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[00:03] <Laurenceb> Exception
[00:03] <Laurenceb> doesnt sound good
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[11:36] <jcoxon> exams done
[11:47] <jcoxon> ooooo amazing
[11:48] <jcoxon> the latest forecast for saturday morning is improving
[11:48] <jcoxon> there might even be a little bit of pink over East Anglia
[11:48] <jcoxon> right i'll bbl
[14:25] <jcoxon> back
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[15:18] <Laurenceb> hello folks
[15:27] <edmoore> jcoxon: ping
[15:27] <edmoore> ping pang pong poo
[15:30] <Laurenceb> lmao
[15:31] <edmoore> we must talk le weekend
[15:31] <Laurenceb> is there a launch?
[15:31] <edmoore> this is why I am pinging jcoxon
[15:31] <Laurenceb> nice
[15:32] <edmoore> i.e. 'dunno'
[15:32] <edmoore> poss
[15:32] <edmoore> puet-etre
[15:32] <Laurenceb> would be exciting
[15:32] <edmoore> peut*
[15:32] <edmoore> it was such nice weather yesterday
[15:33] <Laurenceb> right time to find where my supervisor has disappeared to - bbl
[15:33] <edmoore> lol
[15:33] <edmoore> they do that
[15:33] <edmoore> it's annoying
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[15:40] <jcoxon> yuppdy yup yup yup
[15:40] <jcoxon> edmoore, pong
[15:40] <edmoore> yo
[15:40] <edmoore> cool
[15:40] <jcoxon> so
[15:40] <edmoore> so exam went well?
[15:40] <jcoxon> yeah
[15:41] <jcoxon> i'm happy so hopefully the examiners are going to be happy
[15:41] <edmoore> :)
[15:41] <jcoxon> its hard to judge but i did everything i could
[15:41] <edmoore> the eternal assumption
[15:41] <jcoxon> just had lunch with my father
[15:41] <jcoxon> very nice
[15:41] <jcoxon> so
[15:41] <jcoxon> this weekend
[15:41] <edmoore> yes
[15:42] <jcoxon> the forecast is going in teh right direction
[15:42] <edmoore> yes, it looks pretty good
[15:42] <edmoore> winds not as slow as they could be, but plenty of britiain left
[15:42] <jcoxon> as long as we get it off early
[15:43] <edmoore> I'll be up at 6
[15:43] <jcoxon> haha
[15:43] <jcoxon> okay
[15:43] <jcoxon> perhaps not that early
[15:43] <jcoxon> a 10am launch would be amazing though
[15:43] <edmoore> suits me totally
[15:44] <jcoxon> there is some badass jetstream at 11880m, 200mb
[15:44] <jcoxon> but as long as we put a nice whack of He in i reckon we'll be fine
[15:44] <edmoore> it'll be splendideee
[15:45] <jcoxon> so just doing the final wiring of the payload
[15:45] <edmoore> would be good if we could get a model |v| against height
[15:45] <edmoore> gps issues ironed out?
[15:45] <jcoxon> i think so
[15:45] <jcoxon> but its going to need an outside test to check
[15:45] <jcoxon> i forget that its not a sirfIII
[15:45] <jcoxon> which can get a lock in a lead lined box
[15:46] <jcoxon> haven't yet put a cutdown on it...
[15:46] <edmoore> the ublox ones have pretty impressive performance too... I'd be a little suprised if it was that different to sirf
[15:46] <jcoxon> well i'll stick it outside and see if it works is magic
[15:47] <jcoxon> just charging my LiPo
[15:48] <edmoore> oh yes, what was the state of the lipo on recovery of the last one?
[15:48] <jcoxon> it was fine, still works
[15:48] <jcoxon> but
[15:48] <jcoxon> one of the tabs has finally come off
[15:48] <jcoxon> so i 'repaired' it
[15:48] <jcoxon> but i've ordered 2 new ones
[15:48] <jcoxon> yet to arrive, have a feeling they are being sent to my home home
[15:48] <edmoore> ok cool
[15:49] <jcoxon> i reckon the telit gives up at a threshold less then the discharge level thingy whatsit
[15:49] <edmoore> that's probably a good thing
[15:49] <edmoore> saves a high altitude fireball
[15:50] <jcoxon> cutdowns?
[15:52] <edmoore> no, the lipo exploding
[15:52] <jcoxon> no i mean, shall i put a cutdown on it?
[15:53] <edmoore> what's it going up on?
