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[00:12] <X-Art-X> Hi, Altitude :)
[00:31] <akawaka> Hi!
[00:40] <X-Art-X> One at a time please!
[00:40] <X-Art-X> Sorry I was on a forum.
[00:41] <X-Art-X> akawaka, are you the sound that Pacman makes?
[00:41] <X-Art-X> Have you sent a balloon with expensive equipment into the sky?
[00:43] <X-Art-X> I've got more money than I need, so I'd like to send an embedded computer, GPS,
[00:43] <X-Art-X> Mobile phone, and camera, into the sky, and above the clouds :)
[00:44] <akawaka> sent about $500-600 worth up
[00:44] <X-Art-X> Did you retrieve it?
[00:44] <X-Art-X> Or did a farmer throw it in the bin :D
[00:49] <akawaka> retrieve it
[00:49] <akawaka> http://www.boredgamedeveloper.com/high_altitude/index.php/1_-_Pong
[00:50] <X-Art-X> I'll take a look.
[00:50] <X-Art-X> I have most of mine sorted. I want to use a Sony Playstation Portable as
[00:51] <X-Art-X> the brains of the operation. Can already communicate with a GPS, and a Camera.
[00:51] <X-Art-X> I just got the mobile phone sorted last night.
[00:51] <X-Art-X> Just missing a means of long range communication in case the mobile phone loses signal.
[00:52] <X-Art-X> http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=g0kr7hbN744 <- GPS demo
[00:52] <X-Art-X> http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=F5qIY_eQoFQ <- Infrared control of Pentax Camera Demo
[00:53] <natrium42> hmm, infrared control, that's an interesting idea
[00:53] <akawaka> natrium42: yeah, looked into that
[00:53] <akawaka> X-Art-X: the cell phone is not going to work at altitude
[00:56] Action: natrium42 decides to do a clean install of ubuntu hardy :/
[00:56] <akawaka> X-Art-X: how would you read the gps with the psp?
[00:56] <natrium42> it has a serial port
[00:57] <natrium42> sending a psp up will get you a lot of publicity :)
[00:57] <akawaka> heh
[00:57] <akawaka> didn't realise it had a serial port
[00:57] <natrium42> it's where the headphones plug in
[00:57] <akawaka> thought about using a ds
[00:57] <natrium42> ds has spi, but not uart...
[00:58] <natrium42> but you can use bit banging technique to read gps
[00:58] <akawaka> yeah
[00:58] <natrium42> have you done any PSP dev? or just PS3?
[00:59] <X-Art-X> Hang on a sec.
[00:59] <akawaka> ps2, gc, xbox, wii, 360 and ps3
[00:59] <akawaka> no handhelds
[00:59] <X-Art-X> I was looking at your pictures
[00:59] <natrium42> aah, wow
[00:59] <natrium42> many consoles :)
[00:59] <akawaka> yeah, well its my day job:)
[01:00] <X-Art-X> The PSP has a serial port.
[01:00] <natrium42> X-Art-X, is your name Art Vandelay? :P
[01:00] <akawaka> haha
[01:00] <X-Art-X> Yes, but not really ;)
[01:00] <X-Art-X> It's Venderlet, get it right!
[01:00] <natrium42> XD
[01:01] <X-Art-X> Don't know which mssgs are talking to me.
[01:01] <X-Art-X> I'm a PSP dev.
[01:01] <X-Art-X> and pic micros.
[01:01] <X-Art-X> Sometimes used both together.
[01:01] <X-Art-X> Like this time.
[01:01] <akawaka> good idea
[01:02] <X-Art-X> What happend to your camera
[01:02] <X-Art-X> ?
[01:02] <akawaka> battery died i think
[01:02] <X-Art-X> To stop it taking photos at 20,000?
[01:02] <X-Art-X> ok
[01:02] <X-Art-X> I'm using a lithium pack for all devices including the PSP.
[01:03] <X-Art-X> I know the phone won't have many chances to call.
[01:03] <akawaka> yeah, we were stupid with the camera batteries
[01:03] <X-Art-X> Still looking for a long range communication device.
