highaltitude.log.20081001

[00:01] Action: Laurenceb_ is just glad uC are cheap
[00:02] <Laurenceb_> if I was having issues like this with GPS modules I'd kill someone :P
[00:08] <Laurenceb_> cya all
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[06:26] <SpeedEvil> laur: you are taking anti-static precations?
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[09:20] <rharrison> Morning all
[09:20] <rharrison> Just to say I love CHDK
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[11:22] <jcoxon> morning all
[11:24] <gordonjcp> morning
[11:28] <jcoxon> hey gordonjcp
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[11:56] <rharrison> SMA/SMB crimping kit arrived :)
[11:58] <rharrison> edmoore: Saturday is looking like the best day of the w/e
[11:58] <edmoore> yeah
[11:58] <edmoore> looks like it could just be you guys this weekend
[11:58] <edmoore> we might have to abandon sunday
[11:58] <edmoore> 60-70kt JS
[11:58] <rharrison> BTW edmoore: Did you get a script to shoot both vid and pics on the a560?
[11:58] <edmoore> yeah
[11:59] <rharrison> Wast that using a standard CHDK release or a custom one?
[11:59] <rharrison> I guess this is Doug's domain
[12:00] <rharrison> I can see his prints all over the CHDK forum but no clear solution
[12:01] <rharrison> There seemed to be a some mention of a custom CHDK build which would possibly do the trick
[12:01] <edmoore> yes it was from doug
[12:01] <rharrison> Does he get on here?
[12:03] <rharrison> edmoore: I dont suppose you have the scripts and the two boot files?
[12:03] <edmoore> not on me I'm afriad!
[12:03] <edmoore> fnoble does, if he pops on
[12:04] <rharrison> Cool I'll try and catch him. Not too much of a problem I can just go for one or the other options. Will try to get burst this w/e if it's a goer.
[12:12] <edmoore> that would be awesome :)
[12:12] <edmoore> you can always shoot like a missile to 25km and launch in a hurricane
[12:13] <edmoore> but it will have be fast a fast ascent because saturday is still a bit tight :)
[12:13] <edmoore> right, bbl
[12:19] <gordonjcp> if 0dB is Niagara Falls, -90dB would be one drip per second
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[12:38] <edmoore> gordonjcp: pub fact of the day
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[13:08] <jcoxon> rharrison, ping
[13:14] <rharrison> pong
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[13:24] Topic changed on #highaltitude by jcoxon!n=jcoxon@host86-148-58-20.range86-148.btcentralplus.com: Welcome to #highaltitude - discuss anything to do with high altitude projects (balloons, gliders, etc) www.ukhas.org.uk, wiki.ukhas.org.uk, logs: http://users.gridstar.net/~zeusbot/ - No Launches 4/5th
[13:30] <edmoore> rharrison: :(
[13:30] <edmoore> but perhaps sensible
[13:31] <rharrison> I think so
[13:31] <edmoore> we'll be keeping our eyes peeled certainly
[13:32] <rharrison> Sunday the 12th or 18th/19th
[13:33] <jcoxon> ooo my new lipo charger just arrived
[13:33] <rharrison> ooh
[13:34] <rharrison> Now does that charge standard size lipos AAA etc or a customs size?
[13:34] <rharrison> custom*
[13:35] <jcoxon> Lipos don't usually come as AAAs etc but flat cells 3.7v of various mAh
[13:35] <rharrison> Are the ones in my rc helicopter. The soft pouches !
[13:35] <rharrison> ahh*
[13:36] <rharrison> Humm, be interesting to see how they perform. Have they been tested at altitude yet?
[13:40] <edmoore> yes
[13:40] <edmoore> basically they seem to be ok... but I can see they'd have more failure modes than other types
[13:49] <SpeedEvil> I've voiced concern about vapour pressure of the liquid making the cells bulge at very low pressure.
[13:49] <SpeedEvil> But they have flown without issue.
[13:49] <SpeedEvil> The low temperature will help.
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[14:09] <rharrison> edmoore: At lease my logomaticv2 will be here to log the output for the next launch now
[14:09] <rharrison> least*
[14:10] <rharrison> SpeedEvil: you have been quiet these past few days
[14:11] <rharrison> BTW any one know wher the KML files from Wyoming always have 60000 at burst and not 30000?
