highaltitude.log.20081028

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[01:35] <Laurenceb> cya folks
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[07:26] <rjharrison> Moringin all, Just a quick shout, Getting the kiddies ready for school
[07:26] <edmoore> fun!
[07:26] <rjharrison> Like you woodn't believe
[07:27] <rjharrison> Only 3 of them and me. Wife is in london for work !!!
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[12:06] <rjharrison_work> Anyone arround for some lunchtime banter, any one got a project nearly ready for launch?
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[15:49] <natrium42> hello edmoore
[15:49] <edmoore> yo
[15:49] <edmoore> all well?
[15:49] <natrium42> yep, how are you?
[15:51] <edmoore> not bad, just got back from lectures and labs
[15:51] <edmoore> it's raining
[15:52] <edmoore> and I can't really face heading to the library to work
[15:52] <natrium42> it's 4 celsius here today...
[15:52] <natrium42> getting colder
[15:53] <edmoore> eeek
[15:53] <edmoore> not that cold here
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[15:57] <natrium42> edmoore, are you launching this weekend or just jcoxon?
[15:57] <edmoore> probably not
[15:58] <natrium42> mmkay, i hope the winds are with him :)
[15:58] <edmoore> yeah me too
[15:58] <edmoore> it doesn't look great
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[16:19] <rjharrison_work> wow natrium42 you still there
[16:19] <natrium42> eh?
[16:19] <rjharrison_work> That pano s/w is giving me some jib
[16:19] <natrium42> edmoore, do you use linux or osx? http://down.codeweavers.com/
[16:20] <rjharrison_work> What is the way to get it to do the stitching in a circle
[16:20] <edmoore> osx
[16:20] <natrium42> haha, what's the problem?
[16:20] <natrium42> edmoore, crossover free just for today
[16:20] <edmoore> what is it?
[16:20] <natrium42> the CEO lost a bet
[16:20] <natrium42> crossover office, (improved wine)
[16:20] <natrium42> to run windows apps
[16:20] <rjharrison_work> apple rules
[16:21] <edmoore> cool
[16:21] <natrium42> rjharrison, once you do a regular panorama
[16:21] <rjharrison_work> They should have licence the os in the 80's and windoze would never have existed
[16:21] <rjharrison_work> Yep
[16:21] <natrium42> you can use photoshop to do the circular one
[16:21] <rjharrison_work> Ahh and there I am pulling my hair out to make autopano do it
[16:22] <rjharrison_work> edmoore, is the wind looking bad again.
[16:22] <natrium42> in photoshop
[16:22] <natrium42> resize image to square proportions
[16:23] <natrium42> and then use the polar filter
[16:23] <natrium42> panorama should be upside down before you apply that filter
[16:23] <rjharrison_work> Humm, I'll get the pano looking good first and then well chat
[16:23] <natrium42> k
[16:23] <rjharrison_work> we'll
[16:24] <rjharrison_work> Should I get the pano looking as best as I can first
[16:24] <rjharrison_work> in autopano
[16:24] <rjharrison_work> Any hints welcome
[16:24] <natrium42> yes, one hint
[16:24] <natrium42> once you get a panorama, but horizon is wavy
[16:24] <natrium42> instead of straight
[16:24] <natrium42> use the center point tool
[16:25] <natrium42> and click somewhere near the horizon
[16:25] <natrium42> until it's entirely straight
[16:25] <rjharrison_work> Awsume and it will then be a wide rectangle
[16:25] <natrium42> yes
[16:25] <rjharrison_work> Pop that into photoshop invert and polar it?
[16:26] <natrium42> yes
[16:26] <natrium42> make sure to use rotate 180 degrees command
[16:26] <rjharrison_work> So 10 mins and done: I think not!
[16:26] <natrium42> not flipping
[16:26] <natrium42> or it will be mirrored :P
[16:26] <rjharrison_work> Can I place other pics into the pano.
