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[00:24] <SpeedEvil> one-time opportunity
[00:24] <SpeedEvil> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C/2007_N3
[00:24] <SpeedEvil> comet to the south if you can see it
[00:36] <sYx66> Lulin observatory
[00:36] <SpeedEvil> Sounds like a teletubbyt.
[00:36] <SpeedEvil> magnitude 5 alas.
[00:37] <SpeedEvil> I think I might in current conditions see a magnitude -5 object in that position.
[00:37] <sYx66> no chance for us to see it from Canada eh?
[00:37] <SpeedEvil> It's all fun and games until your bicycle frame shatters and drives shards through your abdomen at 50MPH.
[00:38] <SpeedEvil> oops
[00:38] <SpeedEvil> sYx66: is it dark there?
[00:38] <sYx66> yes
[00:38] <SpeedEvil> clear sky to the south?
[00:39] <sYx66> it's not easy for me to check. i got trees
[00:39] <sYx66> natrium?
[00:42] <natrium42> i will check
[00:42] <sYx66> how long do we have?
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[00:43] <Laurenceb> hi
[00:43] <natrium42> sky is bad
[00:44] <natrium42> hi Laurenceb
[00:44] <sYx66> :(
[00:44] <natrium42> Laurenceb, PCBs shipped --> http://www.fedex.com/Tracking?tracknumbers=723851773280
[00:44] <natrium42> did you request the antenna samples?
[00:45] <Laurenceb> oops
[00:45] <Laurenceb> forgot
[00:45] <natrium42> i have two for myself :P
[00:45] <natrium42> do you want me to solder the GPS chip on?
[00:45] <Laurenceb> yeah I'll request some
[00:45] <Laurenceb> if poss thanks
[00:45] <natrium42> k, it's not an easy package
[00:45] <Laurenceb> yeah
[00:46] <natrium42> i think i will go for hot plate instead of hot air
[00:46] <Laurenceb> if you think you cant do it I'm sure someone here could help me
[00:46] <Laurenceb> dont want to damage anything
[00:46] <natrium42> i will be cooking mine anyway
[00:46] <Laurenceb> ok
[00:46] <natrium42> you just need to solder the antenna
[00:46] <natrium42> it's damn tiny too, but you should manage :)
[00:47] <Laurenceb> yeah I've done lots of smd
[00:48] <natrium42> you should be fine then
[00:49] <natrium42> any news with the level sensor?
[00:56] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb said earlier that he thought the a/d chip might be dead, he's orderd another.
[00:56] <Laurenceb> yeah
[00:57] <Laurenceb> sorry was afk
[00:57] <Laurenceb> AD have a nice free samples thingy :P
[00:57] <Laurenceb> this time I'll assemble it very carefully in the lab
[00:59] <natrium42> excellent
[00:59] <Laurenceb> I'm guessing it was some fluke esd
[00:59] <Laurenceb> the front end is probably very sensitive
[01:00] <Laurenceb> it has attofarad resolution afterall
[01:00] <natrium42> wow
[01:00] <natrium42> so it's measuring capacitance betwen two plates (wires)?
[01:00] <Laurenceb> yea
[01:00] <natrium42> and the conductive liquid changes the capacitance
[01:01] <natrium42> neat
[01:01] <Laurenceb> two wires down a copper tube
[01:01] <Laurenceb> actually the liquid doesnt need to be conductive
[01:01] <Laurenceb> just any dielectric will do
[01:01] <natrium42> aah
[01:01] <Laurenceb> I want to make a capacitive tomography scanner now
[01:03] <Laurenceb> cant work out a good imaging algorythm
[01:04] <Laurenceb> one idea I had was to mount the object or the plates on some sort of arm
[01:04] <Laurenceb> so you change the attitude of the object relative to the plates
[01:04] <Laurenceb> rather than using seperate plates
[01:05] <SpeedEvil> natrium42: they are made for capacitive touchpads
[01:07] <natrium42> yay, balloons shipping tomorrow
[01:07] <natrium42> it's all working out :)
[01:07] <natrium42> sYx66, soo... coming to buffalo on thursday?
