highaltitude.log.20080801

[00:00] <wickerwaka> sounds like a complex kitchen
[00:00] <wickerwaka> will i be able to remote in and make toast?
[00:00] <Laurenceb> lol
[00:00] <Laurenceb> it just gets very tricky when your modifying individual units
[00:01] Action: SpeedEvil is rearranging his workroom :)
[00:01] <edmoore> it would be awesome to be able to ssh into your kitchen
[00:01] <SpeedEvil> getting my soldering station actually bolted to a shelf.
[00:01] Action: SpeedEvil can.
[00:01] <edmoore> laurence@kitchen.house.com
[00:01] <SpeedEvil> i've got a box in there.
[00:01] <edmoore> laurence@loo.house.com
[00:01] <SpeedEvil> Not in there.
[00:01] <wickerwaka> rm -rf /dev/dishes
[00:02] <edmoore> s/magnolia/sunrise_yellow
[00:02] <wickerwaka> mount /mnt/cabinets
[00:02] <edmoore> ok I've crossed my geek line and the conversation must now change
[00:02] <wickerwaka> how about that local sports team?
[00:06] <edmoore> I'm not living at home so I'm a bit vague on those details
[00:06] <edmoore> oxford united maybe
[00:06] <wickerwaka> i'm sorry
[00:06] <wickerwaka> this conversation is not working for me either
[00:06] <edmoore> balloons
[00:06] <Laurenceb> :P
[00:06] <Laurenceb> oh well worktops to fit tomorrow, had better get to bed
[00:06] <Laurenceb> cya all
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[00:20] <EI5GTB-macbook> HAI
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[00:30] <EI5GTB-macbook> was it somthing i said?
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[00:55] <EI5GTB> hi me
[00:55] <EI5GTB> not talking?
[00:55] <EI5GTB> ok, thats grand
[00:57] <SpeedEvil> Quiet right now.
[00:57] <EI5GTB> ...
[00:57] <EI5GTB> im sorry
[00:58] Action: EI5GTB puts on D hat
[00:58] <SpeedEvil> ^It's
[00:58] <EI5GTB> ..?
[00:58] <SpeedEvil> Just that many channel members seem to go to bed before midnight
[00:59] <EI5GTB> oh, to the 'was it somthing i said' i see
[00:59] <EI5GTB> people go to bed?
[00:59] <EI5GTB> is there no true geeks in here?
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[01:40] <SpeedEvil> Hmm. I think I see how to make a really quite cheap 433MHz GPS disciplined transmitter.
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[01:49] <EI5GTB> hmm
[01:49] <EI5GTB> you can generally buy extremly small txers for....30 euro?
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[01:51] <SpeedEvil> yeah.
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[02:09] <natrium42> hai2u2
[02:09] <EI5GTB> zomg, hai
[02:10] <natrium42> lul
[02:10] <EI5GTB> XD indeed
[02:10] <EI5GTB> ffs....2 am
[02:10] <EI5GTB> right, bed
[02:10] <EI5GTB> night
[02:10] <natrium42> so early?
[02:10] <EI5GTB> ktnxbai
[02:10] <EI5GTB> haah
[02:10] <natrium42> ok, go, if you must :P
[02:11] <EI5GTB> iv to play a gig tommorrow night
[02:11] <akawaka> yeah?
[02:11] <natrium42> excuses
[02:11] <EI5GTB> and i laughed at irc jokes a while ago, and due to being a week post op i can hardly walk form laughing
[02:11] <EI5GTB> so....
[02:12] <natrium42> nite EI5GTB
[02:12] <EI5GTB> heh
[02:12] <EI5GTB> eeh, its to much work to close the lid of my leptop and roll over =/
[02:13] <natrium42> /kick EI5GTB
[02:13] <natrium42> :D
[02:13] <EI5GTB> haha
[02:14] <EI5GTB> i might design a self driving glider tommorrow...
[02:14] <EI5GTB> an uav type thing
[02:15] <EI5GTB> cos now that i can make my avr chip flash shit on and off i can do anything
[02:16] <SpeedEvil> Make it dynamically unstable, and stick a jet on it.
[02:16] <EI5GTB> ooh
[02:16] <EI5GTB> and call it an airbus?
[02:17] <SpeedEvil> Call it a space cowboy.
[02:18] <EI5GTB> gah, i have a terrible habbit of wanting to do everything
[02:18] <EI5GTB> it gets annoying, cos i never follow anything through
[02:22] <EI5GTB> well, this is my going to bed amsg, night all
[02:22] <SpeedEvil> Night.
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[08:01] <jcoxon> morning ping natrium42
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[08:44] <jcoxon> morning edmoore
[08:44] <edmoore> g'mornin
[08:44] <jcoxon> tried boosting the power
[08:44] <edmoore> uhuh?
[08:44] <jcoxon> didn't make a difference
[08:44] <edmoore> hrm..
[08:44] <edmoore> and what is its complaint again?
[08:45] <jcoxon> the driver won't load at all
[08:45] <jcoxon> basically i've got 2 setups= goliath and gpsstix
[08:45] <jcoxon> gpsstix just has one host usb port and works fine
[08:45] <jcoxon> goliath has a usb hub so that there are more usb ports and doesn't work
[08:48] <edmoore> hmfff. ok will have a think on the way to work. will re-appear online at work (in about 4 minutes)
[08:48] <jcoxon> i've got to start working an 9
[08:48] <jcoxon> but yeah have a think
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[09:04] <jcoxon> hey edmoore, still here :-p
[09:07] <edmoore> I'm screwing a server back together
[09:07] <edmoore> sozzle
[09:08] <jcoxon> no worries
[09:08] <jcoxon> i'll bbl
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[10:18] <robert1971> Just ordered two different avr programmers. Hopefully one of them will work with avrdude!!!
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[10:46] <edmoore> robert1971: good luck! It will just make the blinking led all the more sweet
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[11:00] <robert1971> No shit. I'm going to be doing the konga for a week when it blinks. The wife will never understand. I thought it was going to be a walk in the park last night. Code compiled like a dream. (only 4 lines) set the cpu and the clock frequency and BANG!!! Impossible to send the hex to the chip... Not via winavr, AVR studio, Linux avrdude... The frustration is almost palpable
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[11:19] <jcoxon> hey edmoore
[11:20] <edmoore> hi
[11:20] <edmoore> agree with doug
[11:22] <jcoxon> hmmm, yeah
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[11:49] <EI5GTB> hai
[11:52] <jcoxon> edmoore, he shoots he scores
[11:55] <edmoore> hold horses doing a mass audit
[11:55] <edmoore> read email
[11:55] <edmoore> awesome
[11:56] <edmoore> still doing mass audit
[11:56] <edmoore> may be some time
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[12:05] <edmoore> jcoxon: all my masses are audited
[12:06] <edmoore> so, good news
[12:06] <jcoxon> good work
[12:06] <jcoxon> yeah
[12:06] <edmoore> so that's very exciting
[12:06] <jcoxon> indeedy
[12:07] <jcoxon> right i'll bbiab, a tiny bit more revision before some lunch!