[15:53] <jcoxon> to be decided
[15:53] <edmoore> i would say the cutdown answer shares a similar fate then
[15:53] <edmoore> may aswell put on one if it's no bother
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[15:54] <mc-> I'm trying a speech recognition software
[15:55] <edmoore> ok just for fun, say this: my pickerninny is particularly apricotey
[15:55] <mc-> my taken nearly is particularly apricots
[15:56] <edmoore> that's quite profound
[15:56] <mc-> not bad
[15:56] <mc-> where is Lawrence?
[15:56] <mc-> I've got a GPS module for him
[15:57] <edmoore> he just left
[15:57] <edmoore> to find his supervisor
[15:57] <edmoore> better than an ordinary visot
[15:57] <edmoore> vidor*
[15:58] <mc-> is Saturday on?
[15:58] <jcoxon> at the moment yes
[15:58] <mc-> any space for another payload?
[15:59] <jcoxon> depends what, how who.. etc
[15:59] <jcoxon> seperate balloon? or train?
[15:59] <mc-> properly trained is better
[15:59] <mc-> probably
[15:59] <jcoxon> whats teh payload/
[15:59] <jcoxon> ?
[16:00] <mc-> GPS and radio
[16:00] <jcoxon> weight?
[16:00] <mc-> not much
[16:00] <jcoxon> would you be coming up? or sending it?
[16:00] <mc-> uses PP3 battery
[16:01] Action: jcoxon apologies for the interegation
[16:01] <mc-> interrogation
[16:01] <mc-> speech recognition spells better
[16:01] <jcoxon> thanks ;-)
[16:02] <mc-> might give it to JAtkins
[16:02] <jcoxon> what radio freq?
[16:02] <mc-> weekend after is ears
[16:02] <edmoore> is he coming up?
[16:02] <mc-> 434 MHz
[16:02] <mc-> not sure
[16:02] <jcoxon> mc-, this is the last weekend of launches for a while
[16:03] <jcoxon> the permission runs out at the end of the month
[16:03] <mc-> I had better go for it
[16:03] <jcoxon> the thing is
[16:03] <jcoxon> i'm worried about freqs
[16:03] <jcoxon> i'm on 434.650 and 434.075
[16:03] <mc-> I'm using Morse
[16:03] <jcoxon> same
[16:03] <mc-> I could add a cap to move frequency
[16:04] <jcoxon> mc-, do you mind if i have a think about the logistics of it
[16:04] <mc-> no problem
[16:05] <jcoxon> do you know JAtkin's freq?
[16:05] <mc-> I just sent him a radio ordeal
[16:05] <mc-> module
[16:05] <mc-> 434
[16:06] <edmoore> haha, freudian
[16:07] <mc-> made me laugh
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[17:03] <Laurenceb> just confused newtonian and stokes drag equations
[17:04] <Laurenceb> idiotic :-(
[17:04] <jcoxon> hmmmm
[17:04] <jcoxon> if my active antenna is rated 3-5V
[17:05] <jcoxon> and my gps module is providing 2.85V
[17:05] <jcoxon> is that bad
[17:05] <Laurenceb> no
[17:05] <jcoxon> let me rephrase that
[17:05] <Laurenceb> your gps supplies the ant
[17:05] <jcoxon> is that why i'm struggling to get a lock
[17:06] <Laurenceb> probably
[17:06] <Laurenceb> but at least your not going to fry anything
[17:06] <jcoxon> true
[17:06] <jcoxon> i actually had to set the module up for active antenna
[17:06] <jcoxon> it had the option to control it itself
[17:07] <jcoxon> or you provide an external power supply
[17:07] <Laurenceb> you could check the voltage across the coax with a multimeter
[17:07] <jcoxon> thats what i did
[17:07] <Laurenceb> what was it?
[17:07] <jcoxon> 2.85
[17:07] <Laurenceb> right
[17:07] <Laurenceb> your preamp might not be working properly then
[17:08] <jcoxon> right
[17:08] <jcoxon> where is the preamp then? within the antenna or the module?
[17:09] <Laurenceb> in your active ant
[17:09] <Laurenceb> there will be a little ic
[17:10] <jcoxon> hmmmm
[17:10] <jcoxon> so what are my options?
