highaltitude.log.20081009

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[00:03] <Laurenceb> hello
[00:08] <Laurenceb> Just got back from watching Sweeny Todd at the theatre - first time I've been in ages
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[08:12] <jcoxon> morning all
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[08:51] <jcoxon> morning natrium42
[08:51] <natrium42> hey
[08:51] <natrium42> i managed to do a panorama
[08:51] <natrium42> from the videos of my flight
[08:51] <jcoxon> nice
[08:51] <natrium42> didn't think it was possible :D
[08:51] <jcoxon> did you use any particular software
[08:52] <natrium42> autopano pro
[08:52] <natrium42> it does it automagically
[08:52] <jcoxon> oooo cool
[08:52] <jcoxon> haha
[08:52] <jcoxon> thats amazing
[08:52] <natrium42> just give it a folder full of pics
[08:52] <natrium42> one sec, i'll upload
[08:54] <natrium42> http://natrium42.com/gallery2/v/balloon/panorama3.jpg.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[08:54] <natrium42> and the polar one:
[08:54] <jcoxon> that looks great
[08:54] <natrium42> http://natrium42.com/gallery2/v/balloon/panorama3-polar.jpg.html
[08:54] <jcoxon> :-D
[08:54] <natrium42> :)
[08:55] <natrium42> decent quality for a video, imo
[08:57] <jcoxon> yeah it looks good
[08:57] <jcoxon> natrium42, doing any projects right now?
[08:58] <natrium42> yeah, a commercial one for iphone
[08:58] <jcoxon> cool
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[13:11] <Laurenceb> hello
[13:15] <jcoxon> hey Laurenceb
[13:16] <Laurenceb> any launches coming up?
[13:19] <Laurenceb> SSTV ?
[13:21] <jcoxon> still working on it
[13:21] <jcoxon> perhaps next weekend
[13:24] <Laurenceb> cool
[13:24] <Laurenceb> have you got it running on SSB ?
[13:25] <Laurenceb> oh I missed that yaesu scanner :-(
[13:26] <jcoxon> indeed
[13:27] <Laurenceb> nice, does macrobots sstv mind a frequency shift?
[13:27] <jcoxon> it seems to work
[13:28] <Laurenceb> interesting
[13:28] <jcoxon> you'd have to talk to rocketboy - he sorted teh code
[13:28] <Laurenceb> hopefuilly I'll be on this evening
[13:31] <jcoxon> urgh i can't remember how to do this damn camera code
[13:38] <Laurenceb> webcam?
[13:38] <jcoxon> no, canon a60
[13:38] <Laurenceb> ah the firmware?
[13:38] <jcoxon> i've got a command line program to use it
[13:38] <jcoxon> remote via the usb cable
[13:38] <jcoxon> but i just can't work out the right command to use
[13:39] <Laurenceb> I see
[13:39] <Laurenceb> whats your view on the bank bailouts?
[13:40] <jcoxon> tis a necessary evil
[13:40] <Laurenceb> sure, but have they gone too far
[13:40] <SpeedEvil> Look at the results.
[13:40] <SpeedEvil> The LIBOR hasn't shot down
[13:41] <Laurenceb> its just adding to the national debt
[13:42] <SpeedEvil> There is adding to the national debt.
[13:42] <Laurenceb> they could have spend it on solar thermal energy in the sahara
[13:42] <Laurenceb> or a HVDC european grid
[13:42] <SpeedEvil> And there is the financial system shutting down, and causing more economic damage.
[13:42] Action: SpeedEvil wants nuclear.
[13:42] <Laurenceb> hehe
[13:42] <SpeedEvil> 18* or so the current nuclear stations.
[13:42] <Laurenceb> create a nationalised bank
[13:43] <SpeedEvil> Swap _all_ fixed loads onto nuclear-electric - heating, process-heat, ...
[13:43] <Laurenceb> sure, what about transients?
[13:43] <SpeedEvil> That drops your CO2 emissions dramatically, as well as reducing imports of oil.