[01:03] <akawaka> AA e2 energizers seem to be the batteries of choice for ballooning
[01:03] <X-Art-X> lol.
[01:03] <akawaka> X-Art-X: you could buy a 900mhz radio modem
[01:03] <akawaka> or get your ham license
[01:04] <X-Art-X> There are lithium Energisers $12 AU foir a pack of two.
[01:04] <akawaka> The e2's have a good power to weight ratio
[01:04] <X-Art-X> Ah, ok.
[01:04] <X-Art-X> I might have to look at a radio modem.
[01:04] <akawaka> i bought 80 of them on ebay:)
[01:05] <akawaka> natrium42 used one
[01:05] <X-Art-X> 80 radio modems? :D 80 Batteries!
[01:05] <akawaka> not sure what the radio restrictions are like in au, probably like the uk
[01:05] <natrium42> unfortunately not with a yagi antenna
[01:05] <akawaka> batteries!:)
[01:05] <X-Art-X> You got a site natrium?
[01:05] <natrium42> natrium42.com/halo
[01:06] <X-Art-X> I'll take a look.
[01:06] <X-Art-X> Here's mine:
[01:06] <X-Art-X> http://www.freewebs.com/defxev/
[01:06] <X-Art-X> No balooning yet, but soon!
[01:06] <natrium42> excellent :)
[01:07] <X-Art-X> Lol @ natrium!
[01:07] <X-Art-X> Where have I seen that site before?
[01:07] <X-Art-X> YOu were they guy that put me onto this chatroom.
[01:07] <akawaka> i need to squeeze a pic based sample player inside of a tiny little figurine for my girl
[01:07] <X-Art-X> easy.
[01:08] <natrium42> X-Art-X, hehe, welcome aboard
[01:08] <X-Art-X> To you want it to scare the hell out of her?
[01:08] <akawaka> X-Art-X: what are you using for memory?
[01:08] <X-Art-X> are there any other sites with photos?
[01:08] <X-Art-X> oops
[01:08] <X-Art-X> for the sample player?
[01:09] <X-Art-X> 24LC256 EEPROM
[01:09] <akawaka> yeah
[01:09] <X-Art-X> That plays about four times the length of what you hear in the demos.
[01:10] <X-Art-X> You can use many of them on an I2C bus though
[01:10] <X-Art-X> $5 each in Australia.
[01:11] <natrium42> <X-Art-X> are there any other sites with photos? <-- check wiki.ukhas.org.uk
[01:11] <akawaka> using pwm for the audio?
[01:11] <edmoore> cuspaceflight.co.uk
[01:11] <edmoore> about > pictures
[01:11] <edmoore> (shameless plug)
[01:12] <X-Art-X> using pwm for the audio? <- No, it's like a 1 bit digital stream.
[01:12] <X-Art-X> I give the card to Mum tomorrow!
[01:12] <X-Art-X> :D
[01:13] <X-Art-X> The talking one.
[01:13] <X-Art-X> Having a look at pics edmoore
[01:14] <edmoore> we have quite a few more, and vids, that should really be put up there. I'll get the web person to stick them up
[01:14] <edmoore> http://www.eng.cam.ac.uk/photocomp/index_08.shtml
[01:16] <fnoble> hello ed
[01:16] <fnoble> hows things?
[01:17] <edmoore> not bad, tho I'm about to bed
[01:17] <Tigga> yay
[01:17] <edmoore> how was supper?
[01:17] <Tigga> finished exams :D:D:D
[01:17] <fnoble> good :)
[01:17] <edmoore> I didn't realise the grass by the millpond seems to attract all of cambridge's underage drinkers
[01:17] <fnoble> heh
[01:17] <fnoble> seems so
[01:18] <fnoble> Tigga: good for you :p i still have 3 weeks before mine start
[01:18] <Tigga> lazy git
[01:18] <edmoore> right, bed
[01:18] <edmoore> g'night
[01:18] <fnoble> night
[01:18] <Tigga> night
[01:18] <fnoble> will have to meet for a chat this w/e
[01:19] <edmoore> yup
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[01:19] <X-Art-X> Any suggestions for particular models of radio modem?
