highaltitude.log.20080720

[00:09] <phatmonkey> cya
[00:09] <phatmonkey> site's copying across
[00:13] <edmoore> fnoble: ping
[00:15] <phatmonkey> woah, there's a lot of stuff on the wiki
[00:17] <jcoxon> yeah its quite big
[00:17] <phatmonkey> yeah, still copying
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[00:18] <phatmonkey> the server is using quite a lot of power, so it's going to be costing almost £50 a month
[00:18] <phatmonkey> a bit unexpected :/
[00:18] <jcoxon> okay, phatmonkey email me what you need etc
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[00:19] <phatmonkey> well, i'll be getting £30 from another site i'm hosting on there, and hopefully I can get someone else to buy a virtual server
[00:19] <phatmonkey> so it should be ok
[00:19] <jcoxon> okay well i'm sure if needed we can sort something out
[00:19] <phatmonkey> maybe we should start a proper society
[00:20] <phatmonkey> funded by donations
[00:20] <jcoxon> rocketboy was looking into it
[00:20] <jcoxon> i think its important that we do
[00:20] <phatmonkey> yes
[00:28] <phatmonkey> what does ukhas.org.uk do for you?
[00:28] <jcoxon> 123-reg site
[00:28] <phatmonkey> ok
[00:28] <phatmonkey> guess we'll have to be patient
[00:28] <jcoxon> yup
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[00:43] <jcoxon> right i'm off to bed
[00:43] <jcoxon> night all
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[00:49] <Laurenceb> back
[00:49] <Laurenceb> I'll give some donations phatmonkey
[00:50] <phatmonkey> oh cool, thanks
[00:50] <phatmonkey> just a few quid a month would help
[00:50] <phatmonkey> gawd, i'm going to be up late getting everything running
[00:50] <Laurenceb> I think I can afford that
[00:51] <phatmonkey> well, a few quid overall, so if a few people just gave £1 a month or something, we'd be sorted
[00:52] <Laurenceb> yep
[00:52] <phatmonkey> if i manage to sell some virtual machines, there'll be no need
[00:52] <Laurenceb> sounds interesting
[01:06] <phatmonkey> copying's finished!
[01:07] <phatmonkey> i'll get everything working
[01:09] <Laurenceb> coolio
[01:09] <Laurenceb> I'm off, bye
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[01:09] <phatmonkey> night!
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[08:05] <edmoore> hi fnoble : are you up?
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[09:04] <edmoore> morning jcoxon
[09:12] <jcoxon> hey edmoore
[09:12] <edmoore> lo
[09:13] <edmoore> had an eventful morning - awoken at 6 to tale mum to hospital - she has had one single eye swell up
[09:13] <jcoxon> cool, the websites have been transfered
[09:13] <edmoore> t'other is fine
[09:13] <jcoxon> oh no!
[09:13] <jcoxon> the eye itself swelling or everything around it?
[09:13] <edmoore> around it
[09:13] <edmoore> she can't open it
[09:14] <jcoxon> seen the opthalmologist?
[09:14] <edmoore> just the duty doctor
[09:15] <edmoore> was the local hospital, not a big one
[09:15] <jcoxon> allergic reaction then?
[09:15] <edmoore> he's just said take some anti-hists and see if it clears up in a day
[09:15] <jcoxon> yeah
[09:15] <edmoore> yeah i guess it could be, tho she has no known allergies
[09:16] <jcoxon> is the eye itself red?
[09:16] <edmoore> dunno, didn't look
[09:17] <jcoxon> okay, don't worry - i've dropped into my history taking mode
[09:17] <jcoxon> potentially i could have a 'actor'/patient with an eye condition in my exam on tues
[09:17] <jcoxon> :-p
[09:17] <edmoore> lol
[09:17] <edmoore> ok
[09:18] <jcoxon> if it gets worse definitely go back to the doctor
[09:18] <edmoore> yes, she will
[09:19] <edmoore> tho he gave her an anti-bio prescription if it gets worse too
[09:21] <edmoore> jcoxon: does this have any applicability to your sat tracking?
[09:21] <edmoore> http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/math_science/macdoppler.html
[09:21] <jcoxon> sat tracking?
[09:21] <jcoxon> my weather sat?