[01:08] <sYx66> are we doing the hotel thing?
[01:09] <natrium42> no, i put my address as a hotel
[01:09] <natrium42> but i will request fedex to hold the package at their location once it's shipped
[01:10] <natrium42> "If/when you get tired of zero pressure gas balloons, consider solar:
[01:10] <natrium42> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQfRX3pFnV0
[01:10] <natrium42> Solar balloons are a good notch trickier to launch than a small TA gas balloon (requires lower surface winds, requires sunshine), but you loose the requirement to buy and transport a heavy helium cylinder. If you've wanted a reason to travel to Resolute Bay in the Canadian Arctic, a super long endurance solar balloon mission conducted near summer solstice would be a great reason. "
[01:10] <natrium42> :D
[01:11] <Laurenceb> not as cool as MIR
[01:13] <sYx66> is it just hot air?
[01:13] <Laurenceb> no
[01:13] <Laurenceb> its heated by infrared from the earths surface
[01:14] <Laurenceb> but it needs to be about 10m diameter to work
[01:15] <sYx66> couldn't they preheat the air to get a faster launch?
[01:15] <natrium42> Laurenceb is talking about MIR
[01:15] <Laurenceb> you launch using helium
[01:15] <sYx66> oh im talking about the youtube
[01:15] <Laurenceb> then it flies using infrared
[01:15] <natrium42> that video was of a balloon with air heated by the sun
[01:15] <Laurenceb> yeah
[01:15] <SpeedEvil> Radio 4 at the moment. Worth a listen again. A new factory in china making cars completely from scratch using LiFePO4. Company made their fortune in phone battery.
[01:16] <sYx66> so my point holds :D
[01:16] <SpeedEvil> They make all but the tyres and windscreens.
[01:17] <sYx66> hehe there's "solar worm" video
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[01:23] <akawaka> http://www.ussc.com/~turner/qrss1.html
[01:24] <Laurenceb> actually if you used 10um polythene and had some tronics weighing <200grams you may be able to get a MIR balloon of radius ~5m to work
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[01:28] <Laurenceb> you'd need some sort of absorber across the middle
[01:28] <Laurenceb> maybe some mylar
[01:30] <shellevil> top half silvered mylar?
[01:30] <Laurenceb> hmm
[01:30] <Laurenceb> maybe silvered mylar across the middle
[01:31] <Laurenceb> alu side up
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[06:49] <sYx66> http://i43.tinypic.com/f5d6u.jpg
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[06:57] <natrium42> monorail leopard
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[08:08] <jcoxon> morning all
[08:13] <jcoxon> natrium, have you seen energy harvesting modules?
[08:13] <jcoxon> http://www.rapidonline.com/Electronic-Components/Integrated-Circuits/Energy-Harvesting-Modules/EPAD-Energy-Harvesting-modules/81573
[08:13] <jcoxon> could really help with low power mode
[08:14] <jcoxon> single solar panel to grab some sunlight
[08:15] <natrium42> hmm
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[08:17] <jcoxon> oh good work on sorting our shipping on the balloons
[08:17] <jcoxon> i've invited mark to the malling list
[08:17] <natrium42> thx
[08:17] <natrium42> ok
[08:17] <natrium42> good
[08:18] <natrium42> batteries should last long enough
[08:18] <jcoxon> okay
[08:18] <natrium42> but it might be worth looking into alternate energy source if there's time
[08:18] <jcoxon> also should we add a 10mW 434 transmitter
[08:18] <jcoxon> as when we reach the uk HF will be a bad idea
[08:19] <natrium42> it's up to you
[08:19] <jcoxon> it might be best - at least an attempt to comply with the rules
[08:19] <natrium42> are we gong for automated cutdown?
