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[00:39] <natrium42> edmoore, fix0r your ethernetz0r! :P
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[02:49] <jiffe88> well my camera lasts a heck of a lot longer without the lcd screen
[02:50] <jiffe88> 25 minutes with the lcd screen, I got 2 hours 5 minutes out of it without it taking pictures once a minute at which point I ran out of internal memory
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[07:49] <edmoore> natrium42: good morning
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[09:33] <rjharrison> Good moring all
[09:33] <jcoxon> hey rjharrison
[09:33] <rjharrison> Off to the viking centre in York today with the kids
[09:33] <jcoxon> sorry i missed you yesterday
[09:33] <rjharrison> Mor jcoxon
[09:33] <rjharrison> No probs
[09:34] <jcoxon> for sstv what platform do you run?
[09:34] <rjharrison> I brought a mobile antenna for 70cm,2,6m
[09:34] <rjharrison> No idea
[09:34] <rjharrison> I haven't played with it yet
[09:34] <jcoxon> oh i meant OS
[09:34] <rjharrison> Opps
[09:34] <rjharrison> Windo$e linux or mac I'm happy with any
[09:35] <jcoxon> basically any SSTV recieving software will work
[09:35] <jcoxon> its been tested with macrobotsstv and works well
[09:35] <jcoxon> http://homepage.mac.com/WebObjects/FileSharing.woa/wa/default?user=kd6cji&templatefn=FileSharing11.html&xmlfn=TKDocument.11.xml&sitefn=RootSite.xml&aff=consumer&cty=US&lang=en
[09:35] <rjharrison> I have foundation exam at 1:30pm on sat if you're not launching then I'll try to come down
[09:36] <rjharrison> Dloading link now
[09:36] <rjharrison> If you are in the air on saturday I'll see what i can get from here.
[09:36] <jcoxon> okay well it all depends on the weatehr
[09:36] <rjharrison> The antenna has a 10meter pole with it and guy ropes
[09:36] <jcoxon> will decide on weds/thurs
[09:37] <rjharrison> Hope to ba able to set up a mobile base on top of hill and listen to launches in future
[09:37] <rjharrison> Whicked. I'll do some testing with sstv before hand
[09:38] <jcoxon> apparently MMSSTV is the best though
[09:38] <jcoxon> just about to try it out
[09:38] <rjharrison> Is there any broradcasts to listen too
[09:38] <rjharrison> For test purposes
[09:38] <jcoxon> there are certainly listening channels on the band plan
[09:38] <jcoxon> whether they are used are a different matter
[09:38] <rjharrison> :)
[09:38] <jcoxon> i could always record something though
[09:39] <rjharrison> Oh yes as a wav then I could play it back intot the sw
[09:39] <rjharrison> software
[09:39] <rjharrison> Might be worth posting a sample pic on your site for anyone elase want to do a dload
[09:40] <jcoxon> well MMSTV works on wine on mac so i'll try that out
[09:40] <jcoxon> apparently its more sensitive
[09:40] <jcoxon> that said the range on the sstv isn't going to be brilliant
[09:40] <jcoxon> nothing like rtty
[09:41] <gordonjcp> rjharrison: test transmissions of *your* sstv, or test transmissions of sstv generally?
[09:42] <rjharrison> sstv genreally
[09:42] <gordonjcp> yeah, no problem, give me a sec
[09:44] <gordonjcp> http://www.gjcp.net/space/
[09:53] <gordonjcp> think the second one has probably got quite a long tail of noise, I'll trim it down later
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[10:07] <Ei5GTB_> howd the launch go yesterday?
[10:13] <jcoxon> no launch yesterday
[10:13] <jcoxon> probably next weekend
[10:14] <gordonjcp> rjharrison: did those work for you?
[10:18] <Ei5GTB_> oic
[10:19] <jcoxon> Ei5GTB_, the weather is rubbish and also the payload wasn't finished :-)
[10:19] <Ei5GTB_> ah, hateful
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[10:19] <jcoxon> don't worry you'll be kept upto date
[10:23] <jcoxon> EI5GTB, do you use 70cm?
[10:23] <EI5GTB> eh, a little, not much happening on it over here
[10:24] <jcoxon> yeah i was wonder which freqs ever get used
[10:24] <jcoxon> am in london and it seems pretty damn quiet
[10:24] <jcoxon> (i know its pretty dead these days)
[10:25] <EI5GTB> yea, i would have thought in london there would be a bit more activity..
[10:25] <jcoxon> i've found one repeater that gets some activity
[10:25] <jcoxon> but thats about it
[10:25] <jcoxon> lots of random noise - i guess car alarms etc
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[10:27] <edmoore> morning jcoxon
[10:27] <edmoore> and fnoble
[10:28] <jcoxon> morning edmoore
[10:29] <edmoore> how goes it?
[10:29] <edmoore> some nice js windows coming up
[10:29] <jcoxon> not bad thanks
[10:29] <jcoxon> when?
[10:29] <edmoore> this week
[10:30] <edmoore> eg wed
[10:30] <jcoxon> oh
[10:30] <jcoxon> ooo, nice
[10:30] <jcoxon> sadly can't do that
[10:31] <edmoore> how is prog anyhoo?
