highaltitude.log.20080105

[00:03] <Laurenceb> I'm back in derbyshire now
[00:03] <Laurenceb> collecting more stuff
[00:04] <Laurenceb> going to install ubuntu on my laptop tomorrow I think
[00:04] <Laurenceb> maybe xubuntu, I've used xfce before
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[00:06] <Laurenceb> its quite impressive, I had a play with it back in 2004, but it looks better now
[00:15] <Laurenceb> oh I discovered a pcb fab place in the depths of the physics dept basement :D
[00:16] <Laurenceb> they can do kapton pcbs
[00:16] <Laurenceb> I'm going to see if its possible to have a few made up for HAB projects
[00:17] <Laurenceb> anyway, gtg cya all
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[00:39] <jcoxon> edmoore,
[00:39] <jcoxon> oooo now this is interesting
[00:39] <jcoxon> http://www.amxl.com/option,com_content/task,view/id,1/Itemid,1/
[00:40] <edmoore> wow
[00:40] <jcoxon> http://www.maplin.co.uk/module.aspx?ModuleNo=45603&doy=5m1#overview
[00:40] <edmoore> I guess that is ofcourse completely true, just never reaslised it before
[00:42] <jcoxon> ?24
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[00:43] <fnoble> hey
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[10:04] <jcoxon> morning all
[10:37] <Daviey> mornin'
[10:39] <jcoxon> hey Daviey
[10:39] <jcoxon> natrium42, you around?
[10:39] <jcoxon> having weird problems with my GM862, it won't import the GPS python module
[10:40] <jcoxon> exactly the same code just if i import GPS it won't work
[10:41] <jcoxon> how are things going Daviey
[10:46] <jcoxon> hmmmm looks like natrium42 you didn't use the GPS library
[10:50] <Daviey> jcoxon: not too bad - currently decorating, i hate wallpaper stripping, urgh
[10:50] <Daviey> How are you?
[10:51] <jcoxon> good thanks
[10:52] <jcoxon> just working on my payload before i go to the library for the afternoon
[10:53] <Daviey> I really want to try and get more involved with ukhas, but there's not nuff time in a day :(
[10:53] <jcoxon> know the feeling
[10:53] <jcoxon> where you based?
[10:53] <Daviey> Southampton, hants
[10:54] <jcoxon> well i know its a long way but the best way to get involved is to come along to a launch
[10:54] <jcoxon> get a feel for how everything works
[10:54] <Daviey> I'd certainly come along - help track
[10:55] <jcoxon> its good that we've had lots of interest recently
[10:56] <jcoxon> not sure we've had some many people on the channel before
[10:56] <jcoxon> (as in for long periods of time)
[10:56] <Daviey> heh
[10:56] <jcoxon> some -> so
[10:56] <Daviey> jcoxon: well try and see when i last joined :)
[10:56] <jcoxon> need to rally everyone, make a super project then do somehing amazing
[10:57] <Daviey> Your semester 1 exams must be coming up soon :(
[10:57] <jcoxon> oh i've got exams in 6 days time
[11:00] <Daviey> :`(
[11:00] <jcoxon> and a project to hand in in 5 days
[11:00] <jcoxon> but by next weekend :-)
[11:04] <jcoxon> actually then i'm helping in a student theatre production
[11:04] <jcoxon> but after that! lots more time
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[11:33] <neontube> morning all
[11:34] <jcoxon> morning neontube
[11:35] <neontube> g/f already hates the weater sat reciver
[11:35] <neontube> :D
[11:35] <neontube> i set my pc up to record a pass last night
[11:36] <neontube> but anoyingly the mute feature only mutes out the white noise, so when the pass starts u can here it... which was a bit of a shock first thing this morning when the grandfather clock on speed kicked in
[11:37] <neontube> and after all the the pc had locked up and didn't record it anyway
[11:39] <neontube> i need a line in/mic in for my mac, i could use that then insted
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[12:17] <jcoxon> hey neontube sorry was away
[12:17] <jcoxon> oh dear
[12:17] <jcoxon> i've got a usb line in for my mac
[12:18] <jcoxon> griffin imic i think, got it off ebay
[12:33] <jcoxon> bbl
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[12:53] <jatkins> hi all
[12:57] <neontube> ello
[12:57] <jatkins> hi neontube
[12:58] <jatkins> are you working on a hab project?