[13:43] <Laurenceb> solar thermal looks good to me
[13:43] <Laurenceb> stick it in the sahara then have a HVDC grid
[13:44] <SpeedEvil> And what about the nice friendly countries it must pass through?
[13:44] <Laurenceb> well I'm sure north african states would be happy for ther investment
[13:46] <Laurenceb> yes there is a difference, 250G£ will probably never be spent, and much of the rest may eventually be recouped
[13:47] <SpeedEvil> Sure they would.
[13:47] <Laurenceb> but the same is true for an healthcare or infrastructure investment
[13:47] <SpeedEvil> And why should we pay - and continue paying - for north african electricity?
[13:47] <Laurenceb> as it costs mo9ney to make?
[13:48] <Laurenceb> what sort of stupid question is that
[13:48] <SpeedEvil> If you send money overseas to pay for an import, you have to sell other stuff outside the country to get the foreign exchange earnings.
[13:49] <SpeedEvil> If however you build local power stations, the money all stays in the local economy.
[13:49] <SpeedEvil> (neglecting fuel costs for nuclear)
[13:49] <Laurenceb> most of the hardware would be assembled in the eurozone
[13:49] <Laurenceb> anyway africa needs investment
[13:51] <Laurenceb> I hate people who worship the "economy" like a religion
[13:51] <Laurenceb> its just an abstract concept
[13:55] <Laurenceb> when capitalist principles are applied to e.g. the NHS you see how stupid it is
[13:55] <Laurenceb> e.g. fining poorly performing hospitals wtf
[13:56] <Laurenceb> we just have to accept that capitalism has failed
[13:58] <SpeedEvil> Economy is an abstract concept, yes.
[13:58] <SpeedEvil> Find a better one and implement it.
[13:58] <SpeedEvil> And no, it's not.
[13:58] <Laurenceb> what really matters is free distribution of knowledge
[13:59] <Laurenceb> and fair sharing of resources
[13:59] <Laurenceb> not profit
[13:59] <SpeedEvil> To each according to their needs hasn't worked so well in the past.
[13:59] <Laurenceb> oh well I'm off to a lecture
[13:59] <SpeedEvil> Wave.
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[14:31] <SpeedEvil> Anyone happen to have come across any DECT modules?
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[16:41] <rharrison> Hi all
[16:41] <rharrison> How's it going?
[16:46] <gordonjcp> rharrison: not bad
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[16:56] <fnoble> rharrison, there should have been some example code in the body of the email
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[17:32] <edmoore> fnoble: yo
[17:32] <fnoble> hello
[17:33] <fnoble> i will have to leave the maypole at about 8:15
[17:33] <fnoble> as its a friends birthday
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[17:46] <jcoxon> afternoon all
[18:02] <SpeedEvil> Simple food++
[18:02] <SpeedEvil> Diced beef + onion + carrot + leek + turnip + a few spices + 6 hours = yum.
[18:04] <jcoxon> hehe, sounds good
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[19:57] <rharrison> evening all
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[19:58] <rharrison> Been busy recovering from share loss on RBS
[19:58] <rharrison> being :)
[19:58] <rharrison> Hopefully it will recover in the long run
[19:59] <SpeedEvil> Invest in helium futures!
[20:00] <SpeedEvil> It's clearly going to be needed for airships, with the increasing price of fuel making jet travel too expensive.
[20:00] <rharrison> Well fuel has fallen to ~90$ a barrell
[20:01] <rharrison> Anyhow RBS made 5% back today
[20:01] <rharrison> Just another 55% to break even
[20:02] <rharrison> In the long run they'll come back I hope
[20:09] <rharrison> Right on to far more important things. Any sign of the weather pickingup
[20:09] <rharrison> Any lanuches planned for the w.e
[20:18] Action: SpeedEvil watches vultures on TV, and ponders them as surveilance platforms.
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[20:23] <Xenion> Guten Abend / Good evening folks :-D
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[20:35] <rharrison> fnoble Ping
[20:35] <natrium42> rharrison, how is weather outlook>
[20:35] <natrium42> ?
[20:35] <rharrison> Hum not goot
[20:35] <rharrison> good
[20:36] <rharrison> I'm thinking that the w/e after next is looking better than this w/e
[20:36] <natrium42> bah, UK...