[16:27] <natrium42> yes
[16:27] <natrium42> but i haven't done that
[16:27] <natrium42> it's a bit slow when you have a hundred of images
[16:27] <natrium42> even with a quad core computer
[16:28] <natrium42> so i have resorted to pre-selecting the best images before running the automatic stitching
[16:29] <natrium42> and if it doesn't work, selecting a different set, etc...
[16:30] <rjharrison_work> I selected a whole group of images and it seemed to just put pairs together
[16:31] <rjharrison_work> Is there a way of saying there is a bit of this image in the other and now do your magick
[16:31] <natrium42> are you sure you pictures connecting the pairs?
[16:31] <natrium42> *you have
[16:31] <rjharrison_work> Humm
[16:32] <rjharrison_work> The video split into grabs every 10 frams seems to be the best
[16:32] <natrium42> yah, what i used too
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[16:39] <rjharrison_work> Have you seen how close I was to this http://www.robertharrison.org/files/radio/IMG_0435.JPG
[16:39] <natrium42> haha, awesome :)
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[17:24] <jcoxon> evening all
[17:32] <SpeedEvil> http://www.xkcd.com/ :) (last panel)
[17:34] <jcoxon> hehe
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[17:54] <natrium42> SpeedEvil, he just had to catch the jet stream...
[17:55] <natrium42> did anybody deal with www.spacecraftfilms.com ?
[17:56] <natrium42> billed me over $100 three months ago
[17:56] <natrium42> but didn't deliver the DVDs until today
[17:57] <SpeedEvil> Do they state delivery times?
[17:59] <natrium42> they didn
[17:59] <natrium42> 't even ship it
[17:59] <natrium42> there is no shipping notice
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[18:06] <natrium42> found their fax number via domain whois
[18:06] <natrium42> and sent them a fax
[18:09] <jcoxon> natrium42, sounds a bit dodgey then
[18:09] <natrium42> yes
[18:10] <natrium42> i am getting answering machines on his mobile and office numbers
[18:10] <natrium42> his dvds have been distributed by amazon too, though....
[18:10] <natrium42> anyway, going to see whether i get a response to the fax. i have been quite strict there.
[18:18] <jcoxon> finally might get my new radio module
[18:18] <jcoxon> the post office managed to lose it and finally returned it back to the sender
[18:18] <jcoxon> so hopefully will get it before the weekend
[18:27] <jcoxon> wow - a thunderstorm
[18:27] <jcoxon> how strange
[18:27] <natrium42> but the launch is still on, right? :D
[18:28] <jcoxon> yup
[18:28] <jcoxon> well hopefully - i want good weather
[18:28] <jcoxon> and the wunderground forecasts suggest sunday might be good
[18:29] <jcoxon> natrium42, you around this weekend?
[18:29] <natrium42> definitely
[18:30] <jcoxon> oh i really hope the sstv works, i've tested it loads but...
[18:31] <natrium42> me too
[18:32] <jcoxon> we shall have to see
[18:32] <jcoxon> so am changing to a different freq to avoid interference with local repeaters
[18:32] <jcoxon> and then all i've got to do is construct my antenna which won't take long
[18:33] <natrium42> yagi?
[18:33] <jcoxon> oh no i mean the groundplane antenna for the payload
[18:33] <jcoxon> just need a SMA connector to finish it
[18:33] <natrium42> ah, gotcha
[18:34] <jcoxon> quite excited
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[19:07] <natrium42> Hi Hiena
[19:07] <Hiena> ' evening!
[19:07] <jcoxon> ooooo new gumstix overo is out
[19:09] <jcoxon> wow its quite a machine
[19:09] <Hiena> I've got a bad news today. One of our club member died in an accident. He tried to do a low pass at the hangar and hit the ground almost vertically, He died instantly.
[19:09] <jcoxon> oh Hiena, thats awful
[19:10] <jcoxon> sorry to hear that
[19:10] <natrium42> bzedndtskjgrjhbgwrirguiiurt
[19:10] <natrium42> :(
[19:10] <natrium42> i made an order on gumstix.com yesterday
[19:11] <Hiena> jcoxon, i read it at a news site, and i was quite shocked because i flew that plane this spring.