[10:33] <jcoxon> yeah
[10:33] <jcoxon> pretty much all done
[10:37] <rjharrison> Viking centre ababndined till next week
[10:37] <rjharrison> gordonjcp thanks for that
[10:38] <rjharrison> abandoned
[10:58] <EI5GTB> breakfast time
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[11:20] <rjharrison> gordonjcp: There is some intresting stuff in that directory. I assum that is a conv with the international space statison
[11:20] <gordonjcp> yup
[11:21] <gordonjcp> a school near Coventry iirc
[11:22] <rjharrison> And the images is that sstv decodes
[11:25] <gordonjcp> they are
[11:27] <jcoxon> gordonjcp, does the ISS continually transmit SSTV?
[11:27] <gordonjcp> no
[11:28] <gordonjcp> it was a burst every couple of minutes
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[11:28] <jcoxon> as in if it was to go over now would it be occasionally tramsitting?
[11:29] <gordonjcp> might be, not sure if they're doing it just now
[11:29] <jcoxon> morning RocketBoy
[11:30] <RocketBoy> hi chaps
[11:31] <rjharrison> Morning RocketBoy
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[11:42] <rjharrison> RocketBoy PM'ed you
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[12:39] <Laurenceb> hello
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[13:15] <rjharrison> Right I'm off to b&q to get some guide ropes for my antenna.
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[14:18] <rjharrison> About to put my erection up expect a picture in an hour or less
[14:18] <Xenion> hello
[14:18] <rjharrison> hi Xenion it an antenna
[14:18] <rjharrison> it's
[14:18] <RocketBoy> ugg the mind boggles
[14:18] <SpeedEvil> :)
[14:19] <SpeedEvil> altitude?
[14:19] <Xenion> did someone encountered problems using lithium polymer akkus at height of more than 10km ?
[14:19] <RocketBoy> no pictures please ;-)
[14:19] <Xenion> rjharrison, antenna ?!
[14:19] <SpeedEvil> Xenion: as far as I understand, no
[14:19] <jcoxon> Xenion, SpeedEvil, it hasn't really been tested yet
[14:19] <SpeedEvil> Xenion: I've raised concerns about them possibly swelling, especially if they are drawn heavily from, but nobodies reported it happening.
[14:19] <Xenion> SpeedEvil, some friend told me .. these things may explode due to problems with the pressure
[14:20] <Xenion> SpeedEvil, drawn ?
[14:20] <jcoxon> i'm flying one next weekend, powering my gm862
[14:20] <SpeedEvil> And if they swell - they could possibly burst into flames.
[14:20] <SpeedEvil> high current
[14:20] <Xenion> SpeedEvil, you mean if i heavily use them ?
[14:20] <Xenion> jcoxon, what did the others used so far ?
[14:20] <jcoxon> energizer lithiums
[14:20] <jcoxon> they definitely work
[14:20] <SpeedEvil> At least I'd put them between a couple of sheets of cardboard, so they won't really swell.
[14:21] <Xenion> i mean LiPo akkus are great .. less weight more power
[14:21] <Xenion> cardboard ?
[14:21] <SpeedEvil> I have a few 18650s I plan on using for my ZP attempt in the future
[14:22] <Xenion> ZP ?
[14:22] <SpeedEvil> Zero Pressure - a non-elastic balloon
[14:22] <SpeedEvil> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corrugated_fiberboard
[14:22] <Xenion> i see
[14:23] <Xenion> SpeedEvil, would something like this not even burn "better"
[14:23] <Xenion> ..
[14:23] <Xenion> it looks like a pretty good way to get my ballon fried
[14:23] <jcoxon> enough O2 to burn?
[14:23] <SpeedEvil> Xenion: the idea is to keep the cell in shape by providing external pressure
[14:23] <edmoore> a cardboard balloon?
[14:23] <Xenion> i see
[14:23] <Xenion> jcoxon, right
[14:24] <Xenion> hm
[14:24] <SpeedEvil> But I'm using cylindrical cells which don't have this problem.
[14:24] <Xenion> SpeedEvil, hum
[14:24] <SpeedEvil> theoretical problem
[14:24] <Xenion> i'm just using very very cheap cells of LiPo
[14:24] <Xenion> i've got them for 50pences
[14:24] <Xenion> 4.2V 2200mAh
[14:24] <jcoxon> Xenion, these are the best
[14:24] <jcoxon> http://www.energizer.com/products/hightech-batteries/lithium/Pages/lithium-batteries.aspx
[14:25] <Xenion> quiet good values for extreme low prices
[14:25] <jcoxon> while they are one use only they have been thoroughly tested
[14:26] <Xenion> jcoxon, akkus are bad for multi use either
[14:26] <Xenion> i have 8 akkus lying around which have been recharged to death ..
[14:26] <jcoxon> akkus?
[14:26] <Xenion> you can charge them for 2 hours and they need 10 minutes to break down
[14:27] <edmoore> certainly recommended for your first flight - if it goes wrong it won't be the bateries fault, which is useful information
[14:27] <SpeedEvil> Cheap Li-po can be of _very_ poor quality.
[14:27] <Xenion> jcoxon, sorry in germany we say "akkumulatoren" in short "akku" i think in englisch ther's only "battery" or do you have a specific name for rechargable batterys ?
