highaltitude.log.20080803

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[00:18] <Shanuson> arg hold
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[00:39] <Shanuson> now they are talking
[00:45] <EI5GTB> http://paulsnet.org/zomg.jpg
[00:45] <EI5GTB> weirdness
[00:45] <EI5GTB> http://paulsnet.org/newb.jpg
[00:45] <EI5GTB> it was self portrait time tonight
[00:47] <fnoble_> very pink floyd
[00:47] <EI5GTB> oooh, i love pink floyd
[00:51] <fnoble_> ok, last 4gb stick transfer
[00:51] <fnoble_> its leopard time
[00:56] <Laurenceb__> is this edmoores spider bot? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7532162.stm
[00:57] <fnoble_> no but ed worked with the guy who made that one
[00:58] <Laurenceb__> cool
[00:58] <fnoble_> i think they collaborated on it a bit i think
[00:58] <Laurenceb__> IMO the other thing is more of a puppet
[00:58] <fnoble_> he makes animatronics for a living i think
[00:58] <Laurenceb__> that guy is just moving it about
[01:00] <Laurenceb__> still the eyes and throbbing led thingy are pretty cool
[01:00] <fnoble_> why has it been T-55mins for so long?!
[01:01] <fnoble_> (i have no sound here) :(
[01:05] <EI5GTB> i was more intersted in the face tracking bot
[01:05] <Laurenceb__> me too
[01:05] <EI5GTB> fnoble_, hold?
[01:06] <Laurenceb__> if I wanted puppets I'd watch punch and judy
[01:06] <EI5GTB> XD
[01:06] <EI5GTB> that face tracker had a coll...look
[01:06] <Laurenceb__> I like the chair at spacex hq
[01:06] <EI5GTB> moved well and all
[01:06] <Laurenceb__> *chairs
[01:07] <EI5GTB> i wonder would it be hard t make a face tracker
[01:07] <EI5GTB> would prolly need quite a bit of processing
[01:07] <Laurenceb__> I dont get it at all
[01:07] <EI5GTB> but in theory its not too hard
[01:08] <EI5GTB> but everything is easy in theory
[01:08] <EI5GTB> what dont you get?
[01:08] <Laurenceb__> different angles/contrast
[01:08] <Laurenceb__> its horrible
[01:08] <fnoble_> Rob is doing face tracking for his 4th year project
[01:08] <EI5GTB> orly?
[01:08] <EI5GTB> cool
[01:08] <fnoble_> (another CUSF guy, not on irc very often)
[01:08] <EI5GTB> im planning on studying communcations engineering, i wonder do i get to do that>?
[01:09] <Laurenceb__> how do you deal with the angle/size ect
[01:09] <EI5GTB> of the head?
[01:09] <Laurenceb__> that what I dont get
[01:09] <Laurenceb__> yes
[01:09] <EI5GTB> well, thats when all the diff pics come in
[01:09] <fnoble_> he is doing something along those lines... information and comms
[01:09] <EI5GTB> once you can establish the link between, say eyes and mouth
[01:09] <EI5GTB> you have where th head is
[01:09] <Laurenceb__> it could be anywhere in the field of view, at any angle to the line of sight ect
[01:09] <fnoble_> yeah its really clevel, uses a lot of neat inverse kinematics
[01:09] <EI5GTB> yea
[01:10] <Laurenceb__> sounds horrible
[01:10] <EI5GTB> right bed time for me
[01:10] <fnoble_> instead of saying how to move each joint you just give the end point of the arm a path to follow
[01:10] <EI5GTB> that would takke alot of functions!
[01:10] <Laurenceb__> whats that got to do with face recognition?
[01:11] <EI5GTB> moving the camera
[01:11] <fnoble_> Laurenceb__, othing, but is how the fluidity of movement is achieved
[01:11] <Laurenceb__> I see
[01:12] <fnoble_> there are some other neat videos of that bot on youtube
[01:12] <Laurenceb__> yeah these image recognition problems always confuse me as there are so many parameters and it seems to be a strong case of the inverse problem
[01:12] <fnoble_> also has things like force sensors on each foot and tries to maintain a constant force
[01:12] <fnoble_> so if you push it hard it will steap back as it moves along the floor
[01:12] <Laurenceb__> interesting
[01:12] <fnoble_> or will automatically adjust to uneven terrain
[01:13] <EI5GTB> i would love to get into robotics, but i think i need to exapnd my knowledge of microcontrollers first
[01:13] <Laurenceb__> ah like active suspension
[01:13] <EI5GTB> right bed gone night
[01:14] <fnoble_> night
[01:14] <Laurenceb__> cya
[01:14] <Shanuson> sound is really quite
[01:14] <Laurenceb__> I've always found robotics in the classic sense a pain as its so hard to build something good - wheras with say UAVs its not quite as bad
[01:15] <Shanuson> turn your sound really high
[01:16] <Shanuson> http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=13939.0 or you can read here
[01:17] <fnoble_> no i have a driver problem on this pc
[01:17] <Shanuson> oh
[01:17] <Laurenceb__> ok... I'm beginning to see how it could work - you run a simple search for possible eyes/nose ect - which picks up loads of candidates - then you search through applying standard 3D techniques to see if a face profile matches around them
[01:17] <fnoble_> and im reinstalling the os on my other atm :(
[01:17] <Laurenceb__> guess its not _too_ hard
[01:18] <Shanuson> still 36 min to go
[01:18] <Laurenceb__> but not something to try on a uC :P
[01:18] <Shanuson> and if you have luck, someone is recording that feed so you can watch it later
[01:19] <fnoble_> Laurenceb__, the face tracking isnt done on the uC
[01:19] <fnoble_> he cheats :)
[01:19] <Laurenceb__> ah
[01:19] <Shanuson> lol
[01:20] <Shanuson> quicktime died
[01:20] <fnoble_> all the movement etc is done on uc, and there are versions where everything runs on the uc just with no face tracking
[01:21] <Laurenceb__> pretty impressive to say the least
[01:23] <Laurenceb__> of course you could just cheat completely and make people wear flourescent dots
[01:23] <fnoble_> some cool retro space footage on bb4
[01:23] <fnoble_> *bbc4
[01:23] <Laurenceb__> what a space shuttle launch?
