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[02:17] <edmoore> natrium42: did you get anything?
[02:18] <natrium42> nah, my focus was off
[02:18] <natrium42> going to try again in 12 mins
[02:21] <edmoore> what could you see with the naked eye?
[02:37] <natrium42> edmoore, now it worked
[02:37] <natrium42> i think
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[02:38] <natrium42> edmoore, you have never seen the station (or any satellite for that matter) with the naked eye??
[02:39] <edmoore> plenty of times
[02:39] <edmoore> but i wonder if you can faintly make out the atv too
[02:39] <natrium42> yes
[02:39] <natrium42> i saw both of them
[02:40] <natrium42> atv was in the front
[02:40] <natrium42> yesterday it was in the back
[02:40] <edmoore> that must look amazing
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[02:41] <natrium42> grr, my focus was off again :(
[02:41] <natrium42> i see washed out line
[02:41] <natrium42> (30s exposure)
[02:42] <natrium42> tomorrow is another day
[02:42] <edmoore> have you seen those photos of it silhouetted in the sun?
[02:42] <natrium42> yeah, those are awesome
[02:44] <natrium42> i shot ISS successfully a few years ago --> http://natrium42.com/gallery2/v/astronomy/ISS.JPG.html
[02:45] <edmoore> awesome :)
[02:45] <natrium42> thx
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[03:42] <natrium42> interesting, there is a PPP stack for AVR
[04:02] <sYx66> can you take a picture through your telescope?
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[04:58] <natrium42> sYx66, i would have to guide it by hand...
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[08:02] <Hiena> Good morning!
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[12:28] <Laurenceb> welcome to bst
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[15:06] <fnoble> edmoore: you here?
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[15:11] <jcoxon> hey edmoore
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[15:23] <Laurenceb_> hi all
[15:23] <jcoxon_> hey Laurenceb_
[15:26] <Laurenceb_> http://www.fmft.net/pirates%20are%20cool.jpg
[15:28] <Laurenceb_> actually this is funnier http://www.fmft.net/UK%20Roadworks%20Idiots%20Workmen.jpg
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[16:06] <fuzzylugnut> :3
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[16:10] <fuzzylugnut> I'm designing the IO buffer board today, maybe the sensor board if I get around to it. That leaves the RF comm board and then its ready to fly ^_^
[16:20] <jcoxon> bbl
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[16:21] <edmoore> fnoble: am here now
[16:24] <fnoble> hello
[16:24] <edmoore> hi
[16:24] <fnoble> i think that problem in the email is identical to ours
[16:24] <fnoble> atleast it failed on the same function using the same type of card
[16:24] <edmoore> yes, this is what i thought but didn't elaborate much as I sent it from my ipod, where brevity is a virtue
[16:24] <fnoble> with the same error returned
[16:25] <fnoble> so im guessing you decided to get a touch then :)
[16:25] <edmoore> :D
[16:25] <edmoore> it's amazing
[16:25] <edmoore> could replace my laptop for about 50% of what I do
[16:26] <edmoore> So I'll keep track of progress with that one
[16:28] <fuzzylugnut> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1980288010579294211
[16:28] <edmoore> Laurenceb_: those atmega168s are nice bits of kit!
[16:29] <edmoore> I like the simplicity of of the in system reprogramming - you could do all sorts of stuff like upload new flight firmware over satt-phone during a trans atlantic attempt, say
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[16:31] <edmoore> fuzzylugnut: awesome :)
[16:31] <fuzzylugnut> just your daily dose of pyro ;P
[16:32] <edmoore> keeps the doctor away
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[16:43] <Laurenceb> hi again all
[16:43] <edmoore> hello
[16:43] <Laurenceb> I'm just sending off the order to batchpcb, anyone want a radio board?
[16:43] <Laurenceb> I'm ordering 3 atm
[16:44] <Laurenceb> £2.50 for anyone whos interested
[16:44] <edmoore> s'ok ty, will hold off on pcb purchases for a bit
[16:44] <edmoore> wow, that is cheap
[16:46] <Laurenceb> I'm getting nervous...
[16:46] Action: Laurenceb checks the boards again
[16:46] <fuzzylugnut> good, that'll keep you on your toes : )
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[16:47] <edmoore> hi jcoxon
[16:48] <jcoxon> oooo hey
[16:48] <jcoxon> got something to show you
[16:48] <jcoxon> one sec uploading
[16:50] <jcoxon> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jcoxon77/2373496641/?rotated=1&cb=1206892203752
[16:50] <Laurenceb> well it looks in order...