[14:27] <SpeedEvil> Xenion: accumulator is used - but very rarely
[14:27] <Xenion> edmoore, thanks
[14:27] <Xenion> i see
[14:28] <jcoxon> yeah, they are usually called rechargable batteries
[14:28] <Xenion> edmoore, my point is i don't have extensive knowledge in this area so it is wise to use something tested
[14:28] <SpeedEvil> Xenion: cell - one electrochemical device - or battery - many cells in series/parallel is used. rechargable before it if rechargeable.
[14:28] <SpeedEvil> Xenion: where are you gettting the cheap cells?
[14:28] <Xenion> jcoxon, yeah thats quite long compared to just "akku" ^^
[14:28] <jcoxon> Xenion, maybe we should adopt the german then :-)
[14:29] <Xenion> SpeedEvil, ther's a german reseller who buys stuff from company who produced to much or got sold www.pollin.de
[14:29] <Xenion> jcoxon, you could say "accu"
[14:30] <Xenion> where can i buy these energizer batterys ? ( i know i could search hours for a drugstore or photoshop which sells them .. )
[14:30] <Xenion> lets se if they have a webshop
[14:31] <jcoxon> Xenion, if you look around there are quite often deals on in camera shops
[14:31] <Xenion> http://www.energizer.com/Pages/where-to-buy-online.aspx
[14:31] <Xenion> let's see if this helps
[14:32] <Xenion> jcoxon, i had a bycicling accident today .. i'm not good at walking right now .. so ordering online would be great ^^
[14:32] <jcoxon> oh no, hope you are okay!
[14:33] <Xenion> i'm fine .. more or less .. but it hurts quite a lot
[14:34] <Xenion> maybe i stay at home tomorrow
[14:34] <Xenion> thnaks for the help so far :-)
[14:34] <jcoxon> np
[14:40] <RocketBoy> bbl
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[15:38] <Laurenceb> hello folks
[15:41] <Laurenceb> RocketBoy: you about?
[15:44] <Laurenceb> nvm I'm off
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[16:22] <rjharrison> My new erection having survived the pouring rain http://www.robertharrison.org/files/radio/IMG_0362.JPG
[16:22] <rjharrison> :)
[16:26] <jcoxon> rjharrison, wow
[16:26] <jcoxon> thats quite tall
[16:26] <jcoxon> can we just call it an antenna mast from now on
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[16:28] <SpeedEvil> rjharrison: Did you call a professional erection service?
[16:31] <edmoore> *generic willy joke*
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[16:33] <jcoxon> edmoore, you away 1/2 nov?
[16:33] <edmoore> certainly the 1st
[16:34] <jcoxon> oh okay
[16:34] <edmoore> probably back some time on the 2nd
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[16:48] <jcoxon> hmmmm, whats teh best way i test my radio in london with out getting strange looks?
[16:48] <jcoxon> set the payload up at home and take the radio out in a back pack with earphones?
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[16:54] <rjharrison> jcoxon haha
[16:54] <rjharrison> Yes
[16:54] <rjharrison> sorry had to sort the kids out, (My turn) Antenna is down
[16:54] <edmoore> what's happening?
[16:54] <jcoxon> edmoore, oh i was trying to think of a non-weird way to test my radio in london
[16:55] <jcoxon> set the payload up at home and then go out with the radio in my backpack with earphones
[16:55] <rjharrison> and i put my new antenna up http://www.robertharrison.org/files/radio/IMG_0362.JPG
[16:55] <edmoore> what is a weird way?
[16:55] <edmoore> what freq?
[16:55] <SpeedEvil> Payload strapped to helmet?
[16:55] <jcoxon> well running around london with a payload might look weird
[16:57] <jcoxon> rjharrison, i've been playing with MMSSTV, it doesn't sync as well as macrobot does
[16:57] <rjharrison> Ok thanks for that
[16:58] <rjharrison> I just install mmsstv so I'll go back to the mac option
[16:58] <jcoxon> but the one advantage about mmsstv is that if you leave it running it'll autodetect an sstv image
[16:59] <jcoxon> while macrobot requires you to press recieve
[16:59] <rjharrison> I'm going to have a play with the sstv stuff before next w/e.
[17:00] <jcoxon> okay col
[17:00] <jcoxon> *cool
[17:00] <rjharrison> Can you post an sstv file up for decode. I do gordonjcp's but just incase yours is different in any way
[17:00] <jcoxon> well i'll see if i can mmsstv working as its a nice program
[17:00] <jcoxon> yeah
[17:00] <jcoxon> i'll record my next cycle of transmissions
[17:01] <rjharrison> Great
[17:02] <rjharrison> I should be able to set up a mobile base station now anywhere I need it. I like the idea of heading out to the landing zone and setting up base to track incomming payload.
[17:03] <jcoxon> ooooo fixed it
[17:03] <rjharrison> Waht was broje
[17:03] <rjharrison> broke
[17:03] <jcoxon> you need to change the sample rate and add autosync
[17:03] <jcoxon> mmsstv's syncing
[17:03] <rjharrison> ahh
[17:03] <rjharrison> Best let me know the setting sir
[17:04] <rjharrison> It may take me all night otherwise
[17:04] <jcoxon> sample rate to 12000
[17:04] <jcoxon> its on the website :-)
[17:04] <rjharrison> Don't tell me what the picture is I'll see it when I figure it out
[17:04] <rjharrison> On my way.