[14:11] <rharrison> why*
[14:13] <rharrison> Ahh. It is feet. the 60000 is on the way up at the 2/3rds position. Burst is at 90000
[14:14] <rharrison> Silly me
[14:14] <rharrison> Bloody american format
[14:17] <SpeedEvil> rharrison: I've been doing stuff. Not balloon related alas.
[14:17] <SpeedEvil> Though high altitude - sort of.
[14:17] <SpeedEvil> 10m is plenty high enough when a ladder is involved.
[14:29] <rharrison> :)
[14:30] <rharrison> Painting the fence?
[14:55] <rharrison> Anyone tryed balsa wood for payload container
[15:03] <SpeedEvil> No - fixing annoying bastard porous sandstone on my gable ends before the concrete facing spalls off the whole side of the house.
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[16:18] <edmoore> fnoble: we're off for the weekend
[16:19] <fnoble> yeah, i guessed as much
[16:19] <edmoore> too windy
[16:19] <edmoore> re-try 18th/19th
[16:19] <fnoble> ok cool
[16:19] <edmoore> will email around
[16:19] <edmoore> so that's a blow out for this weekend :)
[16:20] <rharrison> fnoble: Do you have a modified CHDK for the Canon A560
[16:21] <rharrison> I'm struggling to find a CHDK which supports flicking from video to pic mode
[16:21] <fnoble> rharrison, yeah i have the one doug uses
[16:21] <rharrison> I saw that doug had made some headway on the CHDK forums
[16:21] <fnoble> rharrison, he had someone specially compile it for him
[16:22] <fnoble> can email it to you iuw, just pm me you addy
[16:22] <rharrison> Yep I saw that in the forum. There were some people working on the concept
[16:23] <edmoore> fnoble: can we make it just to start working on power-up?
[16:25] <fnoble> CHDK? not without modding the code
[16:25] <edmoore> can we mod the code?
[16:25] <edmoore> just the stripped-down camera is rather lacking on the i/o front
[16:26] <edmoore> not irreversibley so, but in its flight configuration
[16:26] <fnoble> erm, yeah im sure its not too hard
[16:27] <rharrison> Famouse last words there! Is the code C or Assembly
[16:27] <rharrison> There looked some nasty bits on the CHDK site
[16:27] <edmoore> C and Assy are where it starts getting enjoyable!
[16:28] <rharrison> I'll let you fix that one then
[16:28] <rharrison> Assy is when I give up
[16:29] <rharrison> Though the avr code looks understandable
[16:29] <fnoble> edmoore, i find it takes entering raw machine code by semaphore flag for me to get my kicks these days :p
[16:29] <rharrison> 00010101010111010010110000011001001010101000100101011000001110001
[16:29] <edmoore> i've not had as much fun programming as the 6800 course
[16:30] <edmoore> with a hex number pad and an 'enter' switch
[16:30] <gordonjcp> funny how you can't just buy little camera modules the way you can with other things
[16:30] <edmoore> i would have preferred a row of switches though
[16:30] <rharrison> peek and poke you're probably too young to remember that
[16:31] <fnoble> im joking of course, although with the torch ive just been getting way to involved with C compiler internals
[16:31] <fnoble> calling conventions and such
[16:31] <rharrison> Nice
[16:31] <fnoble> its very tedious, i miss high level languages
[16:31] <edmoore> i still think a panel of LEDs and some switches is all you need
[16:32] <rharrison> And a spare lifetime
[16:32] <rharrison> The leds make to so easy though. You can see what your sending then
[16:52] <SpeedEvil> gordonjcp: you can.
[16:52] <SpeedEvil> gordonjcp: tehy are annoying to drive though.
[16:52] <gordonjcp> well yeah
[16:53] <SpeedEvil> gordonjcp: they require you to be able to eat a large slice of a megabyte in 1/30th of a second or so.
[16:53] <SpeedEvil> Which isn't possible for most micros.