[01:25] <Laurenceb__> sorry bad joke
[01:27] <Shanuson> hm
[01:27] <Laurenceb__> hmm this must be costing them a bit of liquid oxygen
[01:27] <Shanuson> till t-0,5s they can stop the lunch
[01:27] <Shanuson> luanch
[01:27] <Shanuson> launch *grml*
[01:44] <Laurenceb__> wow thats one clean shop
[01:45] <Laurenceb__> they've been polishing that floor XD
[01:45] <Shanuson> hm
[01:46] <Shanuson> dont know how it looks when they are not recording a video
[01:46] <Laurenceb__> makes it look easy
[01:46] <Laurenceb__> pity those cnc mills probably cost in the hundereds of grand at least
[01:48] <Shanuson> hm staring fuel offload <- doesn't sound good
[01:49] <Laurenceb__> nah
[01:49] <Laurenceb__> looks like its cancelled
[01:49] <Shanuson> hm
[01:49] <Laurenceb__> oh well time for bed
[01:49] <Laurenceb__> cya
[01:49] <Shanuson> cya
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[04:25] <soneil> they just reset the launch for t-10. and everyone's gone to bed. :/
[04:27] <fnoble_> im here
[04:28] <soneil> http://www.spacex.com/webcast.php was aiming for 1am, but just got interesting :)
[04:29] <fnoble_> yeah its 4:30 here
[04:29] <fnoble_> :/
[04:30] Action: natrium42 is here
[04:30] <soneil> yeah, I'm on bst too
[04:30] <fnoble_> oh of course i forgot
[04:30] <fnoble_> soz
[04:36] <fnoble_> sweeeeeeeet
[04:37] <natrium42> anomaly
[04:37] <natrium42> damn
[04:38] <soneil> why do nasa never put cameras on the outside of the vehicle?
[04:38] <SpeedEvil> They do.
[04:38] <soneil> hm, I've never seen that
[04:38] <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxnzLBjin7A&feature=related
[04:39] <soneil> thanks
[04:39] <SpeedEvil> Now that's cooking with gas! (hydrogen)
[04:49] <SpeedEvil> http://www.spaceflightnowplus.com/index.php?k=STS-122&s=date&t=Shuttle+Mission+STS-122
[04:49] <SpeedEvil> The SRB cams showing them going up and crashing to the ocean are fun.
[05:02] <SpeedEvil> Oooh - cockpit landing vid.
[05:02] <SpeedEvil> The thing's got the gliding ability of a brick.
[05:03] <soneil> yeah. it's not really designed to fly. it's more of a graceful crash
[05:04] <soneil> pilots have a joke that it's a good landing if you can walk away, and a great one if you can use the a/c again. that really seems true of the shuttle
[05:05] <SpeedEvil> STS-1 almost lost it IIRC.
[05:05] <soneil> I'm getting the feeling it's "outlook not so good" for spacex
[05:06] <SpeedEvil> you mean this launch?
[05:06] <soneil> yeah
[05:06] <soneil> it switched to intertial guidance, then the camera feed dropped, the presenters said "there's been an anomaly", then no news since
[05:09] <soneil> LEO is typically about 700 seconds. launch was 35 minutes ago. whether it's in orbit, or the indian ocean, should be pretty conclusive by now (imo)
[05:17] <soneil> I'm starting to think Scotty's a bit of a curse. he had ashes on this one too
[05:29] <natrium42> soneil, rocket was destroyed
[05:29] <natrium42> or rather, lost
[05:29] <natrium42> --> http://kwajrockets.blogspot.com/2008/08/rocket-is-lost.html
[05:34] <soneil> I hope they gave scotty floats. it was hard enough to find him last time
[05:37] <SpeedEvil> Ah
[05:38] <SpeedEvil> :/
[05:38] <SpeedEvil> Conclusive proof that the engines really couldn't take it.
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[06:26] <soneil_> I'm half tempted to get a ups just for my modem. something about that strikes me as wrong tho
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[07:07] <natrium42> hey akawaka
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[08:13] <jcoxon> so no launch :-(
[08:13] <icez> :[
[08:16] <jcoxon> what happened to the rocket?
[08:16] <jcoxon> all teh news sites seem rather vague
[08:18] <soneil> separation failed
[08:19] <soneil> there's not much more because spacex haven't told much more
[08:20] <soneil> everything I've seen is just a rehash of http://www.spacex.com/updates.php
[08:20] <jcoxon> so it left the launch pad
[08:21] <soneil> yeah, it all looked pretty. some slight wobbling about 2 minutes into it, then the video feed lost at 2.20
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[08:29] <natrium42> jcoxon, failure with separation of 2nd stage
[08:30] <jcoxon> oh okay
[08:37] <natrium42> jcoxon, i finished the interface part of the tracker
[08:37] <natrium42> http://natrium42.com/tracker/
[08:38] <natrium42> click onto "Add Picture Test" to test adding pictures
[08:38] <natrium42> not tested in many browsers yet
[08:38] <natrium42> i wonder if safari works
[08:38] <natrium42> anyway, next step is the backend
[08:41] <jcoxon> i can't seem to click on it
[08:42] <jcoxon> oh wait
[08:42] <natrium42> hmm, which browser?
[08:42] <jcoxon> the pictures appear
[08:42] <natrium42> ok, good
[08:42] <jcoxon> firefox on os x
[08:42] <natrium42> it's just a test :)
[08:42] <jcoxon> but there is no 'click'
[08:42] <natrium42> yeah, that's fine
[08:42] <natrium42> does safari work?
[08:43] Action: natrium42 too lazy to reboot to osx
[08:43] <jcoxon> yup
[08:43] <natrium42> no graphical flaws?
[08:43] <soneil> I don't see any tracking info in safari ?
[08:44] <natrium42> hmm, any error messages?
[08:44] <soneil> (google earth is zoomed out to max, 'capsule' appears on the left, but not badger & chase)
[08:44] <soneil> TypeError: Null value mootools-1.2-core.js (line 95)
[08:44] <soneil> Null value
[08:44] <soneil> Undefined value tracker (line 265)
[08:45] <jcoxon> tis fine here
[08:45] <jcoxon> zooms in to the badger track
[08:46] <natrium42> soneil, what's your system and safari version?
[08:46] <soneil> ooh good call, forgot about that .. saf is "Version 4 Developer Preview (5526.11.2)"
[08:46] <soneil> I'll be quiet then .. forgot I had that =x
[08:47] <natrium42> oh, ok
[08:48] <natrium42> gotta test opera and IE7 too
[08:48] <soneil> (sys is otherwise leopard to current patches, but safari is likely to be the breaker, sorry)
[08:48] <natrium42> yah, no problem
[08:48] <natrium42> thanks for testing
[08:49] <jcoxon> np
[08:49] Action: natrium42 installs opera
[08:50] <jcoxon> how will you upload the photos in the end?
[08:50] <natrium42> script
[08:51] <natrium42> http uploading, i think
[08:51] <natrium42> can you provide altitude data along with each picture?