[16:50] <Laurenceb> can you get smd bi colour leds?
[16:51] <fuzzylugnut> Hey cool
[16:51] <edmoore> jcoxon: you'll have to help me out here
[16:51] <jcoxon> whats up?
[16:51] <edmoore> with that it is!
[16:51] <edmoore> a radio altimeter?
[16:52] <edmoore> with what*
[16:52] <jcoxon> its a WWII altimeter, actually its just the gauge, if you turn the Range thingy it shifts to 10s
[16:52] <jcoxon> its early positioning gauge, using a sort of sonar system to judge their altitude
[16:52] <jcoxon> so you could do low flying bombing runs
[16:53] <edmoore> do you reckon it could be converted/confused into showing km for balloon flights?
[16:53] <jcoxon> already done it
[16:53] <jcoxon> haha
[16:53] <edmoore> :p shouldn't have even asked
[16:53] <jcoxon> attached it to my arduino
[16:54] <jcoxon> basically its altitude in hundreds of feet
[16:54] <jcoxon> though only goes up to 40,000ft
[16:54] <jcoxon> so after 40k ft we could shift it to km
[16:54] <edmoore> that's fine if it's meters
[16:54] <edmoore> what's its input?
[16:55] <jcoxon> so right now if you pass a 3 dig number down the 'serial' port it'll shift to that point
[16:55] <jcoxon> between 41 and 180
[16:55] <edmoore> awesome :)
[16:55] <jcoxon> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jcoxon77/2373510449/
[16:55] <edmoore> jcoxon: are you busy this eve?
[16:55] <jcoxon> in theory no
[16:55] <jcoxon> pourquoi?
[16:56] <edmoore> was tempted to head borrough way
[16:56] <jcoxon> oh cool
[16:56] <edmoore> am getting cabin fever at home
[16:56] <jcoxon> haha
[16:56] <edmoore> too much revision and electronics
[16:56] <jcoxon> well there is a really nice pub near me if you want to venture
[16:56] <jcoxon> on the river
[16:56] <edmoore> what's it called?
[16:56] <Laurenceb> I know the feeling :P
[16:57] <Laurenceb> jcoxon: careful that theres no radium in that thing
[16:57] <jcoxon> the Mayflower
[16:57] <jcoxon> oh there probably is
[16:57] <edmoore> I went to on by tate modern the other day which was really nice, and only a coupla mins from the station
[16:58] <jcoxon> or i can come and meet you around London Bridge or Borough
[16:58] <edmoore> lemme just see how crap the trains are toay....
[16:58] <jcoxon> Laurenceb, and i thought about bring my radiation meter back from home this morning
[16:58] <Laurenceb> is it worth going for express mail international?
[16:58] <Laurenceb> or just first class international (cheaper)
[16:59] <Laurenceb> jcoxon: if it glows in the dark, bad news
[16:59] <edmoore> oh dod they're awful
[17:00] <edmoore> must be engineering works
[17:00] <jcoxon> Laurenceb, it doesn't glow, its 73 years old
[17:00] <jcoxon> even in pitch black
[17:01] <edmoore> and last train at 10
[17:01] <edmoore> might have to take a rain check
[17:01] <fuzzylugnut> worried about it being a radium dial?
[17:01] <jcoxon> fuzzylugnut, it probably is a radium dial
[17:01] <jcoxon> its teh right age
[17:02] <jcoxon> edmoore, no problem - i was on the trains for 3 hours today
[17:02] <fuzzylugnut> *nod*
[17:02] <jcoxon> but it doesn't glow and i'm not going to hug it :-)
[17:02] <fuzzylugnut> I collect the Westclox big ben clocks with the original radium paint.
[17:03] <jcoxon> god, the x-ray dosages i get in hospital...
[17:03] <Laurenceb> bah I think I'll have to go for express mail
[17:03] <Laurenceb> :/
[17:03] <fuzzylugnut> jcoxon: patient scatter? do you do fluoroscopy?
[17:03] <Laurenceb> it would be nice if you could add sparkfun orders to it
[17:03] <edmoore> jcoxon: could you sneak pcbs in? to check qulaity of soldering and stuff in 4 -layer boarda?
[17:04] <Laurenceb> hehe
[17:04] <jcoxon> edmoore, hehe, i'm not sure the radiologist would be too happy
[17:04] <jcoxon> they are grumpy at the best of times
[17:04] <jcoxon> the cool thing they have right now is the mobile MRI scanner in the trailer of a lorry
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[17:04] <fuzzylugnut> cool
[17:05] <edmoore> I'll ask my local dentist
[17:05] <edmoore> he calls me 'mate' and tries to be down-with-the-kids
[17:05] <fuzzylugnut> haha...
