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[00:08] <robert1971> edmoore: The iQ should interface pretty much the same way as the iQ save 3.3v instead of 5.0v?
[00:09] <edmoore> not sure, but i would have thought so - they're basically all just gotcha-free serial comms
[00:10] <robert1971> Just reprogramming the nema output of the SKII only 2 sentances enabled by default
[00:10] <robert1971> Thats what I'm thinking too. I think that data cable around the wrong way did for it. 2nd attempt tomorrw
[00:11] <Laurenceb_> http://www.coolcomponents.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=33 <-- nice
[00:11] <Laurenceb_> I may put one on the mini rogallo at some point
[00:20] <RocketboyV1> night
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[00:21] <robert1971> Whee... Reprogrammed the SKII for GGA and RMC :)
[00:22] <Laurenceb_> SKII ?
[00:23] <robert1971> Lassens SKII
[00:23] <Laurenceb_> ah
[00:23] <Laurenceb_> I'd use TSIP
[00:23] <robert1971> It's old tech. but I haven't broken it yet
[00:23] <jcoxon> ooooo 10pound Arduino Mini Pros : http://www.coolcomponents.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=23_35&products_id=176
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[00:25] <robert1971> That looks good for an iQ
[00:25] <jcoxon> it what i'm using on my superbeacon MK I
[00:25] <Laurenceb_> jcoxon: yeahj its a nice site
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[00:25] <Laurenceb_> I just ordered some lipos from there
[00:25] <robert1971> Arn't you using the stamp?
[00:25] <Laurenceb_> I'm feeling tight so didnt get the radio tranciever this time around
[00:26] <jcoxon> robert1971, nope
[00:26] <jcoxon> http://www.pegasushabproject.org.uk/wiki/doku.php/missions:pegasus6
[00:26] <jcoxon> right, night all
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[00:28] <robert1971> Looks like there is going to be a bit of activity on the balloon front if edmoore is launching too in October
[00:29] <Laurenceb_> edmoore: what will you be launching?
[00:29] <edmoore> nova9
[00:29] <Laurenceb_> features?
[00:30] <edmoore> balloon
[00:30] <Laurenceb_> lol
[00:30] <Laurenceb_> just cameras and such?
[00:31] <Laurenceb_> anything special?
[00:31] <edmoore> we'll see! depends on several things, that are unlikely to happen, happening
[00:31] <robert1971> :)
[00:32] <Laurenceb_> :D
[00:32] <Laurenceb_> a mini black hole from the LHC
[00:34] <Laurenceb_> edmoore: did you just stick your radiometrix module on a GPIO ?
[00:34] <edmoore> dac
[00:34] <Laurenceb_> ah
[00:34] <Laurenceb_> pulse shaping?
[00:35] <edmoore> nope, just voltage keying
[00:36] <robert1971> Quick question on power. Am i better going for 9vPP3 to power beacon or 4xAA. I need 5v and i'm converting it through a switching regulator. PP3 is lighter than 4AA hence my preference for PPC or am I missing a trick?
[00:36] <Laurenceb_> so how did you control it? from a task set to run at 50Hz?
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[00:36] <edmoore> 4xAAA :)
[00:36] <Laurenceb_> robert: capacity
[00:36] <Laurenceb_> also be careful with smps
[00:36] <Laurenceb_> they can get too cold
[00:36] <robert1971> Thanks. SMPS?
[00:37] <edmoore> smps is pretty sound, I think - the ones I pointed out anyway
[00:37] <edmoore> smps = switched mode power supply
[00:37] <robert1971> Missed the obvious AAA :)
[00:37] <edmoore> so basically go for whichever gives you the watt-hours
[00:37] <robert1971> TI has a -40c min
[00:37] <edmoore> voltage x capacity
[00:37] <robert1971> Texas Inst.
[00:37] <Laurenceb_> yeah sounds ok
[00:38] <Laurenceb_> as long as you check everything works
[00:38] <robert1971> Thanks guys. My beacon shuold be complete by friday
[00:38] <Laurenceb_> kewl
[00:39] <edmoore> grand. bedtime for me!
[00:39] <robert1971> and mee
[00:39] <robert1971> nigths
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[00:39] <Laurenceb_> me too
[00:39] <Laurenceb_> cya all
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[09:27] <rharrison> edmoore: You up allready?
[09:27] <edmoore> been up for hours!