[08:51] <natrium42> or any other data, for that matter?
[08:51] <jcoxon> yeah i can give you the standard data string
[08:52] <jcoxon> (in which ever order you require)
[08:52] <natrium42> right, ok
[08:52] <natrium42> it's just good to know at what alt the picture was taken
[08:52] <jcoxon> sure
[08:52] <natrium42> maybe i can also cross link the picture to the google map
[08:53] <natrium42> so that when you click the pic, it shows where it was taken
[08:53] <jcoxon> can i appear in the little bubble when you click on a data point
[08:53] <jcoxon> it*
[08:53] <natrium42> yes
[08:53] <jcoxon> ooo is it possible that when you click on say Badger on the right it moves to that track?
[08:53] <natrium42> sure
[08:54] <jcoxon> just allows multiple things to be followed
[08:54] <natrium42> yah, good idea
[08:54] <natrium42> i also want to make the scroll pane with pictures dragable
[08:54] <natrium42> it's annoying to use the scroll bar all the time
[08:54] <jcoxon> cool
[08:55] <natrium42> opera works too, yay
[08:56] <natrium42> jcoxon, you should test ustream when you have time
[08:56] <jcoxon> i shall indeed
[08:56] <jcoxon> after tues
[08:57] <jcoxon> which reminds me to do some work
[08:57] <jcoxon> i'll shall be back in an hour
[08:57] <natrium42> i am off to bed
[08:57] <natrium42> later
[08:58] <jcoxon> nighr
[08:58] <jcoxon> night
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[10:50] <edmoore_> good morning all
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[12:02] <robert1971> Got the camera working under control of the ATMega32. Going to work on making it intrrupt driven every 3 minutes.
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[12:14] <robert1971> EI5GTB How did the ADC stuff go?
[12:14] <EI5GTB-macbook> i went to bed :P
[12:14] <EI5GTB-macbook> im gonna work on it today
[12:14] <EI5GTB-macbook> the #avr people keep telling me i dont need a book
[12:14] <robert1971> Did you get the quad fixed?
[12:15] <EI5GTB-macbook> nope
[12:15] <EI5GTB-macbook> i procrastinated everything yesterday -/
[12:15] <robert1971> Bad day then :(
[12:16] <EI5GTB-macbook> heh, the annyonying thing is, most of my days are like that =/
[12:18] <robert1971> Got my camera working under the control of the avr
[12:18] <robert1971> Got to get pulse width modulation going next to control the servo
[12:19] <EI5GTB-macbook> cool
[12:20] <SpeedEvil> :)
[12:21] <EI5GTB-macbook> i might get out of beed soon
[12:21] <EI5GTB-macbook> gah, half 12
[12:29] <EI5GTB-macbook> getting up time, byee all
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[12:45] <jcoxon> robert1971, sounds like you are making progress
[13:13] <Ei5GTB_> right, now im in the shack
[13:13] <Ei5GTB_> hai
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[13:31] <jcoxon> hey fergusnoble
[13:31] <jcoxon> got leopard?
[13:32] <fergusnoble> yeah
[13:32] <jcoxon> cool
[13:32] <fergusnoble> :D
[13:33] <fergusnoble> was a slog - was up till 6am
[13:33] <jcoxon> crap
[13:33] <jcoxon> worth it?
[13:33] <fergusnoble> was watching the launch though too
[13:33] <jcoxon> oh right
[13:33] <jcoxon> shame it didn't work
[13:33] <jcoxon> maybe next time :-)
[13:33] <jcoxon> (4th time lucky)
[13:33] <fergusnoble> yeah, i didnt here exactly what the problem was in the end
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[13:42] <jcoxon> hey edmoore
[13:43] <jcoxon> thought this might make you excited:
[13:43] <jcoxon> http://www.natrium42.com/tracker/
[13:44] <edmoore> oh my god james
[13:44] <edmoore> correct
[13:44] <jcoxon> the black box on the left is a webcam stream
[13:44] <jcoxon> right imena
[13:44] <jcoxon> mean
[13:44] <SpeedEvil> jcoxon: it's gotten better since last night
[13:45] <jcoxon> natrium42 is in canada
[13:45] <jcoxon> :-)
[13:48] <edmoore> jcoxon: proper exciting. tess is here atm but will wax lyrical more this eve
[13:48] <jcoxon> no worries
[13:48] <jcoxon> i have to work
[13:48] <jcoxon> it wasn't me, twas natrium
[13:48] <jcoxon> of and i've mentioned sstv so we can talk about it properly
[13:52] <fergusnoble> wow james, nice!
[13:52] <jcoxon> its not me :-p
[13:52] <fergusnoble> edmoore: i have leo finally... yey!
[13:54] <jcoxon> bbiab
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[14:04] <EI5GTB> hai
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[14:08] <fergusnoble> edmoore: did you buy textmate?
[14:10] <edmoore> fergusnoble: check your inbox in about 5 minutes
[14:10] <fergusnoble> :)
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[14:14] <edmoore> fergusnoble: yoo big to send
[14:14] <edmoore> too*
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[14:14] <edmoore> will do over c/quy
[14:15] <fergusnoble> ok yo are a star
[14:15] <EI5GTB> someone give me 3 leds plsktnxbai
[14:15] <fergusnoble> EI5GTB: very kitteh
[14:15] <EI5GTB> orly?
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[14:16] <fergusnoble> i think we scared him off
[14:17] <EI5GTB> XD
[14:17] <EI5GTB> lul
[14:17] Action: EI5GTB snaps out of it
[14:18] Action: EI5GTB shows of is photography: http://paulsnet.org/newb.jpg
[14:19] <fergusnoble> did you print it by hand?
[14:19] <EI5GTB> what you mean?
[14:19] <fergusnoble> in a dark room
[14:19] <EI5GTB> oh, haha, no
[14:20] <EI5GTB> i used photoshop to make it look like film
[14:20] <fergusnoble> it looks very analogue
[14:20] <EI5GTB> i use digital SLRs
[14:20] <fergusnoble> very convincing
[14:23] <EI5GTB> heh, yea
[14:23] <EI5GTB> i was sitting at the desk yesterday, and i put myself to the challenge of gettinfg a good poic
[14:23] <EI5GTB> pic*
[14:23] <EI5GTB> http://paulsnet.org/zomg.jpg
[14:23] <EI5GTB> thats scary!
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[14:54] Action: SpeedEvil files EI5GTB iris-print.
[14:54] <EI5GTB> huh..?
[14:55] <SpeedEvil> The coloured part of the eye can be used for exact biometric identification.
