highaltitude.log.20080502

[00:01] <Laurenceb> :-/
[00:02] Action: natrium42 selected real-time programming course
[00:02] <Laurenceb> having very little knowledge of the canadian system I couldnt really advise you
[00:02] <Laurenceb> sounds cool
[00:02] <natrium42> i need one math course plus 3 non-math courses
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[02:34] <fuzzylugnut> Hey
[02:34] <natrium42> hello fuzzy lug nut
[02:34] <fuzzylugnut> Heya
[02:36] <fuzzylugnut> ok, question
[02:37] <fuzzylugnut> when you are connected to a linux box getty via serial, is there any way to process line per line instead of charachter per charachter?
[02:38] <natrium42> not that i am aware of
[02:38] <fuzzylugnut> : (
[02:38] <natrium42> it probably goes though a buffer anyway
[02:40] <fuzzylugnut> I have a serial dumb modem transciever and its cumbersome to type one letter at a time because when you hit a key its transmitted back to you so it shows up on your screen, per line would be so much easier
[02:49] <natrium42> fuzzylugnut, perhaps you could modify stty to do what you want
[02:49] <natrium42> http://www.oreillynet.com/linux/cmd/cmd.csp?path=s/stty
[02:49] <natrium42> some of the Input Modes look interesting
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[02:51] <fuzzylugnut> ok
[02:51] <fuzzylugnut> thanks
[02:52] <akawaka> what are you using to connect?
[02:52] <fuzzylugnut> kermit
[02:56] <akawaka> you could telnet to localhost in line-by-line mode:)
[02:57] <fuzzylugnut> how does that work agian?
[02:58] <akawaka> ctrl-] and type 'mode line' i think
[02:58] <akawaka> surprised kermit doesn't have the option
[03:09] <fuzzylugnut> I'll mess around with stty a bit
[03:10] <fuzzylugnut> what it boils down to is flow control
[03:10] <fuzzylugnut> I don't have any with the tranciever
[03:10] <fuzzylugnut> an actual packet modem might be nice here.
[03:10] <fuzzylugnut> which I can still add on, but not for this satuday's launch
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[03:36] <fuzzylugnut> HAHAHA
[03:57] <natrium42> ?
[03:57] <fuzzylugnut> "Don't let worry kill you -- let the church help"
[03:59] <natrium42> oh, hehe
[04:03] <fuzzylugnut> : )
[04:03] Action: natrium42 steals fuzzylugnut's nose
[04:03] <natrium42> oh wait
[04:03] <fuzzylugnut> : (
[04:30] <fuzzylugnut> using VI over the rf link is interesting
[04:31] <akawaka> gotta step down to ed
[04:31] <akawaka> how is the radio link working, couldn't get much success without myself
[04:32] <fuzzylugnut> ?
[04:32] <akawaka> packet radio i assume?
[04:33] <fuzzylugnut> the only thing ham about this is the 2m frequency
[04:33] <fuzzylugnut> radiometrix has its own itones or something format
[04:34] <akawaka> gotcha
[04:36] <fuzzylugnut> "killall ed"
[04:36] <fuzzylugnut> because I didn't know how to exit : )
[04:36] <akawaka> :)
[04:42] <fuzzylugnut> I had a dream last night that a ninja with kevin spacey's voice kept trying to attack me
[04:43] <akawaka> thats not weird
[04:47] <fuzzylugnut> : )
[04:55] <natrium42> http://xkcd.com/225/
[04:56] <fuzzylugnut> haha!
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[14:02] Action: Laurenceb is reading an article on dounreay decommissioning
[14:02] <Laurenceb> "possible items iin the shaft include a skeleton and someones car"
[14:02] <Laurenceb> wtf
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[15:02] <edmoore> fnoble: ping
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[16:13] <jcoxon> hey edmoore
[16:13] <edmoore> hi jcoxon
[16:13] <edmoore> what's up?
[16:13] <Laurenceb> hi jcoxon
[16:15] <jcoxon> just got back home from canterbury
[16:15] <edmoore> how long?
[16:15] <jcoxon> acutally have internet access - its scary how dependent I am
[16:15] <edmoore> home = lon or suff?