[01:19] <X-Art-X> Do you just start talking RS232 to it?
[01:19] <X-Art-X> ans recieve RS232 at the other end?
[01:20] <akawaka> http://www.radiometrix.co.uk/dsheets/uhx1.pdf
[01:21] <X-Art-X> thanks.
[01:21] <fnoble> anyone know about potting compounds for RF stuff?
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[01:22] <natrium42> \\o/ furan
[01:22] <furan> anyone know of a good website for finding the closest wind station/balloon launch site to a certain set of coords
[01:22] <furan> howdy
[01:23] <natrium42> furan's group is launching a balloon with glider this weekend
[01:23] <natrium42> http://www.hackerbotlabs.com/
[01:23] <akawaka> awesome
[01:24] <furan> 2 balloons, one with glider
[01:24] <furan> looking at www.stormchaser.niu.edu/upper.txgt
[01:24] <furan> .txt even
[01:24] <furan> trying to find something closer to 47.6853, -119.5137
[01:25] <furan> hey natrium where was your site with results
[01:25] <natrium42> are you over the weight limit?
[01:25] <natrium42> natrium42.com/halo
[01:25] <furan> I don't think so
[01:25] <furan> I just got involved last night out of coincidence of wanting to check out a hacker space and they sucked me in
[01:25] <furan> super fun though
[01:26] <furan> they can only drop the glider from 400 or so feet due to faa regs
[01:27] <natrium42> in canada, you can launch without permission if you keep helium volume down to 115 cu ft
[01:27] <furan> huh
[01:27] <akawaka> hacker space?
[01:27] <furan> lots of geeks with tools and ideas
[01:28] <akawaka> some kind of local workshop?
[01:28] <furan> sort of yeah
[01:28] <furan> not public
[01:28] <akawaka> gotta find me something like that in la
[01:32] <furan> anywho any ideas as to a better site for atmospheric sounding lookup close to a location?
[01:33] <akawaka> http://nearspaceventures.com/w3Baltrak/htdocs/stationlist.html
[01:33] <akawaka> ?
[01:33] <akawaka> i didn't see any big difference between sites within 100 miles of each other
[01:34] <furan> hmm
[01:34] <furan> EAT looks great
[01:34] Action: Laurenceb is wasted
[01:36] <Laurenceb> glider?
[01:38] <X-Art-X> I'm off guys, thanks for the welcome,
[01:38] <X-Art-X> Will definitely be back when I get the phone and radio stuff better developed
[01:38] <X-Art-X> or before :)
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[01:39] <natrium42> furan, the elphel cam looks interesting
[01:41] <natrium42> i have been using older canons for remote capture capability over usb
[01:42] <akawaka> how old do they have to be
[01:43] <natrium42> about one year
[01:44] <natrium42> http://rafb.net/p/zmA2N482.html
[01:45] <natrium42> Canon PowerShot S80 is nice (wide angle lens)
[01:45] <natrium42> oh, btw, that list is for all supported hi-speed usb 2.0 cameras
[01:46] <natrium42> older usb 1.1 cameras also work
[01:48] <Laurenceb> wow these guys look pretty serious
[01:49] <natrium42> bbl
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[01:53] <Laurenceb> theres no info on their IMU code :(
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[09:14] <jcoxon> morning edmoore
[09:14] <edmoore> morning jcoxon!
[09:14] <edmoore> how's it going?
[09:14] <jcoxon> good thanks, i have to go to our common room to get wifi reception though
[09:14] <jcoxon> wow, looking at the logs it was a busy night chatting
[09:15] <edmoore> yeah I came to it after it was all over
[09:15] <edmoore> but yeah, impressive
[09:15] <edmoore> natrium netted another punter with his website
[09:15] <jcoxon> :-)
[09:16] <jcoxon> when are the exams?
[09:16] <edmoore> june 2nd
[09:16] <edmoore> untill 6th
[09:16] <jcoxon> then freedom
[09:18] <edmoore> yep!