[17:07] <rjharrison> jcoxon on the pegasus or ukhas
[17:07] <jcoxon> oh
[17:07] <jcoxon> i meant the setting change :-p
[17:07] <rjharrison> http://www.pegasushabproject.org.uk/wiki/doku.php/missions:pegasus6
[17:07] <jcoxon> i haven't uploaded the file yet
[17:08] <jcoxon> hmmm macrobot is better quality
[17:08] <rjharrison> I couldn't see the setting there. I'll look again
[17:10] <jcoxon> have you got mmsstv installed?
[17:10] <jcoxon> go to options, setup MMSSTV
[17:11] <jcoxon> then go to misc and change the clock to 12000
[17:18] <rjharrison> Have dome
[17:19] <jcoxon> rjharrison, http://www.pegasushabproject.org.uk/wiki/lib/exe/fetch.php/missions:pegasus.ogg.zip?id=missions%3Apegasus6&cache=cache
[17:20] <jcoxon> oh also in options you might want to select auto sync
[17:21] <SpeedEvil> OMG - Elvis!
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[17:35] <jcoxon> rjharrison, working?
[17:36] <rjharrison> Yep somthing happend got a very slanted picture
[17:36] <rjharrison> let me go again
[17:36] <gordonjcp> 2 tics, I'm just back in
[17:36] Action: gordonjcp will attempt to decode it shortly
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[17:37] <jcoxon> rjharrison, what are you using? MMSSTV?
[17:41] <rjharrison> I can see the xbox
[17:42] <rjharrison> + tv
[17:42] <rjharrison> I hope that's right
[17:42] <rjharrison> Or something really weird is happening
[17:42] <rjharrison> :)
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[17:43] <rjharrison> There is a whole load of data on the bottom
[17:44] <jcoxon> those are the gps coords
[17:44] <jcoxon> time, lat, lon, alt, speed, bearing
[17:49] <rjharrison> Nice
[17:49] <rjharrison> I assume that is your abode in the picture
[17:50] <rjharrison> That stamp is cool. I assume it pretty much matches when the pic is taken
[17:50] <jcoxon> yeah when the picture is take it grabs the gps string then overlays it
[17:51] <rjharrison> Well done sir. Fingers x'ed for next w/e
[17:51] <jcoxon> hmmmm i might switch to using MMSSTV
[17:51] <jcoxon> just as you can ignore it and it'll recieve the image
[17:51] <rjharrison> Bath time with kids be back later
[17:51] <rjharrison> BTW waht
[17:51] <rjharrison> opps
[17:51] <rjharrison> What time is it in the UK atm
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[17:53] <jcoxon> 17.53
[17:53] <rjharrison> haha the wife put the clock the wrong way an hour ago and we have put the baby to bed 2hrs early
[17:53] <jcoxon> :-)
[17:54] Action: rjharrison thinks fall back spring forward
[17:55] <SpeedEvil> rjharrison: Shhh! Don't tell it! Maybe it doesn't know about summer-winter-time.
[18:01] <Hiena> Yeah. More ballooning time.
[18:28] <rjharrison> More coding time. Out of interest you experianced ones. What time of year do we tend to get the best conditions for launches. Obv. summer has the advantage of time to find the balloon though to be fair if the gps is working that should be cut down to minutes
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[18:29] <rjharrison> fnoble you're cusf. I looked at all the video from your last launch and it's fantastic
[18:36] <rjharrison> jcoxon: If you're there just for completeness this is what I got http://www.robertharrison.org/files/radio/jc.jpg
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[18:44] <jcoxon> rjharrison, yeah that looks right
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[19:31] <rjharrison> jcoxon: Any hints on decoding the rtty in that file. I have set the baud 300 and the shift 200Hz but I get a load of golbaldygook
[19:31] <rjharrison> using mmtty
[19:54] <jcoxon> ascii 8
[19:54] <jcoxon> rjharrison, use truetty - tis the best
[19:57] <rjharrison> Right got there in the end
[19:58] <jcoxon> all working?
[19:58] <rjharrison> I'm getting a few stray chars at the end of each sentance
[19:58] <rjharrison> ÿ·ÿ™ö¯APU16N M6JCX ,17:11:46,51.498372,-0.052057,240.5M,0.059,190.24,31
[19:58] <rjharrison> It looks like this
[19:58] <jcoxon> thats right
[19:59] <rjharrison> The firt bit looks weird and I get it on every line
[19:59] <jcoxon> the APU16N?
[19:59] <jcoxon> yeah ignore that - its to do with packet stuff
[20:00] <rjharrison> Ok at least that is english it's the other few initial chars
[20:00] <jcoxon> oh right
[20:01] <rjharrison> It might be my threshhold. Should I just get nice claen sentances
[20:01] <jcoxon> you know hte wave form
[20:01] <rjharrison> Yep
[20:01] <jcoxon> and the 2 decoding lines you can move around
[20:02] <rjharrison> Got it
[20:02] <rjharrison> :)
[20:02] <jcoxon> i find that if you put the far right one as close to the edge as possible it gets better
[20:02] <rjharrison> Awsum dude
[20:02] <jcoxon> with mmtty?
