highaltitude.log.20081221

[00:00] <fergusnoble_> erm, i cant remember
[00:00] <rjharrison> wow
[00:00] <fergusnoble_> can you check any of the logs, i think i put in the 0
[00:00] <rjharrison> You are awake
[00:01] <rjharrison> I'm just parsing some of your data you sent out from the teddyboy lauch :)
[00:02] <rjharrison> Not sure if it's corruption, actually it appears that all leading zeros are removed
[00:02] <rjharrison> Perhaps a bit over zellous on the time
[00:02] <fergusnoble_> ok, that sucks, ill change that for the next launch
[00:03] <fergusnoble_> might be the printf im using
[00:04] <rjharrison> fergusnoble_ you seem to be the man for the CUSF data strings would you be up for a fixed format in the future with excess data shoved on the end of the sentance.
[00:04] <rjharrison> edmoore mentioned this a while back
[00:04] <fergusnoble_> hey! i suggested it :p
[00:05] <edmoore> james has been pinging us for years
[00:05] <edmoore> didn't we come up with one?
[00:05] <rjharrison> jcoxon and I are writing a distributed logger ATM and it would be easier (less config files) if we all agreed on the basic structure of a sentence
[00:05] <edmoore> we def had this conversation
[00:05] <fergusnoble_> yeah, i have discussed it with all three of you before im sure
[00:06] <rjharrison> Well I have promised to have the rudimentary logging in place befor he gets back
[00:06] <fergusnoble_> i think we said $$callsign,ticks,hh:mm:ss,lat,lng,alt,other stuff
[00:06] <edmoore> that was it
[00:06] <fergusnoble_> ticks being seconds since some epoch, i.e. launch or last reset
[00:06] <fergusnoble_> (hopefully the same time)
[00:07] <rjharrison> Would you mind awfully if ticks slipped in after alt?
[00:07] <Laurenceb> back
[00:07] <fergusnoble_> not at all
[00:07] <Laurenceb> wickerwaka: have you used fldigi ?
[00:07] <edmoore> it does make a bit less sense...
[00:07] <Laurenceb> fergus: dont forget a checksum?
[00:07] <rjharrison> I like time as the constanct but go on convinve me that ticks should come first
[00:08] <fergusnoble_> Laurenceb: i think the consensus was to put that in the other stuff if you want it
[00:08] <edmoore> Laurenceb: the concensus was to keep the (technical know how) price of admission to this scheme as low as possible
[00:08] <Laurenceb> got it
[00:09] <fergusnoble_> rjharrison: my reason was for if the gps looses its fix for whatever reason then the strings still have a unique stamp
[00:09] <edmoore> so checksums and error correction bits and stuff can all go in 'other' for more advanced interpreters to do with as they please
[00:09] <Laurenceb> I never really bother with ticks
[00:09] <Laurenceb> personally
[00:09] <edmoore> it helps because UTC time can sometimes freeze]
[00:09] <edmoore> or at least, if it does freeze you know something is up
[00:09] <Laurenceb> lol
[00:10] <rjharrison> Good argument, almost convinced of it's priority
[00:10] <fergusnoble_> also with that and some later time reading you can work out the time of a string with no gps time
[00:10] <edmoore> i think some GPS units just repeat the last good fix foreverandever
[00:10] <Laurenceb> yeah
[00:10] <rjharrison> LASSEN
[00:10] <Laurenceb> ftw
[00:10] <Laurenceb> :P
[00:10] <edmoore> ft-2nd-place
[00:10] <fergusnoble_> also, easier to use in a program to index a message
[00:10] <fergusnoble_> and finally, allows you to see more easily if youve lost a message
[00:11] <rjharrison> I can log the following userid,
[00:11] <rjharrison> objectid,
[00:11] <rjharrison> time,
[00:11] <rjharrison> latitude,
[00:11] <rjharrison> longitude,
[00:11] <rjharrison> altitude,
[00:11] <rjharrison> speed,
[00:11] <rjharrison> bearing,
[00:11] <rjharrison> temp_int,
[00:11] <rjharrison> temp_ext,
[00:11] <Laurenceb> I need some sort of gui for the mini rogallo
[00:11] <rjharrison> temp_cam,
[00:11] <rjharrison> baro_pressure,
[00:11] <Laurenceb> ok
[00:11] <rjharrison> cyclecount,
[00:11] <rjharrison> checksum,
[00:11] <Laurenceb> no floodz
[00:11] <rjharrison> ipaddress,
[00:11] <Laurenceb> pls
[00:11] <rjharrison> sorry
[00:11] <Laurenceb> :P
[00:11] <Laurenceb> ues ,
[00:12] <fergusnoble_> i guess almost all of use will upgrade to have temp, bearing, speed so maybe we should standardise the order of those as a kind of "packet+" format
[00:12] <fergusnoble_> *us
[00:12] <rjharrison> Am I missing any glaring holes
[00:12] <fergusnoble_> an optional extension
[00:12] <edmoore> well, the way they normally do this is to macke the first bytle of 'blah' and announcement that you are upgrading to packet+
[00:12] <fergusnoble_> erm, no looks good
[00:13] <fergusnoble_> but whats with ipaddress?!