[12:58] <neontube> one o many projects
[12:58] <jatkins> cool
[12:58] <neontube> currently playing with a weather sat reciever
[12:59] <jatkins> nice
[12:59] <jatkins> I'm building a balloon payload
[12:59] <jatkins> started over xmas
[13:01] <neontube> what u useng for the brains of the box
[13:02] <jatkins> arduino diecimila
[13:02] <neontube> ?
[13:02] <jatkins> I'm new to microcontrollers
[13:02] <jatkins> www.arduino.cc
[13:04] <neontube> col
[13:04] <neontube> *cool
[13:04] <neontube> an avr mega8
[13:05] <jatkins> yeah
[13:05] <jatkins> been playing around with a camera shutter system
[13:05] <neontube> the look like nice little boards actauly
[13:05] <neontube> not bad price either
[13:05] <jatkins> yep
[13:06] <jatkins> I just needed something with gpios and rs-232 really
[13:06] <jatkins> for gps, radio, and camera trigger
[13:07] <jatkins> you can use sd cards with them
[13:08] <jatkins> http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2007/03/avr_based_usb_sd_card_rea.html
[13:08] <neontube> nice
[13:09] <jatkins> they have about 512 bytes builtin
[13:09] <jatkins> I need a bit more for logging telemetry
[13:10] <jatkins> got mine from robosavvy.com
[13:12] <jatkins> bbl
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[14:05] <jcoxon> hey mc-
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[14:18] <Laurenceb> hi all
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[15:14] <jcoxon> hey jatkins, hows the camera trigger going :-)
[15:17] <jatkins> hi
[15:17] <jatkins> well, I reckon I should probably wait till I have some resistors
[15:17] <jatkins> will get some soon, edmoore gave me a link to a pack of 1000 for £8 from rapid
[15:19] <Laurenceb> be careful of the hv capacitor
[15:20] <Laurenceb> jcoxon: maybe you know more about this, ho dangerous are camera flash capacitors
[15:21] <Laurenceb> a friend of mine was put in hospital by one, do $different people have different sensitivities?
[15:21] <Laurenceb> brb
[15:21] <jcoxon> could do,
[15:21] <jcoxon> i've shocked my self at least 10 times
[15:22] <jcoxon> i'm still going though i did lose the use of my arm for about 10 mins once
[15:22] <jatkins> ow
[15:22] <jcoxon> for resistors you could go to maplins and buy a pack
[15:23] <jcoxon> maplins is usually regarded as a overpriced place but in regards to resistors i don't think it matters to much
[15:25] <jatkins> ok
[15:25] <jatkins> thanks
[15:25] <Laurenceb> jcoxon: the shock went through his chest, and he had to get checked out
[15:25] <jcoxon> yeah
[15:25] <jcoxon> in theory if timed right you could stop his heart
[15:26] <Laurenceb> they kept him in overnight as his heart was a bit dodgy
[15:26] <jcoxon> the exact time is just at the beginning of the T wave
[15:26] <Laurenceb> I see
[15:26] <Laurenceb> bbl, cooking
[15:26] <jatkins> cya
[15:42] <jatkins> bbl
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[16:11] <neontube> evening all
[16:13] <jcoxon> hey neontube
[16:13] <kc0wys> hey
[16:13] <kc0wys> morning here :)
[16:14] <jcoxon> hey kc0wys
[16:17] <jcoxon> neontube: hows the weather sat going?
[16:24] <neontube> got the antenna set up outside now
[16:24] <neontube> waiting for another good pass over and going to try a record to the laptop
[16:25] <neontube> found that my monitor is a big source of noise so have to turn it off during the capture
[16:25] <jcoxon> yeah tehy recommend a long cable to keep it away from 'puters
[16:25] <jcoxon> whens the next pass?
[16:25] <neontube> not sure
[16:26] <neontube> not had time to look properly
[16:26] <neontube> but i think there is a near pass at 19.30 ish
[16:26] <jcoxon> :-)
[16:26] <neontube> and another at 21.30
[16:26] <jcoxon> cool
[16:30] <neontube> i need to get another xrtl for it
[16:30] <neontube> then i can get another sat
[16:30] <jcoxon> what sats can you get now?