[17:06] <edmoore> I'll abuse that
[17:06] <fuzzylugnut> : )
[17:06] <jcoxon> actually i'm more worried about the x-rays produced by my old barco triple tube CRT projector
[17:06] <fuzzylugnut> lol
[17:06] <edmoore> that thing is amazing
[17:06] <fuzzylugnut> any pics?
[17:07] <fuzzylugnut> radiation is my profession btw, I'm a health physicist
[17:08] <jcoxon> fuzzylugnut, cool, i shall have to look, each tube has enormous warnings on it
[17:08] <fuzzylugnut> "do not place forehead here" /
[17:08] <fuzzylugnut> ?
[17:08] <fuzzylugnut> :3
[17:09] <jcoxon> i don't have any pics
[17:09] <jcoxon> sorry
[17:09] <fuzzylugnut> aww ok
[17:09] <Laurenceb> $70 :(
[17:09] <Laurenceb> postage is over half the cost :(
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[17:11] <jcoxon> fuzzylugnut, i've been doing gastro stuff - its funny how much more power they need for abdominal xrays compared to chest xrays
[17:11] <jcoxon> the doctors actually try and limit how often you get them
[17:11] <Laurenceb> oh well thats just £36
[17:13] <Laurenceb> done it :/
[17:13] <Laurenceb> hopefully the pcbs will be here in a few weeks
[17:13] <fuzzylugnut> jcoxon: you're x-raying a very radiation sensitive area when you do the gut, so thats why they are trying to "limit". By more power do you mean a higher kvp or larger current?
[17:14] <jcoxon> fuzzylugnut, from what i understand (and we only interpret the results) its because teh chest has alot more airspace therefore better penetration
[17:15] <jcoxon> i'm not sure what i mean by power :-)
[17:15] <Laurenceb> energy/time
[17:15] <Laurenceb> :D
[17:15] <fuzzylugnut> ok : ) and yeah, you're right about the voids in the chest.
[17:17] <jcoxon> right, i'll bbl
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[17:24] <Laurenceb> bbl
[17:45] <fuzzylugnut> I just made up a 6.6V 4.6Ah battery pack for my balloons flight computer : P
[17:46] <fuzzylugnut> slightly overkill....
[17:48] <Laurenceb> edmoore: how do you program avrs ?
[17:55] <Laurenceb> I've been trying an AN911 programmer with avrdude under ubuntu, flashes a mega168 is 2.2 seconds :P
[18:12] <fuzzylugnut> *uses AVRISP-MKII
[18:14] <Laurenceb> the official atmel one?
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[18:14] <fuzzylugnut> Yeah
[18:36] <Laurenceb> how fast is it?
[18:37] <fuzzylugnut> depends on your project's clock speed
[18:38] <fuzzylugnut> I set mine at 500khz for a 16Mhz target clock. It flashes pretty quick
[18:38] <fuzzylugnut> faster than it takes me to get up and get a beer : )
[18:39] <Laurenceb> ah interesting
[18:39] <Laurenceb> I'd forgotten about that
[18:40] <fuzzylugnut> I think the rule is the ISP has to be at least less than 1/4 of the target, so I could probably go faster, but don't really need it
[18:40] <Laurenceb> since I started using an AN911 programmer... I think its handled differently
[18:40] <Laurenceb> yes
[18:40] <Laurenceb> has been a while since I was worrying about that
[18:41] <Laurenceb> http://imagebin.org/15355
[18:42] <Laurenceb> ^ that board has the flashing pins at the side
[18:42] <fuzzylugnut> is that an eagle snapshot?