[00:13] <fergusnoble_> also could cycle count be derived from ticks?
[00:13] <rjharrison> haha that is where the info is been sent from
[00:13] <rjharrison> Ie if I log the packet it gets my UserID and IPADDRESS
[00:14] <fergusnoble_> oh i see, not for the balloon
[00:14] <edmoore> packet++ standard deviations on the max inclination in each axis as a metric for how rogh the ride is
[00:14] <rjharrison> TWO or more identical sentances from the loggers = sucess and it appears on natrium42's map
[00:15] <edmoore> what if there's only one logger?
[00:15] <edmoore> i think a valid checksum should also be... valid
[00:15] <rjharrison> When we get clever we may even try to use tree people to tidy up the data.
[00:16] <rjharrison> If you're that unpopular that you only get one logger then it can me set that any apparently valid sentance is logged without the comparison.
[00:16] <edmoore> we can certainly use 3 'error' reports to make a good guess at the original
[00:16] <edmoore> there will always be a good single one, I think
[00:17] <edmoore> james sitting in ipswitch will always have a nice view of cam-launch balloons
[00:17] <edmoore> hence the price of admission to the server could perhaps be a valid checksum if it's from a single source
[00:17] <rjharrison> Well there will be some reliability scoring at some point but I'm just at the begining at the moment
[00:18] <edmoore> yeah - this is all details
[00:18] <edmoore> conceptually it all sounds gravy
[00:18] <edmoore> what language is the clinet side stuff?
[00:18] <rjharrison> jcoxons PYTHON script argh!
[00:18] <edmoore> or is it up to the user to write a wee script to email strings
[00:19] <rjharrison> Uses HTML post atm
[00:19] <rjharrison> PHP on the server side
[00:19] <Laurenceb> the mini rogallo atm is "UKHAS<,latitude,longitude,altitude,number of sats,gps heading, target, filtered headings and turn rates, voltage, temperature, checksum
[00:20] <rjharrison> No time?
[00:20] <edmoore> it's Laurenceb, not ukhas :p
[00:20] <Laurenceb> lol
[00:20] <edmoore> we're basically designing our own low-power aprs
[00:20] <rjharrison> Yep
[00:20] <Laurenceb> the 6th char is >,< or _
[00:20] <Laurenceb> for up, down or landed
[00:21] <Laurenceb> whats the easiest way to make a simple gui?
[00:21] <rjharrison> Nice I like that
[00:21] <rjharrison> curses
[00:21] <edmoore> Laurenceb: what platform?
[00:21] <Laurenceb> I'm thinking just some dials
[00:21] <Laurenceb> ubuntu
[00:21] <Laurenceb> or maybe xp
[00:21] <Laurenceb> ewww
[00:21] Action: Laurenceb sucks at gui
[00:22] <edmoore> wxpython maybe. not really my area
[00:22] <rjharrison> me neither
[00:22] <Laurenceb> gnuplot :P
[00:23] <Laurenceb> might just do that as I'm lazy
[00:23] <rjharrison> I'm taking ticks and cycle_count to be one and the same
[00:23] <Laurenceb> ah well I'd better be off
[00:23] <Laurenceb> cya all
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[00:23] <rjharrison> nights
[00:23] <fergusnoble_> someone want to start putting thin on the ukhas wiki?
[00:23] <fergusnoble_> *this
[00:23] <rjharrison> Yep OK
[00:27] <fergusnoble_> gah, the instructions for this coursework say plot the graph and note the point where something unexpected happens
[00:27] <fergusnoble_> plot the graph... basically featureless
[00:27] <fergusnoble_> :(
[00:28] <edmoore> what's it of?