[16:55] <gordonjcp> mmmm, eat a large slice
[16:56] <gordonjcp> must... resist... temptation... to... order... pizza... to... work.... <GAAAH>
[16:56] <edmoore> :)
[16:59] <natrium42> WHO SAID PIZZA??!
[17:00] <natrium42> oh, damn
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[17:13] <SpeedEvil> Mmmmmmm.
[17:13] <SpeedEvil> Baked apple.
[17:20] <SpeedEvil> apple + ginger + cinnamon + sultanas + lemon + brown sugar
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[17:44] <natrium42> could you fax me that pie?
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[19:58] <rharrison> rocketboy: Just sent you an email with a new balloon supplier in Belgium. Trying to get some prices will report back cost of balloons
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[20:00] <edmoore> evening
[20:00] <edmoore> everyone
[20:00] <edmoore> wow, freenode burp
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[20:24] <rharrison> edmoore: What is the i_am_ed doing. Listening?
[20:25] <edmoore> i_am_ed: your que :)
[20:25] <edmoore> cue*
[20:25] <edmoore> I beleive he was here in the early days
[20:25] <edmoore> I've only been around since july 2006 so he probably predates me
[20:30] <edmoore> july2006 was over 2 years ago
[20:30] <edmoore> blimey
[20:31] <edmoore> I guess this is what getting old feels like
[20:37] <edmoore> he knows one end of a gumstix from the other in any event :)
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[21:41] <rocketboy> rharrison: thanks
[21:42] <rocketboy> edmoore:getting old? haha
[21:42] <edmoore> :p
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[21:47] <fuzzylugnuts> awwww
[21:47] <fuzzylugnuts> no launches
[21:48] <edmoore> nadda
[21:48] <edmoore> jetsream is just crap
[21:48] <fuzzylugnuts> ah
[21:49] <fuzzylugnuts> 'tis the season I suppose
[21:50] <fuzzylugnuts> my newark order came today
[21:50] <fuzzylugnuts> those "flat pack" capacitors are mammoth.
[21:51] <fuzzylugnuts> but the hammond boxes are orgasmic.
[22:01] <Hiena> Guess what they using as glue. ;)
[22:05] Action: rocketboy thinks we should jump on a easyjet flight to somewhere with low jetstream and launch somthing
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[22:06] <jcoxon> evening all
[22:07] <jcoxon> rocketboy, we've postponed the launches that were going to happen this weekend
[22:07] <rocketboy> yeah I heard - np
[22:07] <jcoxon> okay cool
[22:08] <rocketboy> gives me more time - I'm a bit rushed with balloon orders at the mo
[22:09] <jcoxon> i need more time
[22:10] <jcoxon> need to go over the switches for the new code
[22:10] <rocketboy> yeah - there is never enough time
[22:11] <rocketboy> looks like the JS is crap for a couple of weeks
[22:11] <jcoxon> tis winter time!
[22:11] <rocketboy> yeah - I must get payload ready for when its good again
[22:12] <jcoxon> i've made some progress with Peg VI
[22:12] <jcoxon> got GPS and GSM working nicely
[22:13] <jcoxon> just got to sort the radio and camera
[22:14] <rocketboy> the radio will be cool - rtty/packet by gumstix
[22:14] <jcoxon> :-)
[22:15] <rocketboy> BTW need to talk 2 u about gumstix web servers - someone I know wants one
[22:15] <rocketboy> must be bread and butter for gumstix right?
[22:15] <jcoxon> yup
[22:18] <fuzzylugnuts> mm, gumstix.
[22:19] <fuzzylugnuts> I wish there was a group as active as you folks over here.
[22:20] <jcoxon> fuzzylugnuts, we can involve you!
[22:20] <fuzzylugnuts> moral support?
[22:20] <fuzzylugnuts> You are a good person, and people say nice things about you.
[22:20] <jcoxon> hehe
[22:20] <jcoxon> help with the online trackers
[22:21] <jcoxon> i'm working on an automated radio station
[22:21] <fuzzylugnuts> Ah
[22:21] <jcoxon> which will need to be controlled over the net
[22:21] <gordonjcp> jcoxon: receiving?
[22:22] <jcoxon> yeah
[22:22] <fuzzylugnuts> Thanks for the offer, but I don't know if I could be much help from here.
