highaltitude.log.20090423

[00:00] <edmoore> i'm not really interested in it, that's the problem
[00:00] <edmoore> just tell me how fast i can clock this fpga, then f-off
[00:00] <Laurenceb> hehe
[00:01] <Laurenceb> do you use gcc?
[00:01] <edmoore> yes
[00:01] <edmoore> rowley corssworks - an ide for it
[00:01] <Laurenceb> I see
[00:02] <Laurenceb> then what about math lib?
[00:03] <edmoore> crossworks does actually provide its own maths libs
[00:03] <edmoore> single floats rather than doubles, for speed
[00:04] <Laurenceb> yeah
[00:05] <Laurenceb> I'll let you get back to revision, thanks for the info
[00:05] <edmoore> ta
[00:05] <edmoore> of to bed
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[09:11] <jcoxon> morning all
[09:12] <icez> morning
[09:17] <jcoxon> hey icez
[09:17] <jcoxon> how are things?
[09:17] <icez> not bad and getting a little better, yourself?
[09:21] <jcoxon> busy busy
[09:21] <jcoxon> got an exam next week which is taking up loads of my time
[09:25] <jcoxon> what you up to these days?
[09:26] <icez> studying, learning more programming stuff, gonna get my US residency before 2010 hopefully
[09:27] <icez> laughing at my step-mom because she believed an email that said Mars would be the same size as the Moon on August 27th with the naked eye
[09:27] <icez> ;p
[09:28] <icez> changed my study plan a little, so now I'm still majoring in CS but with a minor in astronomy
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[09:38] <icez> didn't know cars had theory :p
[09:38] <jcoxon> icez: hehe
[09:39] <icez> jcoxon, still in medicine right?
[09:39] <jcoxon> yeah
[09:39] <jcoxon> in my 5th year
[09:39] <icez> how much more time left?
[09:39] <jcoxon> 1 left
[09:39] <icez> woot
[09:40] <icez> any field specifically or general medicine?
[09:40] <jcoxon> getting there slowly
[09:40] <jcoxon> its just general at the moment, will specialise in the future
[09:40] <jcoxon> but not sure into what
[09:41] <icez> I've never quite looked into medicine stuff, but it must be pretty challenging
[09:42] <jcoxon> its alot of information to remember - and my memory is rubbish these days
[09:42] <shellevil> naah - easy. it's really half an hour study, and 6 years of drinking.
[09:42] <jcoxon> shellevil: :-D
[09:42] <jcoxon> if only
[09:42] <shellevil> yeah.
[09:42] <jcoxon> i'm obviously in the wrong place
[09:43] <icez> isn't that what hawking did before he went boom?
[09:43] <icez> drink and party all day
[09:43] <jcoxon> quite possibly
[09:44] <shellevil> jcoxon: so you've actually gotten your hands on patients in the last yearish?
[09:44] Action: shellevil tries to remember.
[09:45] <jcoxon> for teh past 2 years
[09:45] Action: shellevil wonders if it's really like ER.
[09:45] <jcoxon> its not
[09:45] <jcoxon> its a lot of just sitting and waiting
[09:45] Action: shellevil passes jcoxon a helicopter deflecting helment.
[09:46] <jcoxon> yeah
[09:46] <jcoxon> ain't no helicopters landing near here
[09:46] <shellevil> Though I understand the hours are _somewhat_ less insane than they were.
[09:46] Action: jcoxon is in St Thomas' library
[09:47] <jcoxon> yeah they've reduced the hours - European working directive thingy - but also that means less money
[09:47] <shellevil> I'm unsure about that - generally - but overtired doctors has potentially worse consequences than overtired shelf-stackers.
[09:48] <jcoxon> very true, it also means less experienec
[09:48] <shellevil> yeah.
[09:48] <icez> falling asleep on the OR table?:o
[09:48] <jcoxon> if you are a junior doctor who only works 9 to 5 you are going to miss a lot
[09:48] <shellevil> Pity there isn't a nice simple solution.
[09:48] <shellevil> Aha! wikipedia!