[08:19] <natrium42> *going
[08:19] <jcoxon> i'm not sure
[08:20] <jcoxon> it would mean that we still have a rogue balloon flying around
[08:20] <jcoxon> at least if the payload is still attached it'll bring the balloon down earlier
[08:21] <jcoxon> but then i'm not sure if the payload would survive floating on the sea if it had a half inflated balloon still attached
[08:21] <jcoxon> while if it cut down it would splash down and happily float and then if relatively nearby we could retrieve it
[08:22] <natrium42> i think the balloon will deflate quickly if payload is dropped
[08:22] <natrium42> since it will turn upside down easier
[08:23] <natrium42> and lose the gas
[08:23] <natrium42> maybe mark has some ideas
[08:23] <jcoxon> yeah
[08:24] <natrium42> well, it's past bedtime again
[08:24] <jcoxon> it certainly would rise quite high, lose its helium and crash the next day
[08:24] <jcoxon> np
[08:24] <jcoxon> i've only just woken up
[08:24] <natrium42> hehe
[08:24] <natrium42> it's 3 am here
[08:24] <natrium42> btw, with iridium we can command cutdown
[08:25] <jcoxon> yeah that would work
[08:25] <jcoxon> i'm tempted to say no on this flight
[08:25] <natrium42> first flight doesn't have uplink to the balloon
[08:26] <natrium42> unless steve can add a HF receiver :)
[08:26] <natrium42> but it's possible to add vector maps for cutdown
[08:26] <natrium42> anyway, g'nite
[08:27] <jcoxon> night
[08:43] <jcoxon> :-D from today until the 2nd March all the flights would make it to europe ;-p
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[11:17] <jcoxon> hey Laurenceb did you get my mailing list invite?
[11:17] <Laurenceb> just a sec
[11:17] <Laurenceb> yeah
[11:17] <Laurenceb> thanks
[11:18] <jcoxon> cool
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[11:55] <SpeedEvil> balloon on long water soluble line?
[11:55] <SpeedEvil> oh - it's not stratospheric
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[16:52] <Laurenceb> hi folks
[16:54] <Laurenceb> anyone launching soon?
[17:00] <rjharrison> Me
[17:00] <Laurenceb> cool
[17:00] <rjharrison> As soon as the weasther is good
[17:00] <Laurenceb> yeah
[17:00] <Laurenceb> so maybe next weekend?
[17:01] <Laurenceb> what are you launching?
[17:01] <rjharrison> Been waiting for 3 weeks already
[17:01] <rjharrison> cam, tx & rx + tmp sensors
[17:01] <Laurenceb> what radio TX do you have?
[17:01] <rjharrison> 434.075 radiometrix 10mW
[17:01] <Laurenceb> hmf same as the rogallo
[17:02] <rjharrison> rx is on 169.4 ish
[17:02] <Laurenceb> you have an onboard rx ?
[17:02] <rjharrison> yep :)
[17:02] <Laurenceb> it would interfere with the rogallo :-/
[17:02] <rjharrison> the rx?
[17:02] <Laurenceb> was going to ask if I could sling the rog on the bottom
[17:02] <rjharrison> or the tx?
[17:02] <Laurenceb> but never mind
[17:02] <Laurenceb> the tx
[17:03] <rjharrison> yep :(
[17:03] <Laurenceb> it might just miss
[17:03] <Laurenceb> RTTY 50 baud?
[17:03] <Laurenceb> whats the swing?
[17:03] <rjharrison> yep :)
[17:04] <rjharrison> Bit too risky for my liking
[17:04] <Laurenceb> yeah
[17:04] <Laurenceb> they will tend to drift
[17:04] <rjharrison> Yep
[17:04] <rjharrison> the rx is on FM sould should be better
[17:04] <Laurenceb> so it may well be ok on the ground but it could screw up later
[17:05] <rjharrison> yep the rx is part of the test for JC competition
[17:05] <Laurenceb> well we could do sperate launches
[17:05] <rjharrison> yep
[17:05] <Laurenceb> my flight will take < 2 hours
[17:05] <rjharrison> I can do early or late
[17:05] <Laurenceb> so it may be poss on the same day
[17:05] <rjharrison> Is next w/e looking good
[17:05] <rjharrison> ?
[17:06] <Laurenceb> the forecast wont be any good
[17:06] <rjharrison> JC tell me that the w/e is out. But i'm happy to change plans if the wx take a turn for the better
[17:06] <Laurenceb> hmm
[17:07] <Laurenceb> yeah not sure if I could make this weekend
[17:07] <Laurenceb> would have to boook a train for a start
[17:08] <rjharrison> Right I have to collect kid so must dash
[17:08] <rjharrison> will chat later if you are arround.
