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[11:31] <jcoxon> morning rjharrison
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[11:32] <rjharrison> Hi jcoxon
[11:32] <rjharrison> Anything to report?
[11:33] <jcoxon> nah nothing
[11:33] <jcoxon> i've given up on the day
[11:33] <jcoxon> am now just watching music tv
[11:38] <gordonjcp> I was tidying but now I'm procrastinating again
[11:38] <gordonjcp> this unemployment lark isn't too bad at all
[11:38] <jcoxon> haha, like being a student
[11:40] <jcoxon> i just made 3 ikea kitchen chairs
[11:40] <rjharrison> Oh to be a student again
[11:40] <rjharrison> Obv. With some money
[11:40] <jcoxon> yeah thats the problem
[11:40] <rjharrison> Seem to have either money and no time or time and no money
[11:41] <jcoxon> thats how it works
[11:41] <jcoxon> i'm looking for a paid project to raise some cash
[11:41] <rjharrison> A paid HAB project
[11:41] <rjharrison> Or a medical one
[11:42] <jcoxon> paid embedded linux project really
[11:47] <jcoxon> medical projects usually involve selling organs :-P
[11:47] <SpeedEvil> They don't have to be yours.
[11:47] <gordonjcp> selling organs eh?
[11:47] <gordonjcp> I've got a Yamaha A55 that's basically taking up space
[11:48] <gordonjcp> can also lay my hands on a nice Wurlitzer and also a bloody massive Conn triple-manual
[11:48] <gordonjcp> sell or exchange for a Hammond X-66
[11:52] <jcoxon> hehe, i only just got that
[11:52] <rjharrison> jcoxon Sounds a nice idea
[11:53] <jcoxon> indeed
[11:54] <jcoxon> wow GM862 module on ebay for ?5.50
[11:55] <jcoxon> i sold one recently for ?50
[11:55] <jcoxon> and thats a lot less then they are new
[11:56] <rjharrison> Is it broken
[11:57] <jcoxon> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/GSM-GPRS-MODEM-SMS-Voice-Data-Telit-GM862-Quad-Band_W0QQitemZ330284284635QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item330284284635&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1301|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318
[11:57] <SpeedEvil> 5.50 - with 20 hours to go
[11:57] <SpeedEvil> !=5.50
[11:58] <jcoxon> i'd be suprised if it goes up a lot - gm862 modules are quite specialist devices
[11:58] <jcoxon> you need a breakout board to make them work
[11:58] <rjharrison> You going to big on this
[11:58] <jcoxon> nope
[11:58] <rjharrison> bid
[11:58] <jcoxon> i've got a GM862 and a GM862-GPS
[11:59] <SpeedEvil> they've been being sold for a bit
[11:59] <rjharrison> Ohh I like the GPS version though i guess you can send the gps data to the gm862
[11:59] <SpeedEvil> going for 10-15 quiod mostly
[11:59] <jcoxon> rjharrison, yeah you can, the only issue is that its sirfIII so will stop working at 24km
[12:00] <SpeedEvil> last one did indeed go for 5.50 tho
[12:00] <SpeedEvil> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/GSM-GPRS-MODEM-SMS-Voice-Data-Telit-GM862-Quad-Band_W0QQitemZ330284026691QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item330284026691&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A13%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
[12:01] <jcoxon> they are nice modules, though a bit of an arse to program
[12:01] <SpeedEvil> why?
[12:01] <rjharrison> Python
[12:01] <SpeedEvil> oh - is that the python one?
[12:01] <jcoxon> its python but you end up programming blind
[12:01] <jcoxon> as it doesn't output errors
[12:01] <SpeedEvil> eww
[12:02] <jcoxon> yeah, i ended up doing it line by line
[12:02] <SpeedEvil> can you use it as a dumb GPS+GSM thingy?
