highaltitude.log.20080829

[00:00] <edmoore> we are going to test the cutdowns by drpping a banana
[00:00] <edmoore> from 25km
[00:02] <doug_ellison> Can you check your email ( or PM me an address you can check)
[00:02] Action: SpeedEvil ponders the dropping of something boomerang shaped, and if the laws of cartoon physics win.
[00:04] <doug_ellison> If you drop it - it hangs for a moment, then instantaniously accelerates to about mach 2, leaving streaky lines behind, and goes 'Phneowowww'
[00:04] <edmoore> I have got your SD card one
[00:04] <edmoore> can check me email
[00:05] <edmoore> we could drop an old nokia actually
[00:07] <edmoore> I am pretty sure that payload will be fine
[00:08] <edmoore> we have a large expanse of flat nothing for you
[00:09] <doug_ellison> OK - pics on the way - just in case I arrive and you go "what the HELL is that"
[00:10] <doug_ellison> Sort of reminds me of a little pan-and-tilt CCTV housing actually
[00:10] <doug_ellison> Or a post-modern bird box
[00:16] <edmoore> We just spontaneously broke into an improv barbershop quartet song abiut ballooning
[00:16] <edmoore> I think it's coffee times
[00:17] <doug_ellison> I just picked up an off cut of foam with a kebab stick and was about to eat it like a fondou
[00:19] <edmoore> muscle memory
[00:19] <doug_ellison> I don't even like marshmellows in fondou
[00:19] <SpeedEvil> Or the fumes from hot-wire cutting.
[00:20] <doug_ellison> Hot wire hot schmire ( although I nearly made one ) I do all mine with a long craft knife, a dremel with a drill, and sanding :)
[00:21] <SpeedEvil> A reallyt sharp long knife works quite wll.
[00:21] <SpeedEvil> With minimal dust.
[00:22] <doug_ellison> I'm waiting for the foam-dust / bronchiolitus connection to be researched ;)
[00:24] <edmoore> ok, looks great
[00:24] <edmoore> we will have to put som blanket on it though
[00:24] <edmoore> so it fits in with ours
[00:25] <edmoore> We hav a new filesystem onboard the badger
[00:25] <edmoore> we call it 'FAT'
[00:25] <edmoore> fucked access table
[00:25] <doug_ellison> That's exactly what I was about to write
[00:27] <doug_ellison> What time will people be arriving at C'hill?
[00:31] <edmoore> 2 onwards
[00:31] <edmoore> we will be there at 2
[00:31] <edmoore> fergus just had a cuning idea
[00:31] <edmoore> for controlling servos from the chdk camera
[00:32] <doug_ellison> Camera + Kyte flyers do it a lot
[00:32] <edmoore> they control the servos with the chdk?
[00:33] <doug_ellison> I think so - check the CHDK forums
[00:33] <doug_ellison> There's one guy I"m sure
[00:33] <doug_ellison> Anyway - I'm going to pack everything up and set off fairly shortly
[00:34] <edmoore> cool
[00:35] <doug_ellison> Anything you need me to bring? I've got 2 x 2gb for the crap cams, 1 x 4gb for your 560, a box of tools n shit, spare foam, space blanket, invertor, binos.
[00:36] <ShellEvil> edmoore: announce in ##space too?
[00:37] <Laurenceb> edmoore: do you have hardware pwm?
[00:38] <Laurenceb> hmm what do I need to know about thermal fuses?
[00:40] <Laurenceb> gtg sorry
[00:40] <Laurenceb> good luck with the launch
[00:41] <akawaka> when is the launch? whats the payload?
[00:41] <edmoore> Laurenceb: you'd have to do that yourself
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[00:41] <edmoore> akawaka: 3.30 GMT+1
[00:42] <edmoore> 2 nice canon cameras, 2 rubbisher cambers
[00:42] <edmoore> badger board
[00:42] <doug_ellison> Right - I'm off - see you soon
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[00:42] <edmoore> #highaltitude99 for live telem
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[01:02] <jcoxon> Hey all
[01:05] <jcoxon> Anyone around?
[01:05] Action: ShellEvil clucks.
[01:07] <jcoxon> Hmmm. I've set up my radio to recieve but will need someone to check as i'm away
[01:09] <ShellEvil> check what?
[01:10] <jcoxon> Hehe, my laptop. I've got a vnc server running
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[01:16] <robert1971> Hi guys
[01:16] <robert1971> You all set for 4 still?
[01:17] <SpeedEvil> 3:30 I think was the latest update.
[01:17] <robert1971> ouch
[01:17] <SpeedEvil> #highaltitude99 for tracking info
[01:17] <SpeedEvil> jcoxon: you need someone to log into it or something?
[01:17] <jcoxon> Robert1971, do you mind checking my vnc quickly
[01:17] <robert1971> sure
[01:18] <robert1971> ok here
[01:18] <jcoxon> Just see if the radio is on
[01:18] <robert1971> im in
[01:18] <jcoxon> On the web cam is the dial lit
[01:19] <jcoxon> ?
[01:19] <robert1971> Yep the tty ting has data comming in and blue and greem grphs doing stuff
[01:19] <robert1971> tty thing
[01:20] <jcoxon> Can you click on the web cam icon
[01:20] <jcoxon> In the dock
[01:21] <robert1971> Looks off to me (no numbers)
[01:21] <jcoxon> Hmmm
[01:21] <jcoxon> Okay
[01:21] <jcoxon> Right i'll be on in a bit
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[01:35] <edmoore> iainw here, the latest prediction for the KML from our flight tracking software is at http://www.cuspaceflight.co.uk/flight_path.kml
[01:38] Nick change: gleblanc_ -> gleblanc
[01:38] Nick change: gleblanc -> gregHome
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[02:01] <iNatrium> Hi
[02:04] <akawaka> have you ever met natrium?
[02:05] <iNatrium> He's my alter ego
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[02:22] <edmoore> hi iNatrium
[02:26] <iNatrium> Hey
[02:26] <iNatrium> Will be home in 5 min
[02:26] <iNatrium> Ready to spectate :D
[02:29] <edmoore> need to give you passwords and stuff
[02:30] <iNatrium> Brb
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[02:36] <edmoore> ustream presently
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[02:37] <natrium42> finally
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[02:38] <natrium42> edmoore, you wanted me to do something?
[02:39] <edmoore> hi natrium
[02:39] <edmoore> its fergus
[02:39] <natrium42> yo, i am back home
[02:39] <natrium42> :)
[02:39] <edmoore> cool, do you have a vnc client?
[02:39] <natrium42> yep
[02:40] <natrium42> you want me to control jcoxon's computer?
[02:41] <edmoore> yeah, he has his radio setup with a servo on the tuning dial
[02:41] <akawaka> awesome
[02:41] <natrium42> yah, i got that email
[02:41] <natrium42> he's crazy :D
[02:41] <edmoore> ok, did he give you the address to vnc into?
[02:42] <natrium42> yep
[02:42] <natrium42> i am connected to his machine now
[02:43] <SpikeUK> Morning all!
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[02:43] <edmoore> ok, so do you see the webcam of the dial?
[02:43] <jcoxon> yo yo yo
[02:43] Action: jcoxon is home
[02:43] <jcoxon> lalala
[02:44] <edmoore> jcoxon: oh you gave into the balloony goodness
[02:44] <jcoxon> hmmmm
[02:44] <jcoxon> had to throw stones at my sisters window to let me in
[02:44] <edmoore> natrium42 was just logging into your pc
[02:44] <edmoore> hehe
[02:44] <natrium42> :P
[02:44] <edmoore> jcoxon: this is fergus btw
[02:44] <jcoxon> hey fergus
[02:44] <akawaka> aw boo
[02:44] Action: natrium42 closes connection
[02:44] <akawaka> i wanted to see how the servo and webcam worked out
[02:44] <jcoxon> the radio was on
[02:44] <jcoxon> but
[02:45] <jcoxon> you need to press play on the webcam to update the image
[02:45] <edmoore> ah annoying
[02:45] <edmoore> ok, ive got to go get ready
[02:45] <edmoore> we should be on ustream
[02:45] <edmoore> :)
[02:45] <akawaka> ustream?
[02:45] <natrium42> yep, nice
[02:45] <akawaka> url?
[02:45] <edmoore> ill pass you back to edmoore
[02:45] <edmoore> akawaka: its on the tracker
[02:46] <akawaka> url? :)
[02:46] <natrium42> spacenear.us/tracker
[02:46] <akawaka> i don't keep up with all yer fancy webpages
[02:46] <natrium42> :P
[02:46] <jcoxon> right guys
[02:46] <jcoxon> shall I MC this launch :-p
[02:46] <natrium42> haha, do a nasa tv
[02:47] <jcoxon> everyone onto 99
[02:47] <natrium42> k
[02:47] <jcoxon> i can't be bothered to keep swapping
[02:47] <natrium42> maybe the tracker should point to this channel?
