highaltitude.log.20080406

[00:10] <jcoxon> hmmmmm
[00:10] <jcoxon> http://arhab.blogspot.com/
[00:11] <jcoxon> these guys are launching today as well
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[00:34] <natrium42> google earth tracking for snox online --> http://natrium42.com/track/track.kml
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[01:03] <Akadecca> three transatlantic balloons launching today
[01:03] <Akadecca> guess its the last chance of the season
[01:03] <jcoxon> whats the third?
[01:03] <jcoxon> SNOX, ARHAB
[01:05] <jcoxon> and ...
[01:06] <natrium42> Akadecca is keeping us in suspense
[01:06] <natrium42> :)
[01:06] <Akadecca> http://home.hiwaay.net/~bbrown/
[01:06] <Akadecca> looks like the post poned
[01:08] <jcoxon> oh wow Bill Brown
[01:09] <jcoxon> hehe, he pops up everywhere
[01:11] <natrium42> do the tabs on that site work for you guys?
[01:11] Action: natrium42 was trying to go to "about"
[01:11] <jcoxon> nothing seems to work on the site
[01:11] <natrium42> so who is bill brown?
[01:11] <jcoxon> :-)
[01:11] <jcoxon> the father of amateur ballooning
[01:12] <jcoxon> he was one of teh first to ever do it
[01:12] <jcoxon> and sort of mentors new groups in the US
[01:12] <jcoxon> developed the BalloonTrack prediction software
[01:12] <natrium42> aah, cool
[01:13] <jcoxon> i'm sure he'll appear on the SNOX channel at some point
[01:13] <jcoxon> he did last time
[01:13] <jcoxon> right
[01:13] <jcoxon> i'm off to bed
[01:13] <jcoxon> night all
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[01:13] <natrium42> nite
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[02:58] <_johan_> Is there an irc channel for the knox flight?
[02:59] <natrium42> oasis.liveharmony.org #SNOX
[02:59] <_johan_> Thanks.
[02:59] <natrium42> np
[03:02] Nick change: _johan_ -> johan____
[03:03] <johan____> Just in time. They just launched.
[03:04] <natrium42> yep
[03:04] <natrium42> :)
[03:17] <johan____> Google earth is cool. I never could get the offline cache to work though.
[03:17] <johan____> Wish I could have it in a chase car.
[03:20] <natrium42> i used this program http://goopstechnologies.com/
[03:21] <natrium42> it handles all the interfacing with google earth, you just open a socket to it from your program
[03:24] <johan____> Yeah. I saw that one. Does it create the kml for you?
[03:25] <johan____> Or am I totaly missing the point :)
[03:47] <natrium42> yes
[03:47] <natrium42> it works google earth for you
[03:48] <natrium42> you just send GPS data to it via a socket
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[07:36] <natrium42> hey jcoxon
[07:36] <jcoxon> hey natrium42
[07:37] <jcoxon> so we are off
[07:38] <natrium42> well, their envelope seems to have a hole somewhere
[07:38] <jcoxon> oh no
[07:39] <natrium42> and they are all out of ballast now too :S
[07:39] <jcoxon> so it doesn't look good
[07:39] <natrium42> current suspicion is that helium leaked from a hole until it was above the hole
[07:40] <natrium42> ballast has been dropping automatically to correct altitude
[07:40] <natrium42> but they're not going to make it
[07:40] <jcoxon> they are so easy to make holes in
[07:41] <natrium42> now the hope is to find the payload once it lands
[07:42] <jcoxon> oh well
[07:43] <jcoxon> seems like the other two attempts have been postponed
[07:43] <natrium42> yah
[07:43] <jcoxon> oh wow, looking at the map its gone no where
[07:43] <natrium42> problem cropped up pretty quickly
[07:44] <natrium42> too bad they can't signal it to cutdown
[07:44] <jcoxon> yeah
[07:44] <jcoxon> its snowing here
[07:44] <jcoxon> very unsual
[07:46] <natrium42> in april, eh?
[07:46] <jcoxon> yeah
[07:47] <natrium42> almost all snow melted here
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[08:06] <Hiena> Good morning!
[08:19] <natrium42> g'nite
[08:34] <Hiena> http://www.thefintels.com/aer/frs.htm
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[09:55] <jcoxon_> they still seem to be climbing
[09:55] <jcoxon_> thats good news
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[11:57] <Laurenceb> oh dear
[11:57] <Laurenceb> SNOX doesnt look good
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[13:28] <fnoble> hello
[13:29] <fnoble> hows SNOX V doing?