[12:02] <jcoxon> oh yes
[12:02] <rjharrison> Popped a bid on
[12:02] <jcoxon> very easily
[12:02] <rjharrison> I may be chasing you for some code if this comes in jcoxon
[12:02] <jcoxon> i used that module in AT mode for Peg VI
[12:02] Action: SpeedEvil watches the next one upcoming
[12:03] <jcoxon> http://www.pegasushabproject.org.uk/wiki/doku.php/missions:firefly:code
[12:03] <rjharrison> Tops.
[12:04] <jcoxon> for firefly 3 i used an external gps unit
[12:04] <jcoxon> which meant it worked above 24km but added extra complexity
[12:04] <jcoxon> basically the gm862-gps is a more advanced module with better firmware
[12:05] <jcoxon> rjharrison, on your AVR do you have a spare serial port? as it wouldn't be difficult to add the gm862 as a AT GSM modem
[12:06] <rjharrison> Yes I think I could use the tx to do tht
[12:07] <rjharrison> The rx is used to get the gps string and i currently debug through the tx pin but I could use that to send at commands to the device
[12:08] <jcoxon> you might also be able to get away with software serial on a different port
[12:08] <rjharrison> I guess that would save me almost any programming. Just set an AT coomand to send a messae to my mobile
[12:09] <rjharrison> Is it that simple
[12:09] <jcoxon> :-) thats what i do
[12:09] <jcoxon> well you'd have to send a few commands
[12:09] <jcoxon> but yeah
[12:09] <rjharrison> Yep like the olden days of using modems ATDT 01132330110
[12:09] <jcoxon> but you wouldn't know if it worked as you wouldn't be receiving any thing back
[12:09] <jcoxon> oh yeah
[12:10] <rjharrison> Humm I need a bigger chip on the next beacon. At least two uarts
[12:11] <rjharrison> That atmega8 has almost reached the end of the road for data and code space
[12:12] <rjharrison> Today is lovely up here. Perfect blue skys. The wind is probably shit... But the pics would be good.
[12:12] <rjharrison> jcoxon Don't worry I'm at work
[12:13] <jcoxon> haha
[12:13] <jcoxon> i should take your helium regulator away from you
[12:16] <rjharrison> I'm thinking about using CUSF helium and paying them for it. It will give them a bit of dosh towards theirs costs
[12:17] <rjharrison> Force me to launch your end and save dragging a bloody huge cylinder down
[12:19] <jcoxon> fair enough
[12:19] <jcoxon> they actually are sponsered by BOC
[12:20] <rjharrison> I know that's why it will help them a bit with kit
[12:20] <jcoxon> cool cool
[12:20] <rjharrison> Looks like a new yagi wouldn't go amiss
[12:21] <jcoxon> haha
[12:21] <jcoxon> they have loads of money
[12:21] <jcoxon> but yes their yagi isnt great
[12:21] <rjharrison> Ahh well perhaps a donation to UKHAS
[12:22] <rjharrison> Have some central kit or put a bit towards the hosting
[12:23] <jcoxon> good point, need to sort out some money for ben
[12:24] <rjharrison> Ever though of selling som tops or something
[12:24] <rjharrison> some
[12:24] <rjharrison> thought
[12:25] <jcoxon> yeah
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[12:36] <jcoxon> hey bfirsh
[12:36] <jcoxon> impressive summoning via email
[12:39] <bfirsh> hey
[12:40] <bfirsh> yeah, big email notifications also mean no real work gets done
[12:40] <bfirsh> hehe
[12:40] <jcoxon> i have that
[12:40] <jcoxon> googlemail pops up, its perfect to avoid work
[12:40] <bfirsh> well, at the end of this month, we'll probably get free colocation
[12:40] <jcoxon> oh okay
[12:41] <bfirsh> so a little contribution for the time up to then would be handy, after that we're quits
[12:41] <jcoxon> excellent
[12:41] <rjharrison> Right I'm going to get some lunch
[12:41] <jcoxon> email me some numbers and i'll actually rally some money together
[12:42] <jcoxon> oi
[12:42] <rjharrison> Just testing
[12:42] <rjharrison> lunch
[12:42] <rjharrison> bbl
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[16:26] <jcoxon> afternoon all
[16:34] <Ei5GTB> afternoon
[16:40] <jcoxon> hey Ei5GTB, no progress with getting permission yet?