[09:18] <edmoore> a summer of hardcore engineering
[09:18] <jcoxon> haha
[09:18] <jcoxon> are you working then?
[09:18] <jcoxon> this summer that is
[09:19] <edmoore> I'm working for Vorticity this summer
[09:19] <edmoore> but also doing a lot of balloons
[09:19] <edmoore> and rockets
[09:19] <jcoxon> cool
[09:19] <jcoxon> i'm stuck here till august
[09:19] <jcoxon> then exams
[09:19] <jcoxon> then about 4 weeks off
[09:19] <edmoore> aaaaargh
[09:19] <jcoxon> then i start again
[09:19] <edmoore> oh that's not so bad
[09:21] <jcoxon> oooo descent systems
[09:22] <edmoore> yep
[09:22] <edmoore> they did huygens of cassini huygens
[09:22] <edmoore> and various mars landers
[09:22] <jcoxon> future job?
[09:23] <edmoore> so I'm going to glean as much info as possible on reliable parachute deployment and recovery stsems
[09:23] <edmoore> We'll see how the summer goes!
[09:23] <jcoxon> :-)
[09:24] <jcoxon> i'm tempted for my elective next year to go and work for NASA
[09:25] <edmoore> what's an elective?
[09:25] <jcoxon> where you go away for 8 weeks to do stuff in other hospitals etc
[09:25] <jcoxon> lots of people go to africa to save the world
[09:26] <jcoxon> i'm quite tempted to do that
[09:26] <edmoore> does it have to be medical?
[09:26] <jcoxon> yup
[09:26] <jcoxon> it would be in their medical team
[09:28] <edmoore> awesome :)
[09:28] <edmoore> we need some ukhas caps
[09:28] <edmoore> has jatkins been around recently?
[09:29] <jcoxon> indeed we do need some caps
[09:29] <jcoxon> and no he hasn't
[09:29] <jcoxon> pourquoi
[09:29] <jcoxon> ?
[09:29] <edmoore> just wondering
[09:29] <edmoore> hope he hasn't lost heart
[09:30] <jcoxon> i think he might have exams
[09:31] <edmoore> poor bugger
[09:32] <edmoore> jimbob, the design method/style of cubesats looks like it might have some applicability to balloon payload design
[09:32] <jcoxon> oh i agree
[09:34] <edmoore> need to find a friendly laser cutter to chop up pretty bits of aluminium
[09:34] <jcoxon> how to apply them would be the question
[09:34] <jcoxon> that would be nice
[09:34] <edmoore> well, you have 'U' units
[09:35] <edmoore> 1U, 2U, 3U
[09:35] <edmoore> where 1U is a 10 x 10 x 10 cube
[09:35] <edmoore> 2U is 20 x 10 x 10
[09:35] <edmoore> etc etc
[09:35] <edmoore> so it would be perhaps a way to construct trains
[09:36] <jcoxon> so people would build to a set spec
[09:36] <edmoore> i.e. you slot your 1U block onto another one
[09:36] <edmoore> yeah
[09:36] <edmoore> you could have an slr camera in one block
[09:36] <edmoore> the top one would be the parachute deployments system, cutdowns, gps antennas etc
[09:36] <jcoxon> its a bit like how doug and i are building haps-1
[09:36] <edmoore> the bottom one could be flight computer and radiop
[09:36] <jcoxon> we have 2 units
[09:37] <jcoxon> something to browse: http://wiki.ukhas.org.uk/_media/websitestats.pdf?id=start&cache=cache
[09:38] <edmoore> that's a really nicely produced pdf
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[09:38] <jcoxon> good old google analytics
[09:38] <edmoore> i love the canada one
[09:38] <edmoore> natrium flying the flag
[09:38] <edmoore> for the palest of pale greens
[09:39] <edmoore> what a suprise to see which sites they've been visiting
[09:40] <edmoore> (direct) ((none)) is presumably here?
[09:40] <jcoxon> hehe
[09:40] <jcoxon> its if they've stuck the url straight in
[09:40] <jcoxon> so either through a bookmakr
[09:40] <jcoxon> or off here
[09:41] <edmoore> i know which one I'm going for...