[16:15] <jcoxon> lon
[16:15] <jcoxon> oh i'm back on sunday night
[16:15] <jcoxon> then i'll probably be there for next weekend
[16:15] <jcoxon> might do some a & e
[16:16] <jcoxon> hows things with you?
[16:16] <edmoore> so just escaping for interweb then :)
[16:16] <edmoore> yeah not bad, been revising
[16:16] <edmoore> finishing off a bottle of wine that won't last another day
[16:16] <edmoore> (my hands are tied, you see)
[16:16] <jcoxon> tough challenge :-p
[16:17] <edmoore> and putting some vids of our ZP and other stuff into my ipod to show this n-prize chap this evening
[16:17] <jcoxon> nice
[16:17] <jcoxon> oooo
[16:17] <jcoxon> i've got a video for you from doug
[16:17] <jcoxon> i'll upload it
[16:17] <edmoore> TubiTunes is a wonderful app
[16:17] <edmoore> ooooh
[16:17] <jcoxon> well its of teh balloon
[16:17] <edmoore> yes I just had a look at Doug's thing for that
[16:17] <edmoore> was there anything of the launch?
[16:18] <edmoore> also jcoxon, there is now an apple store in cambridge
[16:18] <edmoore> and it's dangerous
[16:18] <edmoore> I impulse bought this morning
[16:18] <jcoxon> yeah i heard about the shop
[16:19] <jcoxon> bad bad
[16:19] <edmoore> I feel bad, but good
[16:19] <jcoxon> what did you get?
[16:19] <edmoore> Got one of the lovely shiny new ali external keyboards, and it's so much better than the one on my MBP
[16:20] <edmoore> And I can now put my MBP up on a pile of books so it's at eye level, which is my justification
[16:20] <jcoxon> oh dear
[16:21] <edmoore> but it's soooooo good. And also, 30" screens are so wonderful
[16:21] <edmoore> you can see Ears and Churchill in good detail on the same screen
[16:21] <edmoore> it really is like a desktop
[16:21] <edmoore> anyway, must stop gushing
[16:21] <jcoxon> 30"?
[16:21] <edmoore> if only I had infinite money
[16:21] <jcoxon> oh right
[16:21] <edmoore> thirty inch
[16:21] <jcoxon> your mbp has a 30" screen?
[16:22] <edmoore> no, there was one at the shop
[16:22] <edmoore> My MBP is 15"
[16:22] <edmoore> 1/4 the area
[16:22] <Laurenceb> thats insane
[16:22] <jcoxon> oh right
[16:22] <edmoore> it's quite wonderful
[16:22] <edmoore> 2560 x 1900
[16:22] <jcoxon> okay thats enough
[16:23] <Laurenceb> how would you move it :P
[16:23] <edmoore> it's definitely the way to do computing. You wouldn't need expose, as it's just like that all the time but at full scale
[16:23] <edmoore> aaanyway
[16:23] <edmoore> how're you?
[16:24] <jcoxon> hehe
[16:24] <jcoxon> well i've been making contact with my gumstix
[16:24] <jcoxon> annoyingly when you have usb host you can't then do usb networking
[16:24] <edmoore> how do you do it then?
[16:24] <jcoxon> serial
[16:25] <edmoore> sloooow
[16:25] <jcoxon> and then i had to find some oldschool serial programs to upload stuff
[16:25] <jcoxon> as os x doesn't have teh full unix kit unlike linux
[16:25] <jcoxon> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqvSWADaqwU
[16:25] <jcoxon> watch that, no wonder it stopped working
[16:26] <edmoore> lovely
[16:27] <Laurenceb> a bit violent
[16:27] <Laurenceb> just a bit
[16:27] <jcoxon> yup
[16:27] <jcoxon> 2 balloons is difficult
[16:28] <edmoore> it really was a bit stressful to launch that thing
[16:29] <edmoore> could you pester doug for a time-lapse of prep? I reeeeaaaallly wanna see that
[16:29] <Laurenceb> say does anyone want anything from sparkfun?