[14:55] <SpeedEvil> It's in many ways better than the fingerprint.
[14:55] <EI5GTB> oic
[14:56] <EI5GTB> but you couldnt take a good reading from tht..
[14:56] <SpeedEvil> Actually that iris picture is quite adequate AIUI.
[14:57] <SpeedEvil> http://paulsnet.org/newb.jpg
[14:57] <SpeedEvil> you just need to rotate it into a sphere, and then do the 'barcode' reading from that
[14:57] <EI5GTB> cool
[14:57] <SpeedEvil> It's essentially treated as a circular barcode.
[14:58] <SpeedEvil> Though it's of course dramatically more complex than that.
[14:58] <EI5GTB> heh, yea
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[16:39] <jcoxon> amazing
[16:39] <jcoxon> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdnWd0hHE-E&feature=user
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[16:47] <EI5GTB> someone had too much time on theirt hands..
[16:48] <jcoxon> its damn good though
[16:49] <edmoore> ?
[16:50] <jcoxon> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdnWd0hHE-E&feature=user
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[16:56] <jnd> I just realized I don't have autojoin here :p
[16:56] <fergusnoble> edmoore: got textmate
[16:56] <fergusnoble> i love it aready
[16:57] <edmoore> it's great isn't it
[16:57] <fergusnoble> yeah
[16:57] <edmoore> there's a bundle for anything and everything
[16:57] <edmoore> like just little thing - yesterday i found a 'todo' bundle which searches your entire project for "TODO:" and generates a page with all your todo's on
[16:58] <edmoore> sort of a doxygen style thing
[16:58] <edmoore> thought that was brill
[16:58] <fergusnoble> thats cool
[16:58] <fergusnoble> i made a point of using TODO: labels in the badger source
[16:58] <fergusnoble> so i could global search them later
[16:58] <edmoore> yeah
[16:58] <fergusnoble> so thats handy
[16:59] <fergusnoble> also seems like a lot of features that used to annoy me are actually nice in textmate
[16:59] <fergusnoble> like inserting preformed blocks of code
[16:59] <edmoore> yeah
[16:59] <edmoore> so next time you're writing soemthing in latex, drag a picture into the editor window
[17:00] <edmoore> it'll insert the figure wrapper with the write path and everything for you
[17:00] <edmoore> right path*
[17:01] <edmoore> like you say, it's nice that we know vi, but I think my workflow now will mainly be textmate based
[17:01] <edmoore> and for forein machines, cynberduck + textmate
[17:01] <edmoore> cyberduck*
[17:02] <fergusnoble> yeah, you might convert me
[17:02] <fergusnoble> although i still really like vim
[17:03] <fergusnoble> just now ive got used to the keyboard shortcuts i can get stuff done quite qickly in vim
[17:03] <fergusnoble> but vim could do with being fused with a good gui for the project management stuff
[17:04] <edmoore> yeah
[17:04] <edmoore> vim with a file/folder tree would be nice
[17:05] <fergusnoble> but it seems like textmate was designed with keyboard use in mind too
[17:06] <fergusnoble> already loving leo too, dont know how i did withot stacks
[17:06] <edmoore> and quickview
[17:06] <fergusnoble> quickview?
[17:07] <edmoore> find a random file
[17:07] <edmoore> click on it
[17:07] <edmoore> say, some c code or a video
[17:07] <edmoore> then press spacebar
[17:07] <edmoore> that and expose are the two things I miss most when I work on windows at work
[17:08] <fergusnoble> wow thats neat
[17:08] <jcoxon> guys, got a question for you, the webcam doesn't like outside - too bright, ideas on how to reduce the brightness
[17:08] <jcoxon> i've already thought of sunglasses
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[17:08] <fergusnoble> is there a software setting for it?
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[17:09] <jcoxon> i'm still looking into that
[17:09] <jcoxon> but its so cheap it probably won't be good enough
[17:09] <fergusnoble> if not something like sunglasses work
[17:09] <edmoore> ?
[17:10] <fergusnoble> or a proper filter
[17:10] <SpeedEvil> Wait for dawn.
[17:10] <edmoore> what did i miss?
[17:11] <fergusnoble> jcoxon: guys, got a question for you, the webcam doesn't like outside - too bright, ideas on how to reduce the brightness
[17:11] <fergusnoble> jcoxon: i've already thought of sunglasses
[17:11] <SpeedEvil> Alternative solution to making webcam see outside.
[17:11] <SpeedEvil> jcoxon: do some googling.
[17:11] <SpeedEvil> jcoxon: some camera sorts have dedicated tools to do the brightness
[17:13] <fergusnoble> but that said if the ccd is saturating then its best to do it on the analog side
[17:14] <edmoore> a neutral density filter from a camera shop
[17:14] <SpeedEvil> Software settings work on exposure.
[17:14] <SpeedEvil> So tehy reduce it before it hits the computer.
[17:14] <SpeedEvil> Linux drivers often don't fully support brightness/exposure
[17:16] <jcoxon> SpeedEvil, yeah thats whats worrying me
[17:16] <jcoxon> i'll have a fiddle with the settings
[17:19] <EI5GTB> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qt2WbfotkU
[17:20] <EI5GTB> amazing song
[17:23] <fergusnoble> EI5GTB: like it
[17:24] <EI5GTB> listen the whole way to the end, it gets even better!
[17:24] <EI5GTB> its 6/4 timing too, which makes it rawk
[17:28] <EI5GTB> oh wait
[17:28] <EI5GTB> its not
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[17:34] <kamaji> hey all
[17:34] <jcoxon> hi kamaji
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[17:38] <edmoore> sorry all, have the world's worse netwrok cable which keeps falling out
[17:39] <EI5GTB> XD
[17:39] <EI5GTB> ill give ya a new one, i have like 500 here somwhere
[17:40] <edmoore> that'd be grand
[17:51] <fergusnoble> edmoore: what is your opinion on using a photo hosting site vs hosting the photos ourselves?
[17:51] <edmoore> i have no issue with flickr
[17:51] <edmoore> it's good
[17:51] <edmoore> and we'll be generating gigs of photos
[17:51] <edmoore> we can embed them on our site too
[17:51] <fergusnoble> i dont really like flickr that much, but there are alternatives maybe
[17:51] <fergusnoble> yeah, ok, lets host offsite
[17:52] <edmoore> well fine, but yes I have no objections
[17:52] <edmoore> vimeo for vids, *somewhere* for photos
[17:52] <edmoore> sounds very sensible to me
[17:52] <kamaji> doesn't flickr charge you for higher-res photos?
