highaltitude.log.20081220

[00:09] <Laurenceb> lol "DIRECT 2.0 - The Ron Paul of launchers"
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[00:10] <natrium42> mars direct?
[00:12] <Laurenceb> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DIRECT
[00:14] <Laurenceb> I just thought that comment was funny as all the supporters are cases
[00:16] <Laurenceb> http://armadilloaerospace.com/n.x/Armadillo/Home/News?news_id=364
[00:16] <Laurenceb> "We believe that acoustic vibrations from the operating rocket engine could cause the contacts on the relay to intermittently lose contact"
[00:16] <Laurenceb> ^ no shit sherlock
[00:17] <Laurenceb> relays on a rocket just seems a really daft idea
[00:18] <natrium42> hehe
[00:22] <natrium42> bbl, snow shoveling :/
[00:29] <Laurenceb> :(
[00:29] <Laurenceb> I'm off, cya all
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[00:30] <SpeedEvil> It's good excersize!
[00:30] <SpeedEvil> (and a leading cause of coronory fatalities)
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[02:30] <natrium42> lol
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[09:31] <edmoore> mornin all
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[09:48] <edmoore> morning jcoxon
[09:48] <jcoxon> hey edmoore
[09:48] <edmoore> what's new?
[09:48] <jcoxon> not much
[09:49] <jcoxon> still waiting :-)
[09:49] <edmoore> when are you there until?
[09:49] <jcoxon> tonight might be the night, we are going inland and it shouldn't be too cloudy and the activity is increasing
[09:49] <jcoxon> leave tromso on monday
[09:49] <jcoxon> oslo on tues
[09:50] <edmoore> temp?
[09:50] <jcoxon> about 3 or 4
[09:50] <edmoore> not too bad
[09:50] <jcoxon> but in the wind yesterday it was a bout -3
[09:50] <jcoxon> horrible weather yesterday
[09:50] <jcoxon> seems better toda
[09:50] <jcoxon> y
[09:52] <edmoore> cool
[09:52] <jcoxon> you?
[09:52] <edmoore> need to do some christmas shopping
[09:53] <edmoore> but can't really face going to town on the last sat before christmas
[09:53] <edmoore> so will probs end up faffing around here
[09:53] <jcoxon> hehe
[09:53] <jcoxon> i still need to get all my christmas presents - they might end up being rather norway themed
[09:58] <edmoore> norway themed presents would be awesome
[09:59] <edmoore> does norway do any good national food?
[09:59] <jcoxon> salmon
[09:59] <jcoxon> might try and take a load home for christmas
[09:59] <edmoore> uhuh
[10:01] <jcoxon> things here are ridiclously priced
[10:01] <jcoxon> edging ?5 a pint
[10:01] <edmoore> over priced?
[10:01] <edmoore> yeah i know all beer in scandinavia is silly
[10:02] <jcoxon> everything is silly
[10:02] <jcoxon> but then apparently they earn appropriately
[10:02] <jcoxon> so its more that we are poorer then them :-)
[10:02] <edmoore> :)
[10:02] <edmoore> NHAS here we come
[10:03] <jcoxon> NHAS?
[10:04] <edmoore> norwegian high altitude society
[10:04] <edmoore> we should relocate
[10:04] <jcoxon> oh right
[10:04] <jcoxon> hehe
[10:04] <jcoxon> nah too hilly
[10:04] <jcoxon> east anglia is okay still
[10:05] <edmoore> indian high altitude society
[10:05] <edmoore> I HAS
[10:05] <edmoore> we could have a burger night
[10:05] <jcoxon> Lolcatz!
[10:05] <edmoore> I HAS CHEESEBURGER
[10:05] <jcoxon> International HAS
[10:06] <jcoxon> its a bit like international rescue but with bad grammer and lots of confused catz
[10:06] <edmoore> sending up meterological balloons to find ceiling cat
[10:06] <jcoxon> haha
[10:07] <edmoore> ceiling cat is digipeating your dataz
[10:08] <jcoxon> went to a really good polar explorer museum yesterday
[10:09] <jcoxon> reminded me of someone at kings who walked to the S Pole last year
[10:09] <edmoore> uhuh?