[02:47] <natrium42> or is 99 better?
[02:47] <jcoxon> 99 is really the flight channel
[02:47] <natrium42> ok
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[03:13] <edmoore> radio silence for a bit - we're heading outside to do the final prep and release
[03:13] <edmoore> will text jcoxon when it is away
[03:17] <jiffe88> how far do you think I should be able to transmit non-line of sight through a neighborhood to be comparable to 35km line of sight?
[03:18] <jcoxon> hmmm, can't answer that one, sorry!
[03:21] <jiffe88> we're getting horrible responses from this :\
[03:21] <jcoxon> best ask a HAM
[03:21] <jcoxon> they'll know
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[03:24] <jiffe88> si
[03:24] <SpikeUK> jiffe88 - frequency? power?
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[03:31] <jiffe88> 144mhz 300mw
[03:35] <SpikeUK> jiffe88 - Very much depends upon antenna/s but that should be no problem air to ground. Speech or telemetry?
[03:35] <jiffe88> telemetry
[03:36] <jiffe88> might try and put this up on one of our towers monday and see what we get line of sight
[03:38] <SpikeUK> jiffe88 - dipole to dipole in free space that should be just ok
[03:39] <jiffe88> we've got a couple antennas here, we have the whip antenna that came stock, a ground plane and square loop
[03:40] <SpikeUK> The square loop will give you some gain/directivity
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[03:45] <jiffe88> whats typically used for antennas on the balloon and ground station, just dipoles?
[03:46] <ShellEvil> dipoles on balloons are common, and yagi or somthing on ground if dipole won't cut it
[03:47] <SpikeUK> The pics I've seem ShellEvil look more like monopoles - are they really dipoles? I've wondered about this
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[03:48] <SpikeUK> "seem" = "seen"!
[03:48] <jcoxon> they are usually 1/4 wave with a groundplane
[03:48] <edmoore> they are monopoles
[03:50] <SpikeUK> thanks jcoxon & edmoore - I wonder if you would be better off with circ polarisation - we can chat later
[03:50] <jiffe88> most of the sites I've read regarding HA ballooning skim past the comms part
[03:50] <jcoxon> jiffe88, its by far the hardest part :-p
[03:51] <jiffe88> yeah I think if anything were to hold us up this would be it
[03:54] <SpikeUK> Do you want to chat some time? I spent some years in antenna design
[03:55] <SpikeUK> and held a Amateur licence
[03:55] Action: ShellEvil imagines SpikeUK trapped in a huge maze of a byzantinely designed antenna.
[03:56] <SpikeUK> You don't know the half of it ;-)
[03:58] <ShellEvil> sstv isn't happening for this flight?
[03:58] <jcoxon> ShellEvil, not this one
[04:13] <edmoore> hello, fergus here
[04:14] <edmoore> just launched :)
[04:14] <edmoore> jcoxon: got it yet?
[04:14] <jcoxon> i got it at 400m :-p
[04:14] <edmoore> sweet
[04:14] <jcoxon> 99
[04:41] <jiffe88> anyone know what nova7 was using as far as transmitting?
[04:42] <jiffe88> freq/power/equipment?
[04:42] <jcoxon> 434.650Mhz, 10mW with a radiometrix ntx2
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[04:44] <jcoxon> jiffe88, you know there is a launch on right now
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[06:11] <jiffe88> echo $topic
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[08:01] <doug_ellison> Just spoke to Ed - they can see it in a field.
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[08:37] <doug_ellison> Spoke to Ed. He's speechless
[08:37] <doug_ellison> The images are amazing, he says. I could hear 'ooos' in the background. So basically - we did it.
[08:37] <doug_ellison> Now I really do have to go get ready for work
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[08:38] <natrium42> i demand pics!!!
[08:38] <natrium42> :D
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[09:34] <robert1971> any news on pics yet?
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[10:34] <Laurenceb> jcoxon: you have a servo tunes radio?
[10:34] <Laurenceb> *tuned
[10:35] <Laurenceb> why not go into the mic connector and use the scroll up/down pins?
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[12:34] <robert1971> jcoxon: are you an android? you can't have slept in the last 48 hours
[12:34] <jcoxon> i have slept
[12:34] <jcoxon> hence why the track stopped uploading :-p
[12:35] <robert1971> No pics yet?
[12:35] <jcoxon> i think they are being uploaded as we speak
[12:35] <jcoxon> fnoble hasn't slept yet
[12:35] <jcoxon> he is crazy
[12:35] <robert1971> yep
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[13:16] <doug_ellison> It's between that dotted row of trees and the edge of the field to the NW
[13:19] <jcoxon> right i've done enough ballooning for quite a while
[13:19] <jcoxon> cya guys later
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[13:40] <doug_ellison> What do you do when you've had a great balloon launch.....
[13:40] <doug_ellison> do it again at 4am, 5 days later
[13:40] <doug_ellison> http://gallery.me.com/djellison/100034
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[14:05] <fnoble> edmoore, finally you have arived
[14:05] <fnoble> how was your drive?
[14:05] <edmoore> holy f*ck
[14:05] <edmoore> just got back
[14:05] <fnoble> really? wtf?
[14:05] <edmoore> got caught in the accident on the A1m
[14:06] <edmoore> counted 6 fire engines, 14 police cars, 4 ambulances, and 9 traffic officer keeps
[14:06] <edmoore> had the engine off for 2.5 hours
[14:06] <edmoore> just shutdown that section of otorway
[14:06] <edmoore> eventually they turned all the traffic around
[14:06] <fnoble> crap, thats really bad
[14:06] <edmoore> so I then proceded to get caught in the M1 roadworks
[14:06] <doug_ellison> It's those bloody traffic wombles. 'Ooo - someone has to change a wheel - CLOSE THE MOTORWAY'
[14:06] <robert1971> Happens when people stay awake all night!!!
[14:06] <edmoore> ok
[14:06] <edmoore> let's look at some pictures
[14:07] <edmoore> fill me in on the last few hours
[14:07] <doug_ellison> http://gallery.me.com/djellison#100034
[14:07] <doug_ellison> That's your short-cut to pleasure
[14:07] <robert1971> i'm holding ukhas responsible for the new radio I have just brought
[14:07] <fnoble> edmoore, at leasy you had 12GB of sexyness to keep you company
[14:07] <fnoble> edmoore, we went to pizzahut, it was good
[14:07] <fnoble> edmoore, thats all we have to report
[14:07] <doug_ellison> Th darkvisitor crapcam stuff isn't that bad at all
[14:08] <fnoble> edmoore, everything is on dougs ftp now too
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[14:16] <edmoore> sorry still a bit shellshocked at the whole thing
[14:16] <edmoore> ok
[14:16] <edmoore> so
[14:16] <RocketBoyv1> sweet shots guys - well done
[14:16] <edmoore> photos are all up
[14:16] <edmoore> and being swallowed by clever people
[14:16] <edmoore> so I can have a 50cm x 2m poster to get printed and framed
[14:17] <edmoore> so that's good
[14:17] <edmoore> doug - remember thinking that there are some fecking awesome vids on HAPS to make still stiches
[14:17] <RocketBoyv1> say - you could probably sign and sell them
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[14:19] <edmoore> I will absolutely get one printed if James (Canvin) thinks there's promise
[14:19] <robert1972> on twice!
[14:20] <robert1972> James Cavin is still on 99 does he know to come here if he wants or is all the picture conversation still going on in 99 too
[14:24] <edmoore> i think it was just announced
[14:24] <edmoore> man I need a shower
[14:24] <edmoore> have gone straight to work
[14:24] <edmoore> and a shave
[14:24] <edmoore> what next... umsf
[14:24] <fnoble> edmoore, me too :)
[14:25] <edmoore> you've got nothing on my stuble
[14:25] <fnoble> edmoore, shown the guys at work?