[20:02] <rjharrison> Using some weird shit called mixw
[20:03] <rjharrison> Will try several others now I know what I'm doing. On this one at least you are inverted
[20:03] <jcoxon> fair enough
[20:03] <jcoxon> yeah if you decode say badgers rtty there are more distinict peaks
[20:03] <jcoxon> however with this rtty its more of a continous uplift (like a plateau
[20:03] <jcoxon> )
[20:04] <jcoxon> its due to the shaping of the signal - in theory increases the range and also reduces intereference
[20:04] <jcoxon> but the range increase is debatale
[20:04] <jcoxon> debatable
[20:05] <rjharrison> I was wondering about the merrits of using cw. The problem is that it's easy for the average person to decode and then follow up. I wonder how many people hear your rtty and never decode it
[20:05] <jcoxon> the big advantage of rtty is that you get the data quickly
[20:06] <rjharrison> I'm thinking rtty might be the better way to go forward for anonimity
[20:06] <rjharrison> That too
[20:06] <jcoxon> while CW requires maintaining reception
[20:06] <jcoxon> rjharrison, oh i wouldn't worry to much about that
[20:06] <rjharrison> True though to be fair it worked for me nicely if a little slow
[20:07] <rjharrison> Very slow.
[20:07] <jcoxon> i mean the rtty i'm using its pretty damn fast
[20:07] <rjharrison> Yep
[20:07] <jcoxon> i'm getting a string every 3 secs or so
[20:07] <rjharrison> Very
[20:07] <jcoxon> should be fine
[20:07] <jcoxon> also the phone is working great
[20:07] <rjharrison> I wish I had that I may have logged a few more meters
[20:08] <rjharrison> That is quit a bonus. There will be a day when i wish I had that
[20:08] <rjharrison> quite
[20:08] <jcoxon> its the old school way of doing things
[20:09] <rjharrison> So I see I have just glance over the prevoius missions rtty is relativly new
[20:09] <rjharrison> Your payloads must be getting alot lighter
[20:09] <jcoxon> welll
[20:10] <jcoxon> mine could be a lot lighter if i stripped down the camera
[20:10] <jcoxon> the phone works really well
[20:10] <rjharrison> The unobtainable goliath
[20:10] <rjharrison> Hummmmmmmm
[20:10] <rjharrison> IWOOT
[20:10] <rjharrison> :)
[20:10] <jcoxon> haha
[20:10] <jcoxon> damn goliath
[20:11] <jcoxon> i'll get it working oneday
[20:11] <rjharrison> ooh You not using the goliath
[20:11] <jcoxon> not on peg VI
[20:11] <jcoxon> gpsstix
[20:11] <rjharrison> what are you using
[20:11] <jcoxon> gumstix verdex + gpsstix + gm862
[20:15] <rjharrison> nice
[20:16] <rjharrison> how much u pay 4 gm862?
[20:16] <jcoxon> hmmm about ?65 i think
[20:16] <rjharrison> it looks so nice
[20:16] <jcoxon> i had it lying around from firefly
[20:16] <jcoxon> hmmm its okay
[20:16] <rjharrison> humm not cheep but worth while
[20:16] <jcoxon> a small phone would be better probably
[20:17] <rjharrison> Interfacing it and weight
[20:17] <rjharrison> Though could use usb off gumstix
[20:17] <jcoxon> most phones are serial anyway
[20:17] <jcoxon> i've got a feature freeze right now but i'm ready to set up gprs as well
[20:18] <jcoxon> to allow me to login before launch and also so that the payload can upload the kml on landing :-D
[20:20] <rjharrison> Sounds perfect
[20:21] <rjharrison> This is all using gumstix as your primary cpu
[20:21] <jcoxon> yup
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[20:21] <rjharrison> there is some advantage to have that power and cost onboard
[20:21] <jcoxon> the gumstix does everything
[20:21] <jcoxon> now that RocketBoy and I have cracked doing radio through the audio card it makes it a lot more versitile
[20:21] <jcoxon> hence the sstv, packet and rtty
[20:21] <rjharrison> My beacon test the other day was lucky. I'm still thinking I could have lost everything
[20:22] <jcoxon> it was lucky - but worked throughout hte flight so something must of worked :-D
[20:22] <rjharrison> Therefor cheep box = good
[20:22] <jcoxon> rjharrison, hence why i'm being cautious about launching
[20:22] <rjharrison> No shit... There is going to be somthing upwards of .5K going up there
[20:23] <jcoxon> nah
[20:24] <jcoxon> canon a60 - ?20, gm862 - ?65 (but used before), gumstix ?70, gpsstix - free (from gumstix), radiometrix - ?20
[20:24] <jcoxon> ?200 total
[20:25] <jcoxon> or did you mean weight ::-D
[20:27] <rjharrison> Ok thats not so bad
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[20:28] <rjharrison> Thinking about it the other day 32GB Card (150) camera a560(85) SKII+reciver(50) + UV filter (15)
[20:29] <rjharrison> I'm only using 8gb SD cards from now on
[20:30] <rjharrison> only shot 2gb in last flight
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[20:30] <rjharrison> evening ed
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[20:33] <rjharrison> jcoxon: what is the total weight at the moment
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[20:35] <jcoxon> rjharrison, hmmm i don't know - i'm haven't got any lithiums in
[20:35] <jcoxon> 600g perhaps
[20:36] <rjharrison> Nice. It's amazing how much the box weighs before kit
[20:37] <rjharrison> And you are in 50mm
[20:37] <jcoxon> my box ain't too heavy
[20:38] <edmoore> he ain't heavy
[20:38] <edmoore> he's my payload
[20:39] <jcoxon> edmoore, ?!?!
