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[00:04] <Laurenceb> hi
[00:04] Action: Laurenceb loads up nasa tv
[00:04] <edmoore> #space
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[01:04] <Laurenceb> why is space full of sexists/racists :-(
[01:04] <Laurenceb> thats #space not space in general :P
[01:18] <Laurenceb> edmoore: that FFT display during re-entry reminded me of ballooning :P
[01:18] <edmoore> lol, yeah :)
[01:18] <edmoore> they just have more money
[01:18] <Laurenceb> it looked pretty similar
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[01:21] <edmoore> night Laurenceb
[01:21] <edmoore> off to bed
[01:21] <edmoore> will see pics in the morn
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[01:21] <natrium42> bah
[01:21] <Laurenceb> omg the people on there are mad
[01:21] <natrium42> Laurenceb, you are going to stay, right? :)
[01:22] <Laurenceb> for a while
[01:23] <Laurenceb> I'll hear about mars whilst revising martian climate dynamics :D
[01:23] <natrium42> hehe
[01:28] <Laurenceb> whatching nasa tv with comments on space is hilarious
[01:42] <furan> heh
[01:44] <furan> I'm watching the science channel
[01:45] <furan> and the nasa one
[01:45] <furan> back and forth
[01:45] <furan> it's interesting that their control center is all based on amortized technology now
[01:45] <Laurenceb> amortized?
[01:55] <furan> well just simple common stuff
[01:55] <furan> rather than custom stuff for them
[02:34] <akawaka> yeah, i was there a few weeks ago
[02:34] <akawaka> just pcs
[02:34] <akawaka> one of the guys was checking his gmail
[02:47] <furan> heh
[02:57] <akawaka> nasa appear to have perfected martian probes and man hugs
[02:57] <akawaka> two great achievements
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[03:01] <furan> heh
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[17:04] <jcoxon> hey all
[17:08] <edmoore> hi jcoxon
[17:08] <edmoore> wow, it's filled up here
[17:08] <edmoore> hi natrium42
[17:08] <natrium42> hi
[17:08] <edmoore> jcoxon: back in london?
[17:08] <akawaka> morning
[17:08] <edmoore> natrium42: how's it going?
[17:08] <natrium42> pretty good, you?
[17:08] <edmoore> morning akawaka
[17:09] <jcoxon> yup, i've returned back to the big smoke
[17:09] <edmoore> not bad. Half-revising. It's such a soul-sucking experience
[17:09] <edmoore> akawaka: just to clear up all my confusion - what timezone are you in?
[17:09] <akawaka> pacific
[17:09] <akawaka> its 9am here
[17:09] <edmoore> so it's..... 8.09am?
[17:10] <edmoore> oh right
[17:10] <edmoore> whoops
[17:10] <edmoore> oh yeah
[17:10] <edmoore> 5 - 8 = 9
[17:10] <edmoore> in base 12
[17:10] Action: natrium42 is hungry
[17:10] <akawaka> yeah, but it changes with daylight saving too
[17:10] <edmoore> yeah - accounted for that
[17:10] <akawaka> confuses me all the time when i'm talking to my parents in ireland
[17:10] <edmoore> i had to do all the calcs to work out when phoenix was doing stuff :)
[17:10] <natrium42> omg, got an email "Phoenix, and YOU are on Mars!"
[17:10] <natrium42> i forgot that i signed up for that DVD
[17:10] <natrium42> :D
[17:10] <edmoore> haha
[17:11] <akawaka> its amazing that after 8 years i can still ask my parents "what time is it there?"
[17:11] <edmoore> akawaka: so are you irish by birth?
[17:11] <natrium42> by birth and calling!
[17:11] <akawaka> yeah, lived there until i was 20
[17:11] <edmoore> lol
[17:12] <edmoore> cool
[17:12] <akawaka> but you wouldn't know it if you heard me now
[17:12] <edmoore> what took you west?