[16:29] <Laurenceb> I'm going to be putting in an order
[16:30] <edmoore> so jcoxon I hypothesise that the parachute chords rapped around the antenna and fatiqued it off
[16:30] <edmoore> Laurenceb: just made one, but the offer is much appreciated
[16:30] <Laurenceb> doh
[16:30] <edmoore> well, was 2 weeks ago, in fact
[16:30] <Laurenceb> we could have saved on postage
[16:30] <Laurenceb> oh ok nvm
[16:31] <jcoxon> edmoore, i reckon it also knocked the gm862 module out a bit
[16:31] <edmoore> lots of lassen's - they're really cute
[16:31] <edmoore> out of what?
[16:31] <jcoxon> i'll get onto doug
[16:31] <jcoxon> the whole thing would be useful
[16:31] <Laurenceb> I'm going to get myself a GN3S Sampler v2
[16:31] <Laurenceb> as its called
[16:31] <edmoore> is that that blue antenna/gps sampler thing?
[16:31] <Laurenceb> yes
[16:31] <edmoore> that's quite expensive?
[16:31] <edmoore> cool
[16:32] <Laurenceb> £140 approx
[16:32] <edmoore> well you will be highly sought after if you could design your own gps receiver
[16:32] <edmoore> imagine what you could do with a blackfin
[16:32] <edmoore> a 10mhz arm7 can do 1hz updates on gps
[16:32] <Laurenceb> this is my plan XD
[16:32] <edmoore> but you could do a 20hz system whose estimators are optimised to a given situation. say...... orbit for a 20g sattelite
[16:33] <edmoore> as a completely random example
[16:33] <Laurenceb> it will also be handy for what I'm working on next year
[16:33] <edmoore> bien sur
[16:37] <Laurenceb> edmoore: you might be able to do your n-prize with a light gas gun?
[16:37] <edmoore> might I?
[16:37] <Laurenceb> well you can get the velocities needed
[16:37] <Laurenceb> but it would need to be on a balloon
[16:38] <Laurenceb> nobody has ever done that
[16:41] <Laurenceb> http://ares.jsc.nasa.gov/Education/websites/craters/lgg.htm
[16:44] <Laurenceb> http://www.utroninc.com/defensetech.htm <-- looks like some of that kit might be useful :D
[16:58] <Laurenceb> problem is its all way too heavy for a balloon
[16:59] <Laurenceb> and you'd need some solid fuel on your payload for orbital correction - it might not survive the insane acceleration
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[17:07] <fuzzylugnut> Hey folks
[17:07] <fuzzylugnut> for those of you interested, our group will be flying tomorrow ~9 or 10 mountain standard time.
[17:07] <jcoxon> fuzzylugnut, cool
[17:08] <fuzzylugnut> the callsigns used for APRS will be K9GP, K3ZGO, and N7RYN
[17:08] <fuzzylugnut> out payloads weight 14lbs so we have to shave off 2lbs somewhere
[17:09] <fuzzylugnut> we have 400ft^3 of hydrogen and nomex hoods, and cotton coveralls.
[17:13] <fuzzylugnut> our payloads are
[17:13] <fuzzylugnut> 1 camera box + flight computer + sensors
[17:13] <fuzzylugnut> 1 old redundant APRS setup that uses HTs
[17:13] <fuzzylugnut> 1 redundant new setup that uses microtrak-8000-FAs
[17:13] <fuzzylugnut> 1 biology experiment with bacteria salt crystals
[17:13] <fuzzylugnut> 1 5th grader experiment with cockroaches in a air tight container of some sort
[17:13] <fuzzylugnut> 1 SDU-5 /E strobe
[17:14] <edmoore> fuzzylugnut: sounds amazing
[17:14] <edmoore> though I reckon I can guess the outcome of the cockroaches
[17:14] <fuzzylugnut> I hope it all preformes that way
[17:14] <fuzzylugnut> yeah
[17:15] <edmoore> we sent up a banana a bit back
[17:15] <edmoore> could have hammered nails with it when it came back down
[17:15] <fuzzylugnut> one of our group members is a 5th grade teacher, so he has them do egg drop experiments and the winning one gets to go on our launch, its just little fun stuff ofr them
[17:15] <fuzzylugnut> edmoore: very cool : )
[17:16] <fuzzylugnut> did you eat it?