[16:30] <neontube> novaa 15 and 17
[16:31] <neontube> can get 16 with another chip
[16:31] <jcoxon> :-)
[16:31] <neontube> and maybe 18 as well with a 4th
[16:31] <neontube> still looking for the other reciver units
[16:31] <neontube> only found the one so far
[16:32] <jcoxon> your loft seems to be an aladdins cave
[16:32] <neontube> its a mess thats what it is
[16:33] <neontube> i need to get a skip in
[16:33] <neontube> there is 2 sets of glass for a mini up there too (old one, not the shitty bmw ones)
[16:33] <jcoxon> i remember when i was at cambridge the things the labs chucked out
[16:34] <jcoxon> found an enormous electromagnets, need 5 people to lift it
[16:34] <neontube> plus a complete set of seats and trim of one too
[16:34] <neontube> lol
[16:34] <jcoxon> never got it home
[16:38] <neontube> gimmy 2 min, got a piccy of the sat box to put up
[16:41] <neontube> http://www.neontube.co.uk/satbox.jpghttp://www.neontube.co.uk/satbox.jpg
[16:41] <neontube> http://www.neontube.co.uk/satbox.jpg
[16:41] <neontube> http://www.neontube.co.uk/chickensjpg
[16:42] <neontube> i should of resized them i guess
[16:43] <jcoxon> so you've plugged the reciever into your chickens?
[16:43] <neontube> yup
[16:43] <neontube> they love it
[16:43] <neontube> keeps them warm
[16:43] <neontube> we run a lowtech-hitech house here
[16:43] <jcoxon> good reception?
[16:43] <neontube> chickens and allotments + media center piped around the house + networking etc
[16:44] <neontube> nar, they keep roosting on the antenna
[16:44] <jcoxon> for somethings the old school way is the best
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[16:52] <jcoxon> i really should take my laptop to the library
[16:53] <jcoxon> i've read news.bbc.co.uk back to front
[16:55] <neontube> ?
[16:55] <jcoxon> oh i'm in the library working but with wireless internet
[16:56] <neontube> can u plug into the mains power in the library ?
[16:56] <jcoxon> yup
[16:56] <neontube> they get realy arsey about that at my uni
[16:56] <jcoxon> they also have network ports
[16:58] <jcoxon> right, i better be off
[16:58] <jcoxon> cya all later
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[18:26] <Laurenceb> hi all
[18:27] Action: Laurenceb is installing ubuntu :D
[18:38] <kc0wys> hey
[18:38] <Laurenceb> hi there
[18:38] <kc0wys> ooh linux, i have yet to migrate
[18:38] <kc0wys> :)
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[18:42] <edmoore> evening everyone
[18:42] <edmoore> ubuntu rather installs itself. i was very impressed
[18:43] <Laurenceb> once you've downloaded it
[18:43] <Laurenceb> which takes some time...
[18:43] <edmoore> the boring bit is getting all the guff like mp3 support and generally getting it up and running
[18:43] <Laurenceb> hmmm :(
[18:43] <edmoore> lol yes, that's true
[18:43] <Laurenceb> I thought it had that
[18:43] <edmoore> nope
[18:43] <Laurenceb> bah
[18:43] <edmoore> it very specifically doesn't
[18:44] <edmoore> because of licensing issues, they can't include it by default, you have to do it all yourself
[18:44] <edmoore> however if you google for something like 'the 13 things to do first after you install ubuntu' there's a decent guide
[18:44] <Laurenceb> lol ok
[18:46] <Laurenceb> thanx
[18:46] <edmoore> this altoids flight computer is tricky. With so much of one side of the pcb taken up with metal-boxed modules like gsm and gps, I can't really use through holed components
[18:47] <edmoore> and the little space I do have will be for terminal blocks, which are through hole
[18:47] <edmoore> so along comes mr massive jtag connector and takes up 90% of the space available for pth components
[18:47] <Laurenceb> I've been experimenting with rogallos again
[18:47] <Laurenceb> a glider ratio of 3.5 is fairly easy to achieve
[18:47] <Laurenceb> glide*
[18:48] <Laurenceb> so I can have up to 60 grams total
[18:48] <Laurenceb> any idea how much gps modules weigh?
[18:48] <edmoore> for what?
[18:48] <Laurenceb> the total mass
[18:48] <edmoore> for a rogallo?