[12:08] <edmoore> it's lunch time now!§
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[12:30] <EI5GTB> http://robert.accettura.com/gallery/v/museumofstupidity/collected_pictures/8eqy2p3.jpg.html
[12:30] <EI5GTB> haha
[12:37] <gordonjcp> at least it's not ie
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[12:43] <jcoxon> back
[12:44] <phatmonkey> hey
[12:45] <edmoore> hi jcoxon
[12:45] Action: jcoxon likes the way that all usb cables have the same coloured wires
[12:46] <edmoore> they'd be ideal for bomb makers then
[12:46] <jcoxon> oh
[12:46] <jcoxon> i mean that vcc is red, gnd, black and data green and white
[12:46] <edmoore> yes
[12:47] <edmoore> exactly
[12:47] <jcoxon> why bomb makers then?
[12:47] <edmoore> so all the manuals that they get out at hq whilst the agent has 4 seconds left, will be correct
[12:47] <jcoxon> so bomb disposal rather then makers
[12:47] <edmoore> because bomb makers have to subscribe to cable colour standards so that the hero knws which colour cable to cut with 1 second to go
[12:47] <jcoxon> right
[12:47] <jcoxon> okay
[12:47] <jcoxon> i'm with you now
[12:48] <EI5GTB> the power to the timer always has to be red
[12:48] <jcoxon> but there is always a secondary system
[12:48] <EI5GTB> whereas, if you want to keep the timer running, but disconnect the detonator, it has to be green
[12:50] <EI5GTB> http://www.you.uz/2008/07/10-worst-album-covers-of-all-times.html
[12:50] <EI5GTB> oops
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[13:13] <edmoore> I have a new quad core at work and good god does it speed things up
[13:14] <edmoore> each 3 minute sim takes about 40 secs now
[13:14] <edmoore> I want a new computer
[13:20] <jcoxon> hehe
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[13:25] <EI5GTB> robert1971, know of any good n00b tutorials for the avr chips?
[13:26] <jcoxon> edmoore, hmmmm still gonna need to provide an external power source
[13:27] <edmoore> EI5GTB: avrfreaks.net
[13:27] <edmoore> no one need go anywhere other than there for all things avr
[13:27] <edmoore> go to the beginners section of the forum
[13:28] <EI5GTB> hmm
[13:28] <EI5GTB> ill cherck there
[13:28] <EI5GTB> so far i havnt been able to find anthing
[13:28] <edmoore> it's not hyperbole to say that 95% of all avr-related content on the entire internet centres around there
[13:28] <EI5GTB> wheres the beginner section?
[13:28] <edmoore> in the beginners section, a user called something like abcmini user has posted fantastic tutorials
[13:29] <edmoore> in the forum
[13:29] <EI5GTB> no such section../
[13:29] <edmoore> he goes from blinking an LED to interupt driven uart buffers
[13:29] <edmoore> that's not verbatim
[13:29] <edmoore> it's just something like beginners
[13:30] <EI5GTB> avr tutorials?
[13:30] <edmoore> yes
[13:30] <edmoore> that sounds like the obvious one to go for
[13:31] <edmoore> bit manipulation aka programming 101 is a ood place to start
[13:31] <EI5GTB> theres no reasll...beginner ones..
[13:31] <EI5GTB> i just want somthing to give me a gneral overview, even just list the functions or commands, so i can start playing and breaking
[13:33] <EI5GTB> abcminiuser
[13:33] <EI5GTB> isthat the guy your on about?
[13:33] <edmoore> functions and commands - those a C questions rather than avr questions
[13:33] <edmoore> yeah
[13:33] <edmoore> if you want to blink an LED, try his timer tutorial
[13:33] <edmoore> follow it all the way through and you will get your head around an avr very quickly
[13:34] <EI5GTB> well, i know how to link an led now
[13:34] <EI5GTB> but its not norm,al c: DDRC=0xFF;
[13:35] <EI5GTB> brb, gotta go get driving licence
[13:36] <edmoore> good luck!
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[13:37] <jcoxon> edmoore, got a question
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[13:38] <edmoore> yo
[13:38] <jcoxon> so i need to provide a stable 5v supply
[13:39] <jcoxon> and i want to take this off my battery pack
[13:39] <jcoxon> (probably 3 x AA lithiums)
[13:39] <edmoore> yup
[13:39] <jcoxon> or may be 4x
[13:39] <jcoxon> hmmmm
[13:39] <edmoore> yup yup
[13:39] <edmoore> what's the question?
[13:39] <jcoxon> what reg do i put inbetween?
[13:40] <jcoxon> don't most regs have a drop between input and output?
[13:46] <edmoore> sorry had to take a call
[13:46] <jcoxon> np
[13:46] <edmoore> ok
[13:46] <edmoore> your liths are 3V aren't they?
[13:46] <jcoxon> nah
[13:47] <jcoxon> i'm using AA energizers
[13:47] <jcoxon> so about 1.8v each
[13:47] <edmoore> what voltage are tey?
[13:47] <jcoxon> they are meant to be 1.5 but put out 1.8v
[13:47] <edmoore> ok
[13:47] <edmoore> so you'd be ok with 4
[13:47] <jcoxon> and the gumstix wants 4.5v
[13:47] <edmoore> but if you want to use 3 then it gets more complicated
[13:48] <jcoxon> oh right okay
[13:48] <edmoore> 3 means a complicated buck/boost system
[13:48] <jcoxon> so 4xAA = 7.2 -> reg down to 5v
[13:48] <edmoore> 4 means a 0.5p 7805
[13:48] <jcoxon> feed both gumstix and peripheral with the 5v
[13:49] <edmoore> yep, sounds good
[13:49] <edmoore> gumstix draws a lot though so you'll want seperate regs for each
[13:49] <jcoxon> but hte gumstix has its own reg?