[16:41] <Ei5GTB> nope, have to get onto the iaa again just
[16:41] <jcoxon> well if you need any help just shout
[16:41] <Ei5GTB> still havnt botherd to reply to them
[16:41] <Ei5GTB> you any good at beating people up?
[16:41] <jcoxon> it might be worth using us an example (or the US as they have more liberal rules)
[16:41] <jcoxon> hehe, not really
[16:42] <Ei5GTB> yea
[16:42] <Ei5GTB> grr i donno!
[16:42] <Ei5GTB> tis quite annoying
[16:43] <jcoxon> yeah i understand
[16:43] <Ei5GTB> cos to get permission for the radios, i have to get written permission from the iaa
[16:44] <Ei5GTB> If you intend to go ahead with an unmanned launch, I will require you to document exactly what your intentions are viv-a-vis balloon size, balloon markings if any, when you will launch, where you will launch, what equipment will be on board, intended flight path, intended altitude/flight level, intented balloon bursting altitude etc.
[16:44] <Ei5GTB>
[16:44] <Ei5GTB> With this information I will then contact ATM and see if your request can be accommodated. As I indicated earlier, my concern is the safety issues raised with your unmanned balloon operating in airspace where general and commercial public transport aircraft operate/transit.
[16:45] <Ei5GTB> i have to reply to that
[16:46] <jcoxon> okay, well it should be replyable
[16:47] <Ei5GTB> yea
[16:47] <jcoxon> balloon: 1kg standard totex meteorological balloon
[16:47] <jcoxon> payload: flight computer, radio, batteries, camera (total weight 1kg)
[16:48] <jcoxon> parachute: 1m (http://wiki.ukhas.org.uk/guides:parachute_sizing_chart)
[16:48] <jcoxon> launch site: grid ref lat/lon
[16:49] <jcoxon> when: during daylight, then give a suggested window
[16:49] <jcoxon> flight path: East (due to prevailing winds - able to run forecasts using Uni of Wyoming and also Hysplit forecast systems)
[16:50] <jcoxon> balloon burst alt: 24km
[16:50] <jcoxon> voila :-)
[16:55] <Ei5GTB> jcoxon, do you guys contact atc 10min before the launch
[16:55] <jcoxon> yup
[16:56] <Ei5GTB> GRAND
[16:56] <Ei5GTB> oops
[16:56] <jcoxon> sometimes the day before to remind them, however there is usually some one different on duty so its news to them
[16:57] <Ei5GTB> ah, yea
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[19:03] <EI5GTB> well, took most of the evening but the e-mail is written and sent off
[19:03] <jcoxon> excellent
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[19:21] <EI5GTB> indeed
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[19:25] <edmoore> yo
[19:25] <edmoore> jcoxon: what's the website thingamie for getting your call?
[19:27] <jcoxon> http://www.ofcom.org.uk/licensing/olc/
[19:27] <jcoxon> how exciting
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[19:29] <Laurenceb> hello
[19:29] <edmoore> natrium42: yo
[19:30] <edmoore> anyone know where virgin atlantic flies to in canada?
[19:31] <jcoxon> don't they have a map on their website?
[19:31] <jcoxon> they don't
[19:31] <jcoxon> lots of US cities, no canadian
[19:32] <edmoore> arse
[19:32] <edmoore> who can get me to canada painlessly?
[19:32] <jcoxon> BA?
[19:32] <jcoxon> terminal 5 is meant to be very good now
[19:32] <jcoxon> where in canda do you want to go to?
[19:32] <edmoore> eastside
[19:33] <edmoore> jcoxon: run me byt this - did you get sent anything after the exam?
[19:34] <jcoxon> not for quite a while
[19:34] <jcoxon> after the exam you got a certificate? with a candidate number
[19:34] <jcoxon> thats what you need to enter
[19:35] <jcoxon> on the website
[19:35] <edmoore> ok cool
[19:35] <edmoore> ta
[19:43] <natrium42> edmoore, air canada? :)
[19:43] <edmoore> is it any good?