[19:12] <jcoxon> natrium42, it has a hdmi port! how ridiculous
[19:12] <natrium42> haha, awesome
[19:12] <natrium42> just stupid that i ordered yesterday :P
[19:12] <natrium42> $50 for shipping
[19:12] <natrium42> should receive the items today
[19:12] <jcoxon> you could amend the order probably
[19:12] <jcoxon> oh right
[19:13] <natrium42> overnight
[19:13] <jcoxon> its a lot quicker for you
[19:13] <natrium42> indeed :S
[19:13] <natrium42> bbl food
[19:13] <jcoxon> i'm jsut wondering what its target is
[19:14] <jcoxon> ooo it can do lcd, would be a nice little touch screen system
[19:23] <natrium42> probably cheaper to get a PDA, though
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[19:32] <jcoxon> hehe true
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[20:00] <rjharrison> Master jcoxon you still arround. Are things looking ok for the w/e still
[20:01] <edmoore> the weekend looks a bit dodge to me
[20:01] <rjharrison> Can't you get your wand out and sort it
[20:02] <rjharrison> The weather need to get it act together
[20:02] <rjharrison> needs
[20:03] <edmoore> tis the season for it
[20:03] <edmoore> you just need to find a ballooning activity the likes high winds
[20:04] <edmoore> that*
[20:05] <SpeedEvil> Kites.
[20:05] <SpeedEvil> High-altitude jet-stream powered kites.
[20:05] <rjharrison> Show me the ball of string
[20:05] Action: SpeedEvil ponders.
[20:05] <SpeedEvil> What altitude is the jet stream - 20Km?
[20:05] <rjharrison> Still need a NOTAM for that
[20:06] Action: SpeedEvil fails at atmospheric dynamics.
[20:06] <SpeedEvil> rjharrison: Why? What on earth could be wrong with a harmless barrage balloon? :)
[20:07] <rjharrison> What's the problem with the wind. Too much or in the wrong direction?
[20:07] <rjharrison> Hiena: Sorry to hear your news... Puts a damper on the day
[20:08] <edmoore> SpeedEvil: 9-15, say
[20:08] <rjharrison> Probably both
[20:09] <gordonjcp> Hiena: :-O
[20:09] <gordonjcp> Hiena: that's terrible
[20:09] Action: SpeedEvil ponders.
[20:09] Action: SpeedEvil scrolls.
[20:09] <SpeedEvil> :(
[20:10] <gordonjcp> Hiena: in this part of the world it's traditional to make bad-taste jokes about such things when they happen, in a rather oblique show of respect
[20:10] <gordonjcp> but I really can't think of any
[20:11] <Hiena> Well, it was clearly a pilot error, and such accidents like this is sad but, remembers the living ones, flying is not a game.
[20:11] <gordonjcp> "airplanes bite fools"
[20:11] <gordonjcp> not saying your mate was a fool
[20:12] <gordonjcp> but that's what my old instructor used to say, several times a day
[20:13] <gordonjcp> Hiena: here when a close friend dies we all go out and get very very drunk
[20:13] <gordonjcp> I mean, going out and getting very very drunk isn't unusual in itself
[20:13] <Hiena> We will too.
[20:13] <gordonjcp> but when we do we sit and tell all the funny stories
[20:14] <gordonjcp> and roundly take the piss out of our absent friend
[20:14] <gordonjcp> and then you don't remember them ill or dying or stuff like that, you remember the time with the four tins of paint and the really really hot cup of tea
[20:14] <gordonjcp> or some similar incident
[20:14] <gordonjcp> (that's a real, but long, story)
[20:16] <Hiena> Even he was in a different section of the club, we will remember him with an open fire cooking, and drinking. Lot of drinking.
