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[02:56] <icez> http://www.ua.nws.noaa.gov/factsheet.htm
[02:57] <icez> part where it starts with "Less than 20 percent of.."
[02:57] <icez> pretty funny :P
[03:38] <natrium42> it's probably cheaper for them to expend them
[03:38] <natrium42> than to organize search parties, etc
[05:01] <icez> yeah
[05:01] <icez> can't imagine looking for 60 balloons at a time
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[09:08] <jcoxon> morning edmoore
[09:09] <edmoore> morning jcoxon
[09:10] <jcoxon> good drive back?
[09:16] <edmoore> jcoxon: sorry was on t'other computer
[09:16] <edmoore> yeah it was good
[09:16] <edmoore> I have a new Moore's rule
[09:17] <jcoxon> oh really
[09:17] <edmoore> If you undertake a journey after 10pm whose duration >1.5 hours, the probability of finding a radio station playing Total Eclipse of the Heart tends to 1
[09:18] <edmoore> I think it must be some government campaign to stop people falling asleep at the wheel
[09:18] <jcoxon> haha
[09:18] <jcoxon> were you inspired to carry on with that beautiful power ballad
[09:19] <edmoore> How could i fail to me?
[09:19] <edmoore> And I neeeeed you mooooore thnevaaa
[09:20] <jcoxon> hehe
[09:20] <jcoxon> i'm just researching how to resolder a chip on my old ibook to get it working
[09:20] <jcoxon> then i'm going to make a tablet :-p
[09:20] <edmoore> free sever thing!
[09:20] <edmoore> oh cool
[09:20] <edmoore> and install it in your car?
[09:20] <jcoxon> i've got a server already
[09:20] <edmoore> as a balloon ground flight copmputer thing?
[09:21] <edmoore> the worlds awesomest satnav?
[09:21] <jcoxon> well the balloon ground flight computer is coming along nicely
[09:21] <jcoxon> oooo i should get you to set up wine on your laptop so you can run truetty
[09:23] <edmoore> jcoxon: yes please
[09:23] <edmoore> I will
[09:23] <edmoore> though i do have parallels
[09:23] <jcoxon> get macports
[09:23] <edmoore> so it should be easy
[09:23] <jcoxon> but it pretty much runs native on wine
[09:23] <edmoore> ok
[09:23] <edmoore> arg not macports
[09:24] <jcoxon> hehe
[09:24] <edmoore> I've never had any joy with it
[09:24] <jcoxon> pah - its fine
[09:24] <edmoore> doesn't seem to like me - refused to make octave work
[09:24] <edmoore> ended up compiling it all myself
[09:24] <edmoore> after a day of dependency collecting
[09:24] <edmoore> back in 5 mins
[09:24] <jcoxon> np]
[09:30] <edmoore> bk
[09:35] <jcoxon> hmmm touch panels are expensive
[09:35] <edmoore> aye, cn't imagine it being a cheap job
[09:35] <jcoxon> perhaps we can invent a new format
[09:35] <edmoore> is there an online guide for this kind of modification?
[09:36] <jcoxon> the keyboards are so tiny perhaps it pops out
[09:36] <jcoxon> yeah there are guides - it all depends on what touch screen you go for
[09:44] <edmoore> Can't beleive the gits are launching on wednesday
[09:44] <edmoore> I wanna be there!
[09:45] <jcoxon> tis harsh
[09:46] <jcoxon> is everything coming together?
[09:48] <edmoore> jcoxon: yes
[09:48] <edmoore> I got a text from badger yesterday
[09:48] <edmoore> so i guess we're ready to go now
[09:48] <jcoxon> amazing
[09:49] <jcoxon> i made lots of progress yesterday
[09:49] <jcoxon> i have gps, radio and gsm all working
[09:49] <jcoxon> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63lUd1PsTnA&feature=related
[09:49] <jcoxon> just need to get all those to run on start up
[09:51] <edmoore> jcoxon: he looks like you.