[17:13] <akawaka> got one of those J1 summer work visas, planning on working construction or something out here but ended up landing a job at a videogame company
[17:13] <edmoore> awesome
[17:13] <edmoore> jcoxon: did you suprise everyone then?
[17:14] <jcoxon> yup
[17:14] <jcoxon> turned out really well
[17:14] <jcoxon> though i did end up in Life last night
[17:14] <jcoxon> urgh
[17:14] <jcoxon> that place is really crap
[17:14] <edmoore> it's been refurbished
[17:14] <edmoore> although everything is in the same position
[17:14] <edmoore> which i guess means it's been repainted
[17:15] <edmoore> however, air-con works at last so no sweat dripping off the ceiling
[17:15] <jcoxon> it was a little bit townie last night
[17:15] <akawaka> salty beer
[17:15] <edmoore> jcoxon: saturday night
[17:15] <edmoore> always is
[17:15] <edmoore> akawaka: don't
[17:15] <edmoore> has actually happened to me
[17:16] <edmoore> still makes me wretch remembering the taste
[17:16] <jcoxon> sunday
[17:16] <akawaka> edmoore: been there too
[17:18] <jcoxon> bbiab
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[17:19] <edmoore> akawaka: sweat beer is one of those things they should uninvent
[17:21] <edmoore> akawaka: so I've not asked for a while - have you a payload under construction?
[17:22] <akawaka> yeah, working on a few things
[17:23] <akawaka> right now we're planning on having a SD400 digital still camera, aprs transmitter, HF morse transmitter and two webcams maybe transmitting slow scan tv
[17:23] <edmoore> awesome :)
[17:23] <akawaka> johan found a linux based board on ebay
[17:24] <akawaka> think it was a router or a nas thing
[17:26] <akawaka> lot of stuff, we'll see what actually flies
[17:26] <akawaka> excited about the hf transmitter since i built it
[17:26] <edmoore> yeah it's often the way. We've had large boxes of assorted crap lying around for ages
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[17:26] <edmoore> trying to bolt it all together into something that works
[17:27] <akawaka> yeah, its so much different stuff i think we'll put the gps and the aprs transmitter on its own separate power supply
[17:27] <akawaka> just to make sure its isolated
[17:28] <edmoore> yeah that's probs a good idea
[17:28] <edmoore> I think we're risking it which is potentially not a good idea, but then it's only a 10mW Tx
[17:31] <edmoore> anyone here know of a squashy-but-stiff (i.e. the stiff end of squashy, but not actually stiff) low density open-cell foam?
[17:31] <edmoore> it's for impact blocks for the payload
[17:37] <edmoore> I'll keep looking. akawaka: do you have any pics of the HF?
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[17:48] <edmoore> wb jcoxon
[17:48] <jcoxon> so how was the landing?
[17:49] <edmoore> pretty cool
[17:49] <edmoore> they really need to stick a video camera in these things one of these days
[17:49] <edmoore> and send it back gradually
[17:49] <jcoxon> yeah, i guess they are focusing on getting it to land
[17:49] <jcoxon> 50% success rate
[17:50] <edmoore> I mean from an engineering POV seeing the deployment sequence in action would be of great benefit
[17:50] <jcoxon> true
[17:51] <edmoore> the guys that did the Huygens landing edl lamented that fact that their entire feedback on how their project performed was from the fact that it didn't crash and a 1Hz accelerometer
[17:52] <jcoxon> yeah
[17:53] <jcoxon> urgh i have to drive down to canterbury in a bit
[17:53] <edmoore> but yeah, amazing that it worked
[17:54] <edmoore> lol
[17:54] <jcoxon> nonstop fun
[17:54] <jcoxon> leaving at 7
[17:54] <edmoore> another week in the styx
[17:54] <jcoxon> well only 4 days
[17:54] <jcoxon> here is a question
[17:55] <edmoore> shoot
[17:55] <jcoxon> just for fun
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[17:55] <jcoxon> so
[17:55] <jcoxon> if nasa said here is a delta rocket
[17:55] <jcoxon> go make a rover to go to the moon
[17:55] <jcoxon> how easy/difficult?
