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[19:21] <jatkins> hi all
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[20:07] <Hiena> Good evening!
[20:10] <jatkins> Do you have much experience with RS-232/Serial?
[20:12] <Hiena> 12 or 15 years. ;)
[20:12] <Hiena> What is the problem?
[20:12] <jatkins> cool
[20:13] <jatkins> I'm trying to interface a GPS with an arduino microcontroller
[20:13] <jatkins> the arduino can do serial on its digital pins
[20:13] <jatkins> I've was talking to mc- earlier, and he was explaining that I'd need to create a cable consisting of 3 wires
[20:14] <jatkins> one to ground, one to a GPIO on the arduino, and one for serial data transfer
[20:14] <jatkins> but I didn't fully understand what he meant, and he's not been online since earlier
[20:15] <jatkins> the GPS has a female serial port, and the arduino is just interfaced directly to the digital pins
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[20:16] <Laurenceb> hi all
[20:16] <jatkins> hi
[20:16] <Laurenceb> I've been playing with FFT based deconvolution :D
[20:17] <jatkins> cool
[20:17] <Laurenceb> got my sound card talking to octave :D
[20:17] <jatkins> :)
[20:17] <Laurenceb> I might start work on a spread spectrum decoder soon
[20:17] <Laurenceb> how is the gps going?
[20:17] <jatkins> just been asking Hiena for some help
[20:18] <jatkins> I'm nearly there, just got to make up a cable to link from the arduino
[20:18] <jatkins> I've got the GPS sending out position data to my pc on hyperterminal
[20:18] <Hiena> jatkins, the common serial data transfer use two data line and one ground.
[20:18] <jatkins> ok
[20:18] <jatkins> it's a 9-way connector
[20:18] <jatkins> mc- has told me that pin 2 is for input and pin 5 for ground
[20:19] <jatkins> but he was saying I'd need to have a wire going to a GPIO on pin 4
[20:19] <jatkins> I think it was to equal out the voltage
[20:19] <Hiena> The common connection is a cross connection, when you link one unit's TX line to the antoher one's RX, and back.
[20:19] <jatkins> ok
[20:20] <jatkins> the arduino doesn't have a serial port, you just wire directly to the Rx (pin 0) and Tx (pin 1) pins
[20:20] <Hiena> The RS232 standard the data lines is pin 2 and 3, the ground is 5.
[20:20] <jatkins> ok
[20:20] <jatkins> so could I just use pins 2 and 5?
[20:21] <jatkins> (the GPS is transmitting, the arduino receiving)
[20:21] <Laurenceb> whatever you do, dont send rs232 into the arduino
[20:22] <jatkins> oh
[20:22] <Laurenceb> at least not with rs232 voltages
[20:22] <jatkins> should I use resistors?
[20:22] <Laurenceb> it will destroy the arduino, as its +-12v
[20:22] <jatkins> ok
[20:22] <Hiena> If you don't want to send any data to the GPS module, you have to connect the ground (pin 5) to the aurdion ground line, and the pin 3 (tx) to the aurdino's rx line (pin 0, if i'm correct).
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[20:23] <jatkins> yep
[20:23] <Hiena> Yup. You have to take cares with the levels.
[20:23] <Laurenceb> is there an rs232 driver chip on the gps?
[20:23] <natrium42> hi
[20:23] <jatkins> I don't know what that is ;)
[20:23] <jatkins> hi natrium
[20:23] <Laurenceb> max 232 or something...
[20:23] <natrium42> how's your payload coming?
[20:23] <jatkins> working on gps now
[20:23] <jatkins> rs232
[20:24] <natrium42> ah
[20:24] <Laurenceb> what ICs can you see on the board?
[20:24] <natrium42> no real need for rs232
[20:24] <natrium42> just bypass the level converter
[20:24] <Laurenceb> can you put up a photo?
[20:24] <Laurenceb> of the gps
[20:24] <jatkins> yeah
[20:24] <jatkins> 2 mins
[20:25] <Laurenceb> cool, then we should be able to tell you where the rs232 ic is
[20:25] <Hiena> For being on the safe side connect a resistor (470 Ohm or something like that )between the two pin, and connect a 4.7V zener diode between the ground and the aurdino's input. The catode of the zener diode should be connected to the input pin.
[20:25] <natrium42> unless it's a blob
[20:25] <natrium42> damn those blob chips :)
[20:25] <Laurenceb> hehe
[20:26] <Laurenceb> you can do it with a diode and two resistors
[20:26] <jatkins> ah, camera's not working
[20:26] <natrium42> you could still use a scope...