[17:53] <fergusnoble> ok, how much space do flickr give you?
[17:54] <edmoore> unlimited - we would need an account
[17:54] <edmoore> but that's unlimited storage, unlimited size photos
[17:54] <edmoore> and embeddeable
[17:54] <kamaji> Doesn't DeviantArt let you do that for free? (yeah I know...)
[17:55] <fergusnoble> ok, will use flickr then
[17:55] <edmoore> it's a pita, and I don't think it's embeddable, but I've not used it for a while
[17:55] <fergusnoble> most other sites have a cap
[17:55] <fergusnoble> ill get us an account
[17:55] <kamaji> pita?
[17:55] <edmoore> well double-scheck...
[17:55] <edmoore> pain in the arse
[17:55] <kamaji> heh
[17:55] <kamaji> tru.dat
[17:55] <edmoore> there's this amazon s3 hosting thingamie aswell
[17:56] <kamaji> wouldn't it be cheaper to just use the ukhas server instead of paying for flickr?
[17:57] <edmoore> well consider we might well be generating gigs of photos per flight
[17:58] <edmoore> fergusnoble: http://www.flickr.com/upgrade/
[17:58] <edmoore> see video uploads
[17:58] <kamaji> ah yeah, that's going to add up pretty quick then
[17:59] <kamaji> I have a feeling flickr are going to be quite surprised at your usage though :D
[17:59] <fergusnoble> free flickr you only get 3 albums
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[18:00] <edmoore> actually their video policy seems a bit lame. but good for photos.
[18:01] <jcoxon> flickr have a habit of disappearing photos
[18:01] <jcoxon> that said you get a lot of coverage
[18:02] <jcoxon> on that note - i passed teh 60,000 views on my flickr photos
[18:02] <kamaji> link plox
[18:02] <kamaji> :3
[18:03] <fergusnoble> how about picasa web albums
[18:03] <fergusnoble> looks clean inteface and nice to me
[18:04] <fergusnoble> also uses storage from a google account so thats plenty of space
[18:04] <edmoore> well we'd get fewer hits
[18:04] <kamaji> could always put a subset of the best ones on flickr and link to picasa
[18:04] <edmoore> pita
[18:05] <fergusnoble> edmoore: meh, most of our hits will come through linking probably
[18:05] <fergusnoble> dont you think?
[18:05] <jcoxon> fergusnoble, depends if you make the intersting page on flickr
[18:06] <jcoxon> then you'll go through the roof
[18:06] <jcoxon> that and Digg
[18:06] <edmoore> every photo would link to our site too
[18:07] <SpeedEvil> I want a service like tha too.
[18:07] <SpeedEvil> I want to generate frame per second views of car journies.
[18:07] <SpeedEvil> And have them shareable.
[18:08] <fergusnoble> going to use the admin list email to sign up
[18:08] <fergusnoble> i like the look of the picasa one better
[18:09] <edmoore> wait
[18:09] <fergusnoble> i think only 3 albums is pretty restrictive, and only 100mb bandwidth
[18:09] <edmoore> why?
[18:09] <edmoore> fergusnoble: that's for the free account
[18:09] <edmoore> neigher of the services are any use to us when free
[18:10] <SpeedEvil> http://www.panoramio.com/
[18:10] <SpeedEvil> what about?
[18:10] <fergusnoble> edmoore: what do you mean?
[18:10] <edmoore> precisely what I say
[18:10] <fergusnoble> picasa is free and good
[18:12] <SpeedEvil> Ah - I see. Panoramio pics are apparantly manually approved, so they take ages before appearing on google earth/google maps
[18:14] <fergusnoble> edmoore: ping
[18:15] <kamaji> has anyone played with this: http://www.rfsolutions.co.uk/acatalog/copy_of_COM_GSM_Modem.html ?
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[18:16] <jcoxon> kamaji, nope, not that model
[18:17] <kamaji> hm, I was thinking of splitting up the GSM modem and the GPS but it doesn't seem that much cheaper
[18:18] <jcoxon> instead use a GM862-GPS?
[18:18] <kamaji> yeah I probably will end up going with that
[18:18] <jcoxon> for balloons?
[18:18] <kamaji> yup
[18:18] <kamaji> well, and generally mucking about
[18:18] <jcoxon> the gm862-gps has a sirf III chipset which gets upset above 24km
[18:19] <jcoxon> so you won't get any data above that
[18:19] <kamaji> as long as I can reset it when it drops below I don't really mind
[18:19] <kamaji> You said you can run python scripts on it?
[18:19] <jcoxon> then no worries
[18:19] <jcoxon> yup
[18:19] <kamaji> brilliant
[18:19] <jcoxon> so you could get it to reset if it doesn't have a lock
[18:19] <jcoxon> and then it'll reset below 24 and all will be good
[18:19] <kamaji> screw 20 quid savings :D
[18:19] <kamaji> I want python
[18:19] <jcoxon> urgh
[18:20] <jcoxon> good luck
[18:20] <kamaji> hm?
[18:20] <jcoxon> oh its not the easist thing to work with
[18:20] <kamaji> oh, heh
[18:20] <jcoxon> lots of blind debugging
[18:20] <kamaji> blind as in you can't print stuff out to see what you've done?
[18:21] <jcoxon> sort of
[18:21] <jcoxon> it compiles your code before executing it
[18:21] <jcoxon> and if it fails to compile then you don't get any feed back about what went wrong
[18:21] <kamaji> oh no 0_0
[18:21] <kamaji> oh well, it's worth a shot :)
[18:21] <jcoxon> so it jsut means you have to work line by line
[18:21] <kamaji> where do you buy yours?
[18:22] <jcoxon> ummmm sequoia, but they aren't great
[18:22] <kamaji> s/do/did
[18:22] <kamaji> oh wow, only 75 pounds
[18:22] <kamaji> I thought it was 100
[18:23] <kamaji> It's got a SIM slot, right?
[18:23] <jcoxon> yup
[18:23] <jcoxon> you push it into the side
[18:24] <kamaji> does it just use a serial ocnnector?
[18:25] <jcoxon> no
[18:25] <jcoxon> it has a very tiny connector on the bottom with lots of pins
[18:25] <jcoxon> you'll need a breakout board
[18:26] <jcoxon> http://robosavvy.com/store/product_info.php/products_id/387?osCsid=6b9768d546416f3795fbe98b0d4cb3e6
[18:26] <kamaji> oh, thanks
[18:26] <jcoxon> or
[18:26] <jcoxon> http://robosavvy.com/store/product_info.php/products_id/386
[18:26] <jcoxon> to make you life more easy
[18:27] <kamaji> eek, that's a li'l pricey
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[18:29] <Hiena> Hey anybody has an idea to spice up some ammonium-nitrate/charcoal mixture? Seems like the charcoal has no enough heat for a fast burning.