[00:28] <fergusnoble_> finding the instability point of the euler method as step size increases
[00:29] <fergusnoble_> graph of x against error in result
[00:29] <fergusnoble_> oh shizzle, think im plotting the wrong x
[00:29] <fergusnoble_> hehe, sometimes its good just to say it outloud
[00:37] <rjharrison> measurement for baro pressure? KPa?
[00:37] <rjharrison> millibars
[00:40] <rjharrison> hectopascal's apparently
[00:41] <rjharrison> = 1 millibar
[00:41] <edmoore> probs milibar
[00:41] <edmoore> let me check
[00:43] <fergusnoble_> hPa = mb
[00:46] <edmoore> mmm millibar
[00:47] <rjharrison> Nights guys
[00:47] <rjharrison> I'm knackered
[00:48] <edmoore> cya l8s
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[01:15] <edmoore> fergusnoble_: for the sake of parts choice and availability, are screw terminal blocks live-with-able?
[01:15] <edmoore> as opposed to spring
[01:15] <fergusnoble_> dont mind really i guess
[01:15] <edmoore> we can put springies on daughter
[01:15] <fergusnoble_> i thought you and james were keen for spring after many times getting annoyed with screws
[01:16] <fergusnoble_> ok, im finished work
[01:16] <edmoore> indeed, but there don't exist springs at the pitch i'm after, as far as i can see
[01:17] <fergusnoble_> what pitch?
[01:17] <edmoore> 3.5mm
[01:17] <fergusnoble_> whats wrong with the usual ones? too big?
[01:17] <edmoore> well they exist, a google shows that/ just from a farnell/rapid/digikey POV...
[01:18] <edmoore> anyway these ones are nice, have used them before. 6A, which is good
[01:19] <fergusnoble_> what do you mean?
[01:19] <fergusnoble_> 3.5mm spring ones exist?
[01:19] <fergusnoble_> which ones are nice?
[01:20] <edmoore> the screw ones
[01:20] <edmoore> the ones rapid sell - used them for robot wars once. decent quality
[01:20] <fergusnoble_> the green ones?
[01:20] <edmoore> yeah
[01:21] <fergusnoble_> ok, cool
[01:21] <edmoore> hrmm, springs to actually make sense
[01:21] <edmoore> will keep looking
[01:21] <fergusnoble_> but you need to cut down on the pronouns :p
[01:21] <fergusnoble_> whats wrong with the orange spring ones?
[01:23] <edmoore> 5mm pitch - bit large
[01:23] <edmoore> snot yet crucial though, i grant you
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[09:13] <mc-> jcoxon, I see you're still in norway, seen the lights?
[09:18] <natrium42> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthpicturegalleries/3852022/Aurora-borealis-in-pictures.html
[09:19] <jcoxon> hey mc-
[09:19] <jcoxon> no lights
[09:19] <jcoxon> :-(
[09:19] <jcoxon> i've resigned myself to the fact that they probably won't appear
[09:19] <jcoxon> activity isn't great, nor the weather
[09:20] <jcoxon> of course the forecast is good for the day after we leave
[09:22] <natrium42> jcoxon, when do you return?
[09:23] <jcoxon> leave here tomorrow
[09:23] <jcoxon> back in hte UK tues
[09:23] <natrium42> aah, cool
[09:24] <natrium42> i need the gm862-gps module :)
[09:24] <jcoxon> oh okay!
[09:24] <mc-> bad luck..if it's any consolation, when I saw them they weren't very impressive, nothing like the pictures.
[09:24] <jcoxon> i don't think you want the old one, it had a few issues, which meant i opened it up
[09:25] <jcoxon> natrium42, shall i order you a new one?
[09:25] <jcoxon> mc-, yeah -i'll just have to come agan one day
[09:25] <jcoxon> we've done lots of other things
[09:25] <jcoxon> going dog sledding tonight
[09:25] <mc-> natrium, did you ever get the GSM module I sent you working?
[09:25] <natrium42> jcoxon, sure, that works too
[09:26] <natrium42> mc-, i haven't done much with it, i am afraid
[09:26] <natrium42> do you want it back?
[09:26] <jcoxon> natrium42, or i could paypal hte money to you
[09:26] <natrium42> the gm862-gps is tested and proven, so i plan to use it as a backup on satphone test flight
[09:26] <natrium42> jcoxon, oh okay
[09:26] <natrium42> alexei@karpenko.ca
[09:26] <jcoxon> combien?