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[13:38] <Laurenceb> badly
[13:39] <Laurenceb> looks like it crash landed
[13:40] <fnoble> the dashboard makes it look like it fell out the sky
[13:40] <fnoble> at 11km
[13:41] <Laurenceb> they think a seam broke
[13:41] <fnoble> ah ok, trying to find it now then?
[13:42] <Laurenceb> yes, looks like someone is going to drive off to find it
[13:43] <Laurenceb> I like wikipedia, if you look at the alt text for equations, it gives you the latex code for them :P
[13:43] <Laurenceb> you can just c&p them off the page
[13:44] <fnoble> thats neat
[13:44] <fnoble> someone should come up with a way of searching the web for equations
[13:44] <fnoble> based on mathml or latex or something
[13:45] <Laurenceb> I hear your still planning on a parafoil?
[13:47] <Laurenceb> edmoore: was talking about a rocket launched one the other day
[13:47] <Laurenceb> I'd gone off parafoils
[13:47] <Laurenceb> but it looks very easy to make, easier than a rogallo, so I might give it a go
[13:49] <fnoble> hmm yeah, we were
[13:49] <fnoble> easy to control
[13:50] <fnoble> just suck in anything but light winds
[13:50] <fnoble> the other positive is they could be packed down small into a rocket
[13:50] <Laurenceb> yes
[13:51] <Laurenceb> I was put off by the fact that the glide ration isnt good, and you cant go fast
[13:51] <Laurenceb> but they might not be too bad if you balance them right
[13:51] <Laurenceb> probably a better glide than a rogallo at least
[13:52] <Laurenceb> my rogallo is a pain, you cant take it on the train, for example
[13:52] <Laurenceb> and it only just fits in the car
[13:54] <fnoble> yeah, and i think the glide ratio would be acceptable
[13:54] <fnoble> can get more than 5:1
[13:54] <Laurenceb> 4:1 is about the limit with rogallos
[13:54] <fnoble> that gets you a long way when your starting high
[13:54] <Laurenceb> I was planning to build a huge 2 meter wing for it over the vac so its easier to test fly but really i need to revise
[13:54] <Laurenceb> (the rogallo)
[13:55] <fnoble> yeah, easter holidays suck
[13:56] <Laurenceb> at the moment I'm really tempted to redo my rogallo code in c, stick it on a single atmega168, and put it on a cheap parafoil kite off ebay
[13:57] <Laurenceb> cheap simple and has a good chance of working
[13:57] <fnoble> yeah, then you can take the design of the wing itself out of the equation
[13:57] <fnoble> just work on your code
[13:57] <fnoble> then can make your own wing when you know the codes right
[13:58] <Laurenceb> the rogallo is very cool, but there's a few problems with the tronics
[13:58] <Laurenceb> optocouplers were a bad idea, and I dont trust the switche dmode supply, or some of the connectors
[13:59] <Laurenceb> and two uC doing guidance is more trouble than its worth
[13:59] <Laurenceb> best to just use interrupts
[14:00] <Laurenceb> I'm very luckly it wasnt lost, luckly it stored a "status record" in eeprom, so was able to recover when the power supply intermittently failed
[14:01] <fnoble> thats handy
[14:01] <fnoble> hard thing to test as well
[14:01] <Laurenceb> yes, I always do that technique now
[14:01] <fnoble> even dropping it off s building
[14:02] <Laurenceb> usually have a button to press as its turned on it you want to configure a new "mission"
[14:02] <Laurenceb> otherwise it will restore the old settings
[14:04] <Laurenceb> hmm I only really had enough height on those drop tests for it to get into stable flight
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[14:10] <Laurenceb> my machine keeps rebooting for no reason
[14:11] <fnoble> sucks
[14:11] <Laurenceb> luckly I didnt lose any work this time
[14:12] <Laurenceb> I think its connected to RAM use
[14:12] <Laurenceb> maybe when it tries to load the screensaver... I might turn that off and see
[14:13] <Laurenceb> I'm aiming to get the final draft of my project report done for tomorrow :/
[14:13] <fnoble> should probaby log off irc then :)
[14:13] <Laurenceb> he
[14:14] <Laurenceb> then I'd get too bored
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[17:01] <Laurenceb> hey edmoore
[17:01] <edmoore> hello! how's it going?