[18:34] <EI5GTB> nitro glycerene?
[18:44] <Hiena> No way. I want to use as propellant. And 40 sec/inch burning speed is too slow.
[18:45] <SpeedEvil> Nitroglycerine?
[18:45] <SpeedEvil> Oh
[18:46] <SpeedEvil> I really, really, really wouldn't.
[18:46] <SpeedEvil> 'spicing up' chemicals with the potential to detonate is a bad, bad plan.
[18:46] <SpeedEvil> How large a rocket?
[18:47] <Hiena> 250g
[18:47] <SpeedEvil> Why not go to a core burner?
[18:47] <Hiena> Single stage.
[18:50] <Hiena> Because the modell rocetry is not so legal here.
[18:50] <SpeedEvil> Err - you make the core yourself with a hole in the middle.
[18:50] <SpeedEvil> And you might want to consider hobbies that don't involve illegality.
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[18:59] <akawaka> http://www.spiffie.org/kits/stickduino/start.shtml
[18:59] <akawaka> cute!
[19:09] <EI5GTB> hahahahahahahaha
[19:09] <EI5GTB> someone just called through the repeater saying QC QC QC this is bla bla bla
[19:11] <kamaji> (is this amateur radio?)
[19:19] <SpeedEvil> Legal amateur radio.
[19:19] <kamaji> I wanted to do that, but then I found out the price of transceivers
[19:26] <gordonjcp> kamaji: they're remarkably cheap these days
[19:29] <kamaji> gordonjcp: really? I thought they were all in the 1000-2000 pound range
[19:29] <gordonjcp> depends what kind of thing you want
[19:30] <gordonjcp> I can't imagine why you'd pay anything near that amount unless you had more money than sense
[19:30] <akawaka> nah, you could buy a 2meter rig for a 100 second hand
[19:30] <akawaka> even the HF reg I bought was only $500 dollars
[19:30] <kamaji> 2 meter being the wavelength?
[19:31] <akawaka> yeah
[19:31] <akawaka> 144Mhz
[19:31] <akawaka> or there abouts
[19:32] <kamaji> Did you take that exam?
[19:32] <akawaka> yeah, the american one
[19:33] <kamaji> oh right, heh
[19:33] <kamaji> Perhaps I will email the people at C&DARC then
[19:33] <kamaji> I will need a fairly good 433Mhz receiver anyway
[19:37] <gordonjcp> kamaji: you'd be as well to pick up a wee 70cm handie, and just not transmit until you've got a licence
[19:37] <gordonjcp> you get cheap crappy chinese ones off eBay for less than 30 quid brand new
[19:37] <gordonjcp> and they're not, tbh, all that crappy
[19:39] <kamaji> Hang on, isn't 433mhz license exempt anyway?
[19:41] <akawaka> i think so
[19:42] <gordonjcp> nope
[19:42] <gordonjcp> it isn't
[19:42] <kamaji> I thought that was what walkie-talkies use
[19:43] <gordonjcp> that's 466
[19:43] <kamaji> oh, right
[19:44] <kamaji> akawaka: you said you bought a HF rig, what sort of frequencies does that cover?
[19:48] <akawaka> all the hf bands
[19:48] <akawaka> from 1.8mhz to 54Mhz
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[20:04] <fergusnoble> started uploading our vids to vimeo
[20:04] <fergusnoble> http://www.vimeo.com/1459533
[20:08] <kamaji> ooh, shiny
[20:09] <natrium42> cool
[20:11] <akawaka> cool
[20:11] <akawaka> fergusnoble: what kind of camera did you use?
[20:11] <SpeedEvil> -20C
[20:13] <SpeedEvil> fergusnoble: shows the problems of a stabliser.
[20:14] <SpeedEvil> looks like 60 degrees/second pan, 90 degrees/second tilt, 60 degrees/sec yaw would keep it pointed most of the time
[20:18] <fergusnoble> yeah this payload got a real buffeting
[20:18] <fergusnoble> it got a lot worse as it got higher
[20:18] <fergusnoble> ill carry on uploading the other vids
[20:20] <kamaji> Did you transmit this video or just store it?
[20:21] <kamaji> also: why is vimeo better than youtube? does it not destroy your videos when you upload them?
[20:38] <fergusnoble> the videos were stored on the camera, which was a really cheap one
[20:38] <fergusnoble> the camera was branded premier
[20:38] <fergusnoble> and vimeo keeps your video a lot better quality and allows bigger file sizes
[20:47] <akawaka> fergusnoble: did it record video for the whole flight?
[20:48] <fergusnoble> no, it was set to record clips at varying intervals
[20:48] <fergusnoble> im not sure exactly how often or how long they were supposed to be
[20:49] <natrium42> jcoxon, should i use perl for the uploader tool?
[20:49] <jcoxon> hey natrium42
[20:49] <natrium42> yo
[20:49] <jcoxon> what are the options? how does it work?
[20:49] <natrium42> http://natrium42.com/tracker/manual-upload.php
[20:49] <natrium42> all the script has to do is do what this form does
[20:49] <jcoxon> yup thats cool
[20:49] <fergusnoble> ok there is another video only a bight higher now - in the jet stream proper and getting ragged around
[20:49] <natrium42> i.e. use HTTP POST to send picture and password
[20:49] <jcoxon> i can automate that then
[20:49] <fergusnoble> http://www.vimeo.com/1459769
[20:50] <natrium42> i found some perl script to do it, so i will test that
[20:50] <natrium42> it can be any language, really
[20:51] <jcoxon> okay, i can add it to my ruby software
[20:51] <jcoxon> is it possible to add data about hte pic?
[20:51] <natrium42> yes, the way i am thinking of doing it is
[20:52] <natrium42> 1. upload the picture
[20:52] <natrium42> 2. send position string as before with file name
[20:52] <jcoxon> cool
[20:52] <natrium42> should be easy
[20:52] <SpeedEvil> EXIF
[20:52] <natrium42> or EXIF :P
[20:52] <natrium42> if you can tag pictures with GPS coords, etc
[20:53] <natrium42> :)
[20:53] <SpeedEvil> You can
[20:53] <natrium42> i know
[20:53] <natrium42> if jcoxon can do it until launch
[20:53] <natrium42> with the time that he has
[20:53] Action: SpeedEvil ponders.
[20:53] Action: jcoxon ponders
[20:53] <SpeedEvil> I'm sure I've seen some applicable software.