[20:39] <jcoxon> :-)
[20:40] <rjharrison> lol
[20:41] <jcoxon> hmmm, need to get a sma male connector to build my antenna with
[20:41] <rjharrison> if you're in a rush i could get you one from farnell and post tomrrow
[20:42] <jcoxon> nah i can pop into maplins its fine
[20:42] <rjharrison> ooh they do them
[20:42] <jcoxon> there is one relatively close to the hospital
[20:42] <jcoxon> usually yeah, though twice the price often
[20:43] <rjharrison> I don't know farnel's not cheep
[20:44] <jcoxon> where did you get your antenna from (as in the one you put up today?)
[20:44] <rjharrison> Local ham shop
[20:45] <rjharrison> With poles and cable etc £110
[20:45] <jcoxon> wow , you have a local ham shop
[20:45] <rjharrison> antenna is 70, 2 and 6m
[20:45] <edmoore> there is such a thing as a local ham shop?
[20:45] <edmoore> cool
[20:45] <rjharrison> Yep about 15 mins drive
[20:46] <rjharrison> http://www.larcomms.co.uk/
[20:47] <jcoxon> very nice
[20:50] <rjharrison> I'm going to use you launch as a rtty test for me:) If I can get it here and decode it. I can probably get it any where. I see you have moved to your own call sign
[20:51] <jcoxon> rjharrison, you should be able to get it
[20:51] <jcoxon> i could hear your CW
[20:51] <jcoxon> decoding it was a different matter - i find hte rtty programs better then the CW
[20:52] <rjharrison> Did you have a choice on your call sign?
[20:52] <jcoxon> yup, well sort of
[20:53] <jcoxon> you can't see the list - just submit one and see if its accepted
[20:53] <rjharrison> Can you test to see if it's free and then take it
[20:53] <rjharrison> Whicked
[20:53] <jcoxon> there are a lot more M6 then M3
[20:53] <jcoxon> so you should be able to get pretty much any M6
[20:53] <rjharrison> I wonder how many M0 there are
[20:53] <edmoore> it's my M0 I am planning
[20:53] <rjharrison> hehe
[20:53] <edmoore> probably going to try for ODY
[20:53] <edmoore> ORE is taken, annoyingly
[20:54] <jcoxon> lol
[20:54] <rjharrison> loling
[20:54] <rjharrison> edmoore have you don your foundation?
[20:55] <rjharrison> dome
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[20:55] <edmoore> did foundation and intermediate practicals last weekend
[20:55] <edmoore> and have both exams friday next
[20:56] <edmoore> then onto full
[20:56] <edmoore> I have a morse lesson this tuesday too
[20:56] <rjharrison> I have just done the mocks for intermetiate and you're going to walk it provided you have brushed up on the ham stuff
[20:57] <rjharrison> Hum, morse. I that that was gone
[20:57] <rjharrison> I'm going to do my full in Feb
[20:58] <jcoxon> wow
[20:58] <jcoxon> all zipping along
[20:58] <rjharrison> Well that's the only one that looks slightly taxing.
[20:59] <edmoore> yeah, will definitely have to do some study for the full
[20:59] <rjharrison> The intermediate I sware I could pass with 1 day of reading and memorsing the book
[20:59] <rjharrison> swear
[21:00] <rjharrison> I blame you guys for all this time I have spent in the last 4 months ;-)
[21:00] <rjharrison> I keep telling the wife it's that jc's fault and ed
[21:01] <jcoxon> pah, don't blame us!
[21:01] <rjharrison> I have a big draw full of invoices too
[21:01] <rjharrison> And loads of nice new toys
[21:02] <rjharrison> natrium42 get's the real blame I'm sure he says you can do this for 500$ on his web ite
[21:02] <jcoxon> you can though
[21:02] <rjharrison> Yeah
[21:03] <jcoxon> just need to be careful, and research loads
[21:03] <jcoxon> and also not live next to Farnells
[21:03] <rjharrison> That is so true
[21:04] <rjharrison> This week I'm interfacing the logomaticV2 and sorting out keeping the last good gps position fix. JC do you test that you have a position fix from the GPS before updating the TX string
[21:05] <jcoxon> nope
[21:05] <jcoxon> though i perhaps should
[21:05] <rjharrison> So what happens when there is no fix data
[21:05] <jcoxon> you are screwed
[21:05] <rjharrison> This was what I was crapping about last launch
[21:05] <jcoxon> you can fox hunt it
[21:05] <jcoxon> and also do phone tracking
[21:05] <rjharrison> humm
[21:05] <rjharrison> humm again
[21:06] <edmoore> fox hunting is fun
[21:07] <rjharrison> Now I am going to test that the GPGGA and the GPRMC give position fixes before updating the TX and if not I'm going to mark the string as a last known guess
[21:07] <jcoxon> rjharrison, also i'm pumping out so much data - i'll always have the last string
[21:07] <jcoxon> you'll lose gps on landing perhaps
[21:07] <rjharrison> If you have a spare afternoon
[21:07] <jcoxon> but then you should have the track down
[21:07] <jcoxon> but yeah its a concern
[21:08] <rjharrison> Well what happend to me was the the gps locked up on landing and it kept sending the last coords out which was fortunate to say the least
[21:08] <jcoxon> lassen?