[09:26] <mc-> how about, I solder it onto a PCB with a GPS, and send it back to you?
[09:27] <jcoxon> sparkfun say 159 dollars
[09:27] <natrium42> sounds good, that's where i intend to order :)
[09:27] <natrium42> mc-, you already did that
[09:28] <natrium42> it has both sim slot and gps module
[09:28] <mc-> perhaps I didn't include a PIC, so you have a complete working system?
[09:28] <natrium42> yeah
[09:28] <natrium42> i would need a micro
[09:29] <mc-> if you send something to jcoxon, put my module in the package, and I'll get it sometime.
[09:29] <natrium42> i have a few atmels
[09:29] <natrium42> alright
[09:30] <natrium42> i can send it directly too, only $7
[09:31] <mc-> $7 is good. I've got a 10MHz radio transmitter built as well, need to test it with a GPS.
[09:32] <natrium42> kk
[09:37] <natrium42> bed time, 4:37am
[09:37] <natrium42> nite all
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[09:38] <jcoxon> natrium42,
[09:38] <jcoxon> nooooo
[09:39] <jcoxon> oh well
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[11:08] <jcoxon> dum dee dum dum
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[11:37] <jcoxon> morning G8KHW
[11:41] <G8KHW> yo all
[11:42] <EI5GTB> morning
[11:42] <EI5GTB> you5 59 today, booming signal
[11:42] <EI5GTB> ;)
[11:42] <jcoxon> hehe
[11:42] <G8KHW> CQ CQ
[11:43] <EI5GTB> G8KHW, DE ei5gtb K
[11:43] <jcoxon> hmmmho
[11:43] Nick change: jcoxon -> M6JCX
[11:44] <M6JCX> happy now?
[11:44] <EI5GTB> :D
[11:44] <EI5GTB> yey!
[11:44] <EI5GTB> de EI5GTB in the group :P
[11:44] Nick change: Hiena -> HA4PIR
[11:44] <EI5GTB> haha
[11:45] Action: EI5GTB pokes others to get their calls out!
[11:46] <G8KHW> that would be QRZ
[11:46] <EI5GTB> HA4PIR, your hungarian?
[11:46] <EI5GTB> heh, only QRZ if someone was calling you :P
[11:47] <M6JCX> phew, my flickr pro account expired and all my pics disappeared, but if you renew they still have everything
[11:47] <M6JCX> scared me slightly
[11:47] <EI5GTB> as it would
[11:48] <G8KHW> woo whats the expiry period?
[11:48] <M6JCX> my account was a year
[11:48] <M6JCX> didn't remind me to renew
[11:48] <M6JCX> just logged in
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[11:49] <G8KHW> yo ed
[11:49] <edmoore> morning Steve!
[11:49] <edmoore> all well?
[11:50] <G8KHW> yep - we all seem to be using our ham radio calls as nicks this morning
[11:51] <edmoore> who is HA4PIR?
[11:51] <EI5GTB> Hiena
[11:52] <edmoore> col
[11:52] <edmoore> cool*
[11:52] <edmoore> ok well
[11:52] <edmoore> seeing as it's Christmas
[11:52] <HA4PIR> I was a pirate station operator 10 years ago.
[11:52] <edmoore> I can't change my nick for some reason
[11:53] <edmoore> i have an erroneous nickname
[11:53] <edmoore> what on earth!?
[11:53] Nick change: edmoore -> _2E0EDM_
[11:53] <EI5GTB> ah, it starts with a number?
[11:53] <_2E0EDM_> yep
[11:53] <EI5GTB> could that be the problem?
[11:53] <_2E0EDM_> i hope I've passed my full license, that's all I can say
[11:53] <_2E0EDM_> I don't hear for another week or so
[11:54] <EI5GTB> ooh, you dont the test?
[11:54] <_2E0EDM_> Did it a couple of weeks back, yep
[11:54] Action: G8KHW blushes to admit that he was prosecuted for transmitting without a licence once
[11:54] <EI5GTB> orly?
[11:54] <M6JCX> tut tut
[11:54] <_2E0EDM_> Steve's a pirate!!