[14:25] <edmoore> the one who is still here
[14:25] <edmoore> loves it
[14:25] <fnoble> cool
[14:25] <edmoore> Steve might be coming back in
[14:25] <edmoore> I will show him whn he does
[14:25] <edmoore> then can prompt him on 'the contract'
[14:26] <fnoble> indeed
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[14:27] <fnoble> edmoore, if you pm me the numbers of some of your favs will put them up on our webspace for all to see
[14:27] <edmoore> haha, the tracker seems to have gone down a storm
[14:27] <edmoore> 909 986 1002 859 819
[14:27] <edmoore> made the list during the traffic jam
[14:27] <edmoore> that's from our canon
[14:27] <fnoble> 1004 is good, and 843
[14:28] <edmoore> i only briefly looked through - had a 1h nap too
[14:28] <fnoble> cool
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[14:28] <edmoore> hahaha, someone mde this http://www.unmannedspaceflight.com/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=15456
[14:28] <edmoore> bloody brilliant
[14:28] <doug_ellison> Astro0 - he works at the DSN in Canberra
[14:29] <doug_ellison> Always doing funky things like that
[14:29] <fnoble> doug_ellison, you know thats the same graphic i used on the board
[14:29] <doug_ellison> Yup
[14:29] <doug_ellison> I told him :)
[14:29] <fnoble> ah cool
[14:29] <doug_ellison> MUSHROOM MUSHROOM...badger badger badger badger badger badger badger
[14:29] <doug_ellison> Very 2005
[14:31] <edmoore> great first gallery post doug
[14:32] <edmoore> I am properly grinning
[14:32] <edmoore> we've fucking done it. I've wanted sunrise pics for so long.
[14:32] <fnoble> i have been giggling to myself all day
[14:32] <edmoore> I will put 50p into the swear box, sorry
[14:32] <fnoble> yeah this has been long time coming
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[14:32] <fnoble> 843 is "that shot"
[14:33] <edmoore> hi James
[14:33] <ShellEvil> :)
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[14:34] <doug_ellison> So how's the farked alloc table looking
[14:34] <edmoore> 819 is pretty darn-ttotin too
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[14:34] <edmoore> tootin*
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[14:34] <fnoble> doug_ellison, its down in the ifm, forgot to take it to my room
[14:35] <fnoble> will fetch in a mo
[14:35] <doug_ellison> My next 'want' is a totally clear day
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[14:35] <doug_ellison> France, Denmark, Ireland...bring it on.
[14:35] <doug_ellison> Orrrrrrrr..... launching from the Gower peninsula and landing in the Cotswolds
[14:35] <ShellEvil> Then long-zoom and actively pointed :)
[14:35] <fnoble> doug_ellison, when we get the ZPs going we can do long duration
[14:36] <fnoble> which affords interesting possibilities
[14:36] <ShellEvil> terabyte disks aren't that heavy.
[14:36] <edmoore> fnoble: yes i was thinking that
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[14:37] <edmoore> launch so that it is at the top ready and wiating for sunrise
[14:37] <edmoore> then we will get everything from 35km
[14:37] <edmoore> can't wait for ZP action!
[14:37] <fnoble> edmoore, yes the welding head is in the country
[14:37] <fnoble> just paid our being british fee - bastards
[14:38] <fnoble> £101
[14:38] <edmoore> eeeek
[14:38] <edmoore> still
[14:38] <edmoore> we'll save a lot of money on latex's
[14:38] <fnoble> still half the price of buying it in the uk
[14:38] <edmoore> and we can do more cool stuff - it's fine for it to hang around at 35km, there's bearely any wind
[14:39] <fnoble> yup, also as the helium can vent you can pus the ascent rate a bit
[14:40] <edmoore> exactly
[14:40] <edmoore> though they do rip themselves to bits if you do that too enthusiastically
[14:40] <edmoore> as the helium can't vent out fast enough
[14:41] <edmoore> 819 I think could be my favourite
[14:42] <fnoble> edmoore, just found a photo where you can see the pub capark where we were waiting to see if we could see it fall
[14:43] <fnoble> we would have been able to
[14:43] <edmoore> doug's 9598 floats my boat a lot aswell
[14:43] <doug_ellison> MVI_9862 very nearly gets landing
[14:43] <doug_ellison> VERY nearly
[14:44] <edmoore> infact 9598 is a real stonker
[14:44] <fnoble> doug_ellison, tell Astro0 that im using his desktop background on the tracking eeepc now :)
[14:44] <edmoore> couldn't be framed better
[14:44] <doug_ellison> :)
[14:44] <doug_ellison> 9518 is a nice un
[14:45] <ShellEvil> where are these again? Are these publically available?
[14:46] <edmoore> doug, in and around 9598 is going to make the best panorama *ever*
[14:47] <doug_ellison> Looks like, to me, that with two cameras, doing 20s movies, we didn't get launch, burst or landing. Sods law
[14:47] <james_canvin> You'll have to go back to 10secs next time - much better odds. ;)
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[14:48] <fnoble> doug_ellison, in the future we can get the flight computer to trigger it to get specific moments like that
[14:50] <doug_ellison> Anyone noticing a uv/non-uv polarised/non-polar difference?
[14:51] <edmoore> if we get a, like, 0.5m x 3m banner poster, Vorticity will buy one
[14:51] <edmoore> for the office
[14:52] <fnoble> edmoore, i wasthinking earlier we need to get a swanky office so we can hang these in our lobby
[14:53] <edmoore> well if CUED want us to do this talk, they can jolly well give us a bit more space
[14:53] <fnoble> edmoore, yeah it would be nice
[14:53] <robert1972> Need a nice medium format camera if you want some sexy poster size pics
[14:53] <edmoore> robert1971: if you wish to provide an MS hassy
[14:53] <edmoore> and a HDD for its storage
[14:53] <edmoore> then we will fly it
[14:53] <edmoore> MF Hassy*
[14:54] <edmoore> fnoble: we should present one to the dept actually
[14:54] <doug_ellison> or a mosaic of 7 megapixel imges that adds up to 117 megapixel mosaic
[14:54] <edmoore> hahaha, just compare it to the bloody owlstone winner
[14:54] <ShellEvil> I've wondered about http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Canon-EOS-1D-Digital-SLR-Spares-or-Repair-Film-Prop_W0QQitemZ280257956651QQihZ018QQcategoryZ31388QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
[14:54] <ShellEvil> But that's probably silly :)
[14:54] <doug_ellison> Silly? HEAVY.
[14:54] <edmoore> it's not silly
[14:54] <edmoore> There's a lot of strippable stuff on those slr' though
[14:55] <ShellEvil> Broken case, but still takes pics
[14:55] <edmoore> can chop most of the magnesium chassis to bits
[14:55] <fnoble> its a shame that the whole point of an SLR is wasted on a balloon
[14:55] <fnoble> but its the only way to get a good sensor and optics
[14:55] <edmoore> it's a worthwile penalty though, I think, if it gets you the glass
[14:55] <fnoble> i mean, there is nobody to look through the viewfinder
[14:55] <doug_ellison> Camera System
[14:55] <doug_ellison> Name Canon EOS-1D
[14:55] <doug_ellison> Type Digital AF SLR (CCD sensor /Direct Imaging)
[14:55] <doug_ellison> Body material Magnesium alloy, rubber panels covering majority of camera body
[14:55] <doug_ellison> Body seals 90 waterproof seals (O-rings around buttons)
[14:55] <doug_ellison> Price - body only
[14:55] <doug_ellison> (as quoted by Canon regional companies in their press release)
[14:55] <doug_ellison> Canon USA: $6,499 $5,500 here
[14:55] <doug_ellison> Canon UK: ? 5,499 (RRP)
[14:55] <edmoore> you'd keep mirror lockup on at least to reduce clattering
[14:55] <doug_ellison> Canon Europa: ? 8,500
[14:55] <doug_ellison> Canon France: 56,000 FF
[14:55] <doug_ellison> Canon Germany: 15,644 DM
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[14:55] <doug_ellison> Canon Japan: 750,000 YEN
[14:55] <doug_ellison> Production numbers 3,000 per month
[14:55] <doug_ellison> Format Digital SLR (Professional EOS series)
[14:55] <doug_ellison> Sensor
[14:56] <doug_ellison> Imager 4.48 megapixel CCD Sensor
[14:56] <ShellEvil> doug_ellison: yes - we know - it's damn expensive.
[14:56] <doug_ellison> Imager effective pixels 2,496 x 1,662 (4.15 million)
[14:56] <doug_ellison> JPEG final pixels 2,464 x 1,648 (4.06 million)
[14:56] <doug_ellison> Colour filter array Primary (GRGB) colour filter array, non-removable low-pass filter
[14:56] <doug_ellison> Imager ratio 3:2
[14:56] <doug_ellison> Imager total size 28.7 x 19.1 mm
[14:56] <doug_ellison> Effective imager size
[14:56] <doug_ellison> 27.0 x 17.8 mm
[14:56] <doug_ellison> Cell size (pixel size) 10.8 x 10.8 ?m
[14:56] <doug_ellison> Imager output 36-bit (12-bits per colour)
[14:56] <doug_ellison> ADC 12-bit
[14:56] <doug_ellison> ISO sensitivities ISO 200, 250, 320, 400, 500, 640, 800, 1000, 1250, 1600
[14:56] <doug_ellison> ISO expand: L = ISO 100, H = ISO 3200
[14:56] <doug_ellison> Image Processing
[14:56] <edmoore> doug_ellison: ...