[17:56] <jcoxon> i guess we'd need hardened components
[17:57] <edmoore> nah
[17:57] <edmoore> you don't really
[17:58] <edmoore> well it depends
[17:58] <edmoore> AVRs and the like are not fine pitch silicon
[17:59] <edmoore> which is actually one of the big things that makes stuff susceptible to radiation - the really brand spanking new transistors of super gleaming 60nm technology take a lot less energy from a stray particle to switch their state
[17:59] <edmoore> simple stuff isn't made with such high tech procresses and is a bit more robust in that respect
[17:59] <edmoore> so I guess it wouldn't be unduly difficult
[17:59] <jcoxon> imagine having a rover on the moon
[17:59] <jcoxon> how cool would that be
[17:59] <edmoore> I think getting clogged up with moon dust would be your downfall
[18:00] <jcoxon> oh well
[18:00] <edmoore> but it would be awesome
[18:00] <edmoore> just a camera platofrm to take piccies of earth would excite me hugely
[18:01] <jcoxon> ooooo
[18:01] <jcoxon> maybe not a rover but just a lander
[18:02] <edmoore> yeah
[18:02] <edmoore> that would be cool
[18:02] <edmoore> landing on the moon is realtively easy
[18:02] <edmoore> compared to mars, anyway
[18:03] <jcoxon> from here to the moon its just getting off the earth
[18:04] <edmoore> well, landing is non-trivial.... but yeah, easier
[18:04] <edmoore> you've still got to break out of orbit and land. but no pesky atosphere to deal with, and not much gravity to fight against
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[18:04] <jcoxon> lets go for a spherical ball and go for a balistic landing
[18:05] <jcoxon> haha
[18:05] <edmoore> eeeeeeek
[18:05] <Hiena> Good evening!
[18:06] <edmoore> hello!
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[18:10] <jcoxon> you know the 50% sucess rate
[18:10] <jcoxon> makes me feel better
[18:11] <edmoore> :D
[18:14] <edmoore> bbiab
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[19:36] <akawaka> man
[19:37] <akawaka> writing PIC code in C is so much simpler than assembly
[19:37] <akawaka> don't know why I didn't do this before
[19:42] <Laurenceb> haha
[19:42] <Laurenceb> I've only written about two assembly programs ever
[19:43] <Laurenceb> I guess you can do cool stuff like re-enterative code or whatever its called
[19:43] <Laurenceb> but not on a uC
[19:45] <Laurenceb> now that I'm rich I'm thinking of building an insanely powerful pc....
[19:45] <Laurenceb> is it best to go with pci express?
[19:48] <Hiena> Yeah. Few years, and when your insanely powerfull pc will be just the entry level, you will be still able to buy a new stuff for it. ;)
[19:48] <Laurenceb> lol
[19:49] <Laurenceb> hmm whats a good processor?
[19:49] <Laurenceb> is it worth getting a multi core?
[19:50] <Hiena> Only if your softwares support it.
[19:50] <Laurenceb> hmm I might get a dual core...
[19:50] <Laurenceb> so, my plan is two 30'' monitors, 1TB hard drive, 4
[19:50] <Laurenceb> 4GB ram
[19:51] <Hiena> Laurenceb, did you inherits?
[19:51] <Laurenceb> no
[19:51] <Laurenceb> I've just been looking at prices ect
[19:52] <Laurenceb> its reasonably affordable to build something like that
[19:52] <Laurenceb> only about twice the price of a new mac :P
[19:52] <Hiena> 30" monitor is useless, except, if you are watching videos. Good 21 or 24" is enough for the most application. If you use a lot of cad, go for the double or triple head settings.