[09:41] <jcoxon> hehe
[09:42] <edmoore> do you have any idea what camera doug wants to stick on?
[09:42] <jcoxon> yup
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[09:42] <jcoxon> A550s
[09:43] <jcoxon> actually i think its 2 of them
[09:43] <edmoore> very nice :)
[09:44] <jcoxon> i've been debating whether to have my gps log to the ram drive and then rotate the logs on to the flash
[09:44] <jcoxon> to save it from flash death
[09:44] <edmoore> jetstream is lovely right now
[09:44] <jcoxon> however if it loses power we'd lose the last say minute of logs
[09:44] <edmoore> yeah
[09:44] <edmoore> well that's ok isn't it?
[09:44] <edmoore> it's more ok than the current risk anyway
[09:45] <jcoxon> yeah i guess so
[09:45] <edmoore> brb 1 min
[09:45] <jcoxon> np
[09:50] <edmoore> bk
[09:50] <edmoore> how did that take five minutes !?
[09:51] <jcoxon> so ukhas caps?
[09:52] <edmoore> and aviators
[09:52] <edmoore> your look convinced me
[09:52] <jcoxon> haha
[09:52] <edmoore> and preferably a texan drawl
[09:52] <jcoxon> hehe i met a texan demolitions expert on thurs
[09:52] <jcoxon> he was a legend
[09:53] <edmoore> :)
[09:53] <edmoore> but yeah, caps would be cool
[09:53] <edmoore> or cowboy hats
[09:53] <jcoxon> no cowboy hats
[09:54] <edmoore> ok
[09:54] <edmoore> caps
[09:54] <jcoxon> we aren't that cool
[09:54] <jcoxon> and only one person could have the cowboy hat
[09:54] <jcoxon> perhaps the launch operator
[09:54] <jcoxon> its a sign of a leader
[09:55] <edmoore> high vis kackets
[09:55] <jcoxon> jump suits
[09:55] <edmoore> jump suits and cowboy hats
[09:55] <jcoxon> hehe
[09:56] <jcoxon> perhaps we should start at the bottom
[09:56] <jcoxon> caps
[09:56] <edmoore> ok
[09:56] <edmoore> well we have a logo
[09:57] <jcoxon> which one?
[09:57] <edmoore> ok, we need to decide on a logo then
[09:58] <jcoxon> my cap has a circular mission badge
[09:58] <edmoore> mission badges are fun
[09:58] <jcoxon> but just a ukhas one
[09:58] <jcoxon> perhaps have EARs on it as well
[10:00] <edmoore> I like ears
[10:01] <jcoxon> http://www.badgerbadges.co.uk/?gclid=CJaiwYHJm5MCFRaTMAoddjkCrQ
[10:02] <jcoxon> i'll do some work and whip up a UKHAS mission badge
[10:03] <edmoore> awesome :)
[10:03] <jcoxon> ooooo i've got leopard now
[10:03] <jcoxon> i can use inkscape
[10:04] <edmoore> it's awesome isn't it?
[10:04] <jcoxon> i'm enjoying the speed and hard drive space
[10:04] <jcoxon> i couldn't use inkscape as i didnt have X11 as i deleted it to free space
[10:05] <edmoore> are you doing a custom linux on dual boot?
[10:05] <jcoxon> no
[10:05] <jcoxon> xquartz
[10:05] <jcoxon> no dual boots on here
[10:05] <edmoore> h'ok
[10:05] <jcoxon> i just ssh into my linux server when i need linux stuff
[10:05] <edmoore> oh yeah good point
[10:06] <jcoxon> though i might shut that down for a bit as i'm really not using it
[10:09] <jcoxon> oops
[10:09] <jcoxon> now i'm pushing the internet connection
[10:09] <jcoxon> too much downloading
[10:09] <edmoore> is it complaining?
[10:10] <jcoxon> nah, just the second download is being slow
[10:11] <jcoxon> oh i'll do it another time
[10:11] <jcoxon> right i'm off
[10:11] <jcoxon> have a good day
[10:11] <jcoxon> cya
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[13:46] <Laurenceb> furan: your from "hackerbotlabs" ?