[20:16] <jcoxon> hey rjharrison edmoore
[20:16] <edmoore> yo
[20:16] <jcoxon> sunday looks okay on the wunderground forecasts
[20:16] <gordonjcp> Hiena: yeah ;-)
[20:17] <gordonjcp> Hiena: tell you what, the worst is seeing it coming
[20:17] <gordonjcp> I remember when a guy ground-looped a Leopard Moth at my local field
[20:17] <gordonjcp> no injuries, just a bit of scuffed canvas
[20:17] <jcoxon> oh, the forecast have changed in the last hour
[20:17] <gordonjcp> but you can see exactly what's going to happen, long before it comes, and just hope it's not going to be too bad
[20:18] <gordonjcp> dude was veeeeeery lucky that day
[20:18] <edmoore> jcoxon: yeah, it's getting a bit yuck
[20:18] <jcoxon> friday...
[20:19] <edmoore> i couldn't help much (boo)
[20:19] <edmoore> double lab
[20:19] <jcoxon> have you seen the 'stream
[20:19] <rjharrison> I'd do friday. Need to know thrusday afternoon latest
[20:20] <jcoxon> hmmmm, lets keep watching
[20:20] <jcoxon> i'm free fri - sun
[20:20] <rjharrison> Sunday is better
[20:20] <rjharrison> Sat is foundation exam
[20:20] <Hiena> gordonjcp, i thin so. I'm in the fields more than 10 years, I digged out guy from the wrecked gliders up to the paragliders. I gave first-aid dosen of people, yet still the worst two is the spin-off the hang-glider at the start, and the low altitude, one side close of the paragliders.
[20:21] <Hiena> Both of them, you could see it happen, and know the guy at the plane can't do anything.
[20:21] <gordonjcp> yeah
[20:21] <gordonjcp> I think that's worse than just arriving after it's happened
[20:21] <gordonjcp> there's no small amount of "oh fuck that could be me"
[20:22] <rjharrison> Got two nice a1 prints through today from Bonusprint. Now have then hanging in the office
[20:22] <gordonjcp> rjharrison: panorama?
[20:22] <rjharrison> No I have given up. That isn't as easy as it looks
[20:23] <Hiena> Ehehehe...
[20:23] <rjharrison> In my next launch I'm going to be getting pics from all angles so I'll do a panorama then
[20:24] <Hiena> When will you do that?
[20:24] <rjharrison> Probably in Decemeber as we have a few launches on the go.
[20:24] <Hiena> I'm still looking for somebody to do the high altitude airspeed measurement.
[20:25] <rjharrison> I want to watch and listen for a bit. Isn't that just how quickly the balloon moves.
[20:25] <rjharrison> I mean there can't be much resistance against the balloon? Can there???
[20:26] <rjharrison> jcoxon, edmoore I have ordered 3 434.075's today
[20:26] <jcoxon> they find my module
[20:26] <jcoxon> it got returned sothey've sent it 1st class
[20:26] <rjharrison> Great
[20:26] <edmoore> rjharrison: cool
[20:26] <jcoxon> so i won't have to be in to get it
[20:27] <rjharrison> I have got mine sent to work so that reception can sign for it
[20:27] <rjharrison> I thought you had nurses for that jc :)
[20:27] <gordonjcp> I'm probably going to be at home to receive parcels from next week :-/
[20:27] <gordonjcp> this project I'm working on is nearly done
[20:27] <gordonjcp> well, as nearly done as they're prepared to pay for
[20:28] <jcoxon> rjharrison, yeah i don't think Anne ward would appreciate that
[20:28] <rjharrison> No shit... They normally keep the young Dr's in there place.
[20:28] <rjharrison> their
[20:29] <jcoxon> haha
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[20:39] <rjharrison> I need rtty on my beacon :
[20:39] <rjharrison> :(
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[20:40] <edmoore> so do it!
[20:42] <edmoore> coffee, a webpage in its implimentation, sorted
[20:43] <rjharrison> I only need to tx at two freqencies rather than one and that's it I guess. Should be able to set up a rough 200hz jump and send 8 bit ascii
[20:43] <edmoore> bingo
[20:43] <edmoore> radiometrices advertise themselves as best used between 1v and 3.2V
[20:43] <rjharrison> Flicking the cpio should be enough to send the bits ?
[20:44] <rjharrison> gpio
[20:44] <SpeedEvil> Sure.