[09:51] <jcoxon> oi
[09:52] <edmoore> I think you should do your hair like that
[09:52] <jcoxon> and look like and emo
[09:52] <jcoxon> thanks ed
[09:52] <edmoore> really brings out the colour of your (one remaining) eye
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[10:05] <jcoxon> right i'll bbl
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[10:57] <jcoxon> urgh i've made a damn solder bridge that won't shift
[10:57] <jcoxon> even with wick
[11:16] <edmoore> ?
[11:16] <edmoore> eeek
[11:16] <edmoore> do you have flux?
[11:17] <jcoxon> nope
[11:18] <jcoxon> i don't think my soldering iron is hot enough - its pretty crappy
[11:19] <edmoore> flux is the key
[11:19] <edmoore> james, sod the macbook project, a good soldering iron will make your life so much better
[11:20] <edmoore> spend your money properly :P get a good digital temp controlled thing off ebay for £50. You'll never look back.
[11:20] <edmoore> badger was a breese to put together cos of my chinese special.
[11:20] <jcoxon> i know i know
[11:21] <edmoore> do it.
[11:21] <edmoore> do it now.
[11:21] <edmoore> it will help you get through exams
[11:21] <edmoore> recreational soldering
[11:21] <jcoxon> haha
[11:24] <edmoore> I'm quite serious. I will nag you into doing this.
[11:24] <edmoore> Find something for £50
[11:25] <jcoxon> i'm looking!
[11:26] <edmoore> show me if you find something
[11:26] <edmoore> the ones sparkfun seel are great too
[11:26] <edmoore> but I got mine from a really really cheap ebay uk vendor, the name of which escapes me
[11:26] <jcoxon> whats the make?
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[11:28] <jcoxon> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/New-Soldering-Station-CSI-Station-2A-Digital-Display_W0QQitemZ220257680281QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item220257680281&_trksid=p3286.m14.l1318
[11:28] <jcoxon> there are lots of these:
[11:28] <jcoxon> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VARIABLE-8W-TO-40W-SOLDERING-IRON-STATION-STAND-SOLDER_W0QQitemZ250270945962QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item250270945962&_trksid=p3286.m14.l1318
[11:52] <edmoore> jcoxon: sorry you ened to ping me :p
[11:53] <edmoore> jcoxon: something like that first one would be perfect
[11:54] <edmoore> see if you can get some tips as well
[11:54] <edmoore> or at least be sure you can find a supplier of them
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[14:58] <MetaMorfoziS> Ezt nem hiszem el.
[14:59] <MetaMorfoziS> wrong channel, sorry
[15:21] <edmoore> MetaMorfoziS: not to worry!
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[16:07] <edmoore> jcoxon: ooooooooh! http://www.trustedreviews.com/pcs/review/2008/07/18/Asus-Eee-Box-First-Look/p1
[16:08] <edmoore> and I've been looking for a server for my room for next year too, to provide wifi, backup, svn server and some CUSF serving.
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[18:06] <jcoxon> hey edmoore_
[18:07] <edmoore_> jcoxon: yo
[18:07] <jcoxon> sorry have been out revising
[18:07] Nick change: edmoore_ -> edmoore
[18:07] <edmoore> np
[18:07] <edmoore> i posted about eeebox
[18:07] <jcoxon> burnt my finger and thumb this morning on my soldering iron
[18:07] <edmoore> though actually I can get a lot more bang for £200
[18:07] <jcoxon> really hurts
[18:07] <edmoore> bought a new one?
[18:07] <jcoxon> been revising!
[18:12] <edmoore> sigh
[18:13] <jcoxon> i'll get round to it
[18:13] <jcoxon> soon
[18:17] <edmoore> octave rocks. just wrote a bash script that iterated some sims (written in octave) for the recovery system with different chute parameters to find the optimum one
[18:17] <edmoore> and emails me every 10 sims. trivial for this app but in a bit we'll have to run rocket sims that take about 5 minutes each to run and we'll run several hundred
[18:17] <edmoore> need to find a box to run it on, actually.