[09:22] <edmoore> yeah
[09:22] <jcoxon> i don't think so
[09:23] <jcoxon> its more for amsats
[09:23] <edmoore> ok
[09:23] <jcoxon> its a stunning program
[09:23] <edmoore> looks pretty though
[09:24] <edmoore> it's bloody freezing here
[09:24] <edmoore> what's it like where you are?
[09:24] <jcoxon> don't know - haven't gone outside
[09:25] <jcoxon> my flat for some reason is always warm
[09:25] <jcoxon> urgh my gps antenna has broken
[09:25] <jcoxon> need to rebuild it later
[09:26] <edmoore> patch?
[09:26] <jcoxon> i shortened it, its the join thats gone wrong
[09:26] <jcoxon> shorting out the gps module
[09:26] <edmoore> poo
[09:27] <jcoxon> patch yeah
[09:27] <edmoore> it strikes me that most gps antennas are the size that they are because consumer electronics demands them to be that size
[09:27] <edmoore> but it's really far from optimal
[09:28] <jcoxon> what are your plans for the day?
[09:28] <edmoore> breakfast
[09:28] <edmoore> then lunch
[09:29] <edmoore> not sure how much ballooning I'll get done
[09:29] <edmoore> and then back to ox this eve
[09:29] <jcoxon> how many more weeks of ox do you have?
[09:29] <edmoore> 5.5
[09:29] <edmoore> 6, even
[09:30] <jcoxon> wow, quite a bit
[09:30] <edmoore> you?
[09:30] <edmoore> revision?
[09:32] <jcoxon> yup
[09:32] <jcoxon> revision, fix this antenna
[09:32] <jcoxon> watch the ship wrecked final on T4
[09:33] <edmoore> lol
[09:34] <edmoore> I quite want something good to be on telly
[09:34] <edmoore> I'll watch the long way round this evening
[09:34] <edmoore> and top gear
[09:34] <edmoore> that'll e a happy eve
[09:34] <jcoxon> good plan
[09:35] <jcoxon> sent you an email...
[09:37] <edmoore> that old chestnut :)
[09:37] <jcoxon> hehe
[09:37] <jcoxon> long way round reminded me
[09:37] <jcoxon> as the people who got the grant did something very similar
[09:38] <edmoore> it's cool
[09:38] <edmoore> though I loved their planning as much as anything
[09:38] <edmoore> find some old office space and transform it into an HQ
[09:39] <jcoxon> oh yeah - i want one of those
[09:39] <edmoore> disguise it on the outside as a female toilet
[09:39] <edmoore> oh god how I miss photonics
[09:40] <edmoore> I don't think we realised just how lucky we were to have that place
[09:40] <edmoore> our little hidden empire
[09:40] <edmoore> those rogallo experiments were fun too
[09:40] <jcoxon> yeah i found the video recently
[09:41] <jcoxon> still think there is something to be learnt
[09:41] <edmoore> oh for sure. Rogallos are cool
[09:41] <jcoxon> i was amazed that we actually got it working
[09:41] <edmoore> though steve's vid is rocking
[09:41] <jcoxon> i'm looking forward to see HARVe
[09:41] <edmoore> the next revision of badger won't be capable of running it, annoyingly
[09:41] <edmoore> not without lots of extras anyway
[09:42] <edmoore> to add all the inertial stuff would be a bit too much of a jump. a bit second-system-syndrome. But the next version we're working on now should hopefully just do ballooning and do it well, and we can start work on a badger one almost immediately after.
[09:43] <jcoxon> good goo
[09:43] <jcoxon> d
[09:43] <jcoxon> well i've got my future missions planned
[09:43] <jcoxon> uplink, pictures!
[09:43] <edmoore> uplink will be very very exciting
[09:44] <jcoxon> need to get my radio licence
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[09:44] <edmoore> right, I'm going to get some breakfast
[09:44] <edmoore> ttyl
[09:45] <jcoxon> cya
[10:00] <edmoore> back
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[10:39] <jcoxon> phew
[10:39] <jcoxon> i thought my gps might be broken
[10:39] <jcoxon> but its working now
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[10:46] <edmoore> jcoxon: good news
[10:47] <jcoxon> what?
[10:48] <edmoore> your gps is working
[10:48] <jcoxon> oh right
[10:48] <jcoxon> yeah
[10:48] <jcoxon> and now i've got it to transmit the gps string automatically
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[11:29] <Laurenceb> hi all
[11:34] <edmoore> jcoxon: just had command line bash profile masochism
[11:34] <edmoore> non-printing characters ruining my day
[11:34] <edmoore> Laurenceb: MORNING SIR
[11:34] <edmoore> whoops
[11:35] <Laurenceb> I'm SR now?