[18:49] <Laurenceb> of the micro rogallo I'm planning
[18:49] <edmoore> christ
[18:49] <edmoore> well that kind of rules out a ceramic patch antenna
[18:49] <edmoore> that's the heavy bit of the gps
[18:49] <Laurenceb> no they are only about 12 grams IIRC
[18:49] <Laurenceb> I'm allocating 20 grams for the gps at the moment
[18:49] <edmoore> to be honest, I'm not sure. I only know of the standard ceramic patch antennas and the serantel helical ones. both would be pretty heavy
[18:49] <edmoore> ok
[18:49] <edmoore> lol
[18:50] <edmoore> 33% of the weight limit taken up by gps
[18:50] <edmoore> mad
[18:50] <edmoore> well there's that tiny tiny sparkfun gps module
[18:50] <Laurenceb> the airframe should be about 5 grams
[18:50] <edmoore> 10mm x 10mm
[18:50] <Laurenceb> I dont want to go there
[18:50] <Laurenceb> BGA, RF transmission lines ect ect
[18:50] <edmoore> I would have thought you don't have a great deal of choice...
[18:51] <edmoore> i mean the gps will probably pull more current than the prop too
[18:51] <Laurenceb> no
[18:51] <Laurenceb> the prop is 500ma
[18:51] <Laurenceb> gps 85ma
[18:51] <Laurenceb> 20 grams thrust
[18:52] <edmoore> the 5hz etek is 15g
[18:52] <edmoore> 500ma!!!
[18:52] <edmoore> that's a lorray current
[18:52] <Laurenceb> yes, thats what I'm judging the mass off
[18:52] <edmoore> so i guess that's your solution
[18:53] <Laurenceb> my 3 gram lipo can supply 1.3 amps
[18:53] <edmoore> what's the spplication for this
[18:53] <edmoore> for how long can it supply that?
[18:53] <Laurenceb> fun :D
[18:53] <Laurenceb> 6 minutes
[18:53] <Laurenceb> its a 130mah cell
[18:54] <edmoore> i did the maths, thanks :p
[18:54] <edmoore> you realise tho it will probably only be 70% of that at best
[18:54] <Laurenceb> well it depends if I'm feeling rich, I might buy an etek
[18:54] <edmoore> manufacturers have a slightly disengenuous and sneaky testing method to give them the best possible capacity figures
[18:55] <Laurenceb> maybe, I've got some discharge graphs for it somewhere
[18:55] <edmoore> and it's way higher than what you'd get at max discharge continuously
[18:55] <edmoore> 10C continuous is high for a lippo......
[18:55] <Laurenceb> yes, but I'll be using it at about 5.5C
[18:57] <Laurenceb> I'm not very convinced by 5Hz gps, the noise seems to outweight the benefits of higher update rate
[18:57] <Laurenceb> I did have one, but gave it to rocketboy
[18:58] <Laurenceb> using a dip avr and veroboard doesnt cost me much weight % wise
[18:59] <Laurenceb> about 5 grams extra
[18:59] <Laurenceb> I've got a 3.5 gram digital servo for it :P
[19:05] <edmoore> so which gps?
[19:05] <edmoore> would you ever consider dropping this wee beastie from a balloon?
[19:08] <Laurenceb> I'll see how much jcoxons em-406 weights
[19:08] <Laurenceb> then theres an em402 on the big rogallo
[19:09] <Laurenceb> or I could buy a etek 5hz one
[19:09] <Laurenceb> but first I'll get it up and running with the nds card
[19:10] <Laurenceb> I've just been weighing bits of balsa, and its possible to build a 5 gram 45cm wingspan airframe
[19:23] <edmoore> impressive
[19:26] <Laurenceb> I'll use some really thin freezer bags, and heat seal them onto the balsa with a soldering iron
[19:27] <Laurenceb> 55grams total weight allowing 10 for the flight computer and 20 for the gps
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[19:29] <Laurenceb> I was in the space instruments lab the other day, and they seem to prototype everything on veroboard
[19:32] <Laurenceb> theres even a veroboard prototype of the beagle 2 weather sensors board in there
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[20:03] <fnoble> hey
[20:03] <jatkins> hi fnoble
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[20:07] <Laurenceb> grrr I cant get into bios
[20:08] <fnoble> hi laurenceb
[20:08] <fnoble> hows things?
