> lack of ionosphere I guess
[18:20] <jcoxon> ionosphere isn't too important with vhf
[18:23] <jcoxon> i can now call into my local repeater
[18:23] <jcoxon> just no one is there
[18:30] <SpeedEvil> :/
[18:37] <rjharrison> http://www.robertharrison.org/images/icarus2/IcarusII-Bare.JPG
[18:37] <rjharrison> http://www.robertharrison.org/images/icarus2/IcarusII-Filled.JPG
[18:37] <jcoxon> oooo that does look good
[18:38] <rjharrison> Do you like the filled in one
[18:39] <jcoxon> yes
[18:39] <edmoore> fly it!
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[18:39] <edmoore> weeeeeeee
[18:39] <edmoore> oooh 26
[18:39] <edmoore> have we broken 30 ever?
[18:40] <edmoore> 27!
[18:40] <edmoore> tonight could be the night
[18:40] <rjharrison> lol
[18:40] <edmoore> we need the APEX lot
[18:40] <edmoore> and i desperately need to revise, actually
[18:40] <rjharrison> Perhaps when the weather is good next
[18:40] <rjharrison> G8KHW: http://www.robertharrison.org/images/icarus2/IcarusII-Filled.JPG
[18:41] <rjharrison> Even has dummy diode protection
[18:43] <G8KHW> neat
[18:52] <DanielRichman> rjharrison, does that icarus2 pcb have through-hole plating or do you have to solder everything on both sides?
[18:52] <rjharrison> THP I think
[18:53] <DanielRichman> cool. Who made the pcb?
[18:55] <rjharrison> OLIMEX
[18:55] <rjharrison> http://www.olimex.com
[18:56] <rjharrison> They have done a few poards for people on here
[18:56] <DanielRichman> heard of them... final question - what software did you use to design it? eagle, geda...?
[18:56] <rjharrison> Eagle
[18:56] <rjharrison> Free version
[18:57] <rjharrison> 60mm by 100mm
[18:58] <edmoore> 80 x 100 non?
[18:58] <rjharrison> no 60x100
[18:58] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, do we need a pcb?
[18:59] <rjharrison> I know I know I could have had 80x100 but I thought I'd save some spae
[18:59] <rjharrison> space
[18:59] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, of course. But our will be no way as awesome as that because we're using a dodgey chemical process at school
[18:59] <edmoore> no but the limit of free eagle is 80 x 100 iirc
[19:00] <edmoore> oh you just said that
[19:01] <edmoore> dodgy chemical processes did me well for many tens of pcbs over 5 years at school
[19:02] <edmoore> if you only have single sided to play with, it sharpens up your layout nouse
[19:02] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, remind me why you make all the tracks so wide?
[19:02] <edmoore> making trackes wide is a good idea
[19:02] <edmoore> making them narrow is a bad idea
[19:02] <edmoore> make them as wide as you can get away with
[19:02] <rjharrison> I love autorouter on Eagle
[19:02] <DanielRichman> exactly
[19:02] <edmoore> lower resistance, reduced risk of delamination, especially under non-trivial thermal cycling of multiple balloon flights
[19:02] <DanielRichman> edmoore, is right
[19:03] <jcoxon> rjharrison, careful - ed will get angry
[19:03] <sbasuita> mmm... fair enough
[19:03] <edmoore> autorouter is a disaster zone - you're not allowed to talk about autorouting here
[19:03] <rjharrison> lol
[19:03] <DanielRichman> rjharrison, some autorouters are good. some are _bad_
[19:03] <edmoore> especially not the eagle one
[19:03] <rjharrison> Yep I move a few lines after the autoreout
[19:03] <edmoore> i'm having an asthma attack
[19:04] <rjharrison> I didn't want anything too close the GPS
[19:05] <edmoore> DanielRichman: I presume single sided at school?
[19:05] <DanielRichman> edmoore, indeed. well, technically we *could* do double sided, but no THP, and all the pcb stocks are single sided
[19:05] <edmoore> ok
[19:05] <DanielRichman> edmoore, I don't see us needing double sided.
[19:05] <edmoore> if you can get some double sided, but still can't do actual tracks double sided, it's still good to make one side solid ground plane
[19:06] <edmoore> you get much, much better emi performance
[19:06] <edmoore> vias can be done with single-core
[19:06] <DanielRichman> edmoore, can we not just have a ground plane elsewhere, I don't know, perhaps cover the bottom of the payload with tinfoil?