[11:35] <Laurenceb> *SIR
[11:36] <Laurenceb> edmoore: http://www.captain.at/electronics/active-filter/ any idea what phase lag this will introduce?
[11:38] <edmoore> depends on frequency
[11:38] <Laurenceb> sure
[11:38] <Laurenceb> nvm I'll try to derive the node equations
[11:39] <edmoore> I don't have any numbers
[11:39] <Laurenceb> should be fun
[11:39] <edmoore> see if you can calulate the transfer function
[11:39] <edmoore> then you can sketch a bode plot
[11:39] <Laurenceb> yes
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[19:19] <natrium42> hmm, meteotek08 is looking great
[19:19] <natrium42> very clean
[19:31] <edmoore> natrium42: agreed
[19:31] <edmoore> I am just on their blog right now, infact
[19:31] <natrium42> i wonder when they are launching
[19:31] <edmoore> random asside - what software do you use to generate your plots?
[19:32] <edmoore> Gerard was saying 2 weeks
[19:32] <edmoore> but that's subject to getting the chute system sorted
[19:32] <natrium42> the temp vs time, etc?
[19:32] <edmoore> as their current one is too small - it's pretty hefty at 4kg
[19:32] <edmoore> natrium42: yes
[19:32] <natrium42> i used excel
[19:32] <edmoore> it's certainly a lot more aesthetically pleasing that gnuplot :)
[19:33] <natrium42> gnuplot just needs anti-aliasing
[19:33] <edmoore> yup, but no one seems to have done it.
[19:34] <edmoore> although epstopdf seems to do a nice job, actually.
[19:36] <edmoore> right, high speed shower before top gear
[19:36] <edmoore> bbiab
[19:38] <natrium42> k, later
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[20:03] <edmoore> yo
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[21:08] <edmoore> jcoxon: gah long way round
[21:08] <edmoore> really want to go on an expedition
[21:21] <jcoxon> hey edmoore
[21:21] <edmoore> yo
[21:22] <jcoxon> lets go on an expedition!
[21:22] <edmoore> Where is on the list?
[21:23] <jcoxon> where ever
[21:23] <jcoxon> africa is always fun
[21:24] <edmoore> I'm going to do the spin-the-globe-and-stop-it-with-a-jab-and-go-there-thing
[21:24] <jcoxon> hehe
[21:25] <edmoore> ok here we go
[21:25] <edmoore> the sea.
[21:25] <jcoxon> lets do it
[21:25] <jcoxon> i'm sure the ukhas team need an expedition
[21:26] Action: jcoxon has been running goliath radio for 5 hours now
[21:27] <jcoxon> we could still do the richat structure expedition
[21:27] <edmoore> is it happy?
[21:27] <jcoxon> is it worth resubmitting it?
[21:28] <jcoxon> yeah its really happy
[21:28] <jcoxon> and i've got gnokii on the board now so the gsm is sorted
[21:29] <edmoore> Less wild for sure but I've always had this perverse urge to drive across australia
[21:30] <jcoxon> it just cost so much to get to australia
[21:30] <jcoxon> i'd like to drive across the US
[21:30] <edmoore> oh yeah that'd be awesome too
[21:30] <edmoore> coast to coast
[21:30] <jcoxon> would be fun being english - also we could visit some balloon groups
[21:30] <jcoxon> :-p
[21:30] <edmoore> or around the coast
[21:30] <edmoore> oh yeah!
[21:30] <edmoore> so what, like boston to seattle
[21:30] <edmoore> all the way round
[21:30] <jcoxon> well i might be in the US next year on my elective
[21:31] <jcoxon> down in florida with NASA - though they haven't replied to my email :-(
[21:32] <edmoore> could we co-incide with a launch?
[21:32] <jcoxon> as in a NASA launch
[21:32] <edmoore> yeah
[21:32] <jcoxon> probably
[21:33] <jcoxon> well i'll have to see if they decide to reply to my email
[21:33] <edmoore> I really would be up for charging around the us
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[21:35] <edmoore> jcoxon: yes yes this would be good
[21:35] <jcoxon> :-p
[21:35] <edmoore> hi jwn
[21:36] <edmoore> oh god I still haven't got back to oxfrod
[21:36] <jcoxon> haha
[21:36] <jcoxon> new uk project: http://www.robertharrison.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=25&Itemid=78
[21:37] <edmoore> fantastic
[21:37] <edmoore> name rings a bell...