[19:53] <Laurenceb> yes, maybe that would be an overkill :D
[19:55] <Hiena> I used triplehead settings years long, with a simple PCI cards, and it's unbeatable for the video editing, programing or designing.
[19:55] <Laurenceb> yes
[19:55] <Laurenceb> oh well I'll see what I can afford
[20:01] <Hiena> The single monitor's greatest disadvantage it's flat surface. If you want to see the whole surface, you have to put it at least 2m away. If you use three reasonably small monitor (17"), you could make an arc, which is mor suitable for a human vision.
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[20:22] <edmoore> 30" monitor was the best increase in productivity I've ever had
[20:22] <edmoore> ever
[20:22] <edmoore> I don't actually own one, but got to use one for a few weeks
[20:22] <edmoore> it's quite brilliant
[20:23] <edmoore> never made PCB design easier
[20:23] <edmoore> http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/phoenix/images/press/PHX_Lander.html
[20:26] <Laurenceb> nice
[20:27] <Laurenceb> thats a pretty impressive first
[20:28] <natrium42> yeah, it's very awesome
[20:30] <edmoore> amazing
[20:31] <natrium42> did they locate it using radio signal?
[20:31] <edmoore> I think they knew where they should be looking
[20:32] <natrium42> or just pointed the camera at the direction they expected phoenix to be?
[20:32] <edmoore> also it's a fairly obscene enlargement
[20:32] <natrium42> right, but the FOV is probably not that big
[20:32] <edmoore> sure
[20:34] <akawaka> yeah, they just made predictions
[20:34] <edmoore> I would have though the sattelite would have a limited ability to adjust its attitude to track automatically
[20:34] <akawaka> they weren't very confident about catching it
[20:34] <natrium42> they pointed it to it anyway to receive radio
[20:34] <natrium42> my guess is the antenna has the same direction as the camera
[20:35] <Laurenceb> IIRC HiRise is fully aimable
[20:35] <akawaka> it is very aimable
[20:36] <akawaka> but it has a tiny fov
[20:36] <edmoore> could they point it at earth in the name of fun?
[20:36] <Laurenceb> so it can aim at anything over an field of about 180 degrees or more
[20:36] <akawaka> http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/earthmoon.php
[20:36] <natrium42> ah
[20:37] <edmoore> akawaka: amazing
[20:37] <edmoore> thank you :)
[20:37] <edmoore> there's my new wallpaper
[20:41] <natrium42> your screen res is small :P
[20:43] <natrium42> (or you used a black backdrop...)
[20:43] <akawaka> natrium42: did you use the canon camera battery or did you power it with your own power supply?
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[20:43] <natrium42> own ps
[20:43] <edmoore> natrium42: blew it up
[20:53] <akawaka> oh, the canons just take 5v
[20:53] <akawaka> thought i'd have to give it the weird battery voltage
[20:54] <natrium42> yah, some take 3V though
[20:54] <natrium42> but i successfully powered 4.3V canon with 5V
[20:54] <natrium42> :D
[21:01] <akawaka> where did you place the camera in your balloon, btw?
[21:04] <natrium42> onto the side so that it could look up, sideways or down
[21:04] <natrium42> you can kinda see it in this video --> http://www.vimeo.com/359554?pg=embed&sec=359554
[21:05] <natrium42> at the beginning
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[21:06] <natrium42> it was only connected to the single standard servo too :D
[21:06] <natrium42> nothing holding it on the other side
[21:07] <akawaka> so it was pretty exposed?
[21:19] <edmoore> I love the hot glue sealing :)
[21:20] <akawaka> i only recently discovered hot glue
[21:20] <akawaka> its maybe even more useful than ducttape
[21:21] <edmoore> :O
[21:21] <edmoore> the god of ballooning strikes you down
[21:23] Nick change: edmoore -> Balloon_God
[21:23] Action: Balloon_God strikes akawaka down
[21:23] Nick change: Balloon_God -> edmoore
[21:24] <akawaka> hot glue == golden bull
[21:25] <natrium42> XD
[21:25] <natrium42> hot glue works quite well for styro
[21:26] <akawaka> doesn't melt it?