[11:55] <G8KHW> I still don't know if I have a criminal record as a result
[11:55] <EI5GTB> heh
[11:56] Nick change: _2E0EDM_ -> _2E0EDM
[11:56] <M6JCX> you can ask the police to check for you
[11:56] <G8KHW> Best not to ask I think
[11:56] <M6JCX> hehe
[11:57] <M6JCX> i have to do it all the time to prove i'm not a criminal
[11:57] <EI5GTB> heh
[11:57] <_2E0EDM> They obviously don't beleive you
[11:57] <G8KHW> I think it was in the days when TX without a licence was a civil offence
[11:58] Nick change: M6JCX -> LA
[11:58] <LA> ooops
[11:58] Nick change: LA -> LA_M6JCX
[11:59] <LA_M6JCX> that said i wouldn't actually be able to transmit here
[12:00] <_2E0EDM> you need to carry on through the exams LA_M6JCX!
[12:00] <G8KHW> I got a reciprical licence for when I toured Germany
[12:00] <LA_M6JCX> nah, i haven't even got a 2m radio
[12:01] <G8KHW> the locals were falling over themselves to work me
[12:01] <_2E0EDM> take that one out of context...
[12:02] <EI5GTB> ha
[12:02] <_2E0EDM> I remember during our exam practicals, as soon as we were doing HF to the US and having a preplanned conversation with someone in kentucky, like flies to a turn the whole world started trying to work G6UW
[12:02] <_2E0EDM> flies to a turd*
[12:03] Action: G8KHW has also been GM8KHW and GD8KHW
[12:03] <_2E0EDM> right, lunch time!
[12:03] <_2E0EDM> catch you all later
[12:04] Action: G8KHW was also G6AMF - back when they gave you a seperate licence for TV transmissions
[12:04] <HA4PIR> Ohhh...SSTV... good old days.
[12:05] <EI5GTB> fstv?
[12:05] <HA4PIR> Slow scanline TV. Thought never finished my receiver.
[12:06] <G8KHW> yep - 450W of vestigial sideband on 70cms into a 46ele yagi - more ERP than crystal palace
[12:07] <EI5GTB> hehe
[12:07] <HA4PIR> :)
[12:08] <HA4PIR> My last HAM activity was a async. data communication in 32-36kHz. Avesome how long connections possible to made with a few watt power.
[12:09] Nick change: LA_M6JCX -> jcoxon
[12:10] <G8KHW> whay do you use as an antenna on 32kHz
[12:10] <G8KHW> what
[12:10] <G8KHW> ?
[12:12] <HA4PIR> Wire.
[12:12] <HA4PIR> Lots of wire.
[12:12] <HA4PIR> Mine was 300m long.
[12:12] <HA4PIR> My pals had 800m long.
[12:14] <G8KHW> a quater wave is 2.3Km?
[12:15] <jcoxon> bbl
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[12:15] <HA4PIR> Yup. With about 5-10W RF stage and few hundredth mW output power, I could make a clear 480-1200Baud connection to 80 km.
[12:16] <HA4PIR> The output power indicator was bicycle bulb. But i never managed to make it full light.
[12:16] <G8KHW> yeah - free space path loss is like nothing at that frequency
[12:19] <HA4PIR> Some guys done 400 km DX with only 14mW antenna power at the same frequency.
[12:20] <HA4PIR> And that was a same reason, why i suggested to use such low frequency for a HAB telemetry transmission.
[12:21] <G8KHW> it would need to trail a lot of wire - possible though
[12:22] <HA4PIR> A few hundredth meter thin wire from a relay adds only a few gramm extra weight, and such transmitter requires less parts and power.
[12:23] <HA4PIR> Even a uC could generate such frequency, so it's ideal as emegrency beacon.
[12:27] <G8KHW> its certainly worth a try
[12:28] <HA4PIR> Also with such long wire, possible to make a megnetic field experiments with a simple 0-10Hz low pass filter. Avesome, when you could see the "hearthbeats" of the earth.
[12:28] <HA4PIR> Or just listening the sound of the winds.
[12:31] <G8KHW> yep that would be interesting
[12:32] <HA4PIR> When the wire is wibbles it's inducing a low frequency voltage. Adding a low pass filters and an amplifire, generate a strange humms.
[12:36] <G8KHW> sounds like you have been listening to I have been known to Whistlers
[12:37] <G8KHW> sorry - sounds like you have been listening to Whistlers
[12:40] <HA4PIR> Whistlers?
[12:40] <gordonjcp> HA4PIR: funny, I was just thinking about sferics last night
[12:42] <gordonjcp> HA4PIR: http://spaceweather.com/glossary/inspire.html
[12:42] <gordonjcp> basically loud broad band pulses of noise from lightning strikes get delayed
[12:42] <gordonjcp> higher frequencies travel faster than lower frequencies in the ionosphere, apparently
[13:02] <HA4PIR> Oh, well... What i heard is rather a low pitched humm, far deeper than the 50Hz.