[19:06] <edmoore> sure
[19:07] <edmoore> but you sometimes/often need to solder to it
[19:07] <edmoore> so it saves needing to run a ground path on the layer that you actually do have
[19:07] <jcoxon> wow C&C Red Alert is now available as freeware - love that game
[19:07] <edmoore> oh?
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[19:07] <edmoore> i recently tried to make it run on xp
[19:07] <jcoxon> yeah they released it last year
[19:07] <edmoore> had lots of trouble
[19:07] <DanielRichman> edmoore, is needing to route another net by hand the only downside? because I can cope with that and just use a lump of metal as a ground plane, rather than have to aquire some doublesided etc.
[19:08] <jcoxon> and its XP compat now
[19:08] <edmoore> sure, just saying, if you have some lying around you get very much improved emi performance over single layer for no extra effort
[19:08] <edmoore> jcoxon: link me
[19:08] <edmoore> this is gonna be gold for post-exams
[19:08] <DanielRichman> edmoore, ok
[19:09] <jcoxon> http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=76322
[19:09] <jcoxon> my flat mate and i are going to play Lan :-D
[19:09] <jcoxon> in 31 minutes
[19:09] <edmoore> no way
[19:09] <edmoore> but maybe after zams
[19:09] <jcoxon> hehe
[19:09] <jcoxon> we could tunnel you a connection next week
[19:09] <edmoore> will try it on crossover for mac
[19:10] <jcoxon> i'm going to try on normal wine
[19:10] <jcoxon> macports
[19:10] <edmoore> what would they call a commercial version of wine with support?
[19:10] <edmoore> premier cru?
[19:11] <edmoore> grand cru?
[19:11] <jcoxon> hehe
[19:11] <jcoxon> vintage
[19:12] <jcoxon> there are reports of wine working
[19:12] <jcoxon> will get back to you in 29mins
[19:12] <jcoxon> :-p
[19:12] <jcoxon> so excited
[19:12] Action: sbasuita decides to download it for the sake of it
[19:12] <edmoore> is aftermath out?
[19:13] <edmoore> how am i to live without ludicrously feeble tele-tanks?
[19:13] <jcoxon> hehe
[19:14] <rjharrison> ISP works
[19:14] <rjharrison> Just tested
[19:14] <rjharrison> I burnt the micro befor install just incase
[19:15] <rjharrison> Humm this is small enough to sandwich between 2 bits of foam and launch
[19:15] <rjharrison> Might not even need a para
[19:16] <DanielRichman> Bad things could happen upon landing
[19:16] <SpeedEvil> yes - but if you make it so you can take the freefall speed of your payload, ...
[19:16] <SpeedEvil> lots less to go wrong
[19:17] <rjharrison> and very light
[19:17] <sbasuita> rjharrison, what about the camera?
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[19:36] <rjharrison> ahh no camera on this one
[19:36] <rjharrison> This would be a high alt attempt with no pics
[19:39] <sbasuita> : (
[19:40] <SpeedEvil> dealextreme has cameras for about 20g
[19:40] <SpeedEvil> of course - they may not work :)
[19:42] <rjharrison> interfacing them might be interesting
[19:42] <rjharrison> sbasuita: I like pics too and I'm in need of some new ones
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[20:10] <DanielRichman> rjharrison, are you going to break the altitude record then? ;)
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[20:41] <Laurenceb> http://www.carsoftheworld.eu/images/news/Riich%20Logo.jpg
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[21:03] <Laurenceb> http://hackaday.com/2009/05/04/robotic-sheep-shearing
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[21:28] <sbasuita> That thing is scary.
[21:28] <iNatrium> Hi
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[21:30] <Laurenceb> not as scary as this : http://hackaday.com/2009/05/03/steampunk-vibrator/
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[21:37] <iNatrium> Hey laurence
[21:37] <iNatrium> When's launch? :)
[21:38] <Laurenceb> of the mini rogallo?
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[21:49] <rjharrison> PINg natrium42
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[21:52] <natrium42> grr
[21:52] <natrium42> he gave me all of 2 minutes :P
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[22:07] <Laurenceb> natrium42: should be a mini rogallo launch soon
[22:08] <natrium42> oh, awesome
[22:08] <Laurenceb> I've made the firmware changes I wanted to make, just waiting for some bearings from nippon
[22:08] <Laurenceb> got some nice mini ball bearing specced to -50C
[22:09] <natrium42> nice
[22:09] <natrium42> they use some special grease?
[22:09] <Laurenceb> for the wing tilt
[22:09] <Laurenceb> I think so - also the seals presumably
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[23:04] <Laurenceb> http://www.microlaunchers.com/7816/L3/laser/laser-link.html <- intweresting idea
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