[18:18] <jcoxon> what sort of box do you need?
[18:19] <edmoore> needs octave, decent amount of ram and cpu.
[18:19] <edmoore> outputs are tiny, but a fair bit of comuputation
[18:19] <edmoore> We have 'dead man's computer' in the cusf lab, infact, so should be ok
[18:19] <jcoxon> hehe
[18:19] <jcoxon> where are cusf labs?
[18:23] Action: jcoxon wishes a millionaire would donate some money to make a UKHAS lab were we could work and make cool stuff
[18:23] <edmoore> jcoxon: a mouldy basement
[18:23] <jcoxon> nice
[18:23] <edmoore> jcoxon: I agree totally
[18:23] <edmoore> an HQ is where it is at
[18:24] <edmoore> and it needs a ladies sign on the door
[18:24] <jcoxon> oh don't worry edmoore you're in charge of decorating the outside
[18:24] <icez> lol
[18:24] <icez> an old water tower that looks like a balloon ;)?
[18:25] <icez> could open up the top automatically and launch right from the lab :D
[18:25] <jcoxon> YEAH!
[18:25] <jcoxon> i like that idea
[18:25] <jcoxon> a lot
[18:25] <jcoxon> we could have a couple of levels inside
[18:25] <jcoxon> then a launch pad at the top
[18:26] <icez> radio dish on top :]
[18:27] <jcoxon> oh course
[18:28] <edmoore> icez: !!!!
[18:28] <edmoore> that's a brilliant idea
[18:28] <icez> :P
[18:28] <edmoore> jcoxon: we really need a water tower
[18:28] <edmoore> thre are loads in east anglia
[18:28] <jcoxon> there are
[18:28] <jcoxon> but i think they are used
[18:28] <edmoore> how about the one by ears, infact?
[18:28] <jcoxon> http://www.gumtree.com/london/86/9646686.html
[18:31] <icez> :p
[18:31] <icez> that looks like a nice one
[18:31] <jcoxon> actually is quite well placed
[18:31] <jcoxon> as edmoore says there are loads in East Anglia
[18:32] <edmoore> WHO THINKS THIS IS A GOOD WAY TO WRITE YOUR ADVERTISMENT NOT ME CERTAINLY I THINK IT SHOWS THAT I CANNOT EVEN DO ENGLISH AND SO PEOPLE SHOULD STEER CLEAR OF ME FOR FINANCIAL TRANSACTIONS BECAUSE I AM NOT ALL THERE IN THE HEAD
[18:32] <jcoxon> haha, but its a water to wer
[18:32] <jcoxon> to tell the truth a castle would do for me - might not be as practical but far cooler
[18:33] <edmoore> a castle with a moat
[18:33] <icez> an evil volcano lair!
[18:33] <icez> :p
[18:33] <edmoore> a submarine!
[18:33] <edmoore> we could launch out of a missile silo
[18:34] <icez> ohoh you know what'd be cool...a place with a natural underground helium reservoir :p
[18:34] <edmoore> then chase it
[18:34] <jcoxon> guys guys guys
[18:34] <jcoxon> we know exactly what we want
[18:34] <jcoxon> an oil rig
[18:34] <icez> lol
[18:34] <jcoxon> out to sea
[18:34] <jcoxon> not going to land on anyone
[18:34] <jcoxon> also natural gas = helium
[18:34] <edmoore> just need a helicopter
[18:35] <edmoore> they don't need much to run
[18:35] <edmoore> ok bbl, food
[18:35] <jcoxon> right the first one to make lots of milions is buying a balloon lair - water tower/ castle/ volcano/ submarine
[18:35] <jcoxon> they get to choose
[18:37] <icez> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=falcon+field&sll=33.425193,-111.6667&sspn=0.006429,0.01369&ie=UTF8&ll=33.452699,-111.731019&spn=0.003214,0.006845&t=h&z=18
[18:38] <icez> :p
[18:38] <icez> one nearby..