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[09:49] <icez> I'm just glad there's at least a good chunk of good doctors around, otherwise I'd probably be dead before I turned 1 :p
[09:50] <shellevil> My most adventurous experience was somehow coughing a hole in my trachea/upper airway, and my whole face inflating.
[09:50] <shellevil> Which was fun.
[09:51] <shellevil> Though much nicer symptomatically than the alternative of a collapsed lung.
[09:51] <icez> I think my thing was called congenital diaphragm hernia, but I'm not sure
[09:52] <jcoxon> icez: yup, when there is a hole in your diaphragm so everything below it moves up
[09:52] <icez> yeah
[09:52] <jcoxon> so squashes your lungs and can trapped
[09:52] <jcoxon> can gettrapped*
[09:52] <icez> they had to bring doctors from boston to montreal
[09:52] <jcoxon> its quite rare i think
[09:53] <icez> had a tube in my brain to drain liquids
[09:53] <jcoxon> hydrocephalus?
[09:53] <icez> still have the 2 scars they cut to operate to this day :P
[09:53] <jcoxon> sounds like a shunt
[09:54] <icez> it had a little valve, as I was told
[09:55] <jcoxon> thats a pretty impressive collection of medical conditions
[09:55] <jcoxon> right i better go back to clinic
[09:55] <jcoxon> cya all
[09:55] <shellevil> jcoxon: no thoughts as to your speciality - if any?
[09:55] <shellevil> wave
[09:55] <icez> cya
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[09:55] <shellevil> good luck.
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[10:51] <Laurenceb> hello
[10:54] <shellevil> maybe.
[11:02] <Laurenceb> http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=447472 <- interesting thread
[11:05] <Laurenceb> http://static.rcgroups.com/forums/attachments/1/7/7/6/a1063869-12-pitot%20tube.jpg
[11:07] <Laurenceb> I've got a 2meter wingspan glow engined plane I was planning on converting to electric
[11:08] <Laurenceb> but... if it was fitted with 4 stroke
[11:08] <Laurenceb> stupidly long range uav :P
[11:09] <Laurenceb> 2 stroke glow engines are annoying - you can spend hours trying to get them just to start
[11:11] <edmoore> Laurenceb: am having a poke around sstl on may 7th
[11:11] <edmoore> if you're around
[11:11] <edmoore> being shown around by stuart eves - do you know him?
[11:16] <Laurenceb> yeah sure
[11:16] <Laurenceb> nice
[11:16] <Laurenceb> how did you arrange that? just emailed him?
[11:17] <Laurenceb> Stuart's the problicity/promotion type guy
[11:18] <Laurenceb> your in 3rd year atm arent you?
[11:25] <gordonjcp> Laurenceb: if your 2-stroke glowplug engine is hard to start, it's either down on compression or your fuel is stale
[11:29] <Laurenceb> yeah maybe
[11:29] <Laurenceb> I dont have much experience with them
[11:29] <Laurenceb> the fuel goes stale?
[11:29] <shellevil> yes
[11:29] <shellevil> also maybe too little nitro
[11:29] <shellevil> if it's a very little one
[11:29] <shellevil> or your reed is buggered
[11:30] <shellevil> Or your glow plug is shot.
[11:30] <Laurenceb> do the 4 stroke ones use spark plugs?
[11:30] <shellevil> it depends
[11:31] <shellevil> there are IIRC 4 stroke glow engines
[11:31] <shellevil> some do
[11:31] <shellevil> and at that size the spark power is annoying to generate.
[11:31] <shellevil> As of course it requires the same spark as a big engine
[11:31] <Laurenceb> yeah
[11:32] <Laurenceb> the main problem with converting my plane to a uav is comms range
[11:32] <shellevil> wood + flash-boiler -> steam -> turbine
[11:32] <Laurenceb> unless... I use a balloon as a comms relay
[11:32] <shellevil> or another plane.
[11:32] <Laurenceb> hehe
[11:33] <shellevil> It's not that long ago that battery power was a curiosity.
[11:33] <shellevil> Wood burning steam planes could get better too!