[17:02] <Laurenceb> not so bad
[17:02] <Laurenceb> busy working on my report/revision
[17:02] <Laurenceb> its snowing here
[17:02] <edmoore> busy sitting at my end
[17:02] <edmoore> it's quite bright here
[17:02] <edmoore> but here is current Burgundy
[17:02] <edmoore> currently*
[17:02] <Laurenceb> ah nice
[17:03] <Laurenceb> holiday?
[17:03] <Laurenceb> or business?
[17:05] <edmoore> Holiday
[17:05] <edmoore> A foodie/walky week
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[17:05] <Laurenceb> cool
[17:07] <Laurenceb> I'm reading about atomic lattice bad quantum computing, pretty amazing stuff
[17:07] <Laurenceb> based*
[17:11] <edmoore> that kind of stuff is beyond me
[17:11] <edmoore> there's some 4th year modules on it that some friends are doing, they seem to enjoy it
[17:13] <Laurenceb> well its where electronics is going to go at some point
[17:13] <edmoore> so much for messing around with PCBs
[17:13] <Laurenceb> lol
[17:14] <Laurenceb> there are fundamental problems with even simple gates at the moment
[17:15] <Laurenceb> NMR quantum computing works ok, but you have to implement the entire computer in a single molecule thats taylored to the process
[17:15] <Laurenceb> the most thats been done is finding the prime factors of 7 I think
[17:18] <Laurenceb> that required around a hundred gates, about the limit of what you can do with NMR
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[17:40] <jcoxon_> phatmonkey,
[17:40] <jcoxon_> do you think we should upgrade teh wiki software?
[17:40] <phatmonkey> i think it's the latest isn't it?
[17:41] <phatmonkey> list is down, sorry
[17:41] <phatmonkey> i'll fix it soon
[17:41] <jcoxon_> nah its claiming there is a new release candidate
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[17:42] <phatmonkey> oh reet
[17:43] <phatmonkey> let's wait till it's stable
[17:43] <phatmonkey> then i'll upgrade it
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[18:29] <Laurenceb> aha msn is working :P
[18:30] <Laurenceb> cool, one less reason to use XP
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[19:19] <Akadecca> so knoxville didn't get very far this time?
[19:28] <jcoxon> yeah
[19:28] <jcoxon> they have another balloon so might launch again
[19:28] <jcoxon> though probably not, they are quite tired
[19:28] <jcoxon> that said
[19:28] <jcoxon> Bill Brown might launch as he has a balloon and payload ready
[19:30] <jcoxon> hmmmmmm
[19:30] <jcoxon> this GM862 module might not be broken
[19:30] <jcoxon> as it echos data
[19:30] <jcoxon> but my terminal doesn't seem to show it
[19:35] <Akadecca> how do you know it is echoing?
[19:35] <Akadecca> what server is the #SNOX channel on?
[19:36] <jcoxon> well cause my voltage shifter Tx and Rx both light up when i send characters
[19:36] <jcoxon> its irc.liveharmony.org #snox
[19:37] <Akadecca> thanks
[19:38] Nick change: Akadecca -> akawaka
[19:47] <jcoxon> hmmmm the plot thickens
[19:47] <natrium42> eh?
[19:48] <jcoxon> i went crazy and typed loads of 'AT'
[19:48] <jcoxon> and got some @ signs in response
[19:48] <natrium42> lol
[19:48] <natrium42> wrong baud rate?
[19:48] <Laurenceb> hehe this sounds like my phone
[19:48] <Laurenceb> I had to send AT&F
[19:48] <Laurenceb> usually means restore factory settings
[19:49] <jcoxon> natrium42, when the modules arrive whats their default baud rate
[19:49] <jcoxon> cause i thought they autobauded
[19:49] <natrium42> yes, that's my understanding as well
[19:49] <Laurenceb> @ is 0x00 isnt it?
[19:49] <natrium42> no
[19:49] <natrium42> there is no symbol for 0x00
[19:50] <Laurenceb> not in ascii
[19:50] <Laurenceb> in the character coding used on phones
[19:50] <natrium42> right, assuming that it's what we are talking about
[19:50] <Laurenceb> actually no
[19:50] <Laurenceb> we're talking about jcoxons terminal
[19:50] <Laurenceb> nvm
[19:50] <Laurenceb> :p
[19:51] <natrium42> i need to shave
[19:51] <Laurenceb> lmao
[19:51] <jcoxon> hmmmm, i'm soo confused
[19:51] <jcoxon> the fact that it sends a character occasionally
[19:51] <jcoxon> could the signals be inverted? or perhaps the baud rate is too slow
[19:51] <Laurenceb> try a loopback test
[19:52] <jcoxon> as in connect rx and tx on the computer side?