[13:50] <jcoxon> okay so just need to regs
[13:50] <jcoxon> to -> two
[13:55] <jcoxon> bbl
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[14:11] <EI5GTB> right, im back
[14:26] <jnd> high
[14:31] <EI5GTB> back to my epic search for a good avr tutorial
[14:32] <edmoore> EI5GTB: just 'do'
[14:33] <edmoore> make a balloon flight computer, solve issues as you come across them
[14:33] <EI5GTB> but i want to know tha baisics, or even get some good code to decompile
[14:33] <edmoore> or, as I mentioned, do the LED flashing things but with abcminiuser's tutorial - so you've got basic blinking, it will taje you through to interrupt blinking from timers and so on
[14:34] <EI5GTB> at the minute, i dont know how to make a pin an input
[14:34] <EI5GTB> detect it and turn on a light..
[14:34] <edmoore> have you the programming 101 thing?
[14:35] <jnd> detect what?
[14:35] <EI5GTB> emm, nope
[14:35] <EI5GTB> im just taking it as an example, but to detect a pin going high
[14:36] <jnd> learn interrupts
[14:36] <edmoore> this might be a start http://imakeprojects.com/Projects/avr-tutorial/
[14:36] <EI5GTB> quicjk start sounds good
[14:36] <edmoore> but i do think that doing that interrupt thing will help a lot - as much as anything you'll learn your way around the datasheet and registers
[14:37] <EI5GTB> hmm
[14:37] <edmoore> I'm just telling you what worked for me
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[14:37] <edmoore> I spent ages looking for some complete spoon fed 'micros and c from scratch' thing and it doesn't really exist
[14:37] <edmoore> just have a hack at doing it and it'll come much faster
[14:38] <EI5GTB> hmm, yea
[14:38] <EI5GTB> its just the first littled bit is a very steep learning curve, i guesse im looking for some sort of a cheat sheet
[14:39] <EI5GTB> actually, that url above seems to do just what im looking for
[14:39] <edmoore> I never found it :P
[14:39] <edmoore> hang you on, will have a look
[14:39] <EI5GTB> huh?
[14:40] <edmoore> ok
[14:40] <edmoore> do this one : http://imakeprojects.com/Projects/avr-tutorial/
[14:40] <jnd> you should start with reading datasheet and trying asm, that way you will know how things actually work
[14:40] <edmoore> but have the datasheet of your chip next to you too
[14:41] <edmoore> when it says 'DDRB' in some sourcecode, for example, find DDRB in the datasheet and *understand* what's going on
[14:41] <jnd> many C programmers have problems because that have little knowledge about the hardware
[14:41] <edmoore> then, do that timer tutorial - it will teach you a whole load of avr stuff, and the C itself is not too bad
[14:41] <EI5GTB> the c i can grasp
[14:41] <edmoore> I wouldn't try asm just yet
[14:41] <EI5GTB> its just knoing the hardware spesific things
[14:42] <EI5GTB> like _delay_(500); i never saw that in my C career
[14:42] <jnd> its the preferable way
[14:42] <edmoore> yeah, well the link then the timer tutorial are, i reckon, the way to go
[14:42] <jnd> and then they come to #avr or avrfreaks and ask silly questions :p
[14:42] <EI5GTB> im gonna go to lucnh, then get nmesing
[14:42] <edmoore> and once you do that you will want to do the uart communications tutorial by the same guy
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[14:43] <edmoore> and once you've done that you will be able to do interrupt driven comms with the gps
[14:43] <edmoore> and then you are 90% of the way to a balloon
[14:43] <edmoore> and you can be there by this time tomorrow
[14:43] <edmoore> and you will probably know enough to know how to solve any problems you have, if you don't actually immediately know the solution
[14:44] <edmoore> and that's the most important bit
[14:44] <edmoore> at the moment you hve this back black building called 'AVR' and you can't find a door to get in
[14:44] <edmoore> the above tutorial and the timer one should teach you how to read the map (the datasheet) and you'll be away
[14:51] <jnd> hell no, he is using the leds without resistors
[14:56] <robert1971> EI5GTB: Not found any good tutorials yet. Still in the teething stages...
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[15:00] <EI5GTB> jnd, me?
[15:01] <EI5GTB> oh
[15:01] <EI5GTB> him
[15:01] <EI5GTB> right, time to eat sweets and prgram
[15:01] <robert1971> Come on day... Get to 5:30 and I can go to Farnell to get some toys
[15:04] <EI5GTB> heh
[15:04] <EI5GTB> you want the day to speed up, i want it to slow down
[15:04] <EI5GTB> this is never gonna work
[15:05] <edmoore> robert1971: is farnell local to you?
[15:11] <EI5GTB> ffs, the datasheet is liek 300 pages..
[15:13] <jnd> graphs take a lot of pages :p
[15:14] <EI5GTB> gah, ill just go ahead and print the whole thing..
[15:14] <jnd> thats good
[15:14] <jnd> but stop at the instruction/register summary
[15:16] <EI5GTB> yea
[15:16] <EI5GTB> i just looked at all the graphs i stopped ja bit before em
[15:16] <edmoore> EI5GTB: printing is a waste
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[15:16] <EI5GTB> i need to see thing, rather than look at on a computer
[15:16] <edmoore> the thing to do is use it for a tutorial, then read through the whole thing at very high, skimming speed
[15:17] <jnd> graphs? yes but the text not :)
[15:17] <edmoore> just enouhg that the next time you find yourself in a conundrum (it'll happena lot) you'll remember vaguely where something relevent is in the book
[15:18] <jnd> read it all (the things you will need first) in your free time
[15:18] <jnd> then you will know where to look next time and hopefully remember something :)
[15:19] <jnd> I have printed sheets for two avrs
[15:19] <jnd> it helped me a lot
[15:19] <EI5GTB> yea, im off for more paper, brb :P
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[15:23] <robert1971> Any one want to stab at a good watt level for resistors for avr circuits
[15:23] <robert1971> o.5 ok?
[15:24] <gordonjcp> robert1971: whatever you've got
[15:24] <robert1971> Farnell's has hundreds of different ratings
[15:25] <robert1971> the 0.5W ones are cheep though but the 0.25 are cheeper !!!
[15:32] <EI5GTB> well, what ya gonna be runnin?
[15:32] <EI5GTB> i keep mainly .5w
[15:32] <SpeedEvil> quarter watt is adequate for 99% of stuff
[15:33] <Shanuson> well, are the 0.25 twice as cheap as the 0,5's?
[15:33] <SpeedEvil> Also
[15:33] <SpeedEvil> farnell are probably a poor place to get resistors.
[15:34] <SpeedEvil> IIRC http://www.rapidonline.com/
[15:34] <SpeedEvil> have some cheap non ROHS ones ATM
[15:34] <SpeedEvil> or at leas tthey did a few days ago.