[11:33] <shellevil> (or maybe not)
[11:33] <Laurenceb> lol
[11:34] <Laurenceb> the annoying thing about uavs is you cant really fly them legally
[11:34] <shellevil> Why not?
[11:34] <shellevil> I thought that under 7Kg, you were OK.
[11:34] <Laurenceb> well if you stay below a few hundered feet its probably fine
[11:34] <shellevil> Or was it 7lb
[11:34] <Laurenceb> really?
[11:35] <shellevil> I looked it up a while ago, I could be inventing stuff.
[11:36] <Laurenceb> http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/1416/srg_str_00002-01-180604.pdf
[11:37] <Laurenceb> hmm looks reasonably ok
[11:38] <Laurenceb> I think I was reading too many US sites
[11:39] <Laurenceb> <7Kg, <70 knots, away from public areas and controlled airspace looks to be fine
[11:40] <shellevil> As I read it last time, under 7Kg you were exempt from teh light aircraft regulations applied to heavier models - ...
[11:40] <shellevil> and hence the UAV regulations which built on them
[11:40] <Laurenceb> " D.R.Haddon/C.J.Whittaker
[11:40] <Laurenceb> August 2002
[11:40] <Laurenceb> (Available on the CAA web site
[11:40] <Laurenceb> www.caa.co.uk/docs/393/srg_acp_000
[11:40] <Laurenceb> The UAV System must be the subject of a 16-01-120203.pdf)
[11:40] <Laurenceb> positive recommendation from an
[11:40] <Laurenceb> accredited body giving assurance of
[11:40] <Laurenceb> acceptable design and build standards, and
[11:40] <Laurenceb> of the completion of an appropriate function
[11:40] <Laurenceb> and reliability flight test programme without
[11:40] <Laurenceb> incident or modification.
[11:40] <Laurenceb> "
[11:40] <Laurenceb> oops
[11:41] <Laurenceb> so tecnically... it needs to be "flight tested"
[11:42] <shellevil> I neeed to reread at some point when I'm actually awake.
[11:43] <Laurenceb> I'm off anyway
[11:43] <Laurenceb> cya
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[15:06] <jcoxon> afternoon all
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[17:50] <jcoxon> hey all
[17:54] <sbasuita> afternoon
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[18:15] <jcoxon> hey sbasuita
[18:18] <sbasuita> Hmm... the local 70cm repeater is getting occasional activation by some pulsey noise that nobody can track down
[18:18] <jcoxon> strange
[18:18] <jcoxon> what freq does it work on?
[18:21] <jcoxon> bbl
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[18:26] <sbasuita> jcoxon, http://www.ukrepeater.net/repeaters/gb3bn.htm - input on 434.6MHz
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[19:06] <edmoore> hi jcoxon
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[19:42] <jcoxon> hey edmoore
[19:42] <edmoore> evening
[19:43] <edmoore> all well?
[19:43] <jcoxon> yes, tired - long day in clinic
[19:43] <jcoxon> with a few breaks luckly
[19:43] <jcoxon> first week done?
[19:43] <edmoore> yep
[19:43] <edmoore> 6 to go
[19:43] <edmoore> no balloons to listen out for
[19:44] <natrium42> edmoore poke jcoxon to launch Ballast Halo :P
[19:44] <edmoore> what is ballast halo?
[19:44] <edmoore> a ballast test?
[19:44] <natrium42> yep
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[19:45] <jcoxon> natrium42, i'm working on it
[19:46] <edmoore> is she going out to se?
[19:46] <edmoore> sea*
[19:47] <jcoxon> sea?
[19:47] <edmoore> sea
[19:47] <edmoore> the ballast test
[19:48] <jcoxon> hope not!
[19:48] <jcoxon> will launch very carefully
[20:17] <jcoxon> natrium42, i'm working on it - am just sorting out the flight computer
[20:17] <jcoxon> helped by a new nice gps library for the arduino
[20:22] <natrium42> cool
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[21:21] <Laurenceb> hi
[21:22] <shellevil> hi
[21:30] <edmoore> hi Laurenceb
[21:30] <edmoore> sorry i ran away thismorning
[21:31] <edmoore> so you know stuart eves
[21:31] <edmoore> that's cool
[21:33] <Laurenceb> your just going on a tour?