[21:08] <SpeedEvil> Check both lat/lon are sensible (+-1 degree of last 10 measurements), and not 0/0
[21:08] <rjharrison> Yep SKII
[21:08] <rjharrison> Well I just get ,,,,
[21:09] <jcoxon> oh yeah don't fall in to the 0.0 trap
[21:09] <rjharrison> But good point
[21:09] <jcoxon> if so for lat not lon
[21:09] <SpeedEvil> Check for marked reported invalid position, and under 4 sats
[21:11] <rjharrison> Just an idea. I would rather have the last known than just the word icarus which is what should have happened
[21:11] <SpeedEvil> and velocity >mach 1 (for reporting positions.
[21:11] <SpeedEvil> I've used replacing the decimal points with 'Z' before
[21:11] <SpeedEvil> on errors
[21:12] <rjharrison> Did I possibly g it out on impact
[21:12] <SpeedEvil> is it possible the connector jumped out, or the batteries spiked?
[21:12] <rjharrison> I still havent written to lassen tech support to find out what caused the lockout
[21:12] <edmoore> fnoble: ping if you're there
[21:14] <rjharrison> Well when I did disconnect the gps from the avr it just tx'ed icarus. Suggesting the GPS was still sending sentances with the position fixed and the time fixed. Basiclly not updating from the antenna. Normally if I remove the antenna it just drops the coords back to ,,,,,
[21:14] <jcoxon> rjharrison, disconnection of the antenna?
[21:14] <jcoxon> on landing?
[21:15] <rjharrison> I have pulled it out many times and It just sets the fields back to ,,,,
[21:15] <Xenion> good night
[21:16] <SpeedEvil> what was impact v?
[21:16] <Xenion> sleep well
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[21:16] <SpeedEvil> Niceht.
[21:16] <rjharrison> edmoore: I must congratulate you on your last launch I only looksed at the videos on friday as I wanted to save some of the excitment for my own launch. By god you got soe great footage that day
[21:16] <rjharrison> some
[21:16] <edmoore> which one was that?
[21:16] <rjharrison> 37km/h
[21:17] <SpeedEvil> If you fall, and get one or two sats only, you may get reported position that doesn't change
[21:17] <rjharrison> The ones where it was all joined together. I think its on fnoble's site
[21:17] <rjharrison> All the video and there is a camera stills video too
[21:17] <edmoore> oh that was james canvin I think
[21:18] <edmoore> the 360º panorama
[21:18] <rjharrison> No that was fantastic too
[21:18] <rjharrison> I did see that on the day
[21:18] <rjharrison> and I did see some stills
[21:18] <edmoore> you'll have to show my the one ya mean
[21:19] <rjharrison> http://www.unmannedspaceflight.com/index.php?s=162383015c17978d07b94c2d49d1afcb&showtopic=5427
[21:19] <rjharrison> weird
[21:19] <rjharrison> did you all get that bold?
[21:19] <rjharrison> hey ho
[21:19] <SpeedEvil> no
[21:20] <rjharrison> SpeedEvil I like your last idea. However the payload was still doing this sentance when I brought it back home
[21:21] <edmoore> http://vimeo.com/1626665
[21:21] <edmoore> i like that one
[21:22] <rjharrison> Yep thats good. There is a lot of kenetic energy released on burst
[21:23] <rjharrison> Was that a good landing with para working?
[21:23] <rjharrison> It was
[21:23] <rjharrison> I remember the video
[21:23] <edmoore> yeah
[21:23] <rjharrison> It looked inverted at the end of that clip
[21:23] <edmoore> pretty sound
[21:23] <edmoore> it had a major wobble for sure
[21:23] <rjharrison> Good burst
[21:24] <edmoore> they tend to sort themselves out though in the end
[21:24] <rjharrison> What was the separation between payload and balloon
[21:24] <edmoore> about 10m
[21:24] <rjharrison> I did about 10m on my attempt
[21:24] <rjharrison> Same
[21:24] <edmoore> but the parachute and payload seperation was not all that much, so there was a fair bit of chaos
[21:24] <rjharrison> Ahh I did 3m
[21:24] <rjharrison> No that it helped
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[21:57] <rjharrison> edmoore; jcoxon; RocketBoy just sent an email to you
[21:58] <edmoore> gotcha
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[22:07] <rjharrison> nights all
[22:07] <RocketBoy> night
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[22:58] <natrium43> hi
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[23:05] <Laurenceb> hello
[23:05] <SpeedEvil> Hello.
[23:05] <Laurenceb> hows life?
[23:05] <SpeedEvil> Meh.
[23:06] <Laurenceb> :P
[23:06] <Laurenceb> I just won 2 tvs on ebay :-/
[23:06] <SpeedEvil> I still need to fix my roof, and it's getting galey, I need to put in 50m of fence outside on my boundary fence, fix the shed, do more pointing on the gable-end, ...
