highaltitude.log.20080904

[00:02] <fuzzylugnuts> *hooks 2 deep cycle batteries to an apc ups*
[00:02] Action: SpeedEvil has 6 car batteries hooked to one.
[00:02] <fuzzylugnuts> 24v?
[00:03] <SpeedEvil> yes
[00:03] <SpeedEvil> 3 parallel, 2 series
[00:03] <fuzzylugnuts> mine always read it low because of the V difference between gell cell and deep cycle
[00:04] <fuzzylugnuts> I might have to get in there and find the battery voltage circuitry
[00:04] <fnoble> fuzzylugnuts, now i need something to test it with
[00:04] <fuzzylugnuts> fnoble: ac couple your sound card
[00:04] <fnoble> fuzzylugnuts, know a good simple pulser circuit?
[00:05] <fnoble> fuzzylugnuts, good idea
[00:05] <fnoble> i guess even a 555 with a pot on the output would work
[00:05] <fuzzylugnuts> I used my soundcard with a tone generator to clock an atmega128 after I messed up the crystal config
[00:05] <fuzzylugnuts> fnoble: yeah.. its not a true pulser, but it does the job.
[00:05] <fnoble> wow, thats cool
[00:06] <fuzzylugnuts> I was like "holy shit, that actually worked"
[00:07] <fuzzylugnuts> SpeedEvil: did you have that low voltage problem?
[00:09] <SpeedEvil> fuzzylugnuts: no - I did rework the charger some - with an extra transformer though.
[00:09] <fuzzylugnuts> ah
[00:09] <SpeedEvil> As the new bats were 20ish times the old ones.
[00:09] <fuzzylugnuts> mmhmm
[00:10] <fuzzylugnuts> alright, I need to unplug evetrything so I can work on the apc, brb
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[00:23] <fuzzylugnuts> bleh. tracing this board is going to be a pain
[00:23] <fuzzylugnuts> all smt
[00:35] <fnoble> ok, time to go to the lair
[00:35] <fnoble> brb
[00:36] <fuzzylugnuts> laters
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[00:51] <fuzzylugnuts> damn this transformer gets hot
[00:52] <SpeedEvil> 100C is probably just about OK
[00:52] <SpeedEvil> much more and it's bad news.
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[01:07] <fuzzylugnuts> btw, i think i found about 50ft of teflon coax
[01:07] <fuzzylugnuts> I have to test it though
[01:17] <fnoble_lab> grrr, damn old code that was written in vb
[01:17] <fnoble_lab> i dont have a copy of vb anymore
[01:17] <fnoble_lab> : (
[01:30] <fuzzylugnuts> :(
[01:32] <fnoble_lab> does anyone have a copy?
[01:38] <fnoble_lab> scratch that, found an ancient laptop that may have it installed
[01:38] <fnoble_lab> whenever i think im in real trouble the random piles of junk in here offer up something to save me :)
[01:39] <fuzzylugnuts> haha
[01:41] <fnoble_lab> bugger, i spoke too soon
[01:41] <fnoble_lab> only got visual c++
[01:50] <fnoble_lab> ok, will have to go home for a sec to sort this out, bbiab
[01:51] <SpeedEvil> wave
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[02:01] <fuzzylugnuts> my ups just exploded
[02:02] <fnoble_lab> throught the wonders of ssh it looks like i will actually not have to leave my seat :)
[02:02] <fnoble_lab> fuzzylugnuts: shizzle
[02:02] <fnoble_lab> fuzzylugnuts: what happened?
[02:03] <fuzzylugnuts> messed with the h-bridge timing and blew up a fet
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[02:03] <fuzzylugnuts> I can order another one though.
[02:03] <fnoble_lab> ok, so you can prolly fix it
[02:03] <fuzzylugnuts> yeah
[02:04] <fuzzylugnuts> p80nf55
[02:04] <fuzzylugnuts> 80A fet.
[02:04] <fuzzylugnuts> poofed.
[02:04] <fuzzylugnuts> whoops
[02:05] <fuzzylugnuts> turned it on again and blew up 2 more.