[17:08] <rjharrison> I guess you are ready to launch too then
[17:08] <rjharrison> What are you sending up?
[17:08] <Laurenceb> pretty much
[17:08] <Laurenceb> rogallo
[17:09] <rjharrison> is there a link>
[17:09] <rjharrison> ?
[17:09] <Laurenceb> http://wiki.ukhas.org.uk/projects:parafoil_avr
[17:09] <rjharrison> hehe cool
[17:10] <rjharrison> That looks like fun
[17:10] <rjharrison> I'd like to see that go up. What sort of alt are you expecting?
[17:10] <rjharrison> 30K?
[17:10] <Laurenceb> 10km
[17:10] <Laurenceb> dont want to go too high
[17:10] <rjharrison> true
[17:10] <rjharrison> okmlaters
[17:10] <Laurenceb> as the control loop doesnt adjust with altitude
[17:10] <rjharrison> must go
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[17:11] <Laurenceb> I'm not sure how do do that atm
[17:15] <Laurenceb> the page is a huge mess
[17:15] <Laurenceb> I willg et round to organising it a bit at some point
[17:35] <SpeedEvil> Random plug. http://www.tiddlywiki.com/
[17:35] <SpeedEvil> javascript wiki
[17:35] <SpeedEvil> file->save-as, and you've got a local wiki
[17:36] Action: SpeedEvil finds it handy.
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[18:03] <Laurenceb> cya all
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[19:09] <Laurenceb> HELLO
[19:09] <jcoxon> hello laurence
[19:11] <Laurenceb> my phd is too complicated :-/
[19:12] <Laurenceb> - not technically - "politically"
[19:13] <Laurenceb> different funding agencies, project aims ect...
[19:13] <Laurenceb> meh
[19:14] <Laurenceb> IMO your much better at a university
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[19:23] <natrium42> hi RocketBoy
[19:40] <jcoxon> hey natrium42
[19:40] <natrium42> yo jcoxon
[19:43] <jcoxon> hey
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[19:43] <jcoxon> Halo - Atlantic?
[19:43] <natrium42> not so sure about using halo
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[19:46] <jcoxon> hmmm i'll keep thinking
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[20:27] <SpeedEvil> At least here - seeing the comet looks plausible tonight.
[20:28] <jcoxon> how about Zephyrus
[20:29] <jcoxon> that was the greek god of the west wind
[20:29] <SpeedEvil> Flatulus - the greek god of the south wind.
[20:40] <jcoxon> or Aether - deity of the upper air
[20:43] <RocketBoy> Elphaba - the Wicked Witch of the West
[20:46] <jcoxon> RocketBoy, positive thoughts!
[20:46] <natrium42> zephyr is quite good
[20:46] <natrium42> aether -- no idea how to pronounce that
[20:46] <jcoxon> ignore the a
[20:47] <jcoxon> so its 'ether'
[20:47] <jcoxon> as in the chemical
[20:47] <RocketBoy> it depends on how you view thw word wicked - as in cool
[20:47] <jcoxon> hehe
[20:47] <RocketBoy> (although a bit dated)
[20:48] <Laurenceb> hehe
[20:48] <jcoxon> or we could make a list of names and use them
[20:48] <jcoxon> instead of 1,2,3
[20:48] <jcoxon> and then have a 'program' name
[20:50] <natrium42> flairlines
[20:50] <natrium42> oh wait http://www.flairair.ca/
[20:51] <natrium42> lighterthanairlines
[20:51] <jcoxon> hehe
[20:54] <natrium42> Spirit of #highaltitude
[20:54] <jcoxon> hehe, slightly cutting
[20:54] <natrium42> see, i told you i got nothin'
[20:54] <natrium42> :)
[20:55] <jcoxon> i really like the idea of having names such as zephrus and elphaba
[20:56] <Laurenceb> http://www.parallax.com/tabid/701/Default.aspx
[20:59] <natrium42> haha
[21:02] Action: SpeedEvil ponders alternative theologies.