[20:53] <natrium42> yeah
[20:54] <natrium42> speaking of that, can you add tags for sensor readings, for example?
[20:54] <kamaji> is that a CCD taking those vimeo videos?
[20:54] <fergusnoble> i think it might be cmos, it was a really cheap camera
[20:54] <SpeedEvil> CMOS imagers today are just fine for video rate stuff.
[20:55] <SpeedEvil> Essentially no low-end cameras are CCD.
[20:55] <SpeedEvil> Even moderately high-end cams, which can take 60s exposures - are CMOS these days.
[20:56] <natrium42> SpeedEvil, many high-def camcorders are now CMOS
[20:56] <SpeedEvil> natrium42: indeed.
[20:56] <natrium42> it looks like they improved the tech
[20:56] <fergusnoble> http://www.vimeo.com/1459797 - and another one above the jetstream
[20:56] <SpeedEvil> natrium42: dramatically
[20:56] <SpeedEvil> CCD still wins on photon noise, but that's only applicable really at slow readout rates and long exposures.
[20:57] <SpeedEvil> http://www.sno.phy.queensu.ca/~phil/exiftool/TagNames/GPS.html
[20:58] <akawaka> i wonder can i switch this sd450 between taking pictures and videos with the custom firmware
[20:58] <natrium42> yah, that's the tool i used to tag my pictures
[20:58] <natrium42> flickr can use those tags to show map where pic was taken
[20:58] <jcoxon> natrium42, it might be quicker if i just stick in the gps coords before upload
[20:58] <natrium42> into the exif?
[20:58] <jcoxon> as i've got them as variables in the code already, just a matter of constructing a string
[20:58] <jcoxon> no in the http post bt
[20:58] <natrium42> oh, ok
[20:59] <natrium42> yeah, i can do it
[20:59] <jcoxon> :-)
[20:59] <SpeedEvil> Or just add it as a comment
[20:59] <SpeedEvil> rdjpegcom or something
[20:59] <natrium42> if it's easier for you rather than sending another GET to the track.php
[20:59] <SpeedEvil> wrjpegcom
[20:59] <natrium42> SpeedEvil, i don't see a big problem with submitting meta data separately
[20:59] <jcoxon> due to the delay in generating the sstv audio the picture is taken 7 minutes before
[21:00] <SpeedEvil> natrium42: jsut thoughts.
[21:00] <SpeedEvil> Please feel free to ignore me at any time.
[21:00] <natrium42> no, it's fine
[21:00] <natrium42> i have thought about it... maybe for next version :)
[21:00] <natrium42> not quite sure how to parse exif data, but it shouldn't be too hard
[21:00] <SpeedEvil> I need to get my damn board finished.
[21:00] <SpeedEvil> There are nice and easy libs
[21:01] <kamaji> board?
[21:01] <SpeedEvil> Though the rdjpgcom hack works too
[21:01] <SpeedEvil> My CPU board of many colours.
[21:01] <natrium42> jcoxon, ok, so will it be the same set of variables?
[21:01] <SpeedEvil> kamaji: It slices, dices, and ...
[21:01] <jcoxon> yup
[21:01] <natrium42> k, cool
[21:01] <kamaji> um... what?
[21:01] <kamaji> compression?
[21:01] <SpeedEvil> kamaji: in this context, it takes pictures and automatically GPS tags them with magnetic field direction
[21:01] <natrium42> jcoxon, they will be POST though, right?
[21:01] <natrium42> not GET as before
[21:02] <kamaji> oh ok, that's pretty funky
[21:02] <SpeedEvil> kamaji: as well as assorted other tasks
[21:02] <jcoxon> how does that affect what i do?
[21:02] <natrium42> i don't know ruby :P
[21:02] <jcoxon> basically i was filling in the variables into a string
[21:02] <jcoxon> then running it in a mini webkit based browser
[21:02] <natrium42> ok, well, they can be GET, actually
[21:02] <jcoxon> i know its a hack but i didn't have too much time
[21:02] <natrium42> but the picture is POST
[21:03] <natrium42> maybe it's faster at this point that you call my external perl script
[21:03] <natrium42> ?
[21:03] <natrium42> to upload the image
[21:03] <akawaka> sounds like curl could do all this work for you
[21:03] <jcoxon> yup i can do that as well
[21:04] <natrium42> akawaka, oh right
[21:04] <natrium42> :D
[21:04] <natrium42> is there anything curl can't do? :)
[21:05] <akawaka> Love
[21:05] <natrium42> haha
[21:05] <kamaji> I think someone submitted a patch
[21:06] <natrium42> jcoxon, so yeah, all you need is to call curl then
[21:06] <natrium42> and then send the coordinates to data.php with filename
[21:06] <natrium42> i mean, track.php
[21:06] <fergusnoble> jcoxon, do you have a gps for tracking the car?
[21:07] <jcoxon> natrium42, that should be fine
[21:07] <jcoxon> fergusnoble, not yet
[21:07] <jcoxon> could you sort it?
[21:07] <fergusnoble> because i could prolly russle up an iphone app to submit its gps coords to the tracker
[21:07] <jcoxon> i have gps on my phone
[21:07] <jcoxon> that would be great
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[21:07] <natrium42> ooh, fergusnoble that would be awesome
[21:08] <fergusnoble> good excuse to learn objectivec, cocoa and iphone programming all in one :)
[21:09] <fergusnoble> jcoxon: can your phone's gps be accessed by an external device through bluetooth?
[21:11] <jcoxon> not sure
[21:14] <SpeedEvil> There were those websites that let you track a phone if you agreed via SMS on the phone.
[21:14] <SpeedEvil> Ok, it's not GPS...
[21:14] <fergusnoble> brb
[21:15] <SpeedEvil> http://www.mobilelocate.co.uk/?gclid=CNuioI2-8pQCFRSA1QodrSNUqg
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[21:16] <fergusnoble> yeah we have that service for a sim card of ours
[21:16] <fergusnoble> that we got to fly in payloads, so if the gps dies we can still roughtly work out where it is
[21:17] <SpeedEvil> 'Your task, should you choose to accept it, is to search this 900m circle for a small object' :)
[21:17] <SpeedEvil> (but heaps better than nothing)
[21:18] <fergusnoble> hopefully we never have to use it
[21:18] <fergusnoble> if you get within 900m you might pick up the radio though
[21:18] <fergusnoble> then can find it with a directional antenna
[21:19] <SpeedEvil> True.