[02:05] <fuzzylugnuts> oop. make that 3.
[02:05] <fuzzylugnuts> I'm glad these are cheap.
[02:07] <fuzzylugnuts> on the plus side, I found about 50ft of teflon rg-174
[02:11] <fnoble_lab> sweet
[02:11] <fuzzylugnuts> http://68.34.212.42/scrap/whoops.jpg
[02:12] <fuzzylugnuts> it was very exciting.
[02:17] <fuzzylugnuts> I should take it back and be like "It blewed up"
[02:19] <fnoble_lab> wow they really let you know they'd gone
[02:19] <fuzzylugnuts> yeah, my face was about 6" away
[02:26] <Akadecca> ugh
[02:26] <Akadecca> hate blowing fets
[02:29] <fuzzylugnuts> I think I'm just going to order http://www.infinigi.com/xantrex-prosine-100024v-hwtr-24v-p-207.html
[02:29] <fuzzylugnuts> and put this back together for some other purpose
[02:33] <fuzzylugnuts> or... I'll just not worry about my server being off for 2 hours : P
[02:34] <fuzzylugnuts> alright, off to bed.
[02:34] <fuzzylugnuts> laters
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[02:41] <fnoble_lab> brb
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[07:29] <edmoore> morn
[07:42] <natrium42__> yakshemash
[07:42] <natrium42__> brb reboot
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[08:12] <edmoore> wb
[08:18] <gordonjcp> morning
[08:21] <natrium42> hi
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[08:48] <natrium42> nite
[08:49] <natrium42> almost 4 am
[08:49] <natrium42> :/
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[08:57] <edmoore> g'morning take 2
[09:19] <gordonjcp> morning
[09:42] <edmoore> has anyone here got a radiometrix to hand?
[09:43] <gordonjcp> not sure
[09:43] <gordonjcp> I have some 400-odd MHz link stuff, fairly sure it's radiometrix
[09:57] <edmoore> ok
[09:58] <edmoore> gordonjcp: sorry got dragged off
[09:58] <gordonjcp> I know one end of the link isn't quite working properly
[09:59] <edmoore> well, i'm making the pcb footprint, but can't figure out how radiometrix have done their orthographic projection for the dimensional drawing, so was wondering if you could tell me if the drawing 1/2rd of the way down here http://www.radiometrix.co.uk/products/ntx2nrx2.htm - is looking from above or below
[09:59] <edmoore> well, 1/4 of the way down - the tx
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[10:00] <edmoore> morning jcoxon
[10:01] <edmoore> gordonjcp: not to worry! I remember now from the dim and distant past
[10:02] <edmoore> I've done this before, but about 2 years ago. Had totally forgotten
[10:03] <gordonjcp> ah, no, the ones I have are quite big
[10:03] <jcoxon> good morning
[10:03] <gordonjcp> about the size of a Treo, and cased up in a shoebox-sized weatherproof enclosure ;-)
[10:03] <gordonjcp> jcoxon: 'lo
[10:04] <jcoxon> edmoore, its from the top
[10:05] Action: jcoxon is catching up on the logs
[10:05] <edmoore> yup, figure
[10:05] <edmoore> ty!
[10:06] <edmoore> the gits do not tell you though where the pins lie within the 8mm width
[10:07] <edmoore> fabulously unhelpful
[10:07] <jcoxon> yeah, for low power modules that now a pretty standard design
[10:07] <jcoxon> 3 pins, a gap then the rest
[10:09] <edmoore> no i mean in the other plane
[10:09] <jcoxon> oh
[10:09] <jcoxon> then i might be wrong
[10:09] <edmoore> if you join up all the dots of the pins, you get a line parallel with the long edges of the module
[10:09] <edmoore> but it doesn't say where that line sits between the two long edges
[10:09] <edmoore> if you follow
[10:10] <edmoore> I have guessed based off the picture
[10:10] <jcoxon> so the bottom diagram
[10:10] <jcoxon> the question is how far are the pins from the long edges?