[20:08] <Laurenceb> trying to install ubuntu
[20:08] <Laurenceb> but i can't get into bios on my laptop :(
[20:09] <fnoble> yeah, laptops sometimes use wierd key combos to get into the bios
[20:09] <Laurenceb> I suspect a strange key combination is required, I'll have to google
[20:09] <jatkins> your laptop manufacturer might have a bios update on their site
[20:09] <Laurenceb> fnobel: you built the fusion reactor with henry right?
[20:09] <fnoble> sure it doesnt tell you on the startup screen
[20:09] <fnoble> yeah
[20:09] <Laurenceb> I'll check
[20:09] <Laurenceb> cool stuff :D
[20:10] <Laurenceb> whats happening with it now?
[20:10] <fnoble> its collecting dust in cambridge
[20:10] <Laurenceb> lol
[20:10] <fnoble> cant get space or permission to run it
[20:10] <Laurenceb> I see
[20:11] <fnoble> would e good to get it going again, but its a bit of a nightmare if you have to go through official health and safety channels
[20:11] <Laurenceb> I thought the the department was running it?
[20:11] <edmoore> don't even try
[20:11] <Laurenceb> its bad enough making HV power supplies :P
[20:11] <edmoore> Eng department would run a mile anyway
[20:12] <fnoble> yeah, i plan to approach the physics dept, see if they are interested
[20:12] <Laurenceb> oh you have one?
[20:12] <Laurenceb> I've never understood science at cam
[20:12] <fnoble> yeah there is one, but you cant take more than 1 coures in physics in the first yera
[20:12] <fnoble> *year
[20:12] <fnoble> after the fist year you can do 100% physics
[20:13] <Laurenceb> but after that you specialise?
[20:13] <Laurenceb> sure
[20:13] <fnoble> which is what im planning on doing
[20:13] <fnoble> :)
[20:13] <Laurenceb> good plan
[20:13] <Laurenceb> I was put off cambridge by that
[20:13] <Laurenceb> but in hindsight the emg dept is cool, but it looked hard to get in at the time
[20:13] <Laurenceb> eng*
[20:13] <edmoore> you could have done some compsci courses with physics
[20:14] <fnoble> from what i hear its not that cool
[20:14] <edmoore> the ladies love it
[20:14] <Laurenceb> lol
[20:14] <Laurenceb> sounds interesting
[20:14] <fnoble> yeah i do 4 courses atm, phys, maths, and 2x compsci
[20:14] <Laurenceb> ouch
[20:14] <Laurenceb> have you just started then?
[20:15] <fnoble> the compsci is actually pretty simple appart from discrete maths, which is a nightmare
[20:15] <fnoble> yeah
[20:15] <Laurenceb> I remember the first term at oxford, it was horrible
[20:15] <Laurenceb> they seem to pile loads of work on you, to see if you can take it
[20:16] <Laurenceb> not sure if its the same there
[20:16] <fnoble> so you do eng at oxford now?
[20:16] <Laurenceb> no physics
[20:16] <Laurenceb> eng at oxford is piss
[20:17] <Laurenceb> seems to be a degree in concrete mixing from what I've seen
[20:17] <Laurenceb> I do enough of that anyway
[20:18] <fnoble> heh
[20:18] <fnoble> i think most engineers would do physics if they could ;)
[20:18] <Laurenceb> they do have an entire exam devoted to concrete
[20:20] <Laurenceb> I'm working on a design for a <60 gram rogallo atm
[20:21] <edmoore> fnoble: I jsut emailed you something
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[20:34] <Laurenceb> grr
[20:34] <Laurenceb> it just refuses to boot off cd
[20:36] <jatkins> still can't get into bios?
[20:37] <Laurenceb> well theres some setting under a management program that runs under windows
[20:37] <Laurenceb> I tried setting it to boot from cd there
[20:37] <jatkins> ok
[20:37] <Laurenceb> but no luck
[20:37] <jatkins> :(
[20:37] <jatkins> is there a version of ubuntu you can install to the hard drive or do you not want to do that?