[09:28] <edmoore> awoke at 5.30, inexplicably. Faffing ever since.
[09:28] <rharrison> Slept? There I was thinking you were living the student lifestyle. Up till 2am in bed till 2pm :)
[09:29] <rharrison> I didn't get to bet dill 1:30am last night and you were still on when I signed off at 1:00
[09:29] <edmoore> Yep, though I crashed out shortly after
[09:30] <edmoore> got another day of ballooning ahead of me
[09:30] <edmoore> trying to sort the deared 'I'-word
[09:30] <rharrison> Anyhow have recovered from nuking my iQ. Another day of work for me :(
[09:30] <edmoore> dreaded*
[09:31] <edmoore> yeah I can imagine that's annoying - where did you get it from? diamond point seems to be the cheap uk source
[09:31] <rharrison> Yep there. At least I have all the connectors now
[09:32] <edmoore> grand :)
[09:32] <rharrison> The SKII is working a treat and I'll have it integrated with beacon MK1 tonight
[09:32] <edmoore> exciting - not long now!
[09:32] <edmoore> multi-payload balloons are fun, rather miss them
[09:33] <rharrison> Thanks for that USB ftdi pointer, works a treat
[09:33] <rharrison> Got a nice one from farnel, with DIP layout for the breadboard
[09:34] <edmoore> ah cool. Yeah they are the 21st century answer to hooking up micros
[09:34] <edmoore> right, I need to get myself ready to head out. Fare thee well
[09:35] <rharrison> ttfn
[09:35] <rharrison> http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?SKU=1146036
[09:36] <edmoore> having farnell next to you must be the greatest ballooning boon ever
[09:37] <rharrison> It's very big drain on the purse though. Far too tempting
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[09:39] <rharrison_quiet> :-)
[09:49] <gordonjcp> morning
[10:11] <edmoore> back briefly
[10:11] <edmoore> morning gordonjcp
[10:16] <gordonjcp> hi edmoore
[10:20] <ShellEvil> Morning.
[10:20] <edmoore> ShellEvil: Ended up getting something from Kestler Instruments
[10:21] <edmoore> the accelerometer
[10:21] <edmoore> ... there's a bit of a leap in price from ems to one of there tri-axial jobs.
[10:21] <edmoore> mems*
[10:31] <ShellEvil> kestler?
[10:31] <ShellEvil> oh
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[10:56] <ShellEvil> edm: Oh - I forgot. http://www.silicondesigns.com/Pdf/1221.pdf
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[11:52] <ShellEvil> I may be wandering off in a bit for a while.
[11:52] <ShellEvil> Can someone point edmoore at http://www.silicondesigns.com/Pdf/1221.pdf ?
[11:52] <ShellEvil> It's a MEMs accelerometer with the bandwidth he was looking for.
[11:52] <ShellEvil> Alas very uncheap, but...
[11:52] Action: ShellEvil sighs at 5ug/sqrt(Hz) noise.
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[11:53] <ShellEvil> (when he returns)
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[12:17] Action: ShellEvil drools on http://www.dpreview.com/news/0809/08091705canon_5dmarkII.asp
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[13:07] <ShellEvil> http://flickr.com/photos/lallisig/1424605576/
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[13:47] <jcoxon> ShellEvil, very cool
[13:47] <jcoxon> I'm going to see teh northern light in December
[13:47] <ShellEvil> Occasionally get it here.
[13:48] <ShellEvil> edmoore: http://www.silicondesigns.com/Pdf/1221.pdf I forgot to link you to. MEMs accelerometer with bandwidth to >1KHz.
[13:48] <ShellEvil> Non-cheap though.
[13:54] <edmoore> ShellEvil: where did you find a price for them?
[13:54] <ShellEvil> Oh - I mailed them.
[13:54] <ShellEvil> $250 per
[13:54] <edmoore> mind sharing?
[13:54] <edmoore> per axis
[13:54] <ShellEvil> yes
[13:55] <edmoore> well that's about half the price of kestler
[13:55] <ShellEvil> per single axis chip
[13:55] <edmoore> still not cheap
[13:55] <ShellEvil> No.
[13:55] <ShellEvil> 5ug/sqrt(Hz) is nice though.
[13:55] <edmoore> yeah, spotted that
[13:55] <ShellEvil> prolly need ovened to slightly approach that, but still.
[14:01] <jcoxon> edmoore, any exciting progress?