[18:42] <Laurenceb> yes
[18:42] <Laurenceb> I was jamming in a 0.1'' header to flash the radios, but I fried one like that :/
[18:43] <fuzzylugnut> awww
[18:43] <Laurenceb> the Vcc came out of contact, frying the chip
[18:43] <Laurenceb> luckly the programmer seems to be ok
[18:43] <fuzzylugnut> yeah
[18:43] <Laurenceb> looks like I'll have to solder wires on to flash them in future
[18:44] <fuzzylugnut> you could always get a little flex cable if you're looking for low profile
[18:45] <Laurenceb> well it will be desoldered once its flashed
[18:45] <Laurenceb> or more likely when I finally manage to write fully functional firmware
[18:45] <fuzzylugnut> right, but if you wanted something that you didn't have to resolder every time for updating
[18:45] <Laurenceb> http://wiki.ukhas.org.uk/_media/projects:dscn0957.jpg <--- thats the board (version 1)
[18:45] <fuzzylugnut> its just a suggestion
[18:45] <Laurenceb> yes
[18:46] <fuzzylugnut> cute little radio
[18:47] <Laurenceb> I want to make this a pretty standard device, just plug it in and give it 3 to 5v and 4800 baud serial
[18:47] <fuzzylugnut> *nods*
[18:48] <Laurenceb> radio module stacks on top like so http://wiki.ukhas.org.uk/_media/projects:dscn0979.jpg?cache=cache
[18:48] <fuzzylugnut> the only distributor for radiometrix around here is Lemos International. They've been shit to deal with, even though they ended up donating a UHX-1 to my group
[18:49] <Laurenceb> the v2 board has a regulator and only one pot (to set the channel spacing)
[18:49] <fuzzylugnut> you UK have it lucky
[18:49] <Laurenceb> why not email radiometrix?
[18:49] <Laurenceb> and see if they will send to the states?
[18:49] <fuzzylugnut> I'll end up going through them directly eventually, when I need their stuff again
[18:51] <Laurenceb> I've just ordered three of those boards... hopefully they will arrive this time
[18:51] <fuzzylugnut> when are you launching?
[18:52] <Laurenceb> wel I will probably launch the aerosol hab over summer
[18:52] <fuzzylugnut> ah ok
[18:52] <fuzzylugnut> a ways off
[18:52] <Laurenceb> and then hopefully have a glider ready over summer too
[18:52] <fuzzylugnut> that'll be enat
[18:52] <fuzzylugnut> *neat
[18:53] <Laurenceb> I've ordered two of the flight computer boards
[18:53] <Laurenceb> for thermopile guided UAVs
[18:53] <Laurenceb> and the firmware is a good way to being ready
[18:54] <fuzzylugnut> that's good
[18:55] <Laurenceb> do you have farnell in the us ?
[18:56] <fuzzylugnut> I'm not sure
[18:56] <fuzzylugnut> is that like Radio SHack/
[18:56] <fuzzylugnut> ?
[18:56] <Laurenceb> no
[18:56] <Laurenceb> http://uk.farnell.com/
[18:56] <fuzzylugnut> it appears we do
[18:57] <Laurenceb> ha good news for you
[18:57] <fuzzylugnut> I use digikey for 99$ of the stuff
[18:57] <fuzzylugnut> er
[18:57] <fuzzylugnut> 99% of the stuff I need
[18:58] <fuzzylugnut> sometimes newark or mouser too
[18:58] <Laurenceb> ah
[18:59] <Laurenceb> newark is farnell usa
[18:59] <fuzzylugnut> oooh, ok : )
[19:11] <edmoore> digikey rocks
[19:11] <edmoore> Farnell isn't too bad either
[19:11] <edmoore> Laurenceb: to answer you earlier q: usbasp
[19:11] <edmoore> with avrdude
[19:14] <Laurenceb> not bad
[19:14] <Laurenceb> hadnt come across it before
[19:17] <edmoore> oh it's great
[19:17] <edmoore> love it
[19:22] <Laurenceb> I'm trying to find a smd bicolour led
[19:22] <Laurenceb> without sucess :/
[19:22] <Laurenceb> http://uk.farnell.com/8530165/optoelectronics/product.us0?sku=KINGBRIGHT-KPBA-3010ESGC-F01
[19:22] <Laurenceb> ^ found that but the cathodes are tied
[19:23] <fuzzylugnut> why's that a prob?
[19:25] <Laurenceb> I want to run it off two io pins
[19:25] <Laurenceb> http://uk.farnell.com/1318239/optoelectronics/product.us0?sku=KINGBRIGHT-KAA-3528ESGC
[19:25] <Laurenceb> would work, but its a bit wide
[19:25] <fuzzylugnut> that would be fine with a common cathode
[19:30] <Laurenceb> not with my pcb design
[19:30] <Laurenceb> but it looks like the second one will fit, just
[19:31] <Laurenceb> I should have thought of that beforehand
[19:31] <Laurenceb> bi colour leds are bigger
[19:32] <fuzzylugnut> thats one reason why I like making my own boards
[19:32] <fuzzylugnut> I can just make up another if I change something
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[19:33] <Laurenceb> hello RocketBoy
[19:33] <RocketBoy> hiya
[19:33] <Laurenceb> hows things?