[10:13] <edmoore> yeah
[10:13] <edmoore> they're not quite in the middle
[10:13] <jcoxon> they are really though
[10:13] <jcoxon> i measure it as 4mm
[10:14] <edmoore> are they actually really really?
[10:14] <edmoore> by eyeball?
[10:15] <edmoore> not 3.5/4.5?
[10:15] <jcoxon> as near as i can get it
[10:15] <jcoxon> yeah
[10:15] <jcoxon> teh thing is remember its not a solid block
[10:16] <edmoore> ok, well this foorprint should hopefully do then
[10:16] <edmoore> ty
[10:16] <jcoxon> the case just extends back another 4mm
[10:16] <jcoxon> the pins also can be slightly manipulated anyway
[10:38] <edmoore> grand it just fits on badger
[10:38] <edmoore> next to the telit
[10:39] <edmoore> that's the messy shit FR nightmare end of the board
[10:39] <edmoore> RF*
[10:39] <edmoore> and gps and inertial stuff is on its own ground plane at the other end, away from the scary bullies
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[11:29] <fuzzylugnuts> fnoble:
[11:29] <fuzzylugnuts> I have a proposition for you.
[11:35] <edmoore> he's probably not around atm, but I won't talk for him
[11:35] <fuzzylugnuts> Ok
[11:35] <edmoore> but generally is working during the day
[11:35] <fuzzylugnuts> I left him a message
[11:35] <fuzzylugnuts> speaking of, I need to get moving to beat the traffic.
[11:35] <fuzzylugnuts> Laters
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[11:53] <fnoble_lab> hello
[11:56] <gordonjcp> fnoble_lab: hi
[12:06] <edmoore> hi fnoble
[12:07] <edmoore> fnoble_lab even
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[13:26] <robert1971> Lithiums have arrived...
[13:45] <edmoore> robert1971: grand
[13:45] <edmoore> what flavour?
[14:16] <robert1971> edmoore: Energizer's AA and Ultralife 9v
[14:16] <edmoore> as proven as they come
[14:17] <robert1971> Had a chat with master coxon the other day and he mentioned that you guys had used these. Given they have survived a few launches I thought I'd take the easy option and use them too.
[14:22] <edmoore> they're probably about the most reliable thing in amateur ballooning history
[14:28] <SpeedEvil> edmoore: not quite.
[14:28] <SpeedEvil> edmoore: gravity :)
[14:28] <edmoore> ha yes
[14:45] <edmoore> bloody hell
[14:45] <edmoore> I think it's time to start building an ark
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[15:40] <robert1971> edmoore Pissing down your end?
[15:40] <robert1971> Not bad up here in leeds
[15:41] <robert1971> Learning morse code the using the Koch method
[15:41] <robert1971> Busy day at work.
[15:42] <gordonjcp> I tried that
[15:42] <soneil> It's actually sunny in ireland. I feel bad for having nothing planned, for the first clear day in months
[15:42] <gordonjcp> I got pissed off with pretty much all the morse tutor software I could find in Linux
[15:44] <robert1971> There always hours of fun to be had with windoze trying to get it to work in the first place :)
[15:44] <gordonjcp> and eventually I did apg -n5 -x5 -m5 -a0 -Ml | cw --wpm=12
[15:50] <ShellEvil> The hard one to learn is psk31 :)
[15:59] <gordonjcp> :-p
[16:22] <robert1971> :-p
[16:22] <robert1971> Slow chat today 20 sentances in 3 hrs
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[16:29] <jcoxon> indeed it has been slow
[16:31] <jcoxon> i'm around :-p
[16:32] <jcoxon> robert1971, when do you think you'll get your licence?
[16:35] Action: gordonjcp is doing the foundation licence practical part this evening :-D
[16:36] <jcoxon> wow before we know it we'll all have callsigns :-p
[16:41] <jcoxon> does the ipod touch have wifi?
[16:41] <gordonjcp> yup
[16:41] <edmoore> yup
[16:42] <robert1971> Hopefully this w/e or next if I can convince the has that I know enough :)
[16:42] <robert1971> has = hams
[16:44] <robert1971> I went through the foundation stuff last night and I'll do it again a couple of times. I have a specimen paper if you're interested
[16:44] <jcoxon> my course is at the end of the month
[16:44] <gordonjcp> is that the one on the RSGB website?