[10:09] <jcoxon> just looking at her facebook pics
[10:09] <jcoxon> (Kings, London rather then Kings, Cambridge)
[10:10] <jcoxon> its was -44 when she got to the pole, bless her tears froze instantly
[10:10] <edmoore> serves he right for crying
[10:11] <jcoxon> haha
[10:11] <jcoxon> if you just walked a long way in really cold i think you can be forgiven
[10:12] <edmoore> i suppose so, yeah
[10:13] <jcoxon> hehe
[10:14] <jcoxon> one day perhaps i'll make it there
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[12:19] <rjharrison> fergusnoble_ You arround?
[12:19] <rjharrison> around even :)
[12:20] <rjharrison> Any CUSF person like to comment on using a 425hz shift over 172
[12:20] <rjharrison> Or indeed anyone else
[12:21] <rjharrison> What i'm trying to establish is there mor chance of decoding the rtty from a distance if the shift is bigger
[12:22] <gordonjcp> maybe
[12:22] <gordonjcp> I don't see why it would make a difference, but it might
[12:23] <gordonjcp> you probably don't want the two tones to be harmonically related
[12:23] <rjharrison> That's where I'm coming from too :)
[12:23] <gordonjcp> try it and see
[12:23] <rjharrison> I need to get some distance in
[12:24] <gordonjcp> just use an attenuator
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[14:33] <fergusnoble_> rjharrison: 172 would probably work fine if your using 50baud still
[14:34] <fergusnoble_> rjharrison: using a wide shift minimises intersymbol interference, but reduces spectral efficiency
[14:34] <fergusnoble_> but we dont really care about spectral efficiency
[14:35] <fergusnoble_> so we went for a really wide shift to be on the safe side
[14:35] <edmoore> spectral efficiency lost the right to be cared for when it murdered that poor child
[14:35] <edmoore> it deserves all it gets
[14:36] <fergusnoble_> hi ed :)
[14:36] <edmoore> morning
[14:36] <fergusnoble_> not any more
[14:36] <edmoore> it is for me
[14:36] <edmoore> but only for another 24 minutes
[14:37] <edmoore> I am sitting in a boat in the atlantic
[14:37] <edmoore> actually that is a lie
[14:38] <edmoore> i am in west sussex
[14:38] <fergusnoble_> have you started the xmas merriments already ed?
[14:38] <edmoore> not actually yet today
[14:38] <edmoore> yesterday i broke out the truckle on montgomery cheddar
[14:38] <edmoore> and cut off a decent amount to keep us going up until christmas
[14:38] <fergusnoble_> oooh, nice
[14:39] <edmoore> i had eaten it all 20 minutes later, along with a new packet of Carr's cheese melts and 2 bottles of cobra
[14:39] <fergusnoble_> we have yet to do the xmas shop, everyone here is still working :(
[14:39] <edmoore> and was watching eddie izzard
[14:39] <fergusnoble_> hehe
[14:39] <edmoore> everyone is still working?
[14:40] <fergusnoble_> i mean, everyone is still at work so not much christmassy stuff has started yet
[14:40] <edmoore> i see
[14:40] <edmoore> well neal's yard to mail order
[14:40] <edmoore> so there is not excuse for not getting good cheese
[14:40] <edmoore> we need to be badger 2
[14:41] <edmoore> i had a thought, again
[14:41] <fergusnoble_> oh dear
[14:41] <edmoore> i think my new years resolution will be less thinking more doing
[14:41] <edmoore> but alas
[14:41] <edmoore> i had a thought
[14:41] <fergusnoble_> i told you, you should avoid thinking
[14:41] <fergusnoble_> go on then, what is it...
[14:41] <fergusnoble_> :p
[14:42] <edmoore> well, for the layout of badger2
[14:42] <edmoore> probs boring convo so will pm you
[14:42] <edmoore> assuming i can
[14:42] <fergusnoble_> if your about to say 4 layer, im so there
[14:42] <edmoore> no
[14:42] <edmoore> 2 has its advantages, especially with pound vs dollar
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[14:56] <fergusnoble_> 4 layer is only like 50% more
[14:57] <edmoore> it's loads more
[14:57] <edmoore> from phoenix anyway
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[15:00] <fergusnoble_> we can probably stretch to it
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[15:36] Action: SpeedEvil ponders why some vendors don't offer 3 layer
[15:36] <edmoore> same effort as 4 layer
[15:37] <SpeedEvil> hmm
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[18:28] <rjharrison> boo
[18:29] <rjharrison> Anyone awake on here
[18:29] Action: SpeedEvil bursts.