[20:38] <Laurenceb> this is a live cd and an installer in one
[20:38] <Laurenceb> boots from live cd, then runs the installer
[20:38] <jatkins> oh right
[20:38] <fnoble> your lappy must a) have a bios that can be got to fomr outside windows and b) must boot cds
[20:39] <jatkins> I've only played with linux once - ran knoppix off cd ages ago
[20:39] <fnoble> unless its REALLY old
[20:39] <fnoble> but once yo get that cd going, ubuntu is a breeze to install
[20:39] <fnoble> :)
[20:39] <fnoble> sorry, my keyboard is awful
[20:41] <jatkins> try all of these on startup: "Esc," "Del," "F1," "F2," "Ctrl-Esc" or "Ctrl-Alt-Esc". found it on howstuffworks
[20:41] <Laurenceb> I only have a few seconds
[20:41] <jatkins> sorry, not all together
[20:41] <Laurenceb> sure
[20:42] <Laurenceb> I haven't tried Esc, F1, ctrl-esc, or ctrl-alt-esc yet
[20:42] <jatkins> ok
[20:42] <jatkins> probably one of them
[20:43] <natrium42> the bios boot screen should tell you what to press
[20:45] <Laurenceb> yes, i'll take another look
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[20:49] <natrium42> and you have to press that ey many times
[20:49] <natrium42> ey=key
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[21:12] <Laurenceb> hello
[21:12] Action: Laurenceb is running ubuntu
[21:13] <Laurenceb> right time to fire up the installer
[21:14] <Laurenceb> hey rocketboy
[21:14] <Laurenceb> I love the way there's an irc spellchecker
[21:33] <Laurenceb> hmmm this is confusing
[21:33] <Laurenceb> its showing three partitions
[21:33] <fnoble> the installer?
[21:33] <Laurenceb> there were only two before
[21:33] <Laurenceb> yes
[21:33] <Laurenceb> two 27Gig and a 5 gig
[21:34] <Laurenceb> one of the 27 gig is almost full, that will be windows
[21:34] <fnoble> what are yo trying to do? wipe windows? or keep windows
[21:34] <Laurenceb> keep it lol
[21:34] <fnoble> ok
[21:34] <Laurenceb> all my work is on there
[21:34] <Laurenceb> so I have to be careful
[21:34] <fnoble> and the second 27 was a pre existing part where yo want to put linux
[21:35] <Laurenceb> I cant understand where the 5 gig partion came from
[21:35] <fnoble> linux installations tend to use more than one partition
[21:35] <fnoble> the 5g is probably swap space
[21:35] <Laurenceb> no the 2nd partion was a storage partion
[21:35] <fnoble> the unix name for "virtual memory"
[21:35] <Laurenceb> it has work in it
[21:35] <Laurenceb> sure
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[21:35] <Laurenceb> could I install lnux in there and save the work?
[21:36] <Laurenceb> or would everything be wiped?
[21:36] <fnoble> so wait, have you let the install change the paritions yet?
[21:36] <Laurenceb> no, just read them
[21:37] <fnoble> ah, well then only you can answer that :)
[21:37] <fnoble> must have been there before
[21:37] <Laurenceb> I will create an entirely new partition for linux
[21:37] <Laurenceb> to be on the safe side
[21:38] Action: Laurenceb keeps cursor well away from the scary "format" button
[21:38] <fnoble> yeah, good plan
[21:38] <fnoble> read the docs though about what partitions to make
[21:38] <fnoble> as you do need more than one
[21:39] <fnoble> (usually)
[21:39] <fnoble> or let it automagically decide what to do for you, if you trust it lol
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[21:52] <Laurenceb> bloody thing hung on me
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[21:57] <Laurenceb> how do you mount a swap partition?
[21:58] <jcoxon> good evening
[21:58] <jcoxon> swapon /dev/hdX
[21:59] <jcoxon> though that requires you to have set up the partition as swap
[22:00] <fnoble> laurenceb, are you manually partitioning?
[22:00] <Laurenceb> yes
[22:00] <Laurenceb> I'm going to reduce the size of an exisiting partion and create a new one
[22:01] <fnoble> hmm, you want to keep the data on the partition?
[22:01] <Laurenceb> yes
[22:01] <jcoxon> careful Laurenceb
[22:01] <Laurenceb> hmm
[22:01] <fnoble> indeed, i hope its a fat partition
[22:01] <jcoxon> linux has lots of fun eating partitions
[22:02] <Laurenceb> maybe I should fire up windows
[22:02] <Laurenceb> and edit it from there
[22:02] <jcoxon> what software do you have to resize the partition
[22:02] <Laurenceb> its part of the ubuntu installer
[22:03] <jcoxon> oh i meant on windows?