[18:38] <icez> looks so much like a balloon
[18:38] <icez> lol
[18:38] <jcoxon> :-)
[18:38] <icez> you can see it from the street with streetview too
[18:38] <jcoxon> looks good on the street view
[18:38] <jcoxon> hehe
[18:39] <icez> but for a maybe more reasonable budget, doesn't one of the universities rent rooms or such?
[18:39] <icez> :P
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[18:42] <jcoxon> icez, we don't do reasonable :-p
[18:42] <icez> ohoh I know
[18:42] <icez> buy a dirigeable :]
[18:43] <jcoxon> YEAH!
[18:43] <jcoxon> hehe, you're full of good ideas
[18:43] <jcoxon> we could make one
[18:43] <icez> :D
[18:43] <jcoxon> actually i had an interesting email converstion with a airship maker once
[18:43] <icez> put all your equips there and you can bring the lab with ya
[18:43] <jcoxon> YEAH!
[18:44] <jcoxon> it'll need a crew...
[18:44] <icez> you just need rope ninjas to jump off to anchor the dirigeable :P
[18:44] <jcoxon> surely a dirigable is a pirate sort of thing rather than ninjas
[18:44] <jcoxon> and we all know they don't get on
[18:45] <icez> lunar base would be fun but the balloons wouldn't go very high :P
[18:46] <jcoxon> yeah how would that work
[18:46] <Hiena> I don't think so. Only a little hole need at the bottom.
[18:46] <Hiena> ;)
[18:46] <jcoxon> i guess they lack the atmos to be bouyant in
[18:46] <jcoxon> or is that enough
[18:47] <icez> lol
[18:47] Action: jcoxon can't do phyics right now - stuff in medicine mode
[18:47] <jcoxon> physics*
[18:47] <jcoxon> stuck*
[18:47] <icez> :p
[18:47] Action: jcoxon can't type
[18:47] <jcoxon> obviously screwed for tomorrow's exam
[18:47] <Hiena> Well, time to reboot the server. BRB.
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[18:47] <icez> just get yourself a little clinic that you can press a button and all the walls flip sides and it becomes an HABLAB
[18:47] <icez> :P
[18:48] <jcoxon> icez, when these millions arrive, do you wanna a job in hour HABLAB?
[18:48] <jcoxon> our*
[18:49] <jcoxon> i burnt my fingers this morning so thats probably the reason for the crap typing
[18:50] <icez> :P
[18:50] <icez> sure :P
[18:50] <icez> now we just need an hypersonic dirigeable so I can get there every morning ;)
[18:51] <jcoxon> we can just lauch the scramjet
[18:51] <jcoxon> launch*
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[18:51] <jcoxon> i'm going to stop correcting myself - everyone will get the jist of what i'm saying
[18:55] <icez> :P
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[18:56] <icez> they should make a tunnel under the ocean where you get in a capsule and it propels you supersonic in a vaccuum across the ocean :P
[18:56] <icez> maybe that'd work
[18:58] <Hiena> Well, it could produce a fine, and cean death even the smallest malfunction.
[18:59] <jcoxon> hehe
[18:59] <jcoxon> icez, as our HABLAB is in the dirigible we could come to you for part of the yeah
[19:04] <icez> :P
[19:06] <icez> make intercontinent balloons, i'll be the recovery team?:P
[19:06] <jcoxon> icez, did you see the Spirit of Knoxville launch?
[19:07] <jcoxon> (by UTARC - not us!)
[19:07] <icez> imagine all the pretty pictures you'd get from that :/
[19:07] <icez> nah
[19:07] <jcoxon> oh wow
[19:07] <jcoxon> one sec getting a link
[19:08] <jcoxon> it got withing a few hundred kms of Irelad
[19:08] <jcoxon> Ireland
[19:08] <icez> nice
[19:08] <jcoxon> it was soo exciting
[19:09] <jcoxon> 3 days of tracking, loads of people were involved
[19:09] <jcoxon> 3,361.81miles
[19:09] <icez> wow
[19:10] <icez> and 42km high?