[19:35] <RocketBoy> yeah Ok - a bit tired - I drove 5 hours yesterday and 5 hours today
[19:35] <Laurenceb> ouch
[19:35] <Laurenceb> where?
[19:36] <RocketBoy> Exeter
[19:37] <Laurenceb> doesnt sound too bad
[19:37] <Laurenceb> but I guess there and back is a trial
[19:37] <RocketBoy> yep
[19:37] <Laurenceb> I've ordered a bunch of pcbs
[19:37] <Laurenceb> three of these http://imagebin.org/15355
[19:37] <RocketBoy> I'll take a deco
[19:37] <Laurenceb> and some flight computer boards for a UAV
[19:39] <RocketBoy> cool
[19:40] <Laurenceb> I'm just checking out farnell for the compnents...
[19:46] <RocketBoy> so was the problem hardware on the V1 radio board?
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[19:47] <Laurenceb> the second pot wasnt needed
[19:47] <Laurenceb> and one header for the radio was reversed
[19:48] <Laurenceb> I've also added a regulator and zener diode on the serial input
[19:49] <RocketBoy> Ah ok - nothing major then
[19:54] <fuzzylugnut> RocketBoy: http://24.116.155.170/arches_spring/arches.html
[19:54] <fuzzylugnut> with that qrp rig and a dipole 3ft off the ground I made a contact all the way to florida on 20m
[20:00] <RocketBoy> looks like fun - so what are the 1st 2 photos of?
[20:00] <fuzzylugnut> oh, heh.... thats my atas-120A HF cartop antenna that I thought was malfunctioning
[20:01] <fuzzylugnut> turns out it was an I D 10 T problem with me ; )
[20:01] <RocketBoy> so what band is that for?
[20:02] <fuzzylugnut> the last pic is of some water I got out of damp sand by digging a hole in it because the spring in "Lost Spring Canyon" is either really lost or really well hidden, and I needed water.
[20:02] <fuzzylugnut> I can tune it from 40 - 6m
[20:02] <fuzzylugnut> it'll do vhf and uhf too, but you need a duplexer
[20:04] <RocketBoy> yu would need to be keen to drink that water
[20:05] <fuzzylugnut> I used alot of iodine
[20:05] <fuzzylugnut> it tasted like rotting wood smells, but it hydrates.
[20:05] <fuzzylugnut> I rather drink that than some city water I've tasted.
[20:07] <RocketBoy> yeah - depending where U are
[20:08] <fuzzylugnut> *nod*
[20:08] <fuzzylugnut> it was fun, though it would have been better if my buddy didn't ditch at the last minute
[20:09] <edmoore> bbc1
[20:09] <edmoore> so cool
[20:09] <fuzzylugnut> elephants and tigers?
[20:09] <edmoore> trunk-cam!
[20:09] <fuzzylugnut> lol
[20:10] Action: Laurenceb wishes he had a working TV
[20:10] <edmoore> Laurenceb: they are getting amazing footage with a tracked pan-tilt camera disguised as a tree-stump
[20:11] <edmoore> a trained elephant drops it into position
[20:11] <edmoore> then it drives around
[20:11] <RocketBoy> BBL - the XYL says I need a shower (yuch)
[20:11] <Laurenceb> nice
[20:12] <Laurenceb> hmm the vertical scan coil seems to be broken
[20:12] <Laurenceb> I get a horizontal line unless its given a bit of mallet treatment
[20:15] <Laurenceb> the colours go off as well
[20:16] <Laurenceb> I suspected a crack on the pcb, but everything is probably pretty knackered in there
[20:18] <Laurenceb> wow http://24.116.155.170/craters/IMG_0360.JPG
[20:19] <Laurenceb> ^ guess you need to be careful walking around there
[20:21] <fuzzylugnut> Yeah, you can go in the lava tubes, but there is alot of rocks on the ground that were originally on the ceiling : )
[20:25] <fuzzylugnut> one of our balloons landed in a lava flow a few miles out
[20:25] <fuzzylugnut> the chase guys said it sucked hiking out over all those boulder
[20:26] <Laurenceb> http://www.sallymosley.co.uk/the%20sleeping%20dragon.jpg
[20:26] <Laurenceb> ^ thats about as interesting as it gets round here
[20:26] <fuzzylugnut> thats still pretty nice
[20:27] <Laurenceb> thats a couple of miles from my house
[20:27] <fuzzylugnut> neat : )
[20:28] <Laurenceb> http://www.bbc.co.uk/stoke/content/images/2007/01/11/dovedale_thorpe_birtwistle_01_420x315.jpg
[20:29] <fuzzylugnut> pretty ; )
[20:29] <Laurenceb> I've done some glider tests off there :P
[20:29] <fuzzylugnut> Cool
[20:30] <Laurenceb> well if something goes wrong and it does a 180 degree turn, you might lose it :/
[20:30] <fuzzylugnut> loose it where?