[22:22] <jcoxon> so that when i fall asleep people can can login in and keep it logging
[22:22] <gordonjcp> fairy nuff
[22:22] <fuzzylugnuts> can't tat be automated?
[22:23] <gordonjcp> should be easy to do
[22:23] <gordonjcp> just keep receiving packets, and posting them ;-)
[22:23] <jcoxon> at present you've got to keep the signal in the decoding zone
[22:23] <fuzzylugnuts> oooh I see
[22:23] <jcoxon> humans are a lot better at doing that then 'puters
[22:24] <fuzzylugnuts> yeah, I thought there was an automatic frequency lock thing
[22:24] <jcoxon> its never perfect though
[22:24] <fuzzylugnuts> ok
[22:24] <jcoxon> actually its pretty rubbish
[22:24] <fuzzylugnuts> which program?
[22:24] <jcoxon> truetty
[22:25] <fuzzylugnuts> any particular reason you use that and not fldigi?
[22:25] <fuzzylugnuts> or gmfsk?
[22:26] <jcoxon> i've found it better at decoding
[22:26] <fuzzylugnuts> ah, ok
[22:26] <jcoxon> also it does packet
[22:26] <jcoxon> the others don'e
[22:27] <fuzzylugnuts> ah, gotcha
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[22:37] <edmoore> a 400 page datasheet to skim read.
[22:37] <edmoore> or
[22:37] <edmoore> sister act
[22:37] <fuzzylugnuts> sister act, obviously
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[22:42] <natrium42> whoa, did you guys know that you can embed google earth into the browser?
[22:42] <natrium42> http://gwt.google.com/samples/HelloMaps-1.0.0/HelloMaps.html#Earth%20Plugin
[22:43] <fuzzylugnuts> aww. only in windows
[22:44] <natrium42> yeah, that's the disadvantage
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[22:45] <fuzzylugnuts> well, its a neat start at least
[23:10] <fuzzylugnuts> oh the ironing is delicious. I have all the parts I need for the tracker, and I can't find my PCBs
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[23:25] <edmoore> :)
[23:32] <fuzzylugnuts> I am infatuated with this box. Extruded aluminum, sliding cover, matte black.
[23:38] <natrium42> that's nuts
[23:38] <fuzzylugnuts> mmm.
[23:40] <fuzzylugnuts> Hammond makes the best boxes I've seen.
[23:44] <edmoore> link me fuzzylugnuts
[23:44] <edmoore> i can see radio infatuation. box though will need some work. but I will keep an open mind
[23:46] <fuzzylugnuts> http://www.newark.com/84C9892/enclosures-storage-datacom-telecom/product.us0?sku=hammond-1455k1601bk
[23:46] <fuzzylugnuts> I can take some pictures, the stock photo doesn't do it justice
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[23:47] <rocketboy> rharrison: did I send you an invoice in with the balloons?
[23:47] <rocketboy> Rharrison: and it was a 1500 and a 1200 right?
[23:48] <rocketboy> (just trying to get the accounts strieght)
[23:52] <fuzzylugnuts> edmoore: http://coyotefirecracker.selfip.com/1.jpg and http://coyotefirecracker.selfip.com/2.jpg
[23:53] <edmoore> oh smart - just need to find one that will take an ngw100
[23:53] <fuzzylugnuts> wow
[23:53] <fuzzylugnuts> that is that?
[23:54] <fuzzylugnuts> it looks all green and awesome
[23:54] <fuzzylugnuts> omg, is that a watermark?
[23:54] <fuzzylugnuts> ; P
[23:55] <edmoore> would be great for a track-a-tron
[23:55] <fuzzylugnuts> what runs on it?
[23:55] <edmoore> some linux kernal
[23:56] <edmoore> there are some super vids on avrTV
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[23:56] <fuzzylugnuts> similar to gumstix?
[23:57] <edmoore> yep, but $80
[23:57] <fuzzylugnuts> oh
[23:57] <fuzzylugnuts> damn
[23:58] <rocketboy> night all
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[23:58] <fuzzylugnuts> seems like good support for all us less-than savvy types.
[23:59] <edmoore> yep. a great looking device
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