[19:52] <jcoxon> done that, it echos correctly
[19:52] <Laurenceb> do you have a voltmeter?
[19:52] <jcoxon> yup
[19:52] <jcoxon> and when i send characters both rx and tx change
[19:53] <Laurenceb> right
[19:53] <Laurenceb> then you have data back
[19:53] <jcoxon> (i can see as my shifter has rx and tx led as well()
[19:53] <jcoxon> so it sounds like baud issues
[19:53] <Laurenceb> maybe
[19:53] <Laurenceb> or maybe your datalink
[19:53] <jcoxon> Laurenceb, if i swap in my gm862-gps module it works fine at 115200
[19:53] <jcoxon> but i remember setting that to avoid the problems of autobauding
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[19:54] <Laurenceb> hello
[19:54] <Laurenceb> wanadoo.fr :P
[19:54] <natrium42> yeah, what's going on?
[19:55] <Laurenceb> edmoore is in france
[19:55] <edmoore> is that what it says?
[19:55] <edmoore> it's very novel - burgundy is a bit backwards and has just got broadband
[19:55] <edmoore> but then france being efficient, it's about 4MBit
[19:56] <edmoore> ad
[19:56] <jcoxon> ooooooo
[19:56] <Laurenceb> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEe78Lv_Uxs
[19:56] <edmoore> and the roads, blimey.
[19:56] <jcoxon> i'm getting more characters
[19:56] <Laurenceb> sorry france made me think of that
[19:56] <edmoore> Laurenceb: you're into rally trippy stuff :p
[19:57] <edmoore> really*
[19:57] <Laurenceb> heh
[19:59] <jcoxon> crap,
[19:59] <jcoxon> if i hold down 'a'
[19:59] <jcoxon> i get `@aa`@@`@`@``a`@@@``a
[19:59] <Laurenceb> sounds like a baud rate or voltage problem
[20:11] <akawaka> doubt you would be seeing the occasional 'a' if it was a baud rate issue
[20:16] <jcoxon> right its echoing correctly now :-)
[20:16] <jcoxon> sorted out a proper 3.3 reg to power the voltage shifter
[20:16] <jcoxon> actually its echoing any character
[20:16] <jcoxon> which is a bit odd
[20:19] <Laurenceb> might need a reboot/reset
[20:23] <jcoxon> woooooooohoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[20:24] <jcoxon> i got it working
[20:24] <jcoxon> different regulator to the level shifter
[20:24] <jcoxon> and swapped a ground wire
[20:24] <Laurenceb> cool
[20:24] <Laurenceb> sounds a bit tempremental
[20:24] <jcoxon> i think the problem was grounding
[20:25] <jcoxon> hence why it was tempremental
[20:25] <Laurenceb> but when you're doing desk based setups you have to be caseful, I've often had problems with ground loops
[20:25] <jcoxon> oh yeah definitely
[20:25] <Laurenceb> e.g laptop gnd vrs power supply gnd ect
[20:26] <Laurenceb> you might even fry things ( luckly hasnt happened to me)
[20:29] <jcoxon> everything is falling into place
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[20:29] <jcoxon> its now registered onto a network
[20:29] <jcoxon> with my simple antenna
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[20:32] <edmoore> have build headphone amps for testing big industrial equipment from laptop souncards
[20:32] <edmoore> massive ground loop issues there
[20:32] <edmoore> how about a 200mW laser to set off cutdowns?
[20:33] <jcoxon> from where to where?
[20:34] <edmoore> payload to cutdown
[20:34] <edmoore> you could ignite the powder inside a tube
[20:34] <edmoore> have just seen vids of people lighting matches inside drinks bottles using the lasers
[20:34] <edmoore> only takes half a sec
[20:36] <jcoxon> i'm now back in a good mood, FHALP-3 is back on
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[20:37] <edmoore> what did you just get working?
[20:37] <jcoxon> the GM862 module
[20:37] <jcoxon> that i thought was dead
[20:38] <jcoxon> its a lot more sensitive then the gm862-gps in regards to serial stuff
[20:38] <Hiena> Good evening!