[20:26] <natrium42> or sound card
[20:26] <jatkins> ok
[20:26] <jatkins> the arduino has an audio port
[20:26] <jatkins> don't know if that could be used
[20:27] <natrium42> i mean to scope for rs232 signal
[20:27] <natrium42> just need to make sure the voltage is not too high
[20:27] <jatkins> ok
[20:27] <natrium42> could also use trial&error
[20:27] <natrium42> but first, maybe we will recognize the chip
[20:27] <jatkins> there's a prototyping board on the gps
[20:28] <natrium42> then it will be much easier
[20:28] <jatkins> and the wires going to the gps's serial port are from that
[20:29] <jatkins> which is a female 9-way port
[20:31] <Laurenceb> ah so there is a rs232 convertor on the prototyping board?
[20:31] <jatkins> I guess, but I don't know what one looks like
[20:32] <Hiena> jatkins, make a photo. Even with a mobile phone.
[20:34] <natrium42> or scanner if you have one
[20:34] <natrium42> :)
[20:34] <Laurenceb> we need a photo
[20:35] <jatkins> brb
[20:35] <jatkins> just uploading
[20:42] <jatkins> sorry, having to install phone software
[20:42] <jatkins> reinstalled my computer a little while a go
[20:43] <Hiena> Okay. Now i have to make some serious cracking sound around the neighbourhood. If i'm done with my 4 km running, i'll be back.
[20:45] <jatkins> :)
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[20:47] <msweeney> evening all
[20:47] <jatkins> hi
[20:47] <jatkins> don't worry about it, I'll try and have another go tomorrow
[20:47] <jatkins> thanks though
[20:47] <jatkins> as soon as I get a picture, I'll let you know
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[20:48] <Laurenceb> msweeney: where are you based?
[20:48] <msweeney> leeds
[20:49] <Laurenceb> ah cool
[20:49] <Laurenceb> we should have a meeting for hab people from "up north" :P
[20:49] <msweeney> I seem to remember going through this before. "Leeds", followed by some snarky oxford comment ;)
[20:49] <Laurenceb> I'm from Derbyshire
[20:49] <msweeney> but at Oxfod uni, no?
[20:50] <msweeney> similar to oxford I believe
[20:51] <msweeney> anyway, tis by the by. I am at Leeds yes and yes it is cold and snowy today, hurrah!
[20:54] <jatkins> don't worry, I'll ask mc- tomorrow
[20:54] <jatkins> phone's not synchronizing properly
[20:55] <Laurenceb> snow cool
[20:55] <jatkins> can't remember last time I had snow..
[20:56] <msweeney> yeah, its good. Dead still too so all the trees are coated, very Narnia-esque
[20:56] <jatkins> ;)
[20:56] <Laurenceb> hopefully it will move south
[20:56] <jatkins> fingers crossed!
[20:57] <Laurenceb> msweeney: whats your degree in?
[20:57] <msweeney> jatkins - I see from the wiki your payload is due to be finished in three days!
[20:57] <Laurenceb> hehe
[20:57] <msweeney> laurenceb: Physics!
[20:57] <Laurenceb> coolio me too
[20:58] <Laurenceb> how are you finding it?
[20:58] Action: msweeney loves it
[20:58] <msweeney> exactly my sort of thing
[20:58] <msweeney> you?
[20:58] <Laurenceb> cool, I'm finding it a bit too theoretical
[20:58] <msweeney> what year are you in?
[20:58] <Laurenceb> but I graduate at the end of this year so who cares :P
[20:59] <Laurenceb> 4th
[20:59] <msweeney> haha that's good. Job prospects?
[20:59] <Laurenceb> hopefully I can get on a studentship at surrey satellite technology
[21:00] <Laurenceb> working on galileo
[21:00] <msweeney> hrm, I'm sure I knew someone who worked there
[21:00] <jatkins> nice
[21:00] <msweeney> lots of the rocketry crowd work at Astrium/similar
[21:00] <msweeney> ah yes, I know who it was. Now works for ESA in germany
[21:01] <Laurenceb> cool
[21:02] <Laurenceb> we do some esa work at oxford
[21:02] <msweeney> have you seen the UAV platform from sparkfun? http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=707#
[21:02] <Laurenceb> I'm working in the space instruments lab at the moment
[21:02] <Laurenceb> yes, very $$$$
[21:03] <Laurenceb> software is the main challenge, not hardware
[21:03] <Laurenceb> bbl
[21:03] <msweeney> mhmm. I work in a dynamics and control dept occasionally, may ask my boss for some instruction on the finer points of autopilots
[21:04] <Laurenceb> I keep meaning to understand IMU algorythms :P
[21:05] <msweeney> this blog is q helpful
[21:05] <msweeney> http://tom.pycke.be/mav/
[21:13] <jatkins> bye
[21:14] <jatkins> I'm off now
[21:14] <msweeney> tatta
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[21:14] <Laurenceb1> back
[21:15] <Laurenceb1> msweeney: maybe you can answer this, does the convolution theorem apply in two dimensions?