[21:26] <natrium42> polyurethane is stronger though (e.g. gorilla glue)
[21:26] <natrium42> you need a low temperature glue gun
[21:26] <Laurenceb> I use epoxy for that
[21:26] <natrium42> mine switches between low and high temperature
[21:26] <akawaka> i've got a 5watt one
[21:26] <akawaka> i hate shopping at craft stores
[21:27] <natrium42> i got mine at home depot
[21:27] <akawaka> i'm always in their buying aerosol paint, or resin, glue guns, etc
[21:27] <akawaka> everyone else is buying glitter
[21:27] <natrium42> lol
[21:27] <natrium42> hmm, glitter on a payload
[21:27] <natrium42> would have some style :D
[21:27] <edmoore> that would be awesome
[21:27] <akawaka> fierce
[21:27] <natrium42> you could write the phone number in glitter glue
[21:28] <natrium42> bbl
[21:28] <akawaka> if i wrote my callsign, ki6pfw, i could draw the dot over the 'i' as a heart
[21:28] <edmoore> just show other radio hams
[21:28] <edmoore> Does ham have a gay scene?
[21:29] <akawaka> don't know
[21:29] <Laurenceb> erm what
[21:29] <akawaka> the creepy lonely dude scene seems pretty active
[21:29] <edmoore> yeah....
[21:30] <akawaka> those antennas are like girl repulsion force fields
[21:30] <edmoore> Hi everyone, this is Marc, callsign F4BUL0US
[21:30] <akawaka> CQ girlfriend!
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[21:31] <Laurenceb> lol
[21:32] <edmoore> "Are you on USB or LSB?"
[21:32] <akawaka> hahaha
[21:32] <edmoore> "I swing both ways baby"
[21:32] <edmoore> that's enough of that
[21:32] <akawaka> i stopped listening on the local repeaters after listening to a long blow up doll discussion
[21:33] <edmoore> oh dear
[21:34] <akawaka> the hams you meet of usually very friendly people
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[21:35] <akawaka> i always feel kind of guilty that i don't use it for anything other than balloons
[21:35] <edmoore> Yeah same actually
[21:35] <edmoore> There's a whole culture there
[21:35] <edmoore> ho hum
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[21:45] <Laurenceb> lol esecallum
[21:45] <Laurenceb> I love your comments section natrium42
[21:45] <akawaka> they need to do a better job with the internet
[21:45] <natrium42> haha
[21:46] <Laurenceb> "I live in Alabama and we are fed up of people wasting our money on stupid things like this"
[21:46] <natrium42> i deleted some of his comments
[21:46] <akawaka> most ham knowledge is still lock up in books
[21:46] <akawaka> ham over IP just seems pointless
[21:46] <akawaka> and HAM websites have some of the worst web design in the world
[21:47] <akawaka> its like they learn <html>, <body>, <br> and <blink> and thats it
[21:47] <edmoore> it's all you need!
[21:47] <natrium42> yah, most hams are older people
[21:47] <natrium42> it seems
[21:47] <Laurenceb> haha <blink>
[21:48] <natrium42> did anybody catch todays nasa press conference?
[21:49] <akawaka> no
[21:49] <akawaka> but i was genuinely amazed that my girl got interested enough to watch the nasa tv feed yesterday during the landing
[21:50] <edmoore> keep hold of that'n
[21:52] <akawaka> no shit
[21:52] <natrium42> :)
[21:55] <edmoore> right bbl
[21:55] <edmoore> need to work off that red bull
[22:01] <Laurenceb> haha the comments are so funny
[22:01] <Laurenceb> "For every balloon you send up, God creates 1,000 more terrorists we have to fight."
[22:02] <Laurenceb> proof of why you should never have comments sections on websites
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