[18:29] <rjharrison> haha
[18:29] <natrium42> nope
[18:29] <rjharrison> Whos in the UK
[18:29] <rjharrison> Wait start agin
[18:29] Action: SpeedEvil is.
[18:29] <rjharrison> again
[18:29] <edmoore> what?
[18:29] <edmoore> yes
[18:29] <rjharrison> Any one know there distance from wakefield roughly
[18:29] <rjharrison> their
[18:30] <edmoore> where is wakefield?
[18:30] <rjharrison> I have rtty kicking out from ~300m above sealevel
[18:30] <SpeedEvil> there?
[18:30] <SpeedEvil> oh
[18:31] <SpeedEvil> I'd guess I'm 300 miles.
[18:31] <natrium42> rjharrison, how did you get it up tht high?
[18:31] <rjharrison> North of the M25 You won't know it :)
[18:31] <edmoore> have you released anything?
[18:31] <edmoore> rjharrison: basically yes
[18:31] <rjharrison> Not on a bloon
[18:31] <rjharrison> Just on top of a hill
[18:31] Action: SpeedEvil cannot pick up any rtty on his teeth.
[18:31] <edmoore> well, north of cambridge - pushed my frontier up that far
[18:31] <rjharrison> heh
[18:31] <rjharrison> e
[18:32] <rjharrison> Anyone have a rig and fancy a shot 434.072.81
[18:32] <edmoore> i would have a listen if it was dec 26th
[18:32] <edmoore> hopefully
[18:32] <rjharrison> You bastard
[18:32] <rjharrison> 7000
[18:32] <rjharrison> ?
[18:32] <natrium42> :D
[18:33] <edmoore> well i mentioned it to rents
[18:33] <edmoore> and they said 'pah, too expensive'
[18:33] <edmoore> and then a week later they said they'd pay for some jeans I went to get as a present
[18:33] <edmoore> then when i got back 'er... probably can't pay for the jeans... wait till christmas'
[18:33] <rjharrison> Ahh
[18:33] <rjharrison> Tantelising
[18:33] <rjharrison> sp
[18:39] <edmoore> has anyone else watched 'hole in the wall'?
[18:39] <edmoore> utterly compelling
[18:41] <natrium42> fascinating & devastating
[18:41] <edmoore> addicting
[18:47] <rjharrison> KNocked up an sma to PL259 today. And a breadboard sma antenna connector
[18:47] <edmoore> breadboard and rf = a fit
[18:47] <edmoore> actually rubbish
[18:48] <edmoore> it's fine
[18:48] <edmoore> just don't show or tell anyone :p
[18:48] <rjharrison> It works great I can bcast 6 miles from within my house off the bread board an 9cm of wire
[18:48] <rjharrison> s/an/amd
[18:48] <rjharrison> and
[18:49] <rjharrison> metrix at 4v
[18:50] <rjharrison> I drove to the tran station 25 mins from house and could still pick up rtty off my test board in the house
[18:50] <rjharrison> The local 70cm's people must love me
[18:50] <edmoore> :)
[18:51] <edmoore> if i did have my radio I've drive up onto the downs
[18:51] <edmoore> and have a listen
[18:51] <edmoore> i'm sure we'd have line of site, each at 300m
[18:51] <rjharrison> I'm sure too
[18:51] <rjharrison> I'm working hard on beacon for sacrafical launch 26-2nd
[18:52] <edmoore> national-holiday-hab
[18:52] <rjharrison> Yep
[18:52] <SpeedEvil> MMmmmm.
[18:52] <SpeedEvil> Bacon.
[18:52] <rjharrison> If santa's kind you can play radio with us
[18:53] <edmoore> i think i might be being a bit hopeful
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[18:53] <rjharrison> Possibly have you seen the hike in pricew
[18:53] <rjharrison> 950 quid now
[18:53] <edmoore> no?
[18:53] <edmoore> i guess that makes sense
[18:54] <rjharrison> I'm curing I was about to buy one
[18:54] <edmoore> we just got a new piano before the price shot up
[18:54] <rjharrison> cursing
[18:54] <edmoore> maybe curing is the better word
[18:54] <rjharrison> BTW edmoore
[18:54] <edmoore> habdiction
[18:55] <rjharrison> lol
[18:55] <rjharrison> This is now under my xmas tree http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=120350791324
[18:55] <edmoore> nice!