[16:44] <robert1971> Be interesting to here my call sign being broadcast from 35km
[16:45] <robert1971> Not sure I found it on another site
[16:45] <gordonjcp> surely you'd get an event callsign?
[16:48] <edmoore> We're keeping 'BADGER' as our callsign
[16:49] <edmoore> the joys of unlicensed bands
[16:50] <gordonjcp> http://sondred.info/Gamle sider/radiolink.htm
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[16:58] <edmoore> fnoble_lab: will you have net access whilst away?
[17:00] <edmoore> work's taken over this week and I will not have badger2 ready for manufacture/your inspection by the time you leave on sat morning, in all probability.
[17:00] <edmoore> need a good chunk of uninterrupted sunday to throw at it.
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[17:42] <edmoore> fnoble_lab: sorry I had to dash
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[19:08] <jcoxon> evening all
[19:12] <jcoxon> oooo got my 7pin mic sockets for the radio
[19:15] <jcoxon> what would be the best way to connect that to an arduino
[19:16] <jcoxon> optical isolators? I just need to pull pins to ground to go up or down in freq
[19:17] <ShellEvil> optoisolators work well.
[19:17] <ShellEvil> As do relays
[19:18] <ShellEvil> http://www.analog.com/en/interface/digital-isolators/ADUM5242/products/product.html
[19:19] <ShellEvil> is a fun product line
[19:20] <jcoxon> hmmmm, do i want plain optoisolators, logic output, SCR output or transistor output?
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[19:27] <SpeedEvil> Not SCR
[19:27] <SpeedEvil> If you just want to pull pins to ground, and (say) 100 ohms will work - a transistor output should work OK
[19:28] <jcoxon> okay cool
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[19:28] <SpeedEvil> 'transfer ratio' is the ratio of optoisolator LED current to output current of the transistor (under some conditions)
[19:30] <jcoxon> so something like this
[19:30] <jcoxon> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/search/searchBrowseAction.html?method=getProduct&R=6258700
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[20:13] <robert1971> Evening all
[20:14] <robert1971> -.-K --M:)
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[20:49] <robert1971> Evening again all
[20:58] <edmoore> and to you
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[21:22] <edmoore> how can a website for a restaurant use an entire core of my laptop!?
[21:26] <natrium42> is it italian?
[21:30] <edmoore> don't.
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[21:38] <natrium42> :)
[21:42] <ShellEvil> edmoore: the wonder of web 2.0
[21:42] <edmoore> sketch.uk.com
[21:42] <edmoore> it's a flash monstrosity
[21:43] <edmoore> when you are tasked with designing a website and you are also taking LSD, whatever you produce will be a bit mad
[21:43] <edmoore> but it can go one of two ways - flash and bonkers like sketch
[21:43] <icez> holy crap
[21:44] <icez> that's like, the worse navigation style I've ever seen :/
[21:44] <edmoore> or it can go the other way, like Laurenceb's old website, now sadly dissappeared since he graduated
[21:44] <icez> what was the url?:P
[21:45] <edmoore> but there was a giant psychadelic ray-traced fish
[21:45] <edmoore> I remember
[21:45] <edmoore> with sunglasses
[21:45] <edmoore> and lots of ray-traced things floating around it
[21:45] <edmoore> and crazy 1995 microsoft wordart 3d text with metallic patterning
[21:45] <icez> :P
[21:46] <ShellEvil> JS looping forex
[21:46] <edmoore> saying 'WELCOME TO LAURENCIUM!'
[21:46] <ShellEvil> Ah.
[21:46] <ShellEvil> Has anyone seen the digikey 'interactive catalog'?
[21:46] <edmoore> no?
[21:46] <ShellEvil> It seems to be a website specified by someone who doesn't actually use a computer.
[21:47] <jcoxon> i miss laurence's site
[21:47] <ShellEvil> It's also got a 'unique' UI.