[20:36] <rharrison> 'Icarus I' is nearly ready.
[20:37] <natrium42> so it's going to be icarus launch>
[20:37] <rharrison> I'm after a camera script from fnoble and then I'm done.
[20:37] <natrium42> ah
[20:37] <natrium42> wait, does icarus use tiltable camera?
[20:37] <rharrison> Icarus II will]
[20:37] <natrium42> how are you synching it to the script?
[20:37] <rharrison> This is really a glorified beacon test
[20:38] <natrium42> oh, ok
[20:38] <rharrison> ie one with a camera looking out the side
[20:38] <natrium42> hehe, can you really call it a beacon? :)
[20:38] <natrium42> it seems to do much more
[20:38] <rharrison> The next launch. Hopefully from my house will use the servo assisted camera
[20:38] <natrium42> k
[20:39] <natrium42> have you seen the panorama i made early morning?
[20:39] <rharrison> Like you say both the camera and servo control are from the avr
[20:40] <rharrison> Sync issues other wise. Apparently chdk will allow you to sync using output from the USB port but I'm not sure I want to go down that route
[20:40] <natrium42> aah
[20:40] <natrium42> that's true
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[20:42] <natrium42> hi lb
[20:42] <Laurenceb> hello
[20:42] <Laurenceb> wow loads of people
[20:42] <natrium42> yeah, but most of them are jiffe
[20:42] <Laurenceb> I just finished installing the gps, ant, and flight computer in my enclosure
[20:42] <Laurenceb> seems to work
[20:43] <Laurenceb> just the radio now
[20:44] <rharrison> Laurenceb nice one any plans for a lunch date?
[20:44] <Laurenceb> hopefully november some time
[20:44] <rharrison> I'm looking at the weekend after next at the moment
[20:44] <Laurenceb> cool
[20:44] <rharrison> bloody uk weather
[20:44] <Laurenceb> I wont be ready that soon
[20:44] <fnoble> rharrison, pong - only here very briefly
[20:44] <Laurenceb> need to test well
[20:44] <fnoble> rharrison, was the script not in the email?
[20:45] <Laurenceb> edmoore_ ping
[20:45] <rharrison> Hi fnoble: I was wondering if you could send me the script for the a560 firmware as I can't find any docs on the firmwware to get video and pics working together
[20:45] <rharrison> the basic script
[20:46] <rharrison> Unless of couse its (c) CCUF
[20:46] <rharrison> CUSF even
[20:46] <rharrison> I think my fingers are dying
[20:47] <fnoble> no, your welcome to it
[20:47] <fnoble> doug wrote it
[20:48] <Laurenceb> rharrison: how are you getting on with avr ?
[20:48] <natrium42> it's love at first sight!
[20:48] <natrium42> right?
[20:49] <Laurenceb> hehe
[20:49] <fnoble> rharrison, email sent
[20:49] <rharrison> Niceone, edmoore said as much. I was following dougs discussion on the chdk forum and saw that the firmware was developed by some guys on there. But I could not find any dos for it
[20:49] <fnoble> rharrison, that should get you started
[20:49] <rharrison> Laurenceb: AVR is fantastic
[20:49] <rharrison> Few teathers getting it all to work initially very poor docs for the absolute beginner
[20:50] <rharrison> I hope to write some stuff up at some point
[20:50] <fnoble> ok, bye
[20:50] <rharrison> Thanks fnoble
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[20:50] <rharrison> Wow that was quick
[20:50] <Laurenceb> there are some good tutorials online if you look around enough
[20:51] <natrium42> Laurenceb, seen my panorama? http://natrium42.com/gallery2/v/balloon/panorama3-polar.jpg.html
[20:51] <natrium42> autopano pro ftw
[20:51] <natrium42> that's from spinning videos converted to images
[20:52] <rharrison> Yep but not ones that cover things like ISP standard pinouts. I was shafted for a good few days when my bloody ATmega32 was designed with a reversed isp connector
[20:52] <Laurenceb> nice work
[20:52] <Laurenceb> rharrison: you mean MOSI and MISO ?