[20:38] <Laurenceb> edmoore: laser to balloon :P
[20:39] <edmoore> well that too :)
[20:41] <fnoble> a laser is bound to be more unreliable than an electric match
[20:41] <akawaka> laser to ground and then we're really talking
[20:42] <fnoble> and change that 'm' to an upper case
[20:42] <fnoble> :)
[20:45] <edmoore> a ground laser to balloon
[20:45] <edmoore> that'd be fun
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[21:09] <Laurenceb> anyone on here know how to make an image rescale to 100% of the avaliable space in latex?
[21:11] <edmoore> by what - width?
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[22:14] <edmoore> jcoxon: do you like House?
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[22:25] <jcoxon> edmoore, but of course
[22:25] Action: Laurenceb wishes latex could pack things more tightly
[22:25] <edmoore> hahaha
[22:25] <jcoxon> thats sooo wrong
[22:25] <edmoore> that's totally going down in the laurenceb quote page
[22:26] <jcoxon> Laurenceb likes it tight methinks
[22:26] <edmoore> laurenceb on camel toe
[22:26] <Laurenceb> oh god
[22:27] <jcoxon> hehe
[22:27] <jcoxon> right i'm off night all
[22:27] <Laurenceb> cya
[22:28] <Laurenceb> theres huge gaps between my photos :(
[22:28] <jcoxon> oh Bill Brown has postponed his launch
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[22:35] <Laurenceb> edmoore: do you use dvipdfm ?
[22:35] <edmoore> wassat?
[22:35] <edmoore> by which you can infer 'no'
[22:35] <Laurenceb> obviously not :P
[22:35] <Laurenceb> it converts dvi to pdf
[22:35] <edmoore> oh
[22:36] <edmoore> no my distro just spits out pdfs
[22:36] <akawaka> why do radio transmitters always have coils?
[22:36] <edmoore> inductors?
[22:36] <akawaka> yeah
[22:36] <Laurenceb> impedance matching
[22:36] <Laurenceb> filtering
[22:36] <edmoore> to set up a resonant circuit in conjunction with a cap
[22:36] <Laurenceb> power supply noise reduction
[22:36] <edmoore> maybe
[22:37] <Laurenceb> lots of uses
[22:37] <akawaka> http://www.qsl.net/wb5ude/kc6wdk/transmitter.html
[22:37] <Laurenceb> there are other techniques, such a SAW
[22:37] <Laurenceb> that are used in phones and gps recievers
[22:37] <edmoore> 27?
[22:37] <Laurenceb> together with a bit of superhetrodyning
[22:38] <Laurenceb> to make it nice and small
[22:38] <akawaka> edmoore: ohm?
[22:38] <Laurenceb> oh wow
[22:38] <edmoore> but is that the coil?
[22:39] <Laurenceb> this latex document is absolutely perfect
[22:39] <akawaka> no, the coil is L1 and L2
[22:39] <Laurenceb> had to use \columnwidth to resize all the graphics
[22:39] <edmoore> Laurenceb: stick it up and let us enjoy the tex
[22:39] <Laurenceb> the incorrect widths were upsetting it before it seems
[22:40] <Laurenceb> sure, gimme 5
[22:41] <akawaka> all voodoo to me
[22:43] <Laurenceb> http://wiki.ukhas.org.uk/_media/projects:mihab:reportv2.pdf?id=projects%3Aaerosol&cache=cache
[22:44] <Laurenceb> and only one page over the limit :P
[22:45] <edmoore> nice :)
[22:47] <Laurenceb> figure 2 looks a bit poor, I'm going to redo it
[22:48] <edmoore> also fig 5 has some wiggly lines which could be straightened
[22:48] <edmoore> but it reads really well
[22:50] <akawaka> nice!
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[22:50] <akawaka> Conclusions should have a uppercase C in the section heading
[22:51] <Laurenceb> oh yes, thanx for that
[22:51] <Laurenceb> hi RocketBoy
[22:52] <akawaka> looks good
[22:53] <Laurenceb> now I just have to do the appendix, and edit my logbook so it looks like I was working all the days I spent in bed
[22:54] <edmoore> :D
[22:54] <Laurenceb> theres lots of plank pages, especially on mondays and fridays
[22:56] <Laurenceb> RocketBoy: did you find the thermopiles?
[22:56] <edmoore> Laurenceb: I have some
[22:57] <RocketBoy> yep - I just sent u an email
[22:57] <Laurenceb> doh I should check my inbox
[22:58] <Laurenceb> ah cool
[22:58] <Laurenceb> hmm I think that sounds hard
[22:58] <RocketBoy> whay happened to snox V?