[21:15] <Hiena_onrun> Back...
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[21:16] <Laurenceb1> Hiena: you ran 4K ?
[21:16] <Hiena> Yup. 25 min. Pretty bad.
[21:17] <Laurenceb1> not bad at all :P
[21:17] Action: msweeney feels feint at the suggestion
[21:18] <Laurenceb1> I used to be into running ages ago... now I'm probably completely useless at it
[21:19] <Hiena> Laurenceb1, i'm damned out of the shape. When i was at the army i ran 4k on 16min, perhaps that was 10 years and 15 kg before.
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[21:23] <Laurenceb> Hiena: so you were in the army?
[21:25] <Hiena> Yup. I was a conscript. Btw. Laurenceb, don't you want to outsource some ESA works to the east-europe? Since the Airbus bailed out from the uni. project, i'm kind of free to wokr on some research project.
[21:26] <Laurenceb> interesting, I'm not sure how it works, the people I'm working with arent that involved in ESA
[21:27] <msweeney> you can have some of my nuclear physics module?
[21:27] <Laurenceb> they just do design work
[21:27] <Laurenceb> hadrons?
[21:27] <Laurenceb> leptons :P
[21:28] <Laurenceb> Hiena: so you joined the army after communism?
[21:28] <Hiena> Ehem... Give me some, and i'll solder them together. ;)
[21:28] <msweeney> Specifically, I need you to find me something called the Higgs Boson, but not tell anyone but myself
[21:29] <Laurenceb> lol
[21:29] <Hiena> Yes, here the army was conscript based until 2000. I spent some months there. It was interesting, fun, and pointless.
[21:29] <msweeney> then keep your mouth shut when I get a nobel prize
[21:29] <jcoxon> oh dear physics chat
[21:30] <msweeney> we're just farming out work to the blocs
[21:30] <Laurenceb> ok, it would be interesting if you had been in the army pre 1989 :P
[21:30] <Laurenceb> I dont like the thought of the army here in the UK :S
[21:30] <Laurenceb> glad we dont have conscription
[21:31] <msweeney> takes a certain type of person, and they usually love it
[21:31] <Hiena> Sorry, msweeney usually i could found some Booze-ons, and never seen the Higgs guy before. ;)
[21:31] <Laurenceb> lol
[21:31] <msweeney> pity
[21:32] <Laurenceb> yes, I know some ex army guys, they drive land rovers and go pheasant shooting
[21:32] <msweeney> sounds excellent
[21:33] <msweeney> jcoxon: pity about your firefly (am catching up on the wiki)
[21:33] <jcoxon> indeed
[21:33] <Hiena> Laurenceb, i was there at '98. But not so much differenties between the pre and the post-communist era.
[21:34] <jcoxon> msweeney, oh well, i learnt a good few lessons
[21:34] <msweeney> such as?
[21:34] <jcoxon> am having a break, actually need to do some real life suff
[21:34] <jcoxon> morse isn't great :-p
[21:34] <Laurenceb> once when I was walking back from school at about 5pm (it was dark) they were on a shoot and spotted me, so took some pot shots at me with tracer fire
[21:34] <Laurenceb> not funny :(
[21:34] <Laurenceb> they though it was excellent
[21:35] <msweeney> mhmm, can imagine
[21:35] <msweeney> @jcoxon ah yes, real life. Fun stuff.
[21:35] <Laurenceb> anyway, thats why I have a bad impression of the army over here :P
[21:37] <jcoxon> msweeney, i shall return though - when it is warmer :-)
[21:37] <Laurenceb> jcoxon: use RTTY at least
[21:37] <msweeney> heh good good. This term seems to be pretty hectic for me, so I can't imagine I'll get too much done
[21:38] <Laurenceb> I need to get my spread spectrum style system working... hopefully soon
[21:38] <Hiena> Well, the bullet buzzing is not so fun. Jcoxon, did you ever considered to use a piro or beacon on the container?
[21:39] <msweeney> I got a wii nunchuck t'other day. Great way of getting xyz acceleration data cheap
[21:39] <jcoxon> Hiena, as in a radio beacon?
[21:40] <Hiena> There is a plenty of small smoke charge for the modell planes most weights only 20 g and smokes 3 or 4 minutes.
[21:40] <Laurenceb> jcoxon: I can post you off a radio board if you want
[21:40] <Hiena> And some small short wave transmitter.
[21:40] <msweeney> but when you're miles away it might not be much use?