[13:49] <edmoore> hi X-Art-X
[13:49] <Laurenceb> hi edmoore
[13:49] <Laurenceb> I'll send off that sparkfun order later today
[13:49] <edmoore> cool, ty
[13:49] <edmoore> I'd better make up an ftdi cable
[13:50] <Laurenceb> furan: the glider looks very interesting
[13:50] <Laurenceb> edmoore: using dip ftdi chip or a board?
[13:50] <edmoore> chip
[13:50] <edmoore> bought a bunch from sf a while back for stock
[13:50] <Laurenceb> neat, dip ?
[13:51] <edmoore> soic something-or-other
[13:51] <edmoore> 16?18? I forget
[13:51] <Laurenceb> do you have a breakout board for it?
[13:51] <edmoore> nope
[13:51] <Laurenceb> hardcore :P
[13:51] <X-Art-X> Hi Guys, I'm logging overnight to see what your conversations look like :D
[13:51] <X-Art-X> Don't go drawing ASCII pictures in my logs now!
[13:51] <edmoore> but dead bug and duck tape will be fine for this - it's only a handful of components
[13:51] <Laurenceb> yes, I've done that a few times
[13:52] <edmoore> X-Art-X: all the convos here are logged by zeusbot
[13:52] <X-Art-X> Night nihgt :)and Artbot.
[13:53] <Laurenceb> bye
[13:53] <X-Art-X> cya
[13:53] Action: Laurenceb gets back to revising
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[13:59] <edmoore> hi Steve
[13:59] <RocketBoy> avast there shipmate
[13:59] <RocketBoy> thanks for the email
[14:00] <edmoore> no probs!
[14:01] <RocketBoy> oops - my daughter has just turned up BBL
[14:01] <edmoore> cya
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[15:54] <Laurenceb> hi ed
[16:05] <edmoore> hi Laurenceb
[16:24] <fnoble> hello all
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[17:58] <Laurenceb> hmm we have visits from nigeria
[17:59] <Laurenceb> have to watch out for spam
[18:00] <Hiena> Ehem...
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[18:26] <Laurenceb> hi jcoxon
[18:27] <jcoxon> hey Laurenceb
[18:27] <Laurenceb> interesting stats
[18:27] <jcoxon> yeah they are
[18:27] <Laurenceb> we have visitors from all over the world :D
[18:27] <jcoxon> yup
[18:29] <jcoxon> google analytics is really cool
[18:29] <jcoxon> lots of nice graphs
[18:30] <Laurenceb> how do you run it?
[18:30] <Laurenceb> is it installed on phatmonkeys server?
[18:30] <jcoxon> oh there is some script embedded
[18:30] <jcoxon> the code is in the wiki template, i got him to put it in
[18:31] <Laurenceb> ah
[18:31] <jcoxon> i also have it on my wiki
[18:32] <Laurenceb> interesting
[18:32] <Laurenceb> I'm bored :-(
[18:32] <jcoxon> do some revision
[18:32] <jcoxon> :-p
[18:32] <Laurenceb> basically I'm revising a set of lecture notes that the lecturer hopes to publish as a book
[18:33] <Laurenceb> i.e. its excessively verbose and littered with grammar errors
[18:33] <Laurenceb> and I'm being forced to proofread it :-/
[18:35] <jcoxon> haha
[18:36] <Laurenceb> I'm still a bit hung over... went along to a party with some comp sci people
[18:36] <Laurenceb> a very odd sight
[18:42] <Hiena> Ehehehe...comp-sci peoples and beers don't mix well...
[19:03] <Laurenceb> bbl
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[20:04] <jcoxon> urgh macosforge is really slow downloading
[20:04] <jcoxon> hurry up stupid download
[20:41] <Laurenceb> right I'm finally ordering from sparkfun
[20:41] <Laurenceb> so now is your last chance to ask for any goodies
[20:43] <jcoxon> :-)
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[22:38] <fnoble> hello
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[23:32] <Laurenceb> hi all
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[23:39] <jcoxon> hey all
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