[15:34] <SpeedEvil> ebay is worth a go for a selection of stuff.
[15:35] <SpeedEvil> 5V at 50mA is .25W - which is the most you're likely to need for an AVR - as 5V is the supply volts, and 50mA is over the maximum per-pin current.
[15:36] <jnd> what is the point of using it as heater with avr? :)
[15:37] <EI5GTB> for ( ; 1==1 ; ) what if somthing weird happens in the universe, and 1 ceases to equal 1?your whole program could crash :O
[15:37] <SpeedEvil> I'd recommend getting a good selection of 0.25W resistors, then .1.5,...100 in 1W or so, and a few 10W ones at maybe .1,1,10R
[15:38] <jnd> EI5GTB: for(;;)
[15:38] <SpeedEvil> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/480-piece-Resistor-Selection-Kit-Multi-value-CR25-5_W0QQitemZ350084136355QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item350084136355&_trksid=p3286.m14.l1318 isn't horrible value
[15:46] <jnd> EI5GTB: only if it compiles as compare instruction :p
[15:46] <EI5GTB> emm
[15:46] <EI5GTB> sounds fun...
[15:46] <EI5GTB> :P
[15:47] <EI5GTB> int flash_thing_real_fast(int pin)
[15:47] <EI5GTB> {
[15:47] <EI5GTB> PORTB |= (1 << pin);
[15:47] <EI5GTB> _delay_ms(50);
[15:47] <EI5GTB> PORTB |= (0 << pin);
[15:47] <EI5GTB> _delay_ms(100);
[15:47] <EI5GTB> PORTB |= (1 << pin);
[15:47] <EI5GTB> _delay_ms(50);
[15:47] <EI5GTB> PORTB |= (0 << pin);
[15:47] <EI5GTB> return 1;
[15:47] <EI5GTB> }
[15:47] <EI5GTB> why does that just make the dam pin glow?
[15:48] <EI5GTB> led that is
[15:48] <jnd> if the pin glows you have short somewhere :p
[15:48] <EI5GTB> :P
[15:50] <soneil> try slowing it down and seeing if it's really a glow, or if the led just doesn't visibily switch in 20Hz ?
[15:51] <Shanuson> shouldn't it be 5 hz?
[15:52] <jnd> a bit more
[15:53] <jnd> depends if you have defined the cpu speed right
[15:53] <soneil> 1/50ms would be 20, I didn't pay attention to there being a 100 in there too
[15:53] <Shanuson> hm 200ms+ time of pinchange, should be less than 5hz
[15:53] <EI5GTB> rihgt, i made some alterations
[15:53] <EI5GTB> defo a glow
[15:53] <EI5GTB> int flash_thing_real_fast(int pin)
[15:53] <EI5GTB> {
[15:53] <EI5GTB> PORTB |= (1 << pin);
[15:53] <EI5GTB> _delay_ms(200);
[15:53] <EI5GTB> PORTB |= (0 << pin);
[15:54] <EI5GTB> return 1;
[15:54] <EI5GTB> }
[15:54] <EI5GTB> when it is called in the main function it starts to glow, and thats it..
[15:54] <jnd> Shanuson: there was more that pinchange
[15:54] <jnd> one*
[15:54] <Shanuson> make it 2000
[15:54] <jnd> EI5GTB: yep, because you have only one delay
[15:55] <jnd> and use pastebin ;)
[15:55] <Shanuson> pinchanges :)
[15:55] <EI5GTB> what......i need another delay?/
[15:55] <soneil> yeah, that second loop only sends the pin 0 for as long as it takes to 'return 1'
[15:55] <Shanuson> repeat delay on delay off
[15:56] <EI5GTB> oic
[15:56] <Shanuson> delay 1000ms
[15:56] <jnd> there is some limit for the delay
[15:56] <Shanuson> hm
[15:57] <Shanuson> than splitt it in allowed delaytimes
[15:57] <jnd> or better use timers :)
[15:57] <soneil> I've been cheating .. using arduino instead of playing right on the chip
[15:57] <Shanuson> jep
[15:59] <EI5GTB> the one thing i cant get my head around....say if i call a function that has a while loop in it, or is waiting for user input, the whole code grinds to a halt.......
[15:59] <EI5GTB> im sure there are ways around that....yes?
[15:59] <Shanuson> hm yep
[15:59] <jnd> interrupts
[15:59] <EI5GTB> ah..
[16:00] <jnd> usually you sleep in main loop and wait for the timer or ext signal
[16:04] <edmoore_> so a balloon code might be structured as an endless while loop - 'should i cut down yet?'
[16:04] <edmoore_> and then ever 10 secs a timer interrupts to take a photo
[16:04] <edmoore_> and every sec the flag will go to say the uart has received a gps string (another interrupt)
[16:05] <edmoore_> and every 20 secs another timer on iterrupt will ping you to launch into a telelmetry send
[16:06] <Shanuson> and your loop should be too long, because as long es you are in a function, nothing else can be done
[16:06] <Shanuson> * not
[16:06] <edmoore_> in our case, the telemetry send is more timers - at 50 baud, the time it takes to send one bit is an absolute eternity by microcontroller standards, so it just turns it on, sets a timer to ping in 20ms time 9when it needs to send the next bit) and goes off and does other stuff
[16:06] <edmoore_> 20ms later, the timer will interrupt it to say 'finished sending your bit, sort me out the next bit' etc
[16:07] <EI5GTB> so while the avr is taking the photo, the "will i9 cut down" loop is paused?
[16:07] <edmoore_> in just the same way you something in the microwave and instead of checking it every second, you go and carry on with what you were doing until you hear the ping
[16:07] <EI5GTB> yea
[16:07] <EI5GTB> hmm, i see
[16:08] <edmoore_> yes, but 'take a photo' is about 3 instructions, which is taking tiny tiny amounts of time
[16:09] <edmoore_> and if you need the photo button to be 'pressed' for 1 second, you turn the pin on, set a timer to ping for 1 second, carry on with what you were doing, and when the timer pings it interrupts the main loop and you go an turn the camera pin off again
[16:09] <Shanuson> for my understanding, take a photo, just pulls one pin to 1 to send a signal to the cam to take a pic, and after a while but it back to 0?