[14:56] <doug_ellison> Colour spaces
[14:56] <doug_ellison> (Color Matrix) 1. sRGB natural
[14:56] <doug_ellison> 2. sRGB portrait (sets hue / chroma balance suitable for portraits)
[14:56] <doug_ellison> 3. sRGB high chroma (similar to high-chroma slide film)
[14:56] <doug_ellison> 4. Adobe RGB
[14:56] <doug_ellison> 5. sRGB wide (will require adjustment later in photo package)
[14:56] <doug_ellison> Processing parameters
[14:56] <doug_ellison> Up to three user-defined sets of: *SW
[14:56] <doug_ellison> 1. Tone curve
[14:56] <doug_ellison> 2. Sharpness level
[14:56] <doug_ellison> a. Intensity: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
[14:56] <fnoble> doug_ellison, ok ok ok
[14:56] <doug_ellison> b. Pattern: rough, moderately rough, standard, moderately fine, fine
[14:56] <edmoore> where is a flood-bot when you need one
[14:56] <doug_ellison> 3. JPEG quality
[14:56] <doug_ellison> a. Fine: 6, 7, 8, 9, 10
[14:57] <doug_ellison> b. Normal: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
[14:57] <doug_ellison> Lenses
[14:57] <doug_ellison> Lens compatilibity Canon EF lenses
[14:57] <doug_ellison> Focal length multiplier 1.3 x (cropping effect because imager is smaller than 35 mm frame)
[14:57] <doug_ellison> Auto Focus
[14:57] <doug_ellison> Auto Focus TTL-AREA-SIR with CMOS sensor
[14:57] <doug_ellison> Focus points 45 AF points - automatic or manually selectable (W x H: 15mm x 8mm)
[14:57] <doug_ellison> Working range EV 0-18 (at ISO 100)
[14:57] <edmoore> I think it is copy and paste gone horribly wrong
[14:57] <fnoble> doug_ellison, STOP! please
[14:57] <doug_ellison> Focus point selection 1. Automatic selection
[14:57] <doug_ellison> 2. Manual point selection
[14:57] <doug_ellison> Focus modes 1. One-shot AF: shutter can only be released once focus made
[14:57] <doug_ellison> 2. AI servo AF: tracks subject movement until start of metering, includes predicitive focusing, shutter can be released at any time regardless of focus (predictive drive has priority in continuous shooting) indicator blinks if focus fails.
[14:57] <doug_ellison> 3. Manual focus
[14:57] <ShellEvil> edmoore: naah - he's typing it :)
[14:57] <doug_ellison> Selected AF point Superimposed in viewfinder and indicated on top LCD panel
[14:57] <doug_ellison> AF-assist light Dedicated Speedlite's built-in AF-assist beam
[14:57] <doug_ellison> Metering / Exposure
[14:57] <doug_ellison> Metering
[14:57] <doug_ellison> 1. Evaluative metering (21 area)
[14:57] <doug_ellison> 2. Partial metering (13.5% of viewfinder center)
[14:57] <doug_ellison> 3. Spot metering
[14:57] <doug_ellison> a. Center spot metering (3.8% of viewfinder center)
[14:57] <doug_ellison> b. AF point linked spot (3.8% of image at selected spot)
[14:57] <doug_ellison> c. Multi-spot metering (max 8 spots can be selected)
[14:57] <doug_ellison> 4. Center-weighted average metering
[14:57] <doug_ellison> Metering range 0 to 20 EV (at 20?C with 50mm F1.4 lens at ISO 100)
[14:57] <doug_ellison> Exposure modes
[14:57] <doug_ellison> 1. Program AE (flexible program)
[14:58] <doug_ellison> 2. Shutter speed priority
[14:58] <doug_ellison> 3. Aperture priority
[14:58] <doug_ellison> 4. Auto depth-of-field AE
[14:58] <doug_ellison> 5. E-TTL auto-flash program
[14:58] <doug_ellison> 6. Manual
[14:58] <doug_ellison> 7. Flash metered manual
[14:58] <doug_ellison> Exposure compensation 1. Manual: +/- 3 EV in 1/2 EV or 1/3 EV steps
[14:58] <doug_ellison> 2. AEB (bracketing): +/- 3 EV in 1/2 EV or 1/3 EV steps
[14:58] <doug_ellison> AE Lock 1. Auto AE lock
[14:58] <doug_ellison> 2. Manual AE lock button
[14:58] <doug_ellison> Bracketing 1. Shutter speed or aperture
[14:58] <doug_ellison> 2. ISO speed
[14:58] <doug_ellison> 3. Manual
[14:58] <doug_ellison> White Balance
[14:58] <doug_ellison> Settings 1. Auto
[14:58] <doug_ellison> 2. Daylight
[14:58] <doug_ellison> 3. Shade
[14:58] <doug_ellison> 4. Overcast
[14:58] <doug_ellison> 5. Tungsten
[14:58] <doug_ellison> 6. Fluorescent
[14:58] <doug_ellison> 7. Flash
[14:58] <doug_ellison> 8. Custom
[14:58] <doug_ellison> 9. Colour temperature K(elvin)
[14:58] <doug_ellison> 10. Personal WB settings (PC-1, PC-2, PC-3)) *SW
[14:58] <doug_ellison> Auto white balance Hybrid auto white balance with CCD sensor and external sensor
[14:58] <doug_ellison> Personal white balance Up to three personal white balance settings can be programmed
[14:58] <doug_ellison> White balance bracket. +/-3 steps
[14:58] <doug_ellison> Image storage
[14:59] <doug_ellison> Storage media CompactFlash Type I or II (Microdrive compatible)
[14:59] <doug_ellison> Image sizes 2,464 x 1,648
[14:59] <ShellEvil> epic floodz!
[14:59] <doug_ellison> 1,232 x 824
[14:59] <fnoble> omg, movie 709 from the nova 560 ... lovely
[14:59] <doug_ellison> RAW data recorded 2,496 x 1,662
[14:59] <doug_ellison> Recording formats
[14:59] <doug_ellison> 1. JPEG (Fine / Normal) (JPEG ratios can be re-programmed) *SW
[14:59] <doug_ellison> 2. RAW (36-bit - about 4MB per image)
[14:59] <doug_ellison> 3. RAW + JPEG (saves RAW and JPEG file simultaneously)
[14:59] <doug_ellison> LCD monitor
[14:59] <doug_ellison> LCD 2.0" 120,000 pixel TFT
[14:59] <doug_ellison> LCD usage Review only (no live image preview)
[14:59] <doug_ellison> Coverage Approx. 100%
[14:59] <doug_ellison> Brightness control Five levels
[14:59] <doug_ellison> Viewfinder
[14:59] <doug_ellison> Type Glass pentaprism, eye-level type with eyesight correction
[14:59] <doug_ellison> Coverage 100% vertically and horizontally
[14:59] <doug_ellison> Magnification 0.72x (-1 dioptre with 50mm lens at Infinity)
[14:59] <doug_ellison> Eyepoint 20 mm
[14:59] <doug_ellison> Dioptre correction -3 to +1 dioptre
[14:59] <doug_ellison> Focusing screen Interchangeable (9 types), Standard focusing screen: Ec-CIII
[14:59] <doug_ellison> Viewfinder information AF information (AF points, focusconfirmation light), exposure information (shutter speed, aperture, manual exposure,metering range, ISO speed, exposure level, exposure warning), flash information (flash ready, FP flash, FE lock, flash exposure level), JPEG format, number of remaining shots, CF card information
[14:59] <doug_ellison> Mirror Quick-return half mirror (Transmission: reflection ratio of 37:63, no mirror cut-off with EF 1200mm f/5.6 or shorter lens)
[14:59] <doug_ellison> Mirror black-out 87 ms
[14:59] <doug_ellison> Eyepiece shutter Built-in (lever to right of viewfinder)
[14:59] <doug_ellison> Depth-of-field preview Single button press for preview (viewfinder)
[14:59] <doug_ellison> Exposure / Shooting
[14:59] <doug_ellison> Shutter Vertical travel focal-plane shutter with all speeds controlled electronically
[15:00] <doug_ellison> Shutter speed range 30 sec to 1/16,000 sec & BULB
[15:00] <doug_ellison> Flash X-Sync 1/500 sec
[15:00] <doug_ellison> Self-timer Electronic, 2 or 10 second delay
[15:00] <doug_ellison> Drive modes 1. Single shot
[15:00] <fnoble> hehe, thought he was stopping then
[15:00] <doug_ellison> 2. Continuous Low (3 fps)*
[15:00] <doug_ellison> 3. Continuous High (8 fps)*
[15:00] <fnoble> but just a pause for breath
[15:00] <doug_ellison> 4. Self timer
[15:00] <doug_ellison> * JPEG or RAW
[15:00] <edmoore> note for jcoxon - add a flood-control on zeusbot
[15:00] <doug_ellison> Burst buffer 21 shots in JPEG modes
[15:00] <doug_ellison> 16 shots in RAW mode (or RAW+JPEG mode)
[15:00] <doug_ellison> Buffer method
[15:00] <doug_ellison> With shutter release held, camera will shoot at selected speed (up to 8 fps) until the buffer is full, it will then take one shot as soon as there is space in the buffer for it (typically one shot every 1.5 seconds with a full buffer and a relatively fast CF card).