[14:02] <edmoore> not much atm, just breaking down prices of things
[14:03] <edmoore> more progress tomorrow hopefully
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[15:30] <rharrison_quiet> edmoore: Ping do you have an email address?
[15:32] <edmoore> ponged :)
[15:34] <rharrison_quiet> Just sent you a copy of the response from dpie on the iQ data cable. They agree that the data cable is indeed around the wrong way for the conventional iQ connection.
[15:35] <rharrison_quiet> I tell you they don't make this electronic stuff easy :)
[15:35] <edmoore> the poo-heads!
[15:35] <edmoore> well good to know, thanks
[15:36] <edmoore> mean of them not to offer a refund
[15:36] <rharrison_quiet> I thought of a couple of stonger obsenities for them :) But I thought it might be best to pass this wisdom on for the future iQ'ers out there
[15:37] <rharrison_quiet> The pin out info is on page 230
[15:37] <rharrison_quiet> Not the first page i turned too in my excitment to get things going...
[15:37] <edmoore> i would probably have not noticted that
[15:37] <edmoore> we just bypassed it by designing our own pcb for it to go on
[15:38] <edmoore> so when we wnt for a connector, that would have bitten us in the arse
[15:38] <rharrison_quiet> With your own header?
[15:38] <edmoore> well, we got the header from sparkfun
[15:39] <rharrison_quiet> Might be worth making sure jc knows as he was talking about getting an iQ too
[15:39] <edmoore> indeed yes, he'd probs appreciate a forward
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[16:29] <soneil> I really should have got the sparkfun header, as I'm not having fun trying to source anything for it locally
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[16:57] <edmoore> soneil: toby.co.uk is closeish
[16:57] <edmoore> otherwise, we will be making a sparkfun order soon
[16:57] <edmoore> so can pick up one for you
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[17:10] <rharrison_quiet> evening jcoxon, I sent you an interesting email regarding the iQ data cable for dpie just in case you inadvertantly make the same mistake as me
[17:12] <jcoxon> yeah, thanks
[17:13] <jcoxon> so did you blow your iQ? realised the pinout was backwards too late?
[17:13] <soneil> edmoore: thanks .. hadn't heard of that one .. they have just the part
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[17:26] <jcoxon> oooo now this is interesting:
[17:26] <jcoxon> http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8416
[17:26] <jcoxon> they are bringing out a breakout board for this gps module - it can be programmed itself - could make a nice payload toggling a GPIO to a radio
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[17:27] <edmoore> soneil: sorry was away. no problem - they're quite good
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[17:49] <jcoxon> edmoore, got rocketboy's sstv over ssb working
[17:49] <jcoxon> its really good quality
[17:50] <edmoore> oh grand!!
[17:50] <edmoore> can't wait!
[18:01] <jcoxon> now to get rtty working
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[19:17] <edmoore> back about 10.30
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[19:18] <robert1971> jcoxon: The iQ was cooked. Sorry missed your post earlier.
[19:19] <robert1971> I'm hoping the buggers at dpie will see fit to offer a partial if nota full refund. It's a bit crap supplying a data cable which doesn't fit the part properly
[19:22] <robert1971> evening all BTW
[19:24] <robert1971> 9 element yagi arrived in peices today. I'll have to build it at lunch time tomorrow and test ready for the launch in October. New iQ ordered from dpie hopefully won't cook this one.
[19:25] <robert1971> rocketboy: Not sure if you saw my post lastnight. Got the balloons just fine. Thanks for the reminder not to cut too deep
[19:29] <rocketboy> robert1971: no problem - all part of the service - I should have some more in shortly
[19:31] <rocketboy> robert1971: have you found a good connector for the IQ?
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[19:35] <jcoxon> rocketboy, ping
[19:35] <robert1971> Not yet. I'll use the one from dpie for the time being. Though it's a pain in the arse that it goes behind the shield.
[19:35] <robert1971> rocketboy: Do you know of a supplier for the correct cable?
[19:36] <robert1971> I'll probably be better of getting the compents and knocking one up
[19:36] <robert1971> off*
[19:39] <rocketboy> na I'm still trying to find a decent supplier
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[21:48] <edmoore> greetings all
[21:57] <natrium42> ohai
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[22:52] <Laurenceb_> hello
[22:52] <Laurenceb_> wow 21
[23:01] <edmoore> congratulations laurenceb
[23:01] <edmoore> you can now buy alcohol in america
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