[16:09] <edmoore_> so 'delayms' is a bit of an ugly thing to do
[16:09] <edmoore_> it sets the cpu in a full power tail-chasing loop. it's much nicer to set a timer to interrupt you in 1000ms
[16:09] <edmoore_> and you will see this when you get onto the timer tutorial :)
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[16:16] <jnd> edmoore_: in avr you send bytes not bits :p
[16:16] <EI5GTB> so im am making a rotator, which will have a loop "where am i supposed to be pointing? am i pointing there? if so, grand job, fire away, if not, where am i and how do i get to where i want to be? ok so rotate(right 3)" at the same time, it has to be listening for maual button presses...and asking a user wheere it wants it to go, so it would say on the screen, where do you want me to go, and then it sleeps till someone presses the b
[16:16] <EI5GTB> uttons?
[16:16] <edmoore_> in rtty over the radio you send bits, I can assure you!
[16:16] <edmoore_> it's a bit-banged 50-baud protocol to the radio
[16:17] <edmoore_> through the DAC
[16:17] <jnd> but if you use the hw uart
[16:19] <edmoore_> that's true yes
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[17:07] <fnoble> hello
[17:08] <fnoble> jcoxon: just got your emails, well done on the camera
[17:08] <fnoble> this is getting exciting
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[17:08] <jcoxon> nah i'm still having issues
[17:08] <jcoxon> its proving tough
[17:08] <jcoxon> as it uses my only usb port it means that i have to debug slightly blind
[17:08] <jcoxon> (i use the usb port to get console access usually
[17:09] <edmoore> and the weather has arrived
[17:10] <edmoore> fnoble: I think this evening could be another debit card moment
[17:10] <edmoore> a f-it it's only money
[17:10] <fnoble> in other news ive decided not to leave the country
[17:10] <fnoble> so i can make the launch
[17:10] <edmoore> for my dabs shopping list has built up to the point that i could make a wicked little server box
[17:10] <fnoble> edmoore: what are you buying?
[17:11] <edmoore> fnoble: that's rocking
[17:11] <edmoore> you can make it a 2-day journey and stop over at mine if you want
[17:11] <fnoble> i had a moment like that this morning
[17:11] <edmoore> then I'll drive ye from ox to cam, save the journey costs
[17:11] <fnoble> my phone contract was up so i was shopping for a new phone
[17:11] <edmoore> I will put a pic of my shopping list up in a min
[17:11] <fnoble> yeah, sounds good
[17:11] <edmoore> did you nearly get an iphone?
[17:12] <fnoble> nearly... erm.. well
[17:12] <fnoble> i couldnt resist
[17:12] <fnoble> its so shiny
[17:13] <jcoxon> edmoore, found a 7805 that i had lying around
[17:13] <edmoore> cool
[17:13] <edmoore> you actually got one?
[17:13] <fnoble> yeah
[17:13] <edmoore> OMG
[17:13] <fnoble> contract was the same price
[17:13] <fnoble> as i was paying before
[17:13] <edmoore> so worth the extra 3100 :p
[17:13] <edmoore> £100*
[17:13] <fnoble> yeah
[17:13] <edmoore> anyone know if you can have imbalanced sizes in raid1?
[17:15] <edmoore> so say i have 2 250gbs in raid1 and in 3 years one of them falls over, can I replace it with a 1TB hdd given they'll probably cost as much as a 250gb now?
[17:20] <EI5GTB> as far as i know thery have to be same size
[17:21] <EI5GTB> but mybe you can partition 250gb, im not sure
[17:21] <EI5GTB> mabye someone knows better, but as far as i know you cant
[17:22] <fnoble> edmoore: do you really need raid1?
[17:22] <fnoble> 500gb is better than 250gb in raid1 imho
[17:22] <fnoble> seeing as you dont need ultra reliability
[17:22] <edmoore> well I won't have that much data, but the data I do have I want backed up
[17:23] <fnoble> ok cool
[17:23] <edmoore> there's 'no backups' and there's 'ultra reliability' and this is somewhere in between
[17:23] <edmoore> if it was ripped videos I wouldn't care
[17:23] <edmoore> but it'll be probably all my part II degree work
[17:24] <fnoble> ok fair enough
[17:26] <edmoore> and could be a file server for cusf too, 's what I'm thinking
[17:26] <edmoore> for all the vids off nova cameras, which are all over the place atm
[17:27] <fnoble> yeah, and the svn etc. would be good to have on there
[17:28] <edmoore> yeah
[17:28] <edmoore> well that's the idea, if people want to use it
[17:28] <edmoore> something fast and onsite, and could maybe sit in the ifm basement permenantly
[17:28] <edmoore> or perhaps just the holidays
[17:29] <edmoore> as if i stick a wireless card in it, it'll leave me free to roam my room with the apple
[17:29] <fnoble> yeah, the ifm basement would be good as then you dont get charged for bwidth
[17:29] <edmoore> exactly
[17:29] <edmoore> I nearly bought an old 4u rack server case
[17:29] <edmoore> and that would then be in one of those 4U flight cases
[17:30] <edmoore> but this case I've found is pretty cute, i think
[17:30] <edmoore> I was going to limit myself to £250, but it's come to 267 before optical drive so far
[17:30] <edmoore> I've got 4GB of ram, that could go to two, tho that'd be a bit crap
[17:35] <fnoble> oh the gays- its wants 10.4.10
[17:35] <fnoble> and apparently the update breaks hackintoshes
[17:35] <fnoble> :(
[17:36] <edmoore> can you jailbreak it?
[17:36] <fnoble> i mean the itunes version that has iphone support wants 10.4.10
[17:37] <fnoble> ok, cool apparently there is a workaround
[17:39] <jcoxon> damn it, i can't seem to get it working again
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[17:40] <edmoore> fnoble: do you know how long we have ifm for roughly?
[17:41] <fnoble> i dont think we have been told we have to leave
[17:41] <fnoble> but you know, we are bottom of the pile so we may get oiked out if someone better comes along
[17:43] <edmoore> yeah
[17:43] <edmoore> well jcoxon and natrium42 and phatmonkey and I were talking about places to host all the dynamic tracker stuff when we do launches
[17:44] <edmoore> and the box I'm building could probably handle it all pretty well
[17:44] <jcoxon> sure but will you have a connection all the time?
[17:44] <edmoore> as long as it has a world-visible ip when there's a launch, I guess we're ok
[17:44] <jcoxon> true
[17:44] <edmoore> I was about to say - we would have to make sure it was 'somewhere' with a decent connection come launch-day
[17:45] <edmoore> it's not ideal though as it's nor permenently somewhere
[17:45] <edmoore> but it's 2.2GHz core 2 duo and 4gb ram. should be plenty man enough
[17:45] <jcoxon> its more the net connection that i'm worried about
[17:45] <phatmonkey> hello
[17:45] <jcoxon> would think that would be the limiting factor
[17:46] <phatmonkey> not around much, but let me know if we need to talk servers
[17:46] <jcoxon> hehe we are
[17:46] <phatmonkey> give me a sec
[17:46] <phatmonkey> lil bit busy
[17:46] <edmoore> jcoxon: well we'd be on CUDN
[17:46] <edmoore> so it's not a limiting factor
[17:46] <jcoxon> but aren't there caps?
