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[08:57] <flowolf> http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2837651365.html << interesting
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[09:05] <jcoxon> !coutdown
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[09:15] Topic changed on #highaltitude by jcoxon!n=jcoxon@jac208.caths.cam.ac.uk: Welcome to #highaltitude - discuss anything to do with high altitude projects (balloons, gliders, etc) see http://www.ukhas.org.uk and the wiki: http://wiki.ukhas.org.uk
[09:17] Topic changed on #highaltitude by jcoxon!n=jcoxon@jac208.caths.cam.ac.uk: Welcome to #highaltitude - discuss anything to do with high altitude projects (balloons, gliders, etc) see www.ukhas.org.uk and wiki.ukhas.org.uk, zeusbot commands : !countdown and !position
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[15:57] <jcoxon> afternoon all
[16:37] <edwardmoore> jcoxon that's rocking
[16:38] <jcoxon> hey edwardmoore
[16:38] <jcoxon> just redoing the gps antenna connector
[16:39] <jcoxon> then it'll be finished hardware wise
[16:39] <edwardmoore> just been talking to a nasa astronaut about ballooning!
[16:39] <jcoxon> just need to do a bit of software
[16:39] <jcoxon> wow
[16:39] <jcoxon> ...
[16:39] <edwardmoore> came back to engineering to give a lecture on his time on the ISS
[16:40] <jcoxon> oh him
[16:40] <jcoxon> he went to my school
[16:40] <edwardmoore> and henry and i went up to him afterwards and he was like 'yes i've heard about this!' and wanted to come tomorrow
[16:40] <jcoxon> really
[16:40] <jcoxon> is he coming?
[16:40] <edwardmoore> sadly he's doing something at the science museum
[16:40] <edwardmoore> but he said 'if you'd told me two weeks ago...'
[16:42] <jcoxon> shame
[16:42] <jcoxon> well
[16:42] <jcoxon> we'll just have to give him a call
[16:42] <edwardmoore> lol. he gave his email address
[16:43] <jcoxon> i've met him before
[16:43] <jcoxon> gave a lecture about 5 years ago
[16:43] <edwardmoore> i think michael fole or whatever his name is is also from cambridge
[16:45] Action: jcoxon is giving this coax cable a hair cut
[16:48] <edwardmoore> jcoxon do you know the car situation?
[16:48] <jcoxon> rocketboy
[16:49] <jcoxon> he is happy to retrieve
[16:49] <edwardmoore> cool
[16:49] <edwardmoore> i wonder if he'll do a live chase
[16:49] <edwardmoore> you might notice the idea is somewhat lodged in my mind :)
[16:50] <jcoxon> hehe
[16:50] <edwardmoore> do you mind if I go on the chase?
[16:50] <jcoxon> nope
[16:52] <edwardmoore> did u go to harrow james?
[16:53] <jcoxon> yup
[16:53] <edwardmoore> that makes sense!
[16:53] <edwardmoore> i'll resist the urge to play the 'do you know' game
[16:56] <jcoxon> hehe
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[17:12] <edwardmoore> jcoxon if you need a hand with anything tonight or want to move anything up here pre-empyively then shout
[17:12] <jcoxon> thanks
[17:12] <jcoxon> i'm about to send out an email about what we need
[17:12] <edwardmoore> cool
[17:13] <jcoxon> i just realised that i haven't got the yagi
[17:13] <edwardmoore> hopefully steve will bring his
[17:16] <edwardmoore> do you know if the wireless society will actually be listening with any enthusiasm?
[17:17] <jcoxon> not sure
[17:17] <jcoxon> will have to see
[17:17] <jcoxon> i've spoken to some other hams
[17:17] <jcoxon> who are on the wireless soc list
[17:17] <jcoxon> but aren't in cam
[17:17] <jcoxon> they are more likely to listen
[17:17] <edwardmoore> cool
[17:17] <jcoxon> they did last time
[17:17] <edwardmoore> well the jet-stream is point oop north
[17:18] <edwardmoore> might make it just inland of the wash if it gets that far
[17:30] <jcoxon> aaarrrggghh
[17:30] <jcoxon> i hate hate hate coax cable
[17:36] <jcoxon> ot going well
[17:36] <jcoxon> not*
[17:36] <jcoxon> edwardmoore, you there?
[17:37] <jcoxon> is there a chance you could write an email to ukhas for me
[17:37] <jcoxon> just saying when were etc
[17:45] <edwardmoore> hi james, sorry had a dos meeting
[17:45] <edwardmoore> give me more info
[17:45] <jcoxon> 10am launch
[17:45] <jcoxon> be there by 9
[17:45] <jcoxon> i'll be there 8
[17:46] <jcoxon> ummm could rocketboy bring, radio, yagi, fillimg tube, helium, cutdown explosive, parachute
[17:46] <jcoxon> henry - other yagi
[17:46] <jcoxon> i've got radio
[17:47] <edwardmoore> ok will do that now
[17:47] <edwardmoore> what is the actual address of the list?
[17:47] <edwardmoore> i've only ever replied rather than sent
[17:48] <jcoxon> ummm
[17:49] <jcoxon> ukhas <ukhas@lists.ukhas.org.uk>
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[18:13] <jcoxon> right think i've got it fixed
[18:13] <jcoxon> testing time
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[20:25] <edwardmoore> how's it going jcoxon?
[21:24] <jcoxon> hey e
[21:24] <jcoxon> edwardmoore,
[21:24] <jcoxon> not good
[21:24] <edwardmoore> ??
[21:24] <jcoxon> basically the connection for the GPS has come off
[21:24] <jcoxon> i've tried to repair it but it doesn't seem to have worked
[21:24] <edwardmoore> gree and fugger bollocks
[21:25] <jcoxon> think i might go for hte direct solder to the gumstix
[21:25] <jcoxon> stuff the connector
[21:25] <edwardmoore> yeah it might be safer
[21:25] <jcoxon> shouldn't make too much difference
[21:25] <edwardmoore> is it just a soldery mess?
[21:25] <jcoxon> i mean its been running outside for the past 3 hours
[21:25] <jcoxon> no its trying to attach a SMA connector to an end of coax
[21:26] <edwardmoore> oh that's a total total pig
[21:26] <edwardmoore> i'd rather rape a squirrel than do that
[21:26] <jcoxon> hehe
[21:26] <jcoxon> i spent all afternoon doing it
[21:26] <edwardmoore> i managed to embed the central pin of the connector into my finger tip last time i did that
[21:27] <jcoxon> i reckon direct solder to the pins on the back of the gusmtix
[21:27] <jcoxon> with some tape to insulate
[21:27] <jcoxon> at least we know that'll work
[21:27] <edwardmoore> bleeding well hope so
[21:27] <jcoxon> well atleast i know teh radio works :-d
[21:27] <edwardmoore> :)
[21:28] <jcoxon> the other issue is that the mob phone tracker is annoying me
[21:29] <jcoxon> basically i've set it up for the number i use last time
[21:29] <jcoxon> but didn't authorise it
[21:29] <jcoxon> so it wants teh code from a text message i don't have
[21:30] <edwardmoore> that sounds like a pigging pig
[21:30] <edwardmoore> can you phone the peeps?
[21:36] <jcoxon> doubt they would be helpful at this time of night
[21:36] <edwardmoore> guess the techy bananas would have gone home
[21:37] <jcoxon> grrr
[21:37] <jcoxon> could set up a new account
[21:49] <jcoxon> right soldered up
[21:49] <jcoxon> fingers crossed
[21:49] <edwardmoore> drum roll....
[21:50] <jcoxon> yup
[21:50