[15:00] <doug_ellison> Misc.
[15:00] <doug_ellison> LCD status panels Backlit illumination after press of lamp button
[15:00] <doug_ellison> Custom functions 21 functions with 64 settings
[15:00] <doug_ellison> Personal functions 25 personal functions
[15:00] <doug_ellison> Firmware User updateable
[15:00] <doug_ellison> Audible confirmation Power switch turned to speaker icon:
[15:00] <doug_ellison> 1. Focus achieved in one-shot AF mode
[15:00] <doug_ellison> 2. Focus achieved in manual focus mode
[15:00] <doug_ellison> Flash
[15:00] <doug_ellison> External flash 1. E-TTL autoflash
[15:00] <doug_ellison> 2. High-Speed sync (FP Flash) - up to 1/16,000 sec
[15:00] <doug_ellison> 3. FE (Flash Exposure) Lock
[15:00] <doug_ellison> 4. Flash exposure compensation
[15:00] <doug_ellison> 5. FEB (Flash Exposure Bracketing)
[15:00] <doug_ellison> 6. E-TTL wireless autoflash with multipple Speedlites
[15:01] <doug_ellison> AF Assist beam Automatic with suitable Canon Speedlite
[15:01] <doug_ellison> Flash X-Sync 1/500 sec
[15:01] <doug_ellison> Sync termainl PC terminal
[15:01] <doug_ellison> Playback
[15:01] <doug_ellison> Playback modes
[15:01] <doug_ellison> 1. Single image with information (including histogram)
[15:01] <nitroball> did the camera lens fog up on the way down?
[15:01] <doug_ellison> 2. Single image
[15:01] <doug_ellison> 3. Four image index
[15:01] <doug_ellison> 4. Nine image index
[15:01] <doug_ellison> Highlight alert In display modes 1 or 2, overexposed highlight areas will blink
[15:01] <doug_ellison> AF point indicator In display mode 1
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[15:02] Action: ShellEvil floods doug_ellison.
[15:02] <ShellEvil> With plain yogurt.
[15:03] <doug_ellison> Seriously - I copied one line from DPreview, hit paste - and that was it.
[15:03] <doug_ellison> it jsut did the whole damn lot in one chunk
[15:05] <fnoble> doug_ellison, on the videos where the sun is in full view, what causes the wwhole band of bleached out ness?
[15:05] <fnoble> it doesnt look right for an optical lens flare type thing to me
[15:05] <robert1971> Big congrats to CUSF on a successfull flight.
[15:05] <ShellEvil> fnoble: it's not
[15:05] <doug_ellison> It's a CCD symptom
[15:06] <ShellEvil> fnoble: it's the electron 'wells' in the CCD getting full
[15:06] <doug_ellison> Basically, the pixel fills up - and vomits the remaining photons into next-door
[15:06] <ShellEvil> fnoble: and spilling over into the neighbouring area
[15:06] <fnoble> cool
[15:08] <edmoore> fnoble: perversely, laurence had problems with his CMOS sensors doing that
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[15:09] <edmoore> the actual disc of the sun came out black
[15:09] <edmoore> the coron exposed ok
[15:09] <edmoore> corona*
[15:09] <fnoble> edmoore, yeswe get that on the prems all the time if you remember
[15:09] <edmoore> I don't remember
[15:09] <fnoble> there are some videos of it somewhere
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[15:09] <edmoore> but... I have an especresso machine churning next to me
[15:09] <edmoore> so soon I will get my brain back
[15:10] <jcoxon> afternoon all
[15:11] <fnoble> jcoxon, hello
[15:11] <jcoxon> hey fnoble
[15:14] <doug_ellison> MVI_9673 MVI_9673 MVI_9673 MVI_9673 - BURST MOVIE
[15:14] <doug_ellison> Sorry - that came across like a 5 year old.
[15:15] <edmoore> Ha HA!!!!!
[15:15] <edmoore> amazing!
[15:15] <edmoore> what a stonker!
[15:16] <fnoble> AWESOME (from all three of us here)
[15:16] <fnoble> love the way the shreads look like they are sucked upwards
[15:16] <fnoble> because we accelerate faster
[15:17] <jcoxon> very cool
[15:17] <jcoxon> so
[15:17] <jcoxon> whats the next project :-p
[15:17] <edmoore> fnoble and i just agreed not to discuss that today
[15:18] <jcoxon> haha
[15:18] <edmoore> want to see what's made of the raw nova8/haps-d data
[15:18] <fnoble> should be a fun evening
[15:19] <jcoxon> surely you guys need some sleep eventually
[15:19] <doug_ellison> I survive on data
[15:20] <fnoble> jcoxon, today is a new day
[15:20] <doug_ellison> In the Focus driving to the first rendezvous - we decided that we need to do a two way radio with the Big Red automated VW Toureg, so it will just go and recover for us
[15:20] <fnoble> if i sleep now i will only wake up at 3am
[15:20] <doug_ellison> Oh oh....when we get the evil lare - we have to print out the uber-pan from HAPS1 and print it around the whole tank part
[15:21] <edmoore> :)
[15:22] <jcoxon> found another water tower
[15:22] <jcoxon> its near me
[15:22] <jcoxon> but its bigger then most toweres
[15:22] <doug_ellison> You're too close to the damn water
[15:22] <edmoore> uplink is certainly on the list, but that's just technical rather than conceptual
[15:22] <edmoore> but for ZPs we will want to be able to command a cutdown
[15:22] <ShellEvil> Why?
[15:22] <edmoore> because they don't burst
[15:22] <doug_ellison> It'll never come down otherwise
[15:22] <edmoore> so will stay there forever
[15:22] <jcoxon> it'll come down eventually
[15:22] <jcoxon> :-)
[15:22] <ShellEvil> Why would you want to cutdown not on 'outside specified volume' ?
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[15:23] <edmoore> so if we were to do sunrise mission again, say, we would launch at 2am, and it'd be up there at a stable, stationary altitude of, say 35km
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[15:23] <edmoore> just drifting very slowly in the near-zilch winds
[15:23] <edmoore> and it would wait for sunrise to come to it
[15:23] <edmoore> rather than being times to intercept it, which is quite hard to get right
[15:23] <ShellEvil> (or time)
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[15:24] <edmoore> ShellEvil: well we can do more decision making and analysis on the ground
[15:24] <edmoore> than we can program intelligence on the flight computer
[15:24] <edmoore> so we may aswell make the decisions
[15:25] <edmoore> given we're talking about much longer missions
[15:26] <edmoore> but you are right, there is no inherent reason to change the modus operandi
[15:28] <fnoble> oooh the pr people who are handling the 800 competition stuff are submitting our photos to the national newspapers tomorrow
[15:29] <fnoble> :)
[15:29] <ShellEvil> bbc/... too prolly.
[15:29] <ShellEvil> slashdot?
[15:29] <fnoble> well they arent techy pr people
[15:29] <fnoble> prolly not heard of /.
[15:30] <doug_ellison> Arhgh - give us the w'end to do some hawsome mosaics first you bastards
[15:30] <ShellEvil> Get with Laurenceb, get a list of addresses, and cutdown when it's in flightrange of someones house.
[15:31] <fnoble> doug_ellison, bad timing, they were doing a press release that was going to be sent out today
[15:31] <ShellEvil> Have it chase you!
[15:31] <fnoble> but we phoned them early this morning and they said they would hold it
[15:31] <edmoore> ShellEvil: being on /. is old news :p
[15:31] <fnoble> we should get a bunch up on our website today then
[15:31] <ShellEvil> True.