[20:52] <rharrison> No the whole f'ing connector. Pin1 was pin 8
[20:53] <rharrison> No the whole f'ing connector. Pin1 was pin 10
[20:53] <Laurenceb> I see
[20:53] <rharrison> After a bit of reading I realised this, but not before buying 5 programmers
[20:53] <natrium42> lecture time, later
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[20:54] <rharrison> natrium42 did you do the panorama?
[20:54] <rharrison> Missed him
[20:54] <Laurenceb> 5 programmers :(
[20:54] <rharrison> I wonder if that other person did it who did the CUSF ones
[20:55] <rharrison> James someone or other ! coxon
[20:55] <rharrison> ! = NOT
[20:55] <Laurenceb> I've got a couple of parallel port ones and a usb progger
[21:08] <rharrison> Nice one
[21:09] <Laurenceb> ooh http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7657768.stm
[21:10] <Laurenceb> thats what I'm working on atm
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[22:18] <rharrison> evening rocketboy
[22:22] <rocketboy> hiya rharrison
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[22:40] <edmoore_> hi all
[22:42] <rocketboy> Hi ed
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[22:59] <jcoxon> hey everyone
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[22:59] <rocketboy> hey jcoxon - hows it going?
[22:59] <jcoxon> rocketboy, i've got my camera set up with the gumstix
[22:59] <jcoxon> haven't been very well :-(
[22:59] <rocketboy> spiffing
[22:59] <jcoxon> but i'm surviving :-)
[23:00] <jcoxon> i've actually got all that set up for sstv on fm
[23:00] <jcoxon> we still need to decide about the order of the formats etc
[23:00] <rocketboy> sorry to hear that
[23:00] <rocketboy> yeh - it would be nice to test a few formats
[23:01] <jcoxon> i'm a little concerned about having too many formats
[23:01] <jcoxon> and having to juggle between them
[23:01] <rocketboy> yeah I guess
[23:02] <jcoxon> how about we either test sstv or packet and rtty and keep the other stable
[23:02] <jcoxon> so rtty/packet on ssb and then sstv on fm and ssb
[23:03] <jcoxon> or rtty/packet ssb and fm and then sstv on ssb
[23:04] <rocketboy> Id go for rtty and sstv on ssb
[23:04] <jcoxon> just those 2?
[23:04] <rocketboy> unless you are going for 2 TX now?
[23:05] <jcoxon> i hadn't planned to
[23:05] <jcoxon> i'm happy to do rtty and sstv on ssb
[23:05] <jcoxon> then if it works we can test the others on another flight
[23:06] <rocketboy> OK np
[23:07] <jcoxon> that makes it easy for me
[23:12] <rocketboy> it would be good to try packet vs rtty on another flight
[23:12] <rocketboy> also FM packet vs SSB packet
[23:12] <jcoxon> okay
[23:12] <rocketboy> also FM SSTV vs SSB SSTV
[23:13] <rocketboy> on other flights
[23:13] <rocketboy> (lots of fligts)
[23:13] <jcoxon> well without the camera the payload isn't that big
[23:14] <jcoxon> and with it it still ain't massive
[23:14] <rocketboy> whats the wx like
[23:14] <jcoxon> oh i'm not sure
[23:14] <jcoxon> i can't do this weekend
[23:15] <rocketboy> Yeah np me neither (or the next)
[23:16] <rocketboy> after that I should be ok
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[23:16] <Xenion> Gute Nacht, pennt jut - Good Night sleep well :-)
[23:16] <rocketboy> night xenion
[23:16] <jcoxon> rocketboy, hmmm i can do 18/19th and then the 26th
[23:17] <rocketboy> Ah OK -NP go for it if you can
[23:17] <jcoxon> well i'll see the progress i make
[23:18] <rocketboy> yeah - there is always that aspect
[23:18] <rocketboy> oh well gotta go - CU guys
[23:18] <jcoxon> i need to reflash my gumstix before hand
[23:18] <jcoxon> okay, night - i'll be around this weekend
[23:18] <rocketboy> ok
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