[22:03] <Laurenceb> none
[22:03] <Laurenceb> windows can do it by itself right?
[22:03] <fnoble> iirc its gparted in the installer
[22:03] <jcoxon> gparted should be able to handle resizing ntfs
[22:03] <fnoble> windows, make space for another os? you must be joking :)
[22:04] <Laurenceb> its FAT32
[22:04] <jcoxon> yeah windows won't even resize
[22:04] <jcoxon> oh right
[22:04] <fnoble> if it specifically says non-destructive resize you will be ok
[22:04] <Laurenceb> its some files in the partition i'm resizing
[22:04] <fnoble> but its not always the default option
[22:04] <Laurenceb> no it doesnt say much at all
[22:04] <Laurenceb> I might be best with windows
[22:04] <Laurenceb> then switching back
[22:05] <Laurenceb> once the partitions are there
[22:05] <jcoxon> http://ca.geocities.com/zachandloricox@rogers.com/ubuntu/windowsxp.html
[22:05] <jcoxon> oops
[22:05] <Laurenceb> just looking
[22:05] <jcoxon> this one
[22:05] <jcoxon> http://ca.geocities.com/zachandloricox@rogers.com/ubuntu/windowsme.html
[22:05] <Laurenceb> I've got xp
[22:06] <jcoxon> yeah but fat32
[22:06] <jcoxon> xp actually prefers ntfs
[22:06] <jcoxon> but you seem to have fat32
[22:06] <Laurenceb> yes
[22:07] <jcoxon> so follow the fat32 guide
[22:07] <fnoble> actually its not gparted i think
[22:07] <jcoxon> it says in the first paragraph that it'll work on any os that uses fat32
[22:07] <fnoble> so yo could try partedmagic or somthing (a bootable cd with gparted)
[22:07] <jcoxon> there are hundreds of guides, don't do it along
[22:07] <jcoxon> alone*
[22:07] <Laurenceb> that link wont open
[22:08] <Laurenceb> right, I'll go back to windose and take a look
[22:08] <Laurenceb> cya in a bit
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[22:10] <jcoxon> hope it goes okay :-\
[22:10] <jcoxon> once i partitioned my hd i've left it for the last 3 years
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[22:13] <Laurenceb> yo
[22:13] <fnoble> hey
[22:14] <Laurenceb> ok, I need to be able to edit partitions in windows...
[22:14] <fnoble> erm, looking around it looks like the ubuntu installer has a resize thing
[22:14] <Laurenceb> yes, thats where I was
[22:14] <Laurenceb> but I didn't want to overwrite any data
[22:14] <Laurenceb> luckly its ok
[22:14] <fnoble> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GraphicalInstall#head-49944d8626113375eea234aa41d06d657ae5d6bf
[22:15] <fnoble> yeah indeed
[22:15] <Laurenceb> can you do it with a dos prompt?
[22:16] <Laurenceb> aha diskpart
[22:16] <fnoble> not withot extra software
[22:17] <fnoble> i'd look at getting a gparted live cd like partedmagic
[22:17] <Laurenceb> diskpart looks ok
[22:19] <Laurenceb> whats the difference between a primary and extended partition?
[22:19] <fnoble> diskpart cannot resize
[22:20] <Laurenceb> :(
[22:20] <jcoxon> Laurenceb, get a bootcd with gparted
[22:20] <Laurenceb> ok I'll google for something
[22:20] <jcoxon> its the best and safest way
[22:20] <Laurenceb> I'll do it under windows I think
[22:21] <Laurenceb> then I know whats going on better
[22:21] <jcoxon> all the partition stuff for windows costs
[22:22] <jcoxon> well all the programs i've seen
[22:22] <Laurenceb> ranish is free
[22:22] <edmoore> http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/23518
[22:22] <jcoxon> well good luck :-)
[22:24] <jcoxon> make sure you backup!
[22:27] <Laurenceb> whats pqservice?
[22:28] <Laurenceb> thats a hidden partition on my system
[22:28] <jcoxon> sometimes its a reinstaller partition
[22:29] <Laurenceb> I see
[22:30] <jcoxon> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=pqservice&spell=1
[22:35] <Laurenceb> biab
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