[13:03] <HA4PIR> My sister said, not to listen it too long, or it'll melt my brain.
[13:04] <HA4PIR> I always wanted a - 90 dB 50Hz band filter with a Q=10.
[13:09] <G8KHW> BBL
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[19:06] <SpeedEvil> Random: http://www.cree.com/products/xlamp_xpe.asp
[19:06] <SpeedEvil> bright LED sample.
[19:06] <SpeedEvil> 3.5mm*3.5mm 200lm (@700mA), about as bright as a 20W halogen.
[19:07] <SpeedEvil> well - 15 maybe
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[20:10] <gordonjcp> ice
[20:10] <gordonjcp> nice, even
[20:12] <natrium42> i need the jcoxon :S
[20:13] <natrium42> reboot
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[20:20] <natrium42> back
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[20:28] <natrium42> hi rjharrison
[20:28] Action: natrium42 decided to install openembedded on his gumstix
[20:33] <rjharrison> hey cool let me know how you get on
[20:33] <natrium42> sure
[20:33] <natrium42> i got tired of uclibc hell
[20:34] <natrium42> glibc should be much better
[20:34] <rjharrison> I gave up on open embedded. My gumstix is now bedded in it's box
[20:34] <natrium42> hehe
[20:34] <rjharrison> I will play again when HAB calls for it
[20:34] <rjharrison> Untill then I love you AVR
[20:35] <natrium42> "Note: If you are using an Ubuntu distribution, it is likely that /bin/sh is linked to /bin/dash. If this is the case, then you will need to change /bin/sh to link to /bin/bash. Neglecting to do this will cause file corruption and your build image will not boot! Run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure dash" and answer no when asked whether you want to install dash as /bin/sh. "
[20:35] <natrium42> does that apply to you?
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[20:44] <rjharrison> No I got it working ie building basic apps
[20:45] <rjharrison> But i couldn't work out how to compile libraries and link them in
[20:45] <rjharrison> I'll let you play for a bit and then come back for a few answers when you're a pro
[20:45] <rjharrison> :0
[20:45] <rjharrison> :)
[20:48] <natrium42> ah
[20:48] <natrium42> yeah, cross compiling can be messy
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[21:06] <Laurenceb> hello
[21:10] <natrium42> hi lb
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[21:25] <Laurenceb> hmm
[21:26] Action: Laurenceb reads the wiki
[21:26] <Laurenceb> so is there an ajax reader for that message format?
[21:29] <natrium42> what message format?
[21:30] <Laurenceb> check the wiki
[21:34] <natrium42> "the wiki" :P
[21:34] Action: natrium42 slaps Laurenceb around a bit with a cluestick
[21:35] Action: Laurenceb uses the rss feed
[21:35] <natrium42> google reader?
[21:38] <Laurenceb> http://wiki.ukhas.org.uk/projects:dlistener
[21:38] <Laurenceb> if your on the wiki with firefox, you can add the rss feed
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[21:58] <Xenion> Guten Abend folks :-)
[21:59] <Xenion> good evening :-)
[22:06] <natrium42> moin moin Xenion
[22:15] <jiffe88> hah
[22:15] <jiffe88> I literally installed that wiki 5 minutes 10 minutes ago
[22:15] <jiffe88> 10 minutes (I had to look at the clock)
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[23:36] <Laurenceb> cya guys
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[23:36] <jcoxon> mission complete :-D
[23:37] <jcoxon> northern lights viewed
[23:41] <SpeedEvil> :)
[23:45] <jcoxon> yeah the pictures you see in books cheat a bit
[23:45] <jcoxon> you need a long exposure to get that, your eyes just don't do the same job
[23:45] <jcoxon> yet its still really beautiful
[23:47] <SpeedEvil> It's nice that digital cameras that can do that are getting cheap.
[23:47] <SpeedEvil> yes, it is.
[23:47] <SpeedEvil> where are you?
[23:49] <jcoxon> tromso, norway
[23:49] Action: SpeedEvil tries to remember that site.
[23:50] <SpeedEvil> aha!
[23:50] <SpeedEvil> http://www.dcs.lancs.ac.uk/iono/aurorawatch/
[23:51] <jcoxon> brb
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