[19:10] <jcoxon> not sure of the height
[19:10] <jcoxon> it varied according to the time of day as it was a ZP balloon
[19:11] <icez> i'm surprised by all the "harmless" on balloons :P
[19:11] <jcoxon> why? :-)
[19:11] <icez> well
[19:11] <icez> "yes james? we found one of your balloon and the bomb squad blew it up"
[19:12] <icez> :P
[19:12] <jcoxon> haha, apparently if you say harmless it immediately declassifies it down from a bomb
[19:12] <jcoxon> i have a friend who is a bomb disposal expert
[19:12] <jcoxon> right i'll bbiab
[19:12] <icez> the only way I could imagine it could hurt someone is if the chute failed and it fell on someone's head :P
[19:24] <Hiena> Well, mine version would be: "Hey, Mark! We found your stuff, the army already dispatched the chem-cleanup units, the bomb squad is on way, and the ER teams started to evacuated the R20 area. Ah, and before forget, would you be so kind to, call the NORAD guys and epyplain it... "
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[19:24] <Hiena> Khm...explain...
[19:25] <edmoore_> ?
[19:31] <icez> lol
[19:33] <Hiena> edmoore, nothing. Just described comic way, how the local authorities acts when i start some "experiment".
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[19:36] <edmoore_> sorry, came in late
[19:39] <icez> you missed the talk about a lab for UKHAS
[19:39] <icez> ideas ranged from a rented university room to a water tower to a private dirigeable :P
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[19:41] <edmoore_> i was there!
[19:42] <icez> oh:P
[19:42] Nick change: edmoore_ -> edmoore
[19:42] <icez> well then you just missed the part about all the "harmless" signs on balloons
[19:45] <Hiena> Well, last time they was in the funny mood. I called the inform (which is the similar with the control for the commercial planes) and asked the altitude limit. They said some traffic in the area, so call them at 2000m. I warmed the engine, climbed to 1500m and called the. They said, i'm clear up to 2800. I lifted 2500 and called them. They said i'm clear up to 3500. I lift to 3200 where the carb started to icing (it was early spring, the
[19:45] <Hiena> euter temp was -3). I called them and said, i'm out of power. They said hold the altitude. I said, i can't due the power loss. They, said i have to hold it until they clears the airspace up to 3650....
[19:46] <icez> lol
[19:47] <icez> plane?
[19:48] <Hiena> Powered hang-glider.
[19:48] <icez> cool
[19:49] <Hiena> Wish i could buy a transpoder, that case i could get a licence to flying in the commercial zone.
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[22:03] <edmoore> jcoxon: http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=7840
[22:03] <edmoore> + one of those maxim lipoly charge/management chips
[22:03] <edmoore> + lipoly
[22:03] <edmoore> = never worry about running out of power
[22:04] <edmoore> that's more than enough to run a payload
[22:04] <jcoxon> yeah, thats cool
[22:05] <edmoore> if you could then seal it up to make it watertight, you'd know when it washed up
[22:05] <edmoore> we'd get laurence's payload back
[22:05] <edmoore> that landed on seal island
[22:06] <jcoxon> hmmmm, now thats an interesting - how about a purposeful floater
[22:06] <jcoxon> as in we launch it into the sea and then step back and wait
[22:06] <edmoore> that's potentially expensive
[22:06] <edmoore> but sounds like a lot of fun
[22:07] <edmoore> but if we made future payloads floating and watertight, that'd be a good start
[22:07] <jcoxon> yeah
[22:08] <edmoore> think aboot it. I'm going to dash for last orders
[22:08] <edmoore> bbl
[22:08] <jcoxon> i'll bbl
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[23:28] <Laurenceb> hi all
[23:28] <natrium42> ohai thar
[23:31] <natrium42> bbl 0xf00d
[23:32] <Laurenceb> hehe
[23:33] <Laurenceb> that should be my new nick
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