[23:06] <Laurenceb> this is not good
[23:06] <natrium43> haha
[23:06] <Laurenceb> lol work
[23:06] <natrium43> and you need only one?
[23:06] <Laurenceb> I wanted one tv
[23:06] <SpeedEvil> Oops.
[23:06] <natrium43> pwned
[23:07] Action: SpeedEvil hugs esniper.
[23:07] <Laurenceb> I was *supposed* to be outbid
[23:07] <natrium43> sorry, i was afk
[23:07] <SpeedEvil> http://esniper.sourceforge.net/
[23:07] <natrium43> gixen! :P
[23:07] <natrium43> it's webbased
[23:07] <Laurenceb> I now have two 22" sony flatscreens
[23:08] <SpeedEvil> natrium43: esniper - it's command line, and runs on my router. (linksys box, not a large computer)
[23:08] <Laurenceb> one was only £5
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[23:08] <Laurenceb> te other £60
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[23:08] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: worst case, you just pay the 5 pounds, and say 'I bought it for you, it's a gift'
[23:09] <natrium43> whoa, tvs are cheap nowadays
[23:09] <Laurenceb> its cuz they are CRT
[23:09] <SpeedEvil> CRT ones, yes
[23:09] <natrium43> aah
[23:09] <natrium43> why would you buy CRT?
[23:09] Action: SpeedEvil recently purchased a freeview->VGA box
[23:09] <Laurenceb> despite the fact sony CRT are better than any LCD
[23:09] <natrium43> they are damn heavy
[23:09] <Laurenceb> CRT pwns LCD
[23:10] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: or you, if it falls on you.
[23:10] <Laurenceb> well maybe not an "x black" lcd
[23:10] Action: SpeedEvil yearns for proper displays.
[23:10] <Laurenceb> plasmas are good
[23:10] <SpeedEvil> I want virtual windows.
[23:10] <Laurenceb> I saw one at CUED
[23:10] <SpeedEvil> At least 2m across, 2048*2048*2048
[23:10] <Laurenceb> ages ago, when I went on a tour
[23:10] <SpeedEvil> That can give you a tan.
[23:11] <Laurenceb> lol
[23:11] <Laurenceb> basically a sheet of glass with a DLP projector in the base
[23:11] <SpeedEvil> Yeah.
[23:11] <SpeedEvil> 3D is harder.
[23:11] <Laurenceb> then the picture carefully "injected"
[23:11] <Laurenceb> with some optics
[23:11] <SpeedEvil> Have I mentioned my 3D display technology on here - I forget.
[23:12] <SpeedEvil> Take a closely packed array of spheres with appropriate refractive index - sold as reteroreflectors for mixing with paint.
[23:12] <Laurenceb> hmm
[23:12] <SpeedEvil> On the upper half, place phosphor patterns by a photoresist process of some form a simple sky scene.
[23:13] <SpeedEvil> Light from above with UV
[23:13] <SpeedEvil> This only really works for low spacial resolution - 10*10 or less really.
[23:14] <SpeedEvil> But that's fine for a virtual blue sky
[23:16] <SpeedEvil> Going to spheres larger than 0.5mm or so boosts resolution, but enormously boosts price too
[23:16] <SpeedEvil> you can buy the little high index spheres in 25Kg drums to be mixed into road surfaces.
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[23:16] <SpeedEvil> You really, really don't want to think about the price of buying proper optical ones when you're talking of displays that take up the whole ceiling.
[23:18] <natrium43> hi jcoxon
[23:19] <jcoxon> hey
[23:19] <natrium43> been playing with my radio
[23:19] <jcoxon> :-)
[23:19] Action: SpeedEvil ponders.
[23:19] <natrium43> heard canary islands yesterday on 40 meter
[23:19] <natrium43> PSK-31
[23:20] <natrium43> i think my antenna isn't good
[23:20] Action: SpeedEvil wonders how reteroreflectors on a balloon would work.
[23:20] <natrium43> long wire, 5 ft above ground
[23:20] <SpeedEvil> (for laser)
[23:20] <natrium43> for example, i can hear a US station talking to ukraine
[23:20] <natrium43> but i can't hear the replies
[23:21] <natrium43> maybe if i raised the antenna higher
[23:21] <natrium43> :S
[23:21] <jcoxon> wow
[23:21] <jcoxon> i'm stuck on 70cm - its dead
[23:23] <natrium43> by the way, my google talk is out
[23:23] <jcoxon> oh nice
[23:23] <jcoxon> link?
[23:23] <natrium43> http://research.google.com/video.html
[23:23] <natrium43> i hope they haven't cut my advertisement for this channel
[23:24] <natrium43> still have to watch it
[23:25] <jcoxon> wow an hour long
[23:25] <natrium43> i had a choice between 45 min and 1 hour
[23:26] <natrium43> bah, automatic CW decoding sucks
[23:26] <natrium43> "T N ESTERKT TTODE SCREWS UP T H E 7 MH Z CAT BAND EV THR PLENT Y RO MT M B I AND *TATH Y D O THENM NO T GO T"
[23:28] <natrium43> perhaps it only works well for computer encoded CW
[23:29] <jcoxon> yeah the channel bit is there
[23:30] <natrium43> nice
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