[20:44] <edmoore> if you can make it such that that results in two different voltages, yes
[20:44] <SpeedEvil> You may need appropriate resistive dividers to set the ranges.
[20:44] <edmoore> or rather, the correct two different voltages
[20:44] <edmoore> exactly^
[20:46] <rjharrison> This may sound crap but cant i set pin one high all the time with a resistor to the tx to give 2.2v say and then fick pin two on and off which will send 2.4v to the tx as the resistor would be slightly less
[20:47] <gordonjcp> yes
[20:47] <edmoore> correct - so i can see you doing it with three resistors
[20:47] <rjharrison> ?
[20:47] <rjharrison> 2
[20:47] <SpeedEvil> rjharrison: not easily - you'd need diodes
[20:47] <edmoore> well, i'll explain how I would do it with three, then someone smarter can say how to do it with 2
[20:48] <SpeedEvil> Or maybe I'm misunderstanding.
[20:48] <rjharrison> No I'm just being dumb here
[20:48] <edmoore> you have three resistors between +V and 0V
[20:48] <SpeedEvil> One variable resistor between 0V and supply. This sets the center voltage.
[20:48] <SpeedEvil> Anotehr variable resistor - to the GPIO pin to teh center of this.
[20:48] <SpeedEvil> This will set the range
[20:49] <SpeedEvil> But you need a small resistor in series with the GPIO too.
[20:49] <edmoore> +V ----<===> -----<===>-----<===>---- 0V
[20:49] <edmoore> hang on everyone so my crap diagram stays in view
[20:49] <edmoore> gimme 1 min
[20:49] <edmoore> +V ----<===> -----<===>-----<===>---- 0V
[20:50] <edmoore> we will call them R1------R2------R3
[20:50] <edmoore> so this: <====> is a resistor
[20:50] <rjharrison> Yep
[20:50] <edmoore> the line to the tx input pin goes from between R2 and R3
[20:51] <edmoore> the gpio from the avr goes between R1 and R2
[20:52] <edmoore> and has a diode
[20:52] <edmoore> so when the avr pin is low, you set up those resistors so they give you their 'low' voltage
[20:53] <edmoore> the equation for this would be: V = (V+ *R3)/(R1+R2+R3)
[20:54] <edmoore> that top line is ambiguous sorry - supply voltage multiplied by R3
[20:54] <edmoore> now when you set the avr gpio to high, you inject a voltage between R1 and R2
[20:55] <edmoore> this new (higher) voltage will increase the voltage between R2 and R3
[20:55] <rjharrison> Cool
[20:55] <edmoore> i.e. the voltage going to the Tx
[20:55] <rjharrison> My idea was simpler but basically flawed probably
[20:56] <SpeedEvil> I'd recommned:
[20:56] <SpeedEvil> http://www.mauve.plus.com/circuit.jpg
[20:56] <edmoore> you need to remember you will loose 0.6V across the diode from the avr to the potential dividor
[20:56] <SpeedEvil> Oops.
[20:56] <SpeedEvil> the left 50K should be a variable resistor too.
[20:56] <SpeedEvil> and the tx output should come from the wiper
[20:57] <edmoore> that is probably a better circuit :)
[20:57] <edmoore> right, time for a drink
[20:57] <edmoore> bbl
[20:57] <rjharrison> Still not sure why you can't connect two gpio pins to the tx each with a different resistor
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[20:57] <gordonjcp> rjharrison: no reason at all
[20:57] <gordonjcp> that should work, actually
[20:58] <SpeedEvil> The above is simply easier to adjust, and less vulnerable to noise.
[20:58] <rjharrison> Leave one on and the other you just fick on and off
[20:58] <rjharrison> Hey I would give you that. I'm still at the stage where nosie doesn't exist :)
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[21:30] <edmoore> back
[21:30] <edmoore> yo
[21:30] <edmoore> yah
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[23:46] <rjharrison> I'm off to bed
[23:46] <rjharrison> Nights all
[23:47] <rjharrison> Chat tomorrow
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