[21:33] <Laurenceb> anyone else coming with you?
[21:36] <edmoore> don't think so
[21:36] <edmoore> yep, a tour
[21:37] <Laurenceb> cool I'll see you around then :D
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[21:49] <DanielRichman> How fast can a 4k7 pullup bring a line high? I'm thinking about the 1wire protocol, and the read slot microsecond timings... In the datasheet it's got a curve as the line slowly comes high, but it's not to scale. What's a good estimation?
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[21:50] <gordonjcp> DanielRichman: what's the capacitance on the line?
[21:51] <DanielRichman> No idea - haven't made it yet. But apart from the capacitance of the temperature sensor (mentioned in the datasheet as 25pF, the line will just be copper wiring.
[21:51] <gordonjcp> so what sort of time constant does that give you?
[21:52] <DanielRichman> A pretty tiny one. 4700 x 10-12 (haven't factor'd in the capacitance of the wire, do you know any typical values?
[21:53] <gordonjcp> "tiny"
[21:53] <gordonjcp> ;-)
[21:53] <DanielRichman> But _how_ tiny ;)
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[21:53] <gordonjcp> at a few hundred kilohertz, incredibly tiny
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[22:15] <jcoxon> hmmm how strange - apparently my ublox gps is sending dude sentences
[22:15] <jcoxon> they are failing their checksum's
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[22:33] <Laurenceb> maybe it uses a non standard checksum calculation
[22:33] <Laurenceb> e.g. not over all the string
[22:34] <jcoxon> i've emailed the author of the library
[22:35] <jcoxon> see what he thinks
[22:35] <Laurenceb> your using a library?
[22:35] <jcoxon> i checked the strings' checksums - they are all good
[22:35] <Laurenceb> what for the proprietory protocol?
[22:35] <jcoxon> no nmea
[22:35] <Laurenceb> ah ok
[22:35] <Laurenceb> but thats easy :P
[22:36] <jcoxon> sure, and the library is nicely written and overcomes a load of weird arduino issues
[22:36] <Laurenceb> eww arduino issues
[22:36] <jcoxon> they are pretty special
[22:36] <Laurenceb> hehe
[22:36] <Laurenceb> this clean coal program sounds.... interesting
[22:37] Action: Laurenceb fills his basement with concrete for blowout protection
[22:40] <Laurenceb> omg http://digg.com/world_news/Gangs_Seeking_Phones_That_Can_Intercept_SMS
[22:40] <Laurenceb> I have a few of those hanging about :D
[22:41] <natrium> haha
[22:41] <natrium> omg you're going to be rich!!
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[22:41] <Laurenceb> I seriously doubt this
[22:42] <Laurenceb> it does however have FMbus on the main board
[22:42] <jcoxon> right night all
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[22:44] <shellevil> SMSs are cleartext?
[22:44] <Laurenceb> I dunno - PDU strings are
[22:44] <natrium> brb, clean installing new ubuntu
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[22:45] <Laurenceb> http://www.eagletreesystems.com/Sailplane/sailplane.html
[22:51] <Laurenceb> hmm apparently sms isnt encripted
[22:56] <Laurenceb> hmm 9.04?
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[23:26] <Laurenceb> upgraded to 9.04 ?
[23:26] <natrium42> yep
[23:27] <natrium42> just need to figure out why broadcom wireless driver is not being enabled
[23:27] <Laurenceb> any good?
[23:27] <natrium42> well, i still need to fix many things
[23:27] <natrium42> MBP seems to be heating up
[23:28] <natrium42> something wrong with power management i guess
[23:28] <natrium42> controlling key brightness is still broken out of the box
[23:28] <natrium42> at least screen brightness works out of the box now
[23:29] <natrium42> we'll see
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[23:32] <Laurenceb> can you upgrade from 8.04?
[23:32] <natrium42> yes
[23:32] <natrium42> but i prefer clean installing
[23:32] <Laurenceb> cool
[23:33] <natrium42> got my home folder on separate partition
[23:33] <natrium42> so clean install is easy
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