[21:47] <ShellEvil> http://digi-key.dirxion.com/skin/entrymap/entrymap_singlebook.asp
[21:48] <icez> if i have the correct address, seems archive.org didn't archive it completely also
[21:48] <edmoore> jcoxon: agreed
[21:49] <ShellEvil> I can see why you might want a synthetic page view for a catalog.
[21:49] <ShellEvil> But, to simply present as the result of a search as a list of pages on which the string occurs?
[21:49] <ShellEvil> And to use a completely seperate flash applet for each control?
[21:51] <jcoxon> edmoore, maybe it got catalogued somewhere
[21:51] <edmoore> it would so be worth finding
[21:51] <edmoore> it's a piece of history
[21:52] <jcoxon> they must have shut it down when he graduated
[21:52] <edmoore> ShellEvil: yes, it is quite disorientating
[21:52] <edmoore> I actually have their paper catalogue next to me
[21:52] <edmoore> each page is about 0.5 microns thick
[21:52] <edmoore> and it weighs more than me
[21:52] <edmoore> jcoxon: indeed
[21:52] <edmoore> i wonder if he still has the source
[21:52] <jcoxon> http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:-VbAQNpA8mAJ:users.ox.ac.uk/~shug2080/index2.html+LAURENCIUM&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=8&gl=uk&client=firefox-a
[21:53] <edmoore> aw so close!
[21:53] <edmoore> need that picture!
[21:53] <edmoore> I love the way everything on the site was suffixed with an exclamation mark
[21:54] <edmoore> i don't beleive for a second he wasn't under the influence of something when he made it
[21:54] <ShellEvil> edmoore: Their normal 'search' is so broken I've resorted to scraping large fractions of the catalog.
[21:54] <jcoxon> http://web.archive.org/web/20050219132501/http://users.ox.ac.uk/~shug2080/
[21:54] <jcoxon> thats all i can found
[21:54] <jcoxon> find*
[21:55] <ShellEvil> edmoore: I was also hoping for pricing oopses.
[21:55] <ShellEvil> edmoore: but only found them on the high end.
[21:55] <edmoore> one can only dream
[21:56] <ShellEvil> -rw-r--r-- 1 parts users 67098464 2008-08-29 01:51 65769 Chip Resistor - Surface Mount
[21:56] <edmoore> i used a thinkpad x300 today
[21:56] <edmoore> if anything could pull me away from apple......
[21:57] <edmoore> if textmate was on linux, i'd be there in a flash.
[21:57] <ShellEvil> textmate?
[21:58] <edmoore> the best application for apple
[21:58] <edmoore> imho
[21:59] <edmoore> haven't really touched vi since
[21:59] <edmoore> unless on a remote machine
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[22:00] <wickerwaka> textmate? whats so good about it?
[22:01] <edmoore> so yesterday I was doing some literate haskell
[22:02] <edmoore> and a made a 'bundle' (in textmate parlance) that activated the latex syntax highlighting/shortcuts when in latex, and haskell highlighting and shortcuts when within /begin{code} /end{code}
[22:02] <edmoore> then I hit shift-a 1 to add it to the svn repo I was in
[22:02] <edmoore> then shift-a 2 to commit
[22:04] <edmoore> textmate and quicksilver and the reason I am not on linux
[22:09] <wickerwaka> i've been thinking about switching editor setups
[22:09] <wickerwaka> my setup is too custom
[22:09] <wickerwaka> gvim, cscope, ctags
[22:09] <wickerwaka> i can work great on my machine, on this particular project
[22:09] <wickerwaka> once i move out of that zone i'm screwed
[22:15] <edmoore> what zone do you want to move to?
[22:28] <fuzzylugnuts> fnoble: helo
[22:30] <wickerwaka> edmoore: working at someone elses desk
[22:31] <edmoore> ah :)
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[22:51] <fuzzylugnuts> I <3 CHDK
[22:52] <fuzzylugnuts> do you have to script for a time-lapse continuous picture taking mode?
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[23:35] <fnoble> edmoore, hello
[23:35] <fnoble> edmoore, good to know your keeping up the haskell
[23:35] <fnoble> hows it going?
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