[15:32] <ShellEvil> Is it bad though?
[15:32] <edmoore> fnoble: do we get feedback on who?
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[15:32] <edmoore> i.e. who will run it? or do they just submit and see
[15:33] <edmoore> in the style of suck-it-and-see
[15:33] <fnoble> edmoore, think they will submit and see
[15:33] <fnoble> dunno much about it relly
[15:33] <edmoore> ok, well I'll keep my eyes peeled
[15:33] <fnoble> they dont really tell us much
[15:34] <doug_ellison> I'll be stringing all the movies together into 10 minute chunks later
[15:34] <doug_ellison> with mine rotated around
[15:34] <edmoore> super
[15:34] <fnoble> they are mainly working on the whole university 800 campaign so i dont think we are the top of thier priority list
[15:34] <fnoble> but something may come of it
[15:35] <doug_ellison> Do we have an altitude for today?
[15:37] <ShellEvil> 34Km ish
[15:37] <edmoore> 32880 was the highest I saw on the telem
[15:37] <edmoore> nah, didn't break 33km
[15:38] <edmoore> it was a solid old payload it was hoising
[15:38] <edmoore> hoisting*
[15:38] <ShellEvil> k
[15:38] <doug_ellison> Fatty here bolted on top didn't help :)
[15:39] <edmoore> 32880 is respectable
[15:39] <edmoore> it would have been the uk record a month ago
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[15:41] <fnoble> edmoore, i saw a 32900 there
[15:41] <fnoble> will get the sd from the badger
[15:42] <fnoble> decamping to the dpo soon to update the website
[15:42] <ShellEvil> I wonder about poking the PR peeps of canon/nikon/fuji/... would be a good plan
[15:42] <edmoore> ShellEvil: on the todo list
[15:44] <doug_ellison> Canon - seing as we've given them about ?200...and done awesomeness with their kit ;)
[15:44] <doug_ellison> Anything with Powershot at the front, and IS at the end
[15:45] <edmoore> I was thinking EOS5D
[15:45] <edmoore> with a 14mm EL at the end
[15:45] <edmoore> may aswell go the whole hog
[15:46] <edmoore> please don't copy and paste the dpreview of the %d
[15:46] <edmoore> 5D*
[15:46] <ShellEvil> http://www.canon.co.uk/For_Home/Product_Finder/Cameras/Digital_SLR/EOS-1Ds_Mark_III/index.asp
[15:46] <ShellEvil> yow.
[15:46] <ShellEvil> 21MP
[15:46] <edmoore> and 21kg
[15:47] <ShellEvil> I hadn't realised they'd got that far.
[15:48] <fnoble> ShellEvil, i think they have got to 65mp
[15:48] <fnoble> sensor the size of medium format film frame
[15:48] <ShellEvil> I mean readily commecially available.
[15:48] <fnoble> quality far exceeds even a large format camera then
[15:48] <fnoble> *though
[15:49] <doug_ellison> This is what you want :) http://www.sony.co.uk/product/cam-high-definition-on-memory-stick/hdr-tg3e
[15:49] <ShellEvil> Not 'I has a 300mm fab, and convinced someone'
[15:50] <doug_ellison> Or this http://www.steves-digicams.com/2007_reviews/canon_tx1.html
[15:51] <ShellEvil> I think practically unfortunately air-mass is going to limit most of the shots.
[15:51] <ShellEvil> It'd need to be mostly pointed down.
[15:54] <doug_ellison> Depends if you want to film funky balloon dynamics, or survey the pub you land next to
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[15:57] <edmoore> gotta film balloon and chute inflation next time
[15:58] <doug_ellison> Yup
[15:58] <fnoble> ok, bbiab
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[15:59] <doug_ellison> Spot the difference - 800 competition camera - PICT0709 and PICT0710
[16:02] <edmoore> ha
[16:02] <edmoore> it disappeared
[16:03] <edmoore> they have a habbit of doing that
[16:03] <edmoore> shame we didn't have a banana to drop
[16:04] <edmoore> I'd just love to be a fly on the wall when Jane sems a banana fall from the sky and land on their conservatory
[16:04] <edmoore> and try and figure out with husband john what combination of circumstances would allow such a thing to happen
[16:04] <doug_ellison> I've rolled eggs out the back of a C130 with the tail life down
[16:04] <doug_ellison> lift, even.
[16:04] <doug_ellison> Most of them ended up in Cheddar Gorge
[16:04] <edmoore> that could be explained by an excited chicken in flight
[16:05] <edmoore> there are no flying banana trees
[16:05] <doug_ellison> Three large eagles could carry a bannana
[16:05] <doug_ellison> A chimp, with a sling shot
[16:05] <doug_ellison> Strong winds in Israel
[16:05] <edmoore> actually the banana would have frozen
[16:05] <edmoore> and thus would probably hve gone through the conservatory
[16:05] <doug_ellison> And into Jane
[16:06] <doug_ellison> Try explaining THAT in A&E
[16:07] Action: SpeedEvil ponders a sun-lounger.
[16:08] <doug_ellison> Complete descent movie from the HAPS cam, rotated properly, uploading to vimeo
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[16:32] <robert1973> Do you know how they read the data from badger was it rtty?
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[16:45] <RocketBoyv1> robert1973: I'm sure it would have been
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[17:21] <edmoore> calm before the storm
[17:21] <RocketBoyv1> what it?
[17:21] <RocketBoyv1> is
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[17:22] <fnoble> hello
[17:23] <JamesCanvin> I'm busy downloading - and gawping at the images as they come down.
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[17:23] <JamesCanvin> You all see the video of the balloon burst? - http://vimeo.com/1626665
[17:24] <edmoore> JamesCanvin: yep!
[17:24] <edmoore> a lucky capture
[17:24] <edmoore> RocketBoyv1: the lull whilst all the pics get disseminated and processed and vids uploaded and stuff
[17:25] <RocketBoyv1> ah!
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[17:27] <j-nd-> hi
[17:27] <j-nd-> how did it go?
[17:28] <ShellEvil> http://vimeo.com/1626665
[17:28] <ShellEvil> burst at 33km
[17:28] <ShellEvil> <JamesCanvin> You all see the video of the balloon burst? -
[17:28] <ShellEvil> http://vimeo.com/1626665
[17:29] <j-nd-> again 33km? :)
[17:29] <edmoore> j-nd-: http://gallery.me.com/djellison/100034
[17:30] <SpikeUK> Hi all! Brilliant¬
[17:31] <j-nd-> looks better than last time
[17:32] <j-nd-> vimeo kills safari @ win32
[17:33] <ShellEvil> Aww.
[17:34] <ShellEvil> dou: how large vid?
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[17:37] <jcoxon> edmoore, ping
[17:38] <ShellEvil> Ah - descent video loads now!
[17:38] <ShellEvil> Wow - that's smooth - before burst.
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[17:46] <j-nd-1> I'll watch it at home
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[17:56] <ShellEvil> Hmm. massive condensation on the lens.
[17:57] <j-nd-> was there temp sensor?
[17:57] <ShellEvil> Doubt it.
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[18:01] <fnoble> ShellEvil: :p
[18:01] <fnoble> no, we didnt fix the temp sensor
[18:02] <fnoble> decided not to bother with it until we get new pcbs through
[18:02] <robert1973> chat later
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[18:02] <fnoble> its buried under a lot of epoxy at the moment
[18:14] <ShellEvil> Practically, it doesn't really matter.
[18:14] <ShellEvil> It's going to be ~-50C at the top.
[18:14] <ShellEvil> so the camera is going to be sitting at -20C or so.
[18:14] <ShellEvil> Hence condensation in any but the driest air.
[18:15] <ShellEvil> Unless you heat the camera or window.
[18:15] <fnoble> ShellEvil: but the air pressure is so low any moisture just boils off
[18:18] <fnoble> its when you are at a more intermmediate hight you have problems
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[18:27] <ShellEvil> fnoble: I mean that it condenses when you get the cold-soaked camera falling through moist clouds.
[18:30] <ed_moore> i think lens heating is eminantly do-able
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[18:31] <ShellEvil> Probably worth it putting the camera in a little foil baggie too.