[19:43] <natrium42> yes
[19:44] <natrium42> lufthansa might fly too
[19:46] <jcoxon> edmoore, going on holiday?
[19:46] <edmoore> need to get away!
[19:46] <jcoxon> haha
[19:49] <natrium42> :D
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[19:49] <jcoxon> and he's off
[19:49] <natrium42> not away from this channel!!! :(
[19:53] <jcoxon> hmmm i've found the local repeater
[19:54] <jcoxon> nice and strong
[19:54] <jcoxon> the problem is that i don't have ctcss
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[20:49] <edmoore> yo all
[20:53] <Laurenceb> hi ed
[21:20] <Laurenceb> hmm I have a 16 bit register used for pwm capture
[21:20] <Laurenceb> so I capture the rising and falling edges
[21:20] <Laurenceb> I want to find the pulse kenght
[21:21] <Laurenceb> can I do this with a 16bit variable?
[21:22] <Laurenceb> the timer that the capture register loads from is 16bit, but its set to overflow at about 50000
[21:23] <wickerwaka> what is the time unit?
[21:23] <Laurenceb> diff=ICR1-start; if(start>ICR1) diff+=TOP;
[21:23] <Laurenceb> about 400ns
[21:24] <Laurenceb> that was my code
[21:24] <Laurenceb> diff is signed 16
[21:24] <Laurenceb> ICR1 my register and start u16
[21:24] <Laurenceb> start is used to record the start of the pulse
[21:25] <Laurenceb> but it gives illy results, even though the hardware seems to be fine
[21:25] <Laurenceb> I'm trying to get my head round whats happening :-/
[21:25] <wickerwaka> got docs for the hardware?
[21:26] <Laurenceb> sure its a mega168
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[21:26] <Laurenceb> http://www.avrfreaks.net/index.php?module=Freaks%20Devices&func=displayDev&objectid=78
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[21:31] <Laurenceb> I think that in general singed 16 bit=unsigned 16 a - unsigned 16 b;
[21:31] <Laurenceb> doestn work
[21:31] <Laurenceb> for -ive results
[21:32] <Laurenceb> i.e. if b>a it just gives zero
[21:34] <wickerwaka> it won't give zero
[21:34] <wickerwaka> but it won't give correct results
[21:35] <Laurenceb> is this even possible?
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[21:37] <Laurenceb> http://pastebin.com/m6bb9688b ?
[21:37] <Laurenceb> http://pastebin.com/m690563c9 even
[21:38] <wickerwaka> what is TOP_COUNT?
[21:39] <Laurenceb> (u16)50000
[21:39] <Laurenceb> where our timer overflows
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[21:39] <wickerwaka> okay (s16)50000 is going to be a negative number
[21:40] <Laurenceb> can I add a u16 to an s16?
[21:40] <wickerwaka> you can
[21:41] <wickerwaka> and you can add a s16 to a u16
[21:41] <wickerwaka> but they both have the potential to overflow
[21:41] <Laurenceb> sure
[21:41] <wickerwaka> as does adding a u16 to a u16 or a s16 to an s16
[21:41] <Laurenceb> I need to draw some numberline style diagrams I think
[21:42] <Laurenceb> have you got any idea how to sdo this?
[21:43] <wickerwaka> use a s32 for diff?
[21:44] <Laurenceb> noooooooo
[21:44] <Laurenceb> thats my whole point
[21:44] <Laurenceb> I want to avoid anything >16 bit
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[21:46] <wickerwaka> can you afford to lose some precision?
[21:46] <wickerwaka> shift everything right by a 1 or 2 bits and then treat them all as signed
[21:46] <Laurenceb> hmm good point
[21:47] <wickerwaka> well, just shift ICR1 right and any constants you are using
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[21:47] <wickerwaka> but make sure to shift it as an unsigned value and then store it to a signed value
[21:47] <wickerwaka> don't store it to a signed value and then shift it
[21:48] <wickerwaka> s16 scaledICR1 = ( (u16) ICR1 ) >> 2
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[21:54] <Laurenceb> http://pastebin.com/m69ab1e24
[21:56] <wickerwaka> where is start calculated?