[20:30] <Laurenceb> on the cliff face
[20:31] <fuzzylugnut> oh, is that a canyon?
[20:31] <fuzzylugnut> I thought it was a river
[20:32] <Laurenceb> wel theres a cliff just in front of where the photographers standing
[20:32] <fuzzylugnut> ah ok
[20:44] <RocketBoy> ah thats better time for Harvey Wallbanger
[20:46] <RocketBoy> say fuzzylugwhatsit - how about teaching these non ham types the Q-codes - I think it should be mandatory for IRC
[20:46] <fuzzylugnut> lol
[20:47] <fuzzylugnut> like QRM and QTH?
[20:47] <fuzzylugnut> and QRZ?
[20:47] <RocketBoy> yeah QRP QRK QRO
[20:47] <fuzzylugnut> I don't know all of them
[20:48] <RocketBoy> so QRP = low power
[20:48] <fuzzylugnut> well yeah
[20:48] <RocketBoy> QRK high power (or money)
[20:48] <fuzzylugnut> whats QRK and QRO?
[20:48] <fuzzylugnut> ahh
[20:48] <RocketBoy> QTH = location
[20:48] <RocketBoy> QRZ - who is that
[20:49] <fuzzylugnut> QRFZ
[20:49] <fuzzylugnut> who the fuck is that?
[20:49] <fuzzylugnut> ; P
[20:49] <RocketBoy> ha ha
[20:49] <RocketBoy> HI = laugh
[20:49] <edmoore> QSR= change freq?
[20:49] <RocketBoy> YL = young lady = girlfriend
[20:50] <RocketBoy> XYL = X YL = wife
[20:50] <fuzzylugnut> haha
[20:50] <RocketBoy> QSY was frequency change I thought
[20:50] <RocketBoy> 73s = best wishes
[20:50] <edmoore> i made it up
[20:50] <fuzzylugnut> lol
[20:50] <edmoore> or at least, couldn't remember
[20:51] <edmoore> they kept saying these things in the spirit of knoxville tracking channel
[20:51] <fuzzylugnut> knoxxville?
[20:51] <RocketBoy> yeah - its way cool to have another language
[20:51] <fuzzylugnut> thats where I'm moving to in a few months
[20:51] <fuzzylugnut> haha, yeajh
[20:51] <RocketBoy> (or morse)
[20:52] <fuzzylugnut> I have yet to learn cw.
[20:52] <fuzzylugnut> I'm happy with ssb right now.
[20:52] <RocketBoy> the local hams used to tell jokes in morse down the pub (bar)
[20:53] <RocketBoy> dar di dar dit and all that
[20:53] <fuzzylugnut> *nod*
[20:54] <RocketBoy> the idea of the Q codes was to be able to hold a conversation with someone who didn't speak your language
[20:54] <fuzzylugnut> ah, neat
[20:54] <RocketBoy> a QSO in fact
[20:55] <RocketBoy> I always thought it should have been used for people who text and/or IRC
[20:56] <fuzzylugnut> it would be nice if you're a ham
[20:58] <RocketBoy> BBL (film)
[20:58] <fuzzylugnut> ok
[20:58] <fuzzylugnut> I'm going to see 21 later
[20:58] <edmoore> wassat?
[20:59] <fuzzylugnut> its about a college kids that counts cards in vegas to pay for college
[20:59] <edmoore> oh the MIT thingy?
[20:59] <fuzzylugnut> yeah
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[21:05] <edmoore> have gone for The Office
[21:06] <fuzzylugnut> AHAHHAA
[21:06] <fuzzylugnut> the tv series "The Office" ?
[21:06] <edmoore> yes
[21:07] <fuzzylugnut> the closest town I grew up next to was scranton : )
[21:07] <edmoore> what's that?
[21:07] <Laurenceb> this is funny http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9Za1JOa65k
[21:07] <natrium42> fuzzylugnut, UK The Office is different to the USA one
[21:08] <fuzzylugnut> ohhh....