[21:37] <jcoxon> yeah
[21:37] <jcoxon> twas added to the ukhas site as a member
[21:37] <jcoxon> 'icarus' is a slight forbidden word in ballooning
[21:38] <edmoore> wyzat?
[21:39] <jcoxon> the story of icarus - wings out of wax, got to close to the sun, melted, crashlanded down to earth
[21:40] <edmoore> oh yes sorry
[21:40] <edmoore> i thought you meant nasa had some disasterous program
[21:40] <jcoxon> you off to oxford then?
[21:40] <jcoxon> hehe no
[21:43] <edmoore> jcoxon:
[21:43] <edmoore> sorry
[21:43] <edmoore> yes
[21:43] <edmoore> will head out in about 20 mins i think
[21:43] <jcoxon> cool cool
[21:43] <edmoore> i like cruising at night
[21:43] <edmoore> road journeys are more fun
[21:43] <jcoxon> fair enough
[21:43] <edmoore> and magic fm has more cheese
[21:43] <edmoore> and i had too much red wine at lunch to contemplate leaving at a sensible time
[21:44] <edmoore> I think I will have to get an eeepc if we go on an expedition
[21:44] <jcoxon> hehe
[21:44] <edmoore> seems to be the perfect expedition machine
[21:44] <jcoxon> fair enough
[21:44] <jcoxon> yeah tis cool
[21:45] <jcoxon> we could go and see bill brown
[21:45] <edmoore> exactly
[21:45] <edmoore> that'd be really worth doing
[21:45] <akawaka> driving across the us would be fun
[21:46] <edmoore> Exactly, keep bigging it up
[21:46] <edmoore> though I don't think I need much persuasion
[21:46] <akawaka> i still haven't done it, but i've gone at least halfway
[21:46] <edmoore> right, toast and coffee time
[21:47] <akawaka> getting to seattle is kind of a pain though
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[21:47] <akawaka> if you are going east to west you should head for san francisco
[21:49] <jcoxon> i shall add the US to my expedition list
[21:54] <akawaka> i don't trust projects with fancy webpages
[21:54] <jcoxon> haha
[21:54] <jcoxon> got to be old school html coding
[21:54] <akawaka> hah
[21:54] <akawaka> well, not even that
[21:55] <jcoxon> is my wiki okay? :-p
[21:55] <akawaka> i've just seen so many (software) projects that have cool webpages, with cool concept documents, list of developers with fancy titles, developer diaries, mailing list, wiki, blog, irc channel
[21:55] <akawaka> but absolutely nothing to show for it all, other than a fancy webpage
[21:55] <jcoxon> its the first thing you do
[21:55] <akawaka> wiki is fine cos you have actually done and are doing things:)
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[22:11] Action: icez is looking at the projects that flew while I was gone
[22:11] <icez> pretty interesting stuff with the firefly and natrium's
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[22:22] <jcoxon> gm862 modules are damn difficult to work with
[22:24] <icez> :P
[22:25] <icez> i wish this place wasn't so strict on launching stuff
[22:25] <jcoxon> its not!
[22:25] <jcoxon> the US is better then the UK
[22:25] <jcoxon> you don't even need permission for small payloads
[22:26] <icez> really?
[22:26] <icez> what's small?:P
[22:27] <icez> I know rockets need clearance here
[22:27] <jcoxon> oh i'm not sure let me find it
[22:28] <icez> but rockets go faster and higher, usually
[22:28] <jcoxon> http://vpizza.org/~jmeehan/balloon/
[22:28] <jcoxon> got to Regulations section
[22:28] <jcoxon> pah rockets don't go higher
[22:28] <jcoxon> right time to watch some firefly
[22:28] <jcoxon> :-p
[22:28] <jcoxon> bbl
[22:31] <icez> :P
[22:31] <jcoxon> (thats the TV show)
[22:31] <jcoxon> hehe
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[22:37] <Laurenceb> hi all
[23:15] <akawaka> yeah, limited balloon restrictions
[23:15] <akawaka> and no radio height restrictions
[23:15] <akawaka> oh
[23:15] <akawaka> and the streets are paved with gold
[23:22] <jcoxon> hehe
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