[17:17] <edmoore> no. it went black too
[17:17] <fuzzylugnut> oh
[17:17] <edmoore> however, we did take a sample bottle of port up
[17:17] <edmoore> which we called space-port (hohoho)
[17:17] <fuzzylugnut> haha
[17:17] <edmoore> and, I kid you not, in a blind taste test, 7/8 thought the space port tasted better than sea-level port
[17:17] <fuzzylugnut> we've wanted to send up some shots of absinthe, but I ended up drinking it all.
[17:18] <edmoore> in the name of science :p
[17:18] <fuzzylugnut> damn right : )
[17:18] <edmoore> what altitude are you anticipating?
[17:18] <fuzzylugnut> who knows
[17:19] <fuzzylugnut> most of our stuff goes up between 80-95
[17:19] <fuzzylugnut> we're so damn heavy this time its going to be ineteresting
[17:19] <fuzzylugnut> I don't think the guys are making a bigger chute either.
[17:19] <edmoore> "low drift descent"
[17:20] <fuzzylugnut> you got it :)
[17:21] <jcoxon> graceful falling
[17:21] <fuzzylugnut> yeah
[17:21] <fuzzylugnut> for tracking, we'll just look for the crater
[17:21] <fuzzylugnut> or the ambulances and fire trucks.
[17:22] <fuzzylugnut> this launch will have 4 APRS systems because we're testing the replacement gear
[17:26] <fuzzylugnut> did I ever link you guys to the story a reporter that came with us did?
[17:26] <fuzzylugnut> it was a freekin joke
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[17:30] <fuzzylugnut> http://www.localnews8.com/Global/story.asp?S=7315791
[17:31] <fuzzylugnut> according to them, with the help of nasa and a broken parachute, we were able to locate the balloon.
[17:32] <fuzzylugnut> the firefighters are in our group, they wern't on the scene : P
[17:32] <jcoxon> hehe
[17:34] <fuzzylugnut> she wouldn't even get out of the car at the landing site, she shot the clip from the side door of the van
[17:34] <fuzzylugnut> while we're all trying not to laugh
[17:34] <fuzzylugnut> ok, enough ranting.
[17:35] <fuzzylugnut> you folks have the info, I'm moving on monday so I've got alot of crap to do before then. Have a good one
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[23:09] <jcoxon> evening all
[23:10] <akawaka> hi
[23:10] <jcoxon> hey akawaka
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[23:26] <jcoxon> evening RocketBoy
[23:26] <RocketBoy> hiya jcoxon
[23:26] <Laurenceb> hi RocketBoy
[23:27] <RocketBoy> hiya laurenceb
[23:28] <RocketBoy> hey edmoore - thanks for the link - V interesting - I won't have a chance to read it for a few days as I'm totally tied up with Big EARS this weekend (and Monday)
[23:28] <jcoxon> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqvSWADaqwU
[23:29] <jcoxon> RocketBoy, doug sent me a bit of video
[23:29] <RocketBoy> FHALP-3 ?
[23:29] <jcoxon> yup
[23:30] <jcoxon> thats the youtube line
[23:30] <RocketBoy> wow that crazy
[23:30] <RocketBoy> that = thats
[23:31] <jcoxon> yup
[23:31] <jcoxon> no wonder things stopped working
[23:31] <RocketBoy> yeah
[23:31] <RocketBoy> the top balloon is so stable
[23:32] <RocketBoy> the lower balllon will be in the wash of the upper - so thats probably why
[23:34] <jcoxon> something we are going to have to work on
[23:34] <natrium42> jcoxon, "This video or group may contain content that is inappropriate for some users, as flagged by YouTube's user community."
[23:34] <natrium42> for pegasus I launch
[23:34] <jcoxon> i know
[23:34] <natrium42> why>
[23:34] <jcoxon> someone reported it i think
[23:35] <natrium42> competition?
[23:35] <jcoxon> no idea
[23:35] <Laurenceb> unsuitable for children
[23:36] <jcoxon> large latex object?
[23:36] <jcoxon> i'm not really sure
[23:46] <RocketBoy> It looked like a good jetstream day tomorrow (when I looked a day ago) - perhaps someone should launch a balloon from BigEARS
[23:47] <jcoxon> hehe, sadly I've taken firefly 3 apart
[23:48] <jcoxon> night all
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[23:49] <RocketBoy> Cu guys
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