[21:02] <SpeedEvil> 'Anoia'
[21:02] <natrium42> annoya
[21:02] <natrium42> :P
[21:02] <SpeedEvil> The minor goddess of Things That Stick in Drawers, Anoia is praised by rattling a drawer and crying "How can it close on the damned thing but not open with it? Who bought this? Do we ever use it?"
[21:03] <Laurenceb> AD7746fria
[21:03] <natrium42> haha
[21:03] <natrium42> The Laurence
[21:04] <SpeedEvil> Oooh.
[21:04] <SpeedEvil> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discworld_gods#Zephyrus
[21:05] <natrium42> [15:28] <jcoxon> how about Zephyrus
[21:05] <jcoxon> SpeedEvil, yeah "The God of Slight Breezes."
[21:09] <SpeedEvil> :)
[21:09] <natrium42> The SpeedEvil
[21:09] <natrium42> we will need speedy winds
[21:10] <jcoxon> natrium42, have you seen the latest forecasts
[21:10] <jcoxon> we are going through an amazing period
[21:10] <Laurenceb> bbl
[21:11] <natrium42> too bad payload is not ready
[21:11] <natrium42> :/
[21:12] <jcoxon> oh well, another window will come round soon
[21:13] <SpeedEvil> Xhale!
[21:17] <SpeedEvil> windburn
[21:19] <SpeedEvil> Aha!
[21:19] <SpeedEvil> It's online. it's spherical, it's regularly updated. Clearly it's the blogospher.
[21:19] <jcoxon> oh cory doctrow would love that
[21:19] <jcoxon> boing boing would go nuts
[21:27] Action: SpeedEvil wonders if you could get xkcd interested
[21:27] <jcoxon> yeah
[21:28] <jcoxon> jsut trying to find the cartoon of his balloon
[21:28] <jcoxon> http://xkcd.com/345/
[21:29] <SpeedEvil> http://xkcd.com/407/ http://xkcd.com/497/
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[21:31] <jcoxon> UKHAS Trans-A "Zephyrus"
[22:03] <shellevil> ukhas.com is free ATM
[22:13] <natrium42> haha, blogosphere
[22:15] <jcoxon> natrium42, how about 'UKHAS Trans-A "Zephyrus"'
[22:15] <jcoxon> and then UKHAS Trans-A "****"
[22:16] <natrium42> hmm, does it have to contain UK? since it's intenational
[22:16] <jcoxon> yeah thats true
[22:16] <jcoxon> #HA Trans-A
[22:17] <natrium42> that's quite good
[22:17] <natrium42> :)
[22:18] <natrium42> i like Zephyrus too
[22:18] <natrium42> we can also use the short form Zephyr instead
[22:19] <natrium42> bah, finally --> http://boxoh.com/?t=791212454130
[22:20] <natrium42> now i try redirecting it...
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[22:24] <natrium42> TransHAB
[22:24] <natrium42> NASA didn't launch theirs, so... :P
[22:30] <jcoxon> TAB "Zephrus"
[22:30] <jcoxon> TAB - Trans Alantic Balloon
[22:30] <natrium42> TransAHAB
[22:30] <natrium42> hmm
[22:35] <natrium42> ZephyruZ -- more l33t
[22:39] <jcoxon> hehe
[22:56] <jcoxon> hmmm would like to get the name sorted as getting a site + wiki up would be a great start
[23:00] <RocketBoy> I liked Atlantic halo
[23:01] <jcoxon> RocketBoy, got the solenoid in the post - thanks
[23:01] <RocketBoy> np
[23:02] <RocketBoy> worked ok on 4v for me
[23:06] <jcoxon> Atlantic Halo "Zephyr"
[23:07] <RocketBoy> nights
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[23:11] <Laurenceb> http://hackaday.com/2009/02/19/bristle-bot-controversy/
[23:11] <Laurenceb> I love that
[23:12] <Laurenceb> what did they expect?! anyway its a motor on the end of a toothbrush ffs
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[23:33] <natrium42> atlantic halo is not that bad, actually
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