[21:08] <edmoore> I *adore* peep show
[21:08] <edmoore> Yeah it was a bit wierd
[21:08] Action: natrium42 slaps fuzzylugnut around a bit with a trout
[21:08] <edmoore> there was the UK office created by Ricky Gervais
[21:08] <fuzzylugnut> mmmm, trout.
[21:08] <edmoore> then they sold it to the US which used exactly the same script for a few episodes, then it went in it's own direction
[21:08] <fuzzylugnut> lol
[21:08] <edmoore> I do really like the US office
[21:09] <fuzzylugnut> cool : )
[21:10] <fuzzylugnut> scranton, Pa is about 13 miles from where I grew up
[21:10] <fuzzylugnut> went there all the time.
[21:10] <natrium42> did you visit the set?
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[21:11] <edmoore> I've gone old fashioned
[21:11] <edmoore> I quite like through-hole stuff
[21:11] <fuzzylugnut> natrium42: no, I've been in idaho and tennesee for 3 years
[21:11] <natrium42> edmoore, noooo
[21:12] <fuzzylugnut> I love Black Books
[21:13] <edmoore> bill bailey is my favourite comedian
[21:13] <fuzzylugnut> hehe
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[21:32] <Laurenceb> haha from #electronics "what kind of firepower would i need to destroy the nimitz ?"
[21:32] <Laurenceb> " i just hate the cruise missiles you kept sending on my villages"
[21:36] <Laurenceb> I hope it a joke :P
[21:37] <Laurenceb> you get some nutters oon IRC :P
[21:41] Action: fuzzylugnut needs more solder paste again.
[21:42] <Laurenceb> ebay?
[21:42] <fuzzylugnut> yep
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[21:45] <Laurenceb> IRC cracks me up :P
[21:46] <fuzzylugnut> Hyena : )
[21:46] <jcoxon> RocketBoy, haha did you finally get some GU
[21:46] <Hiena> Good evening!
[21:47] <rcaron> evening Hiena
[21:48] <fuzzylugnut> I wish I could get gu here.
[21:48] <fuzzylugnut> that box looks sexeh.
[21:50] <edmoore> I love gu!
[21:50] <edmoore> mmmmmmmm
[21:50] <fuzzylugnut> gu needs love tu ; P
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[21:55] <Laurenceb> GU ?
[21:56] <edmoore> yes, here's looking at gu
[21:56] <edmoore> are gu feeling lucky, punk?
[21:58] <Laurenceb> I'm confused
[21:58] <edmoore> http://wheresthesausage.typepad.com/my_weblog/2006/10/gu_ice_cream_pr_1.html
[21:58] <edmoore> really nice icecream
[21:59] <edmoore> but it comes in a brilliant high quality polystyrene cube
[21:59] <edmoore> which we're using as the atlas payload case
[21:59] <edmoore> 11cm side, about 1cm thick
[21:59] <Laurenceb> lmao
[22:00] Action: Laurenceb was eating some about 5 minutes ago
[22:00] <edmoore> some gu icecream?
[22:00] <Laurenceb> on offer at sainsburys :P
[22:00] <edmoore> :o
[22:00] <edmoore> get some!
[22:00] <Laurenceb> bbl
[22:00] <edmoore> it's a super super payload case
[22:01] <fuzzylugnut> ;_; I covet your gu...
[22:01] <edmoore> mmmm
[22:01] <Laurenceb> guess mine was a different size
[22:01] <edmoore> i might go and get some
[22:01] <Laurenceb> no useful case to be had
[22:01] <Laurenceb> bbl
[22:02] <edmoore> oh well
[22:03] <fuzzylugnut> the house-insulation foam board works pretty good
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[22:24] <fuzzylugnut> I'm looking for some lucky theater major to give about $300 worth of Smooth-On SFX silicone and pigmants to
[22:28] <edmoore> to?
[22:29] <fuzzylugnut> as in I'm giving it to them
[22:29] <edmoore> oh i see
[22:29] <edmoore> ending a sentence with a preposition :p
[23:02] <edmoore> i've put my grammar pedantry away
[23:02] <fuzzylugnut> ok good : )
[23:04] <edmoore> I'm going to try and flash an atmega over gsm
[23:04] <fuzzylugnut> Cool : )
[23:05] <edmoore> I want to be like those nasa types who keep uploading new firmware to far away rovers
[23:05] <fuzzylugnut> Yeah, that was a freekin awesome stunt
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[23:06] <fuzzylugnut> do you have checksum software built in?