[17:46] <jcoxon> (sorry i'm being the devils advocate)
[17:47] <edmoore> not if it's in the institute for mnufacturing...
[17:47] <jcoxon> perfect :-p
[17:47] <edmoore> where are basement broom cupboard store room is
[17:47] <edmoore> which has ethernet points
[17:47] <edmoore> the other thing fnoble that jcoxon and I mentioned was setting up forwarding through srcf
[17:47] <edmoore> with their permission
[17:48] <edmoore> they like us, afterall
[17:48] <edmoore> they just forward the traffic, and thus we circumvent any college bandwidth limits
[17:48] <edmoore> and means it can be run from any college room
[17:48] <edmoore> and we take all the nasty dynamic crucnhing off their hands
[17:49] <fnoble> yeah, if the ifm give us hassle then it can go in my room for the next launch
[17:49] <fnoble> the ifm are pretty slow at getting round to setting up network stuff
[17:49] <phatmonkey> right, what's going on then?
[17:49] <phatmonkey> not sure how far i need to read up
[17:49] <edmoore> you don't yet
[17:50] <edmoore> it's just idea bashing
[17:50] <phatmonkey> oh ok
[17:50] <edmoore> i'm building a fairly manly headless box
[17:50] <jcoxon> what sort of amount of number crunching will be required
[17:50] <jcoxon> isn't it worth having a nicely set up server we pay money for?
[17:51] <phatmonkey> my server has a pretty much 100mbit/s connection, and it's a pretty speedy dual 2.8ghz xeon box if that matters
[17:51] <edmoore> jcoxon: if you want to pay money for it
[17:51] <edmoore> but I hate subscriptions when I'm a student
[17:51] <edmoore> constant money going out
[17:51] <edmoore> phatmonkey: sounds more than up to the task then
[17:52] <jcoxon> how about we use the next launch as an test bed for something
[17:53] <jcoxon> to gauge what sort of pressure it'll all be under
[17:54] <edmoore> yeah
[17:54] <edmoore> should be the biggest to date
[17:55] <edmoore> or at least the combined sunrise/party trick one should be
[17:55] <jcoxon> whats the plan for it then?
[17:55] <jcoxon> (i'm a little bit caught up right now)
[17:55] <edmoore> launch one sunrise
[17:55] <edmoore> when we're ready
[17:55] <edmoore> ...
[17:55] <soneil> party trick ?
[17:56] <jcoxon> oh i meant next weekend one
[17:56] <edmoore> oh I dunno, you're the boss
[17:56] <jcoxon> urgh
[17:56] <edmoore> I'm 95% sure I'll be there
[17:56] <jcoxon> can i dump some reponsability on people?
[17:57] <edmoore> give me a week's notice if you want to use churchill, and I'll send the emails
[17:58] <jcoxon> i think the plan is ears next week
[17:58] <edmoore> in maters of noble gas, I think it's BYO
[17:58] <edmoore> ok
[17:58] <fnoble> well we have another full bottle in churchill
[17:58] <fnoble> courtesy of BOC
[17:58] <fnoble> why not use that?
[17:59] <edmoore> your call
[17:59] <edmoore> though transport
[17:59] <edmoore> but it might be enough to sway things for a chu launch
[17:59] <fnoble> we cant move the gas fomr churchill
[17:59] <edmoore> fnoble: do you know where the reg is?
[17:59] <fnoble> in the ifm
[17:59] <edmoore> ok cool
[17:59] <edmoore> though not cool as we don't have access
[18:00] <fnoble> i have rob's card
[18:00] <edmoore> I should get that sorted - i think it's cos I got a new blue card that i lost access
[18:00] <edmoore> oh do you?
[18:00] <edmoore> ok cool
[18:00] <fnoble> yes i do
[18:00] <edmoore> ok jcoxon: ball in your court
[18:00] <jcoxon> hmmmm
[18:00] <fnoble> chill bra'
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[19:09] <MetaMorfoziS> oh, hai
[19:18] <fnoble> brb
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[19:20] <natrium42> !summon jcoxon
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[19:24] <natrium42> OMG, it worked
[19:24] <natrium42> [14:20] <natrium42> !summon jcoxon
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[19:24] <natrium42> :D
[19:24] <jcoxon> haha
[19:25] <jcoxon> i just was compelled to come online
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[19:25] <jcoxon> thanks :-)
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[19:25] <jcoxon> whats up?
[19:25] <natrium42> you have been pinging me?
[19:25] <jcoxon> yup
[19:25] <jcoxon> wanted some software
[19:26] <jcoxon> well more your tracking code
[19:26] <natrium42> ah, ok
[19:26] <natrium42> let me pack it up for you
[19:26] <jcoxon> thank you
[19:27] <natrium42> i have a bit of time this weekend before the exams start
[19:27] <natrium42> so i can also do some work if anything is needed
[19:27] <jcoxon> when do they start?
[19:27] <natrium42> wednesday
[19:27] <jcoxon> monday and tues for me
[19:28] <natrium42> do you need to study?
[19:28] <jcoxon> probably
[19:28] <jcoxon> but not for 30mins or so
[19:28] <jcoxon> then i'll be away for an hour
[19:28] <natrium42> ok
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[19:30] <jcoxon> actually i'll do the hour now
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[19:31] <natrium42> k, see ya later
[19:31] <jcoxon> oops, a bit hasty leaving
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[19:32] <natrium42> *a lurker
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[19:40] <jnd> lurker as in starcraft?
[19:44] <natrium42> no :P
[19:44] <natrium42> i lurk on IRC when away
[19:52] <jnd> I have interesting associations because english is not my first lang :)
[20:02] <akawaka> http://picasaweb.google.com/martin.donlon/Random/photo#5229625904397525506
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[20:08] <edmoore> is anyone here a dabs customer who'd be able to do me a huge favour?
[20:15] <natrium42> hmm, where should i put the tracker code?
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[20:19] <SpeedEvil> edmoore: I was contemplating an order in a couple of days - what?
[20:20] <edmoore> are you a registered customer?
[20:20] <SpeedEvil> no - not ATM
[20:20] <edmoore> My prob is this - they can only send to billing address for new customers, and I am several hundred miles from my billing address and will be for the next 5 weeks
[20:21] <SpeedEvil> ah
[20:21] <SpeedEvil> ok - that won't work - I'd be a new customer
[20:24] <SpeedEvil> What are you needing?