[22:58] <Laurenceb> also, if anything goes wrong you cant look at the board
[22:59] <Laurenceb> hence why I was thinking of fixing the board to the lid
[22:59] <Laurenceb> snox landed
[22:59] <Laurenceb> they think a seam broke
[23:00] <RocketBoy> :-(
[23:00] <Laurenceb> plastic welding is an art
[23:00] <Laurenceb> or at least thats how it seams to me
[23:01] <edmoore> it's the thermal stresses just either side of the weld what normally getcha
[23:01] <Laurenceb> get it?
[23:01] <edmoore> good pun, btw
[23:01] <Laurenceb> :P
[23:01] <edmoore> all our failures were from the contraction of the plastic either side of the weld area
[23:02] <Laurenceb> when I've tried it, I've always ended up with small holes in the weld area
[23:02] <edmoore> gotta turn the heat down :)
[23:02] <edmoore> we had a problem especially at the ends
[23:02] <edmoore> if we got a hole in the weld area, it was at the ends
[23:03] <edmoore> i guess it might be the temperature gradient causing the stress which makes a hole
[23:03] <edmoore> but that's a guess
[23:03] <Laurenceb> I'm guessing your welding device gave off too much radiant and convected heat, and mine (soldering iron with teflon bit) was too hot
[23:03] <Laurenceb> so you had to move it at the right speed, which was hard by heand
[23:03] <Laurenceb> hand*
[23:04] <Laurenceb> a temerature controlled iron with teflon bit might work well
[23:05] <Laurenceb> but being able to do long sections at a go is a big plus
[23:06] <Laurenceb> RocketBoy: as soon as I've got my finances settled, I should be able to put through this big farnell order, then I'll post the pcb and stuff off to you
[23:06] <edmoore> pot pot pot pot
[23:07] <Laurenceb> pot?
[23:08] <Laurenceb> no thats not what I spend my student loan on
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[23:10] <RocketBoy> so what sort of tempreture do you want for plastic welding - just above melting point?
[23:12] <Laurenceb> think so but I'm no expert
[23:16] <RocketBoy> I guess what you need is a tempreture and possibly pressure gradient - so that the outer edge is hotter/under more pressure than the inner - that way the innde edge of the weld would be under the minimum stress.
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[23:17] <RocketBoy> innde = inner
[23:18] <edmoore> RocketBoy: yes. we tuned the relay on-time until the welds just started coming out clear (i.e. it melted evenly all the way through)
[23:18] <edmoore> the load tape is pretty key and makes the system actually quite robust to variation in temperature
[23:19] <edmoore> we had problems when we strayed close to the edge of the tape
[23:20] <RocketBoy> I also noticed that the seam on "foil" balloons has a knurled appaerance - which suggests the seam is rolled with knurled rollers
[23:20] <edmoore> that's interesting....
[23:20] <Laurenceb> you can get teflon roller bits for irons
[23:20] <Laurenceb> to weld plastic
[23:21] <RocketBoy> don't get it too hot though
[23:21] <Laurenceb> I'm sure I was a device with a heated teflon roller then motorised rollers to feed through the plastic
[23:21] <Laurenceb> so the speed is constant
[23:22] <Laurenceb> saw*
[23:24] <RocketBoy> night chaps
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[23:32] <Laurenceb> I dont believe it: all the layout has gone wrong again
[23:33] <Laurenceb> it seems to be a slight problem with the way latex tries to stick images as close to where they are in the text as possible
[23:33] <Laurenceb> making it a bit more lax would help a lot
[23:35] <edmoore> woah there lb
[23:35] <edmoore> this is like heresy
[23:35] <edmoore> by *very* careful before you question Knuth code
[23:35] <Laurenceb> lol
[23:35] <edmoore> tex is used to test pascal compilers - the code is that perfect
[23:36] <Laurenceb> I'm sure its just some coefficients it uses to optimise the image placement
[23:36] <Laurenceb> I want to slaken it off a bit, so it can find a better alignment at the expense of greater distance form text to image
[23:44] Action: Laurenceb cheats and uses \vspace{5pt}
[23:59] <Laurenceb> ooh cambridge to the rescue
[23:59] <Laurenceb> http://www-h.eng.cam.ac.uk/help/tpl/textprocessing/squeeze.html
[23:59] <edmoore> good old cambridge engineering dept
[23:59] <edmoore> :p
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