[21:56] <Laurenceb> http://pastebin.com/m286d6ea7
[21:56] <Laurenceb> thats the whole thing
[21:59] <wickerwaka> that looks right
[22:01] <Laurenceb> I need to divide the top and bottom pulse limits by 2 as well
[22:01] <Laurenceb> ok time to flash it :S
[22:01] <edmoore> taken out of context that is amusing
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[22:41] <Laurenceb> arggg
[22:41] <Laurenceb> if(!(counter&0x80)) != if(!counter&0x80)
[22:41] <Laurenceb> stupid c
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[22:54] <natrium42> PEBKAC?
[22:56] <Laurenceb> eh?
[22:57] <natrium42> "PEBKAC is an acronym which stands for "Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair". The phrase is used by computer experts as a semi-humorous way ..."
[22:59] <wickerwaka> Laurenceb: did it work
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[22:59] <Laurenceb> not sure yet
[23:00] <Laurenceb> cooking atm
[23:12] <Laurenceb> wickerwaka: appears to work
[23:12] <wickerwaka> cool
[23:13] <Laurenceb> problem is the diff variable is used to set the servo position
[23:13] <Laurenceb> and I dont have a reciever
[23:13] <Laurenceb> so I'm feeding the servo output back into the input with a jumper
[23:13] <Laurenceb> and it always reads a slightly longer input
[23:14] <Laurenceb> so it goes a bit crazy
[23:14] <Laurenceb> I need to get a reciever
[23:17] <Laurenceb> thanks for the help
[23:18] <wickerwaka> np
[23:18] <Laurenceb> http://www.rccarsandtrucks.co.uk/1486_1_2354945.html <-- I'll probably get that
[23:23] <Laurenceb> grr the code has grown by ~200 bytes now :(
[23:23] <edmoore> I have too much work to do for tomorrow. I think my solution will be to do none of it
[23:24] <Laurenceb> a good plan
[23:25] <edmoore> this has probably been the hardest 2 weeks of my degree (excluding exam term) so far.
[23:28] <Laurenceb> just lots of work?
[23:28] <Laurenceb> or deadlines?
[23:29] <edmoore> this annoying 2 week long investigation that involves 9-5 in the dept for 2 weeks
[23:29] <edmoore> + 4 lab reports
[23:29] <edmoore> 6 supervisions in 4 days
[23:29] <edmoore> and presentation of said investigation today
[23:29] <edmoore> thankfully I've broken the back of it, but i still have 2 supervisions tomorrow
[23:29] <Laurenceb> ouch
[23:29] <Laurenceb> 6 in 4 days
[23:30] <Laurenceb> crazy
[23:30] <Laurenceb> you have to do problem sheets for each of them?
[23:30] <edmoore> but given there are only 5 labs a term and I've done 4 in the last 2 weeks, the rest of term shouldn't present too many challenges
[23:30] <edmoore> so goes the plan....
[23:30] <edmoore> yep
[23:31] <Laurenceb> we had oneterm with 4 a week and that was mental
[23:31] <Laurenceb> 6 in 4 days sounds crazy
[23:31] <edmoore> it's very annoying, I must say
[23:32] <Laurenceb> guess it depends how hard the work is
[23:32] <edmoore> not easy. gone are those days.
[23:32] <Laurenceb> most of our stuff we spent the first day working out what it was on about
[23:33] <edmoore> tell me about it. you optimistically think you might be able to do 10 questions in 6 hours
[23:33] <edmoore> and find you've spent 3 hours on one and hardly got anywhere
[23:33] <Laurenceb> one prof set the deadline for submission at 4am the morning before
[23:33] <edmoore> :)
[23:33] <Laurenceb> everyone would arrive about 4.05
[23:34] <Laurenceb> having stayed up from about 8am the previous day
[23:34] <edmoore> :)
[23:35] <Laurenceb> well good luck
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