[21:27] <fergusnoble> hmmm... now i wonder if it could decode rtty :)
[21:28] <fergusnoble> i bet its powerful enough
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[21:32] <natrium42> jcoxon, i added instructions at the bottom --> http://natrium42.com/tracker/
[21:34] <fergusnoble> natrium42: this is awesome
[21:34] <natrium42> thx
[21:35] <natrium42> going to finish pictures part now
[21:35] <natrium42> (some ajax and database work, also picture scaling)
[21:36] <natrium42> fergusnoble, you can try clicking "Add Picture Test"
[21:37] <natrium42> it will add pictures to the scroll thingy
[21:37] <natrium42> and scroll to the right if it's overflowing
[21:37] <kamaji> heh, wow, that really is extremely cool
[21:37] <natrium42> mootools ftw :)
[21:37] <natrium42> clicking a picture will open a popup with full-res
[21:37] <kamaji> I like the way the name tells you exactly what it is >_>
[21:38] <kamaji> (mootols)
[21:38] <kamaji> +o
[21:38] <fergusnoble> natrium42: works for me
[21:38] <natrium42> k, good
[21:38] <natrium42> i am not sure whether i will have time to add bubbles with pictures to the gmap
[21:38] <natrium42> but that can be added later
[21:40] <fergusnoble> yeah, the filmroll along the top is nice, doesnt need bubbles
[21:41] <fergusnoble> think you could put in a twitter pane like the spacex page had? then could send small text updates with news
[21:42] <natrium42> sure, that's easy
[21:42] <natrium42> although we were talking about adding IRC at the bottom
[21:42] <fergusnoble> oh that would also be cool
[21:43] <natrium42> https://www.mibbit.com/
[21:43] <fergusnoble> can you embed mibbit?
[21:43] <natrium42> ^ that ajax one seems to work quite well, but it's a bit ugly
[21:43] <natrium42> yeah
[21:43] <fergusnoble> if not there are some java applet ones
[21:43] <fergusnoble> ok
[21:44] <natrium42> it's also possible to use a custom one in the future
[21:44] <natrium42> just not enough time to do it for this launch
[21:44] <fergusnoble> but maybe a small area for status updates would be good
[21:45] <natrium42> in addition to mibbit?
[21:45] <fergusnoble> just one line messages of only the essential info
[21:45] <fergusnoble> maybe, its your project i was just thinking out loud
[21:45] <fergusnoble> but sometimes its easy for the essential info to get lost in an irc channel
[21:46] <natrium42> true
[21:46] <natrium42> news ticker is a good idea
[21:46] <natrium42> it could be updated via sms, for example
[21:46] <natrium42> which is easy enough for the launch team
[21:47] <fergusnoble> well we have mobile broadband
[21:47] <natrium42> yah, that's even easier
[21:47] <fergusnoble> and if there is a simple html form i can get it from my phone too
[21:48] <natrium42> ok, i just want it to be as simple as possible
[21:48] <natrium42> for you
[21:49] <fergusnoble> a html form would be fine im sure, setting up an sms gateway is a faff
[21:49] <fergusnoble> i think you usualy have to pay
[21:50] <fergusnoble> brb
[21:52] <phatmonkey> hey guys
[21:53] <phatmonkey> what's the latest with the tracker?
[21:53] <phatmonkey> anythign i need to worry about?
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[22:04] <fergusnoble> brb
[22:04] <fergusnoble> i mean back
[22:06] <natrium42> wb
[22:20] <jcoxon> back
[22:20] <jcoxon> sorry was on skype with doug
[22:22] <fergusnoble> brb reboot
[22:23] <fergusnoble> actually i dont need to soz
[22:23] <jcoxon> hehe
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[22:23] <fergusnoble> hi edmoore
[22:24] <edmoore> hi. but about to crash for work tomorrow
[22:25] <jcoxon> hey edmoore
[22:37] <natrium42> jcoxon, tracker is finished
[22:37] <jcoxon> wow
[22:37] <natrium42> only thing left is chatbox
[22:38] <natrium42> and the additional functionality like picture bubbles on gmap if i have time
[22:38] <jcoxon> amazing
[22:38] <natrium42> looking forward to launch :D
[22:38] <jcoxon> so am i
[22:39] <jcoxon> i'll sort my code on weds (after my exams)
[22:39] <natrium42> k
[22:39] <jcoxon> sorted out the ustream link
[22:39] <natrium42> what do you think about them?
[22:39] <jcoxon> going to use another macbook to do it all
[22:39] <jcoxon> yeah it was easy to set them up
[22:39] <natrium42> good
[22:40] <jcoxon> flash is scary though
[22:40] <jcoxon> how much it can do
[22:40] <natrium42> haha
[22:40] <natrium42> yes
[22:41] <natrium42> oh, another thing missing is adding picture to google earth kml
[22:42] <jcoxon> no worries!
[22:43] <natrium42> it's very barebones right now :P
[22:43] <jcoxon> how do you dirverth the ustream to the tracker site?
[22:44] <natrium42> i will just embed their thingy
[22:44] <jcoxon> divert*
[22:45] <natrium42> if you click on MENU button under the video
[22:45] <natrium42> there will be "Copy embed code"
[22:45] <natrium42> all it takes is putting that code where the black box currently is in the tracker
[22:46] <jcoxon> oh right
[22:46] <jcoxon> when are your exams?
[22:46] <natrium42> wednesday and friday
[22:46] <jcoxon> okay
[22:46] <natrium42> they are not too bad, though
[22:46] <natrium42> and one on Monday
[22:46] <jcoxon> so i now i need to sort out a server to host this
[22:46] <natrium42> week after
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[22:47] <natrium42> you can use mine
[22:47] <jcoxon> okay cool
[22:47] <natrium42> maybe it's better if there are problems
[22:47] <natrium42> i can go in
[22:47] <natrium42> and fix them
[22:47] <jcoxon> :-)
[22:47] <jcoxon> you planning to be around for it
[22:47] <natrium42> yeah, what time are you planning to launch?
[22:47] <natrium42> saturday or sunday?
[22:47] <jcoxon> ummm its weather depending right now
[22:48] <jcoxon> need to get a little bit closer so that the models improve
[22:48] <natrium42> ok, i should be around until the 11th
[22:48] <jcoxon> cool cool
[22:48] <jcoxon> it'll be sat or sun
[22:49] <natrium42> great, can't wait :)
[22:49] <natrium42> bbl
[22:49] <jcoxon> cya,
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[22:50] <jcoxon> hmmm at present the models say sunday
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[22:58] <jcoxon> night all
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[23:39] <natrium42> hey Laurenceb
[23:56] <Laurenceb> hello
[23:57] <Laurenceb> shame about falcon :-(
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