[18:31] <fnoble> ed_moore: its a fairly standard thing to do
[18:31] <fnoble> ShellEvil: the camera was in a "warm box"
[18:32] <ed_moore> used to make little heaters fot telescopes
[18:32] <fnoble> ed_moore: i have photos of the welder coming soon
[18:32] <ed_moore> maybe we could fly a hairdryer
[18:32] <fnoble> when i get back to queens
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[18:32] <ed_moore> ok great. email email email
[18:33] <fnoble> in the dpo now
[18:33] <ed_moore> poor thing
[18:33] <fnoble> nearly fell asleep on my keyboard
[18:34] <fnoble> need to make it to at least 8pm otherwise my bodyclock will be beyond repair
[18:36] <j-nd-> fubar'd :p
[18:36] <ed_moore> i just had a bar of cadburies
[18:36] <ed_moore> and a shower
[18:36] <j-nd-> right, going home
[18:36] <ed_moore> and a caffetiere
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[18:37] <ed_moore> and a shave
[18:37] <ed_moore> and now I am right as rain
[18:37] <ed_moore> am going out with sammi into ox this eve
[18:37] <ed_moore> hence the cafetiere
[18:37] <ed_moore> i left my laptop psu at work (d'oh!!) so am mibbiting from post office computer
[18:38] <ed_moore> but no photoshop to try some of this stitchinbg lark
[18:38] <fnoble> ed_moore: ok cool
[18:39] <fnoble> will mosey over to queens now then
[18:40] <fnoble> and chat when i get there
[18:40] <fnoble> bbiab
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[19:05] <JamesCanvin> btw just stitching a 360 degree horizon pan right now - it's one hell of a view :)
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[19:07] <fnoble> ed_moore, hello again
[19:07] <ed_moore> JamesCanvin: Cannot wait
[19:07] <ed_moore> I am going out this eve, but I think I will be l;ooking forward to coming back and seeing it more
[19:07] <ed_moore> hi fnoble
[19:08] <ed_moore> fnoble: regrettably need to go and get the 7.20 bus
[19:08] <fnoble> JamesCanvin, hows it going?
[19:08] <fnoble> ed_moore, i see
[19:09] <ed_moore> so I'll catch y'all later
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[19:15] <JamesCanvin> stitcher just finished!
[19:15] <fnoble> :D
[19:15] <akawaka> pics?
[19:19] <SpeedEvil> Pity so many clouds.
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[19:30] <akawaka> url?
[19:32] <JamesCanvin> Still working on it - will post URL when it's online.
[19:32] <JamesCanvin> 15 -20 mins
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[19:39] <robert1971> Has someone got the link to the pics from lastnight? I'v lost it
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[20:05] <JamesCanvin> 360 degree horizon panorama - http://www.nivnac.co.uk/blog1.php/2008/08/29/haps-d-nova8-360-degree-panorama
[20:25] <robert1971> Thanks for that James
[20:26] <robert1971> Your wife's away tonight if I remember correctly. So you have had time to have a play
[20:26] <jiffe98> that vidfeo is sweet
[20:26] <jiffe98> what is the framerate on that?
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[20:38] <robert1971> Everyone must be asleep today
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[20:39] <JamesCanvin> robert1971, Yes she's just got back so perfect timing
[20:52] <robert1971> I have one to, and 3 kids to boot 1, 4 & 8
[20:53] <robert1971> ping natrium42 ...
[20:54] <natrium42> hey
[20:54] <natrium42> looking at the pictures
[20:55] <robert1971> natrium42: Hi, I guess everyone's asleep. I haven't found the link to all the pics yet. Sort of want to keep some excitement left for my own launch
[20:55] <robert1971> It's going to be a bit of a damp squib compared to what we have had in the past week.
[20:56] <robert1971> Cam I be a bit cheeky an nick a couple of ideas out of your tracker. I would like to nick the moffit (irc thing) and the Ustreem idea
[20:56] <robert1971> I'm hoping to develop a bit of a custome tracker for the Icarus launch
[20:57] <natrium42> sure thing
[20:57] <natrium42> i should also put the source of the new version up
[20:58] <robert1971> I would also like to use your tracker though as I doublt I'll get to the sophistication you have got to with the tracking of nmea data
[20:58] <robert1971> Hope to trial possibly next w/e or the w/e after
[20:59] <robert1971> Teathered launch to 500 ft with gps and chase cars. Not doing more than a few miles around the ballon
[20:59] <natrium42> i have put up the format if you need it --> http://wiki.ukhas.org.uk/projects:tracker
[21:00] <robert1971> Great. I would like to have a go at a tracker as well to hopefully feed in a few ideas of my own. Like a count down timer witha big pause button :)
[21:01] <natrium42> that's a good idea
[21:04] <robert1971> Ok I just read the wiki and I'm going to use your code and move it on from there. Seems mad to reinvent the wheel. I'll put in some customizations and you feel free to take or leave them
[21:05] <robert1971> I'll credit you for most of the work on the tracker too
[21:05] <robert1971> most = all :)
[21:06] <natrium42> yah, no need to reinvent the wheel
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[21:22] <robert1971> natrium42: www.robertharrison.org/tracker :) Thanks
[21:25] <robert1971> natrium42: Do I need to redirect the email for tracker to a script from the aliases file?
[21:27] <natrium42> yes, you need to redirect emails to track.php
[21:27] <robert1971> might be worth putting that on the wiki and the readme
[21:27] <natrium42> yah
[21:28] <natrium42> i just wanted to upload the new tracker as well
[21:28] <robert1971> track |track.php ?
[21:28] <natrium42> yep
[21:28] <robert1971> The one with ustream and the moffit
[21:28] <natrium42> though you might need full path
[21:28] <robert1971> sure
[21:28] <natrium42> and pictures
[21:28] <natrium42> it should be customizable
[21:29] <natrium42> so that you can control whether you want mibbit, ustream and live pictures
[21:29] <natrium42> bbl food
[21:29] <robert1971> mibbit oops I thought it was moffit
[21:29] <robert1971> ttfn
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[21:49] <robert1971> natrium42: When you get back I'm having a little difficulty
[21:56] <robert1971> natrium42: http://www.robertharrison.org/tracker/data.php This looks ok to me
[21:57] <robert1971> natrium42: Screen seems to be stuck refreshing
[22:03] <natrium42> robert1971, it's a security problem
[22:03] <natrium42> your site has www, but the data url has no www
[22:03] <natrium42> http://robertharrison.org/tracker/ should work
[22:09] <robert1971> oops
[22:10] <robert1971> Thanks. Working fine now
[22:21] <Laurenceb> hello all
[22:21] <Laurenceb> where are ze photos ?
[22:22] Action: Laurenceb scrolls back
[22:22] <Laurenceb> aha
[22:22] <natrium42> http://gallery.me.com/djellison#100034
[22:23] <natrium42> http://www.nivnac.co.uk/blog1.php/2008/08/29/haps-d-nova8-360-degree-panorama
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[22:23] <doug_ellison> Lots of videos coming online here - http://vimeo.com/user331408/videos
[22:23] <jcoxon> evening all
[22:23] <Laurenceb> hello
[22:23] <robert1971> evening JamesCanvin
[22:24] <robert1971> oops
[22:24] <Laurenceb> this sounds good
[22:24] <robert1971> evening jcoxon even
[22:24] <Laurenceb> pity firefox has crashed
[22:24] <Laurenceb> grrr
[22:24] <icez> those pictures are awesome
[22:25] <jcoxon> Laurenceb, ram problems? :-)
[22:25] <robert1971> jcoxon: I'm holding ukhas responsible for this purchase today :) http://www.radioworld.co.uk/~radio/catalog/yaesu-ft817-p-348.html?osCsid=08a6cc52910a4d1743ed4fd0b59460ef
[22:26] <Laurenceb> jcoxon: partly
[22:26] <Laurenceb> mainly just firefox being its usual self
[22:28] <jcoxon> robert1971, not my fault!
[22:28] <jcoxon> that said its a pretty impressive bit of kit
[22:28] <Laurenceb> oh wow
[22:28] <Laurenceb> amazing
[22:28] <jcoxon> robert1971, do you have a licence?
[22:28] <jcoxon> (of course you don't need one to transmit)
[22:28] <jcoxon> oops
[22:28] <jcoxon> i mean receive
[22:29] <robert1971> Will be listening for a few weeks, but I have located a local ham group for a quick foundation course
[22:29] <robert1971> 12 hrs
[22:29] <jcoxon> cool
[22:30] <robert1971> I have the syllabus here in fromt of me
[22:30] <Laurenceb> you need a license to own a reciever?!
[22:30] <robert1971> Yep that's what they said at the shop for the TV
[22:30] <Laurenceb> haha
[22:30] <robert1971> Only kidding :-)
[22:31] <Laurenceb> sounds silly to me
[22:31] <Laurenceb> I was considering an icom scanner... then I ran out of cash :P
[22:32] <jcoxon> robert1971, have you bought it?