[17:10] <jcoxon> replace the antenna, or provide a higher voltage externally (not difficult to do)
[17:12] <Laurenceb> I'd replace the ant
[17:12] <Laurenceb> sticking a voltage onto the coax is tricky
[17:13] <jcoxon> oh there is an actually pin i can use
[17:13] <jcoxon> on the receiver which forwards teh voltage
[17:13] <Laurenceb> ah perfect then
[17:13] <Laurenceb> I was thinking youd have to isolate the reciever from the voltage
[17:14] <jcoxon> no no, there is a V_ANT pin
[17:14] <jcoxon> at the moment its conncted VCC_RF which is providing 2.85v
[17:15] <jcoxon> so i can disconnect it ( i connected it in the first place
[17:15] <Laurenceb> cool
[17:15] <Laurenceb> then use a 3v3 supply to that pin
[17:15] <jcoxon> haha, now thats the thing
[17:16] <jcoxon> i don't actually have a 3v3 supply
[17:16] <jcoxon> the module is powered by the LiPo
[17:16] <jcoxon> and my flight computer runs at 2.8v
[17:17] <jcoxon> but directly from the LiPo (which is cool, its designed to)
[17:18] <Laurenceb> yes
[17:19] <jcoxon> so could i run the antenna off the main supply?
[17:19] <jcoxon> or does it feedback into the gps and fry it
[17:19] <Laurenceb> well if there is a V_ant pin
[17:19] <jcoxon> (thats probably a 'look in the datasheet' question)
[17:19] <Laurenceb> it should be fine, but make sure its setup correctly first
[17:20] <jcoxon> so not to fry it
[17:20] <jcoxon> okay
[17:20] <jcoxon> i'll check it twice ;-)
[17:20] <Laurenceb> if you connect the lipo up at the moment, it might fry it, not sure
[17:21] <Laurenceb> as youll be connecting lipo to reciever supply
[17:21] <jcoxon> oh i've disconnected them now
[17:21] <Laurenceb> you need to setup the reciever to use external v_ant
[17:21] <jcoxon> (there was a resistor between the pins)
[17:21] <jcoxon> so now i can add my own supply
[17:21] <Laurenceb> theres no internal configuration in software?
[17:22] <jcoxon> the datasheet doesn't mention it
[17:22] <jcoxon> had this issue on the gumstix originally
[17:22] <Laurenceb> ok, but I'd make double sure :P
[17:22] <jcoxon> back in the day
[17:22] <jcoxon> of course
[17:22] <Laurenceb> you might want to see what it says in "absolute maximum ratings"
[17:23] <jcoxon> 8v
[17:23] <jcoxon> max voltage on V_ANT
[17:28] <edmoore> ok, wire it up straight from lipo
[17:29] <edmoore> jcoxon: ping pong pan
[17:29] <jcoxon> yeah yeah
[17:30] <jcoxon> well we've not got sats
[17:30] <jcoxon> got time
[17:30] <jcoxon> just waiting for a lock
[17:30] <edmoore> how long?
[17:30] <jcoxon> 20 secs
[17:30] <jcoxon> oops
[17:30] <jcoxon> we've got sats
[17:30] <jcoxon> and now a lock
[17:30] <jcoxon> 40secs
[17:30] <edmoore> ok that's promising
[17:30] <jcoxon> good old ublox :-p
[17:31] <edmoore> i'd let it build up its ephemeris too
[17:31] <edmoore> does the module have a batt backup?
[17:31] <jcoxon> it has a batt backup pin
[17:31] <edmoore> oh well, if you get boref you could put a coin cell onto it
[17:31] <edmoore> bored*
[17:31] <jcoxon> right well i'm glad thats sorted
[17:32] <edmoore> awesomeness
[17:32] <jcoxon> thanks Laurenceb
[17:32] <jcoxon> just need to make it a bit more pretty
[17:32] <edmoore> pfff
[17:33] <jcoxon> actually its pretty solid
[17:35] <jcoxon> wohoo
[17:35] <jcoxon> radio is transmitting
[17:36] <edmoore> is it 4hz?
[17:36] <jcoxon> its only going at 1hz
[17:36] <jcoxon> it can go up to 4 hz
[17:40] <jcoxon> could the serial on the gps cause some artefacts on the radio
[17:40] <jcoxon> i can hear a weird 1hz noise
[17:42] <edmoore> hrmm
[17:42] <edmoore> i guess
[17:42] <edmoore> are they close?
[17:42] <jcoxon> its nice and compact
[17:43] <jcoxon> so yeah
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[17:48] <jcoxon> hmmmm there is some code to fix
[17:51] <edmoore> which bit?