[18:55] <edmoore> did well with that
[18:55] <rjharrison> a ton
[18:56] <rjharrison> I have no idea but it looks nice and seems to work
[18:56] <edmoore> those ones are in all the labs everywhere
[18:56] <edmoore> they just work
[18:56] <edmoore> lovely tool
[18:56] <SpeedEvil> I decided to go for the other alternative, and got a new chinese scope at 2.5* that price.
[18:56] <SpeedEvil> 60MHz digital.
[18:56] <rjharrison> Am I right in thinking that 20MHz is fine for all avr work
[18:57] <SpeedEvil> 99.999%
[18:57] <edmoore> you almost certainly will not bump into the limit
[18:57] <rjharrison> !me wonders what 100Mhz is usefull for
[18:58] <SpeedEvil> For almost all microcontroller work, anything under a limit of about 1MHz will be fine
[18:58] <edmoore> in terms of usefulness to us, there's up to a few mhz, then a big gap
[18:58] <edmoore> then 434mhz
[18:58] <rjharrison> :)
[18:58] <SpeedEvil> I question how much use a 434MHz scope would be.
[18:58] <rjharrison> We could watch radio :)
[18:58] <SpeedEvil> You'd really need 1.2G, to get any harmonics
[18:58] <edmoore> yes that's true
[18:59] <rjharrison> We got the idea
[18:59] <edmoore> a spectrum analyser
[18:59] <SpeedEvil> Or just a mixer, and watch it at 10MHz
[18:59] <rjharrison> Right I'm off to play Jak II on the ps2 with the kid for 30 mins
[18:59] <SpeedEvil> Wave.
[18:59] <edmoore> cya
[18:59] <rjharrison> laters all
[18:59] <SpeedEvil> 2GHz AD 4 quadrant mixer - $3 or something silly.
[19:00] <edmoore> we are spoilt
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[21:15] <rjharrison> Boo
[21:15] <rjharrison> Any one know of a good linux rtty prog for the eee
[21:15] Action: rjharrison thinks fergus?
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[22:55] <Laurenceb> hello
[22:56] <edmoore> hello
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[23:12] <Laurenceb> I'm going to see if I can get the aerosol sampler launched some time around the beginning of jan
[23:13] <Laurenceb> depends on the weather obviously, and I also need to spend a few days working on it down in oxford.... will have to see
[23:13] <edmoore> k awesome
[23:13] <edmoore> that sounds cool
[23:14] <Laurenceb> yeah I'm really busy at the moment working at my mums house
[23:19] <Laurenceb> we decided some of the plastering sucked so I'm now hacking it off and redoing it :(
[23:19] <rjharrison> sounds great Laurenceb
[23:20] <rjharrison> bolox missed rocketboy
[23:20] <Laurenceb> not when you've been working on it virtually every day for getting on for 6 months
[23:20] <rjharrison> sorry I meant the launch
[23:21] <rjharrison> Hey I can plaster too. Did you teach yourself>
[23:21] <rjharrison> ?
[23:21] <Laurenceb> sort of
[23:21] <Laurenceb> I'm not very good
[23:22] <Laurenceb> we got someone in to do most of the work
[23:22] <Laurenceb> but he sucked as well
[23:22] <rjharrison> Good on you sir
[23:23] <Laurenceb> :P
[23:23] <Laurenceb> we are most on to painting now
[23:23] <Laurenceb> *mostly
[23:23] <Laurenceb> in fact upstairs is almost 100% finished
[23:24] <Laurenceb> ooh v for vendetta is on
[23:24] <edmoore> I am good at wallpaper stripping, if that counts
[23:24] <Laurenceb> lol
[23:25] <Laurenceb> I dont think wallpapaer existed the last time the place was inhabited
[23:25] <Laurenceb> there was just crumbling whitewash on most of the walls
[23:27] <Laurenceb> bbl, food
[23:58] <wickerwaka> rjharrison: fldigi?
[23:58] <wickerwaka> anything that uses hamlib i guess
[23:58] <rjharrison> edmoore do you remove 0 in seconds on badger strings eg 12:12:07 = 12:12:7 ?
[23:58] <rjharrison> Thanks wickerwaka
[23:58] <edmoore> fergusnoble_: I defer to you on that'n
[23:58] <edmoore> honestly don't remember
[23:59] Action: rjharrison thinks summon fergusnoble_
[23:59] <fergusnoble_> rawwwrr!
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