[20:26] <natrium42> somebody link jcoxon to http://wiki.ukhas.org.uk/projects:tracker once he is here, please
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[20:28] <SpeedEvil> k
[20:29] <EI5GTB> http://diydrones.com/profiles/blog/show?id=705844%3ABlogPost%3A35640
[20:29] <EI5GTB> now there somthing intrests me..
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[20:39] <akawaka> http://gizmodo.com/5032123/lego-robot-sends-pictures-from-space-wishes-it-had-lasers-to-annihilate-us-all
[20:40] <soneil> <natrium42> somebody link jcoxon to http://wiki.ukhas.org.uk/projects:tracker once he is here, please
[20:40] <jcoxon> thats really cool
[20:40] <jcoxon> thanks soneil
[20:40] <jcoxon> everyone who is around, i have a little question:
[20:41] <jcoxon> i've got a usb device which i want to give an external power supply (long story why)
[20:41] <jcoxon> now if i rig it up so vcc and gnd come from another usb port (5v) everything works
[20:42] <jcoxon> however if i have a 9v battery + 7805 regulator to produce 5v it doesn't work
[20:42] <jcoxon> any ideas?
[20:43] <soneil> is the regulator getting hot at all?
[20:43] <jcoxon> nope
[20:43] <fnoble> what is the voltage on the 7805 output when the device is turned on
[20:44] <jcoxon> 5v
[20:44] <jcoxon> though i'll wire it up and check
[20:44] <jcoxon> i'm beginning to sway towards a common ground problem
[20:46] <fnoble> so what is happening to the data lines?
[20:46] <jcoxon> so teh data lines are connected to the gumstixs usb port
[20:46] <jcoxon> and so is gnd
[20:46] <jcoxon> and then vcc and gnd are connected to the power supply
[20:48] <soneil> vcc on the gumstix isn't used at all?
[20:48] <jcoxon> nope
[20:48] <jcoxon> its not engaging hte usb port?
[20:49] <jnd> do you have caps for the 7805?
[20:49] <jcoxon> no
[20:49] <jcoxon> should i?
[20:49] <jnd> could help
[20:50] <jcoxon> guess usb devices are quite sensitive
[20:50] <akawaka> they are
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[21:23] <jcoxon> hmmm i've add a reg + capacitors and it works on my laptop
[21:23] <jcoxon> but not on the gumstix
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[22:02] <jcoxon> natrium42, thanks for the code- i've got it working, nice and easy to set up though you need a new google maps key
[22:02] <jcoxon> i'll add that info to the wiki
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[22:20] <natrium42> jcoxon, oh right, new key is a good idea
[22:20] <jcoxon> i've added the install file to the wiki so people know what to do
[22:20] <jcoxon> sorry the installation doc file
[22:20] <natrium42> yep, great
[22:21] <natrium42> i should probably take my own API key out of the archive
[22:21] <jcoxon> yeah, though people can't actually use it
[22:21] <jcoxon> but yeah
[22:21] <natrium42> google checks the domain?
[22:21] <jcoxon> yeah
[22:21] <jcoxon> thats how i found i couldn't use it
[22:22] <natrium42> ah, that's good then
[22:22] <natrium42> did you set up email tracking too?
[22:22] <jcoxon> also perhaps add a bit of credit at the bottom :-)
[22:22] <jcoxon> not yet
[22:22] <natrium42> meh, i don't care about credit
[22:22] <natrium42> it's really not much code
[22:22] <jcoxon> http://www.pegasushabproject.org.uk/track/track/
[22:22] <natrium42> so go nuts with it
[22:23] <natrium42> cool :)
[22:23] <jcoxon> i guess we are still debating whether to do just a ukhas one
[22:23] <jcoxon> and have all of the tracks on there
[22:23] <natrium42> admin folder should be password locked
[22:23] <natrium42> or you can rename it to something other than admin
[22:23] <jcoxon> which folder?
[22:24] <natrium42> http://www.pegasushabproject.org.uk/track/track/admin/
[22:24] <natrium42> anybody could go in and delete the track
[22:24] <jcoxon> good point
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[22:24] <natrium42> another security flaw is that anybody can add points
[22:24] <jcoxon> can i do that myself?
[22:24] <jcoxon> or right
[22:24] <jcoxon> yeah
[22:24] <natrium42> yep
[22:24] <natrium42> so i just need to add some kind of key
[22:25] <natrium42> which is checked before point is added
[22:25] <jnd> natrium42: PGP key :p
[22:25] <natrium42> you want to encrypt locations? :P
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[23:10] <natrium42> wb edmoore
[23:10] <edmoore> yo
[23:11] <SpeedEvil> <natrium42> somebody link jcoxon to http://wiki.ukhas.org.uk/projects:tracker
[23:11] <SpeedEvil> once he is here, please
[23:11] <SpeedEvil> oh
[23:11] <jcoxon> haha
[23:12] <SpeedEvil> Ok, I guess you told him.
[23:12] <natrium42> he's seen it :P
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[23:12] <natrium42> thanks for remembering, though :)
[23:18] <edmoore> SpeedEvil: the nova 6 track you saw on that was thanks to jcoxon
[23:18] <edmoore> so I bought my computer bits for the wee server
[23:18] <edmoore> exciting stuff
[23:18] <jcoxon> yay
[23:19] <jcoxon> ping phatmonkey
[23:19] <edmoore> 300 smackers ($600) poorer, but a lovely machine
[23:20] <edmoore> dual core 2.4ghz, 4gb ram, 250gb hdds in raid 1, and all 120mm fans for quitness
[23:20] <edmoore> can't wait
[23:20] <jcoxon> wow
[23:20] <edmoore> it's living in my uni room so quitness is a must
[23:20] <jcoxon> its amazing what you get for your money
[23:20] <jcoxon> you need a cupboard server like me
[23:20] <edmoore> yeah, i was quite impressed
[23:21] <jcoxon> you need to see it
[23:21] <jcoxon> it looks really cool
[23:21] <edmoore> and the case was an unecessary luxury - a really sweet http://www.xcase.co.uk/p/288122/antec-nsk-1380--micro-atx-cube---350-watt-psu.html
[23:21] <jcoxon> brilliant
[23:21] <edmoore> but it'll be moved around 6 or 7 times a year to small and portable is a useful attribute
[23:23] <edmoore> lots of ram for VM. There's a wicked awesome mac app for making dvds inti ipod touch/iphone format, so I'll install that on a vm and fergus and I can use it
[23:24] <jcoxon> hehe
[23:24] <edmoore> I want to call the server 'useful'
[23:24] <edmoore> useful.cuspaceflight.co.uk
[23:24] <fnoble> who is our domain with?