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[17:51] <jcoxon> the bit that grabs the incoming gps data
[17:52] <jcoxon> the built in serial library isn't great
[17:52] <jcoxon> its meant to collect all the data for 4 seconds but i reckon it fills its buffer then gives up
[17:53] <jcoxon> so i'm missing strings
[17:53] <jcoxon> and therefore it doesn't think its got a lock
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[17:54] <Laurenceb> annoying buffers
[17:54] <Laurenceb> hence the interrupt driven parser I wrote :P
[17:54] <jcoxon> hehe
[17:54] <jcoxon> doesn't really apply here sadly
[17:54] <jcoxon> :-p
[17:56] <Laurenceb> I've managed to get it down to 1.9KB
[17:57] <Laurenceb> this isnt good: I need to rewrite half my project report by tomorrow morning
[17:58] <Laurenceb> messed up one equation and half my conclusions aren't valid
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[18:14] <Laurenceb> oh well time for some food bbl
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[18:49] <jcoxon> oooooo ESA are recruiting astronauts
[18:49] <jcoxon> sadly i'm too young
[18:53] <akawaka> :(
[19:05] <Laurenceb> jcoxon: you could be a space medic :P
[19:07] <Laurenceb> ooh my batchpcb boards have been shipped
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[19:12] <Hiena> Good evening!
[19:14] <rcaron> hey all, stumbled across this GPS/text message beacon you may be interested in: http://www.opengpstracker.org
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[19:29] <jcoxon> rcaron, its a cool idea
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[20:01] <jatkins> hi all
[20:23] <jcoxon> hey jatkins
[20:24] <jatkins> mc-'s sent me a radio transmitter
[20:24] <jatkins> he built one up for me :)
[20:24] <jatkins> ..but I'm still struggling with the gps
[20:24] <jatkins> I thought I had it fixed - it was giving out numbers I assumed to be ASCII codes
[20:25] <jcoxon> jatkins, can you post your code somewhere?
[20:25] <jatkins> the output?
[20:25] <jcoxon> i'll give it a look, i've played with arduino's before
[20:25] <jatkins> ok
[20:25] <jcoxon> nah the code itself
[20:25] <jatkins> ok
[20:25] <jatkins> just to explain the setup..
[20:25] <jatkins> the gps's serial is wired to the arduino's Rx pin
[20:26] <jatkins> and the ground to power GND
[20:26] <jatkins> I'll put it on the wiki, 2 mins
[20:27] <jcoxon> okay, and what voltage does teh gps put out?
[20:27] <jatkins> not sure, but I have tried with a resistor on the input
[20:27] <jatkins> I think it's either 12V or 5V
[20:28] <jatkins> sorry not to be specific ;)
[20:28] <jatkins> I'll ask mc- later
[20:28] <jcoxon> whats the gps module?
[20:28] <jatkins> he sent it to me (he's been giving me loads of stuff, really cool)
[20:28] <jatkins> I think it's a sIRF, I'll see if I can find the model
[20:29] <jatkins> http://wiki.ukhas.org.uk/code:habep_gps
[20:29] <jatkins> ..
[20:29] <jatkins> thinks it's a RoyalTek
[20:30] <jatkins> yep
[20:30] <jatkins> not sIFR
[20:30] <jatkins> sIRF*
[20:30] <jatkins> or whatever :D
[20:30] <jcoxon> model number?
[20:30] <jcoxon> then i can check the datasheet
[20:30] <jatkins> not sure, doesn't seem to say
[20:30] <jatkins> yeah
[20:30] <jcoxon> tis quite important
[20:30] <jatkins> I'll have another look
[20:30] <jatkins> lol
[20:31] <jcoxon> also can you post the output you are getting
[20:31] <jatkins> sure
[20:31] <jatkins> it works fine directly plugged into my pc
[20:31] <jcoxon> the other thing is are you sure the baud rate is 9600
[20:31] <jatkins> it's just the problem with my arduino
[20:31] <jcoxon> do you plug it directly into your computer?
[20:31] <jatkins> http://www.gpskit.nl/gps-readme.html
[20:32] <jatkins> well through a serial port
[20:32] <jatkins> yep
[20:32] <jcoxon> oh you have a jupiter module?
[20:32] <jatkins> I don't think it is
[20:32] <jatkins> but I think it's compatible
[20:32] <jatkins> mc- sent me that link
[20:32] <jcoxon> haha
[20:32] <jcoxon> does it look like the picture?