[23:06] <edmoore> well this is what I'll have to do, yeah
[23:07] <fuzzylugnut> that'll be fun. good luck
[23:08] <edmoore> ty!
[23:09] <fuzzylugnut> what is the go-between device between the gsm module and the device that you're flashing?
[23:09] <edmoore> a supervisor IC of some sort
[23:09] <fuzzylugnut> ok
[23:10] <edmoore> probably another avr - I'm trying to get some reed solomon stuff going in matlab - there's an example based around the error checking that CDs use
[23:10] <fuzzylugnut> does Kermit have an error correction scheme built into it, if you try to transfer stuff over a shady connection?
[23:11] <edmoore> oh all desperately shady :)
[23:11] <fuzzylugnut> does it, though? I seem to remember an error count or something when you send a file with it
[23:12] <edmoore> well in a few mins I'll have it set upo to send a bunch of stuff and if they have the same md5s then I might just not bother with my own
[23:12] <edmoore> but you'd want to be fairly sure...
[23:12] <fuzzylugnut> yeah
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[23:14] <edmoore> this is just me messing about anyway. i'm not quite at the level of sophistication where this kind of stuff would actually be needed
[23:14] <fnoble> hello
[23:15] <fuzzylugnut> Hi
[23:15] <edmoore> hi
[23:15] <fuzzylugnut> edmoore: Ok, well good luck with whatever you mess around with, something good might come from it that you can use later on
[23:15] <edmoore> fazackerly
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[23:26] <edmoore> oh yummy - a library for booting off an sd card
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[23:27] <fuzzylugnut> Cool
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[23:33] <edmoore> I love these nasa and naca papers from the 60s
[23:33] <edmoore> 'a simulation was programmed on the digital computer...'
[23:34] <edmoore> and they really mean 'the' digital computer
[23:34] <fuzzylugnut> lol
[23:34] <fuzzylugnut> yeah
[23:36] <Laurenceb> edmoore: theres reed solomon code on the wiki
[23:36] <Laurenceb> I wrote it :P
[23:36] <edmoore> it's easier to write your own stuff from the maths, I find
[23:36] <edmoore> you learn it better that way anyway
[23:36] <Laurenceb> yes
[23:36] <Laurenceb> i havent a clue how it works :P
[23:37] <edmoore> lol
[23:37] <Laurenceb> just based it on a few example programs
[23:37] <edmoore> yeah i'm determined to comprehend this
[23:37] <Laurenceb> good luck
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[23:38] <Laurenceb> the cool thing is that reed solomon will usually tell you if theres errors
[23:38] <Laurenceb> I'm not sure how foolproof that is
[23:38] <Laurenceb> my code lets you know where it detected and corrected errors, or if it was unrecoverable
[23:39] <Laurenceb> I'm guessing reed solomon + md5 has you sorted
[23:44] <Laurenceb> so how are you going to send the data over gsm? a data call?
[23:46] <edmoore> yes
[23:46] <edmoore> my compsci friend just included this in an email:
[23:46] <edmoore> Does it bother you, as an engineer, that there may be a parallel universe where screws are threaded in the opposite direction to the ones in this universe? I was thinking about this earlier when I was screwing things.
[23:49] <edmoore> Laurenceb: this isn't for anything in particular, just for fun. May be useful one day, as fuzzylugnut says
[23:50] <edmoore> amazing
[23:50] <edmoore> http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2008/03/stop_motion_tron_sequence.html
[23:51] <fuzzylugnut> YESSSS.. Yeahhhhhhhhhhh : ) I loooooooooove tron.
[23:51] <fuzzylugnut> I used to play Armagetron alot
[23:53] <fuzzylugnut> http://24.116.155.170/trak/tracker.html
[23:53] <fuzzylugnut> also, I replaced the battery pack and added covers for the power switches
[23:53] Action: Laurenceb groans
[23:54] <fuzzylugnut> I know, its that good
[23:54] <natrium42> has anybody tried ethernut?
[23:54] <fuzzylugnut> ; )
[23:54] <edmoore> symmetry makes me smile
[23:54] <fuzzylugnut> hehe
[23:55] <Laurenceb> ethernut looks interesting
[23:55] <edmoore> amazing they've got it on such tiny things
[23:56] <Laurenceb> ooh ethernut 3
[23:56] <Laurenceb> http://www.ethernut.de/img/ethernut30e_large.png
[23:58] <Laurenceb> hang on it doesnt use avr
[23:58] <Laurenceb> fail
[23:58] <natrium42> i am looking at their ppp stuff
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