[23:25] <fnoble> if its 123reg (i think it is) then we can do that
[23:25] <edmoore> i dunno, but if they don't do subdomains we should move
[23:25] <fnoble> without even using crappy forwarding
[23:25] <fnoble> they let you hand edit the dns settings
[23:25] <edmoore> i'll register the box with one of those dynamicdns types too
[23:26] <edmoore> to swap between my room and ifm
[23:26] <fnoble> you wont need to in cambridge
[23:26] <jcoxon> edmoore, what os are you going to run?
[23:26] <fnoble> windows 95
[23:26] <edmoore> ubuntu server don;t laugh
[23:26] <edmoore> it's simple and nice
[23:26] <jcoxon> fair enough
[23:26] <jcoxon> i was hoping for DOS
[23:26] <jnd> freedos
[23:26] <edmoore> i had a play earlier with it on virtual box and it was all very painless
[23:26] <fnoble> nt server 4
[23:27] <jcoxon> singularity
[23:27] <jnd> technological
[23:27] <fnoble> yeah, ubuntu is lovely - good effort/reward ratio
[23:27] <edmoore> on the cd is lamp, open ssh, xfce etc
[23:27] <jcoxon> howabout lfs
[23:27] <jcoxon> :-p
[23:27] <edmoore> everything else is just an apt-get install away
[23:27] <edmoore> suits me
[23:27] <jcoxon> !LFS
[23:27] <jcoxon> oops
[23:28] <edmoore> oh hush jcoxon
[23:28] <fnoble> edmoore: stuff xfce
[23:28] <edmoore> just want it to work
[23:28] <edmoore> it's my server
[23:28] <jcoxon> hehe
[23:28] <edmoore> and also the wireless hub for my room
[23:28] <fnoble> if your going headless why bother with all that
[23:28] <jcoxon> thats one powerful hub
[23:28] <edmoore> if we make a can antenna it'll give wireless to the launch site in churchill playing fields
[23:28] <jcoxon> very cool
[23:29] <edmoore> so we can webcam up
[23:29] <edmoore> fnoble: correct, but if I chicken out and use VNC, it'll be useful, non?
[23:29] <fnoble> install it when you need it then
[23:29] <edmoore> not that I forsee needing to vnc into a basic server
[23:30] <edmoore> though for the virtualisation stuff....
[23:30] <fnoble> anyway, you can just tunnel x through ssh, dont need full blown vnc
[23:30] <edmoore> fnoble: this is our box for making films into ipod/ipjone format
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[23:30] <edmoore> takes about 90 minutes a dvd on my mbp
[23:30] <fnoble> heh, cool cool
[23:30] <fnoble> god damnit the sdk needs leopard
[23:30] <edmoore> i want it busy, all the time
[23:31] <edmoore> fnoble: get leopard
[23:31] <edmoore> it's so nice
[23:31] <edmoore> everyone - you need to run sims for days or weeks at a time, lemme know. There are cores going free.
[23:31] <fnoble> yeah i mean but its serious hassle
[23:31] <fnoble> *mean to
[23:31] <edmoore> now is the time
[23:32] <fnoble> dont have an external drive to store all my stuff on in the mean time
[23:32] <edmoore> you have an iphone goddam it
[23:32] <edmoore> i like the way you've now spanned both ends of the technological spectrum with mobile phones
[23:32] <fnoble> my acer is now sporting one of those apple stickers too :)
[23:32] <edmoore> the derivative of your advancement approaches infinity
[23:32] <jnd> edmoore: I'll give you couple of scientific infinite loops :p
[23:33] <edmoore> jnd: I'm quit serious, if you have something you want to let crunch, shout
[23:33] <jnd> boinc
[23:33] <edmoore> if it's cpp, tell me the libraries you want and I'll compile them on, and knock yourself out
[23:34] <edmoore> it'll have boost and blitz and netcfd and stuff by default as I'lkl need them
[23:34] <edmoore> cool
[23:34] <edmoore> sorted
[23:39] <edmoore> should use boinc for work
[23:39] <edmoore> 1000cpus = 39 sims each = 3ish hours
[23:40] <edmoore> rather than a week
[23:41] <fnoble> so when is it being delivered?
[23:42] <edmoore> i misswed tomorrow
[23:42] <edmoore> so '1-3 working days'
[23:43] <edmoore> but free, which I can't argue with
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[23:51] <edmoore> hi robert1971
[23:51] <robert1971> Hi Being bashing my head with the avr programmer but now I know the problem and the fix
[23:51] <natrium42> hey
[23:52] <jcoxon> right i'm off
[23:52] <jcoxon> night all
[23:52] <natrium42> robert1971, some atmel avr were faulty
[23:52] <natrium42> nite jcoxon
[23:52] <natrium42> robert1971, and programming via ISP lines didn't work
[23:52] <jcoxon> had enough of bashing my head against this wall
[23:52] <natrium42> and you had to use JTAG
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[23:54] <robert1971> Atmel droped 10pin for 6pin connectors. My board has 10pin connector the 10pin programmer I have is not supported under linux (crap programmer) and the atmel one i got from Farnel for free (they were chucking it out) has a 6pin connector. I have found a 6 - 10 pin converter and thats on it's way from america. In the mean time an old // port one should be comming in the post tomorrow
[23:55] <natrium42> yay, so i got your problem right :P
[23:55] <robert1971> natrium42: Hi! Moving forward at a snail pace today
[23:55] <akawaka> anyone speak italian?
[23:55] <robert1971> Yep
[23:56] <natrium42> robert1971, so when do you expect the JTAG programmer to come?
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[23:56] <natrium42> akawaka, google translate does
[23:56] <natrium42> :)
[23:56] <robert1971> Tomorrow in the post with a bit of luck. It's an old serial one. I have ordered 2 other programmers as well. Don't ask why got a bit carried away.
[23:57] <robert1971> opps not serial parallel
[23:57] <natrium42> can never have enough! :)
[23:57] <edmoore> ok bedtime, cya chapses
[23:57] <natrium42> nite edmoore
[23:57] <akawaka> i need it for european localization
[23:57] <edmoore> ... need to get some female balloonists
[23:57] <robert1971> Night Night I'm off 2 at midnight
[23:57] <akawaka> so some google bastardization isn't gonna help:)
[23:57] <robert1971> Yep
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[23:59] <robert1971> nantrium42: Gone for one of these programmers as it seems to be supported in Linux
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