[20:32] <jatkins> when I needed to resolder
[20:32] <jatkins> pretty much, yep
[20:33] <jcoxon> so its a jupiter module
[20:33] <jatkins> well it says royaltek
[20:33] <jatkins> I don't really know :(
[20:33] <jcoxon> okay give me a few secs
[20:33] <jatkins> thanks
[20:33] <jatkins> to say you the trouble
[20:34] <jatkins> I could use the other one he sent me
[20:34] <jatkins> they look pretty much the same, but this one has a model number
[20:34] <jatkins> it's a SIRF LXHA
[20:34] <jcoxon> it no problem
[20:35] <jatkins> btw, the royaltek one is definitely 9600 baud
[20:35] <jatkins> ok, thanks
[20:35] <jcoxon> okay
[20:35] <jatkins> the other one is 4800
[20:35] <jcoxon> the thing is that r232 is necessarily compativble with the arduino
[20:35] <jcoxon> the voltage levels are different
[20:35] <jatkins> yep
[20:35] <jatkins> I think mc- said it was 12V, but I'm not sure
[20:35] <jcoxon> in theory rs232 is +12 -12
[20:36] <jatkins> ok
[20:36] <jcoxon> so are you putting anything in between the arduino and the gps?
[20:36] <jatkins> there's a prototype board attached to the gps
[20:36] <jatkins> through which the wires go
[20:36] <jatkins> - i.e. nothing's wired directly from the gps pcb
[20:37] <jcoxon> http://www.royaltek.com/index.php/content/view/91/73/
[20:37] <jatkins> thanks
[20:37] <jcoxon> is that it?
[20:38] <jatkins> think so
[20:38] <jatkins> it's not exactly the same
[20:39] <jatkins> shall I send you a pic?
[20:39] <jcoxon> http://www.royaltek.com/index.php/content/view/86/68/
[20:39] <jcoxon> how about that
[20:39] <jatkins> k
[20:41] <jcoxon> ?
[20:41] <jatkins> sorry, won't be long
[20:43] <jatkins> nearly..
[20:43] <jatkins> just uploadin'
[20:46] <jatkins> http://flickr.com/photos/joshatkins/2437325002/
[20:46] <jatkins> it's not very good quality..
[20:46] <jatkins> http://flickr.com/photos/joshatkins/2436506485/
[20:47] <jatkins> ^^ that's the prototyping board
[20:47] <jatkins> I'll try and get better ones
[20:49] <jatkins> ok, nearly
[20:52] <jatkins> http://flickr.com/photos/joshatkins/2437337980/
[20:53] <jatkins> I'm not a good photographer
[20:53] <jcoxon> yeah they are a little blurred
[20:53] <jcoxon> whats on the prototype board?
[20:54] <jcoxon> also on the module does it say REB-21R anywhere?
[20:54] <jatkins> lol
[20:54] <jatkins> just a sec
[20:55] <jatkins> nope
[20:55] <jatkins> g2g now
[20:55] <jatkins> thanks for all your help
[20:55] <jatkins> mc- will probably know the model, etc.
[20:56] <jatkins> and I'll have a go with the other gps
[20:56] <jcoxon> okay
[20:56] <jatkins> I'll try again with a resistor
[20:56] <jatkins> cya
[20:56] <jcoxon> just don't leave it to the last minute!
[20:56] <jatkins> no
[20:57] <jatkins> thanks again
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[21:18] <jcoxon> that should do the job
[21:18] <jcoxon> it pretty much catches all teh GPGGA strings
[21:18] <jcoxon> might miss a few but oh well
[21:18] <jcoxon> stupid tiny serial buffers
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[21:45] <jcoxon> bbl
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[21:58] <Laurenceb> I wish I knew why my machine keeps rebooting
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[22:04] <Cooleo> Overheating
[22:04] <Cooleo> :)
[22:04] <akawaka> Laurenceb: hard reset?
[22:05] <Laurenceb> no
[22:05] <Laurenceb> screen goes blank, then I think its giving me tty2
[22:05] <Laurenceb> then I get the login screen
[22:07] <Cooleo> :S
[22:07] <akawaka> so its not actually reseting?
[22:07] <akawaka> just X is crashing?
[22:09] <Laurenceb> think so
[22:10] <Laurenceb> but tty2 is showing various prices of hardware restarting
[22:10] <Laurenceb> thin the ethernet is restarted for example
[22:13] <akawaka> hmmm
[22:13] <akawaka> is there anything in /var/log/X11 ?