[22:32] <robert1971> I spent an hour on the phone to the guy at radio world and then I just handed over my card details. He was one hell of a talker and I had to get rid of him
[22:32] <robert1971> Yep
[22:32] <jcoxon> oh okay
[22:32] <robert1971> Arrives monday! Has a data port and can be controlled by computer apparently
[22:32] <jcoxon> ooo that is helpful
[22:33] <Laurenceb> nice
[22:33] <robert1971> I can allways change it if you have any thoughts
[22:33] <jcoxon> check ebay
[22:33] <robert1971> Won't be shipped till then
[22:33] <jcoxon> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/FT-817-TRANCEIVER_W0QQitemZ200248903141QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item200248903141&_trkparms=72%3A985|39%3A1|66%3A2|65%3A12|240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
[22:33] <robert1971> It's a cheeky purchase through work :)
[22:34] <robert1971> I'll come of my drawings somewhere but not for a year or so
[22:34] <Laurenceb> fnoble: where do you get your forecast data?
[22:35] <robert1971> It will*
[22:36] <doug_ellison> Right - all the movies are strung together here now : http://vimeo.com/user331408/videos
[22:36] <robert1971> I thought that it would be good to know the history of the radio and it will probably have a long use in my hands
[22:38] <jcoxon> its a really nice radio
[22:38] <jcoxon> being on the 2m and 10m bands is cool as well
[22:38] <jcoxon> in the winter with the Spirit of Knoxville launches that'll come in useful
[22:39] <Laurenceb> watching atm
[22:40] <robert1971> He saved me buying a hand held one said that there are better port options on the mobile ones. I must of sounded pretty thick as I told him I knew nothing but I wanted to track balloons using beacons sending rtty and to decode on my pc. He recommened this over the icon handheld which apparently doen't have such easy connectivity
[22:40] <Laurenceb> pity its a ccd camera - you get the horizontal band
[22:41] <robert1971> I'm going to need some poor soul to show me the ropes at some point.
[22:41] <jcoxon> oh i think a foundation course with the local ham group will be perfect
[22:41] <jcoxon> i'm going on my foundation course at the end of september
[22:42] <robert1971> THen i'm going to be allowed to transmit at 10w
[22:42] <robert1971> Should be straight forward looking at the syllabus
[22:43] <robert1971> I like the beep on the payload. Is that for the last 100m search
[22:43] <doug_ellison> The beep is from the other cameras
[22:44] <jcoxon> robert1971, 10W on the ground, still only 10mW in the air :-p
[22:44] <robert1971> You guys gave me an idea to shove another static camera in my payload. I have one on a servo but if it gets cold at least I'll have some pics from the internal one.
[22:45] <robert1971> It'll give me some practice at 10w
[22:45] <Laurenceb> the burst video is amazing
[22:45] <robert1971> Or is it 10mW on the ground for foundation. Let me see
[22:45] <Laurenceb> I thought anyone could use 10mw without a license?
[22:45] <Laurenceb> (at 434MHz)
[22:46] <jcoxon> Laurenceb, yeah 10mW is unlicenced
[22:46] <doug_ellison> Yeah - you need a lic to transmit more than 10mw...but...you can't transmit more than 10mw at altitude. ( I think that's right)
[22:47] <jcoxon> yes
[22:47] <robert1971> Yep
[22:47] <robert1971> 10W for foundation
[22:48] <robert1971> jcoxon You did to track badger for as long as you did if it was only at 10mW
[22:48] <robert1971> well
[22:48] <jcoxon> 10mW is quite trackable
[22:48] <robert1971> With a yagi?
[22:48] <jcoxon> the reason for the incomplete track this morning was that i feel asleep
[22:48] <robert1971> Excuse my ignorance
[22:48] <jcoxon> and didn't keep the radio on the right freq as it was drifting
[22:49] <jcoxon> nah i was just using my whip indoors
[22:49] <jcoxon> a yagi makes it a lot better but a whip is pretty damn good
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[22:49] <robert1971> I went to bed after you lost it. BTW did you get my postit. It took me longer to find the application that to write the note
[22:49] <robert1971> than*
[22:49] <jcoxon> yeah i got hte postit - was a good note
[22:50] <robert1971> Just playing with natrium42's tracker. Doing a few mods for use with icarus on the big day and doing a bit of testing
[22:50] <jcoxon> icarus going to use rtty?
[22:52] <jcoxon> i'm happy to provide similar tracking on the day
[22:52] <robert1971> Not on day one. But you bet for the future. There is a guy down the road. I live in the country, and he has a fucking huge antenae in his front garden... Like 50 meters high. I'm going to go an see him tomorrow and find out what he can hear with that thing. I'm betting he could track badger from here
[22:52] <robert1971> Great
[22:53] <robert1971> Will take you up on that and I'll choose a more civilised launch time :)
[22:53] <jcoxon> yes please
[22:53] <jcoxon> i need my sleep
[22:53] <robert1971> Not much though you all one here all the time
[22:54] <robert1971> I will learn to type one day
[22:54] <jcoxon> especially as watching the signal form making sure the AFC is working is quite montomous
[22:54] <jcoxon> and avoiding hte occasional corrupt data point getting through
[22:54] <robert1971> I can't wait to get the radio. Esp linking it to the pc for rtty
[22:55] <robert1971> Do you use the radios for coms between the case cars when tracking
[22:55] <robert1971> chase*
[22:56] <SpeedEvil> 50m doesn't help at all robert1971 really.
[22:56] <SpeedEvil> robert1971: Unless you're close enough that 50m means you have line-of-sight on it from launch.
[22:57] <robert1971> Ahh thats why it's so high. The house is allready at 400m above sea level
[22:58] <robert1971> That might be feet actually
[22:58] <doug_ellison> We used crappy little public band walkie talkies today for between-car comms.
[22:58] <jcoxon> out of interest i managed to pickup the transmission this morning when it had reached 400m
[22:58] <doug_ellison> But to be honest, mobile phones are probably better anyway
[22:58] <jcoxon> alt that is
[22:59] <doug_ellison> jcoxon - did the postman bring presents?
[22:59] <jcoxon> indeed!
[23:00] <jcoxon> thank you
[23:01] <robert1971> I want a bleep on my payload. Sounds comforting on the video
[23:01] <jcoxon> makes other people suspicious?
[23:02] <robert1971> I'll put a switch on the outside so they can turn it off if they find it.
[23:02] <jcoxon> okay
[23:02] <robert1971> And a bit radioactive sign on the inside to stop them playing with it ! NOT!
[23:03] <Laurenceb> "a bit radioactive" ?
[23:03] <robert1971> big
[23:03] Action: Laurenceb considers this as a new sign
[23:03] <doug_ellison> You're 53km from C'hill - so 400m means you got it at ...er half a degree?
[23:04] <Laurenceb> http://www2.csusm.edu/rms/images/Radioactive%20Waste%20Tag.jpg
[23:04] <Laurenceb> like that but with "a bit" added on :P
[23:04] <doug_ellison> No beeps, no flashes - it'll make people thing it' something more than it is
[23:05] <jcoxon> yeah that was what i was trying to imply
[23:05] <jcoxon> don't make it flash or beep
[23:05] <jcoxon> stick a radio beacon onboard instead
[23:05] <jcoxon> and walk around with yagis
[23:06] <doug_ellison> I thought we got very good receptions given that we looks like some sort of geek cult walking up to peoples front doors
[23:07] <jcoxon> yeah
[23:07] <jcoxon> they loved it
[23:07] <jcoxon> ooo did anyone email the guy?
[23:07] <doug_ellison> VERY good point - I'll send one RIGHT now
[23:07] <jcoxon> i don't remeber who wrote down the address
[23:07] <jcoxon> cool cool
[23:08] <robert1971> Do they get a free picture for their part in the game
[23:08] <jcoxon> perhaps we should email Cory Doctrow in the Blogosphere - its the sort of things he likes
[23:09] <jcoxon> robert1971, he was intrigued so we said we'd email him a link to the pics
[23:09] <robert1971> Be nice if you printed a good one out for them and signed it. Perhaps that's just me.
[23:10] <robert1971> Right I'm ging quite for an hour to work on some mods to natrium42's tracker.
[23:11] <jcoxon> i'm off
[23:11] <jcoxon> night all
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[23:11] <robert1971> jcoxon just a quicky
[23:11] <robert1971> shit he's quick
[23:15] <doug_ellison> http://vimeo.com/1628991 - movie of all the stills from one camera
[23:23] <akawaka> did you guys use any uv filters?
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[23:54] <Laurenceb> fnoble: about?
[23:57] <Laurenceb> hmm what could a "pointer targets differ in signedness" warning from gcc be about?
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