[21:41] <jcoxon> Hiena, the radio had a built in beacon which would take over if there was no data being sent
[21:41] <Laurenceb> hmm short wave isnt so easy
[21:41] <Laurenceb> I think 434MHz is the only legal frequency here
[21:41] <jcoxon> Laurenceb, thats very kind - I'm taking a break right now so perhaps when i start again
[21:41] <jcoxon> best not tempt me :-p
[21:41] <Laurenceb> hehe
[21:41] <Hiena> msweeney, Starting at 1000m, it's bloody visible. We use that on the hang-gliders.
[21:41] <jcoxon> got to work on my robot right now
[21:42] <Laurenceb> I have more boards than I ordered :D
[21:42] <Laurenceb> but they have one reversed connector
[21:42] <Laurenceb> so you have to fix it with a couple of wires
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[21:43] <msweeney> hiena - I've used them on rockets too
[21:44] <Hiena> jcoxon, try to order a MAX2605 it's a single chip VCO with a 600mW ouput power. You have add only one inductor, and a long wire as antenna. I used them with a MPX altimeter chip as the modulation.
[21:45] <Laurenceb> Hiena: nice, but the laws here in the UK are a bit strict - thats why we tend to stick to commercial modules
[21:46] <Hiena> Yeah, but who cares on the laws when you have a 500$ rig on loose?
[21:46] <Laurenceb> of course its unlikely anyone will find out, but as we want to publish everything on the site ect, its best to stick exactly to the law on these things
[21:47] <Laurenceb> on the other hand, I'd like to have a play with a MAX2605 :P
[21:47] <Hiena> Laurenceb, you could use the QRP HAM channels. Or the RC control channels.
[21:48] <Laurenceb> I'm going to buy an icom pcr-1500 soon as I've got some money
[21:49] <Hiena> Laurenceb, I ordered the whole family from the MAX2605-MAX2608, and they sent me the samples within one weeks.
[21:49] <Laurenceb> nice, I like free samples
[21:49] <Hiena> Me too.
[21:49] <prpplague> funny i say the same thing when i go to the nudie bar
[21:50] <Laurenceb> for the moment, I'll work on the decoder software, I've got my soundcard talking to octave, using c code for the interface, then a pipe to octave
[21:50] <Hiena> Well, and are you using that free samples, prpplague ?
[21:50] <Laurenceb> and gnuplot plotting the results
[21:50] <prpplague> Laurenceb: getting close to a launch
[21:51] <Laurenceb> am I ?
[21:51] <prpplague> Hiena: you have to be careful with those types of free samples
[21:51] <prpplague> Laurenceb: yea
[21:52] <Hiena> prpplague, yup, kind of hard to soldering them. :)
[21:52] <prpplague> hehe
[21:52] <prpplague> Laurenceb: http://www.elinux.org/Nail_Board
[21:53] <prpplague> Laurenceb: got the first batch of the nail board in and assembled
[21:53] <Laurenceb> prpplague: the aerosol project should be launching in a couple of weeks
[21:53] <Laurenceb> sweet
[21:53] <Laurenceb> nail board lol
[21:56] <Hiena> Anybody remembers the link of the commercial thermopile horizont detector?
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[21:58] <Laurenceb> forgotten the company now
[21:58] <Laurenceb> its for RC planes, and not very good imo
[21:59] <Laurenceb> a pain to order from, and the design isnt very high quality (not the best opamps)
[21:59] <Laurenceb> I have spare boards for the thermopile design on the wiki :P
[22:00] <Laurenceb> bbl, got 2 make a phone call
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[22:13] <msweeney> evening mc-
[22:16] <mc-> evening ms
[22:17] <msweeney> how're things?
[22:17] <mc-> http://tom.pycke.be/mav/ like the link
[22:17] <mc-> too busy to do good stuff
[22:17] <mc-> and you?
[22:22] <mc-> Laurenceb, do you have a spare thermo board?
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[22:27] <msweeney> @mc- I'm good, also too busy. Got a contract to do web dev work for Leeds Uni, plus a hard term of Physics
[22:30] <mc-> yes, always better to take on work, HAB is for later
[22:30] <mc-> got to sleep
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[23:12] <Laurenceb> hey edmoore
[23:17] <edmoore> hi Laurenceb
[23:22] <Laurenceb> I've interfaced with my sound card :P it fairly easy
[23:22] <Laurenceb> for some reason the pipe from the c code to octave has a lag of about 500ms
[23:22] <Laurenceb> I cant work it out :(
[23:25] <Laurenceb> I've been playing with FFT based deconvolution, got it to work in 1D, I'm going to try 2D, then it can be applied to a "waterfall display" type array to decode a spread signal
[23:26] <Laurenceb> if each bit is encoded with some chip code, then deconvolution using the chip code will reveal the bits (0,1) as a series of delta functions (+,-)
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[23:27] <Laurenceb> and it doesnt require accuarte timing or frequency control :P
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