[22:13] <akawaka> you can send me your syslog if you want me to take a look
[22:14] <akawaka> or give me a login or something
[22:18] <Laurenceb> I'll try in a bit
[22:18] <Laurenceb> thanx
[22:18] <Laurenceb> I'm rather busy atm, need to finish some work for tomorrow am
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[22:27] <Laurenceb> hi mc-
[22:27] <mc-> hi lb
[22:27] <Laurenceb> thanx for the module :P
[22:27] <mc-> you'll need to do some soldering etc
[22:27] <Laurenceb> sure
[22:28] <mc-> but I've got one working here
[22:28] <mc-> so I know it works
[22:28] <Laurenceb> nice
[22:28] <Laurenceb> how good is it at getting a lock?
[22:28] <mc-> it works on my desk
[22:28] <mc-> takes a few mins
[22:28] <Laurenceb> amazing
[22:28] <mc-> with a passive patch ant
[22:28] <Laurenceb> have you tried moving it and getting heading?
[22:28] <mc-> no
[22:29] <Laurenceb> I'll have to try, will be interesting
[22:29] <Laurenceb> I've done some more work on the parafoil code, its pretty much ready
[22:29] <Laurenceb> hopefully I'll have an RC parafoil arriving in the next xouple of days
[22:29] <mc-> I know someone who will test a parafoil off a RC plane
[22:30] <Laurenceb> ok
[22:30] <Laurenceb> I think I'll try the module on the parafoil to start with
[22:30] <mc-> take up to 1000ft, and drop it
[22:30] <Laurenceb> :-)
[22:31] <Laurenceb> I'll probably just run down a hill with it and hand launch
[22:31] <Laurenceb> I was thinking of using the cutdown cable as a RC antenna
[22:32] <Laurenceb> will be an interesting experiment
[22:33] <Laurenceb> If you search for "r c parachute" on ebay you can pick them up for £15 :-)
[22:33] <akawaka> what kind of parafoil?
[22:38] <Laurenceb> about 40cm wingspan
[22:38] <Laurenceb> rc plastic chinese thing
[22:38] <Laurenceb> good for hacking :P
[22:39] <Laurenceb> I'll fit a servo on for steering
[22:40] <Laurenceb> maybe rebuild the gondola with blue foam
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[22:44] <akawaka> got a link?
[22:45] <Laurenceb> http://www.raidentech.com/cypasurareco.html
[22:53] <Laurenceb> what do you think?
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[23:41] <akawaka> you saved 250 dollars!
[23:41] <Laurenceb> haha right
[23:42] <Laurenceb> youd have to be mad to pay that much
[23:48] <akawaka> i hate ordering electronic components
[23:48] <akawaka> i always end up forgetting something
[23:49] <Laurenceb> I know the feeling
[23:49] <Laurenceb> its weird the way it adds up as well
[23:49] <Laurenceb> hundereds of very cheap things cost a lot
[23:49] <akawaka> its all this small stuff too
[23:50] <akawaka> like i need two transistors, some inductors, a handful of resistors all of different values but they only come in bags of 100
[23:50] <Laurenceb> sucks
[23:50] <akawaka> and i'm going to end up forgetting a coil or something
[23:50] <akawaka> and then have to wait another week or so for the next order
[23:50] <Laurenceb> I've discovered if I order at uni things arrive really fast
[23:51] <akawaka> my life is fucking ruined!
[23:51] <akawaka> i bet they do
[23:51] <Laurenceb> as theres always deliveries to the uni
[23:51] <Laurenceb> :-(
[23:52] <akawaka> wish there were better stores here
[23:52] <Laurenceb> you can usually get most stuff next day here
[23:52] <akawaka> up in san jose there are electronic stores that you can walk into and find everything you could ever want
[23:53] <jcoxon> evening all
[23:54] <Laurenceb> hi jcoxon
[23:54] <akawaka> yo
[23:54] <Laurenceb> this is drving me insane :(
[23:54] <akawaka> ?
[23:54] <jcoxon> finally sorted all my gps stuff
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[23:54] <Laurenceb> need to have my project report ready by friday am
[23:54] <Laurenceb> its getting longer and longer, way over the page limit
[23:55] <Laurenceb> it would have helped if my supervisor hadnt dissapeared completely yesterday
[23:56] <jcoxon> edmoore, ping
[23:56] <akawaka> never in my life have i written too much for a report
[23:56] <edmoore> pong
[23:56] <edmoore> but on phone
[23:56] <jcoxon> oh no worries, when you are free
[23:56] <Laurenceb> especially as he could have told me he wants half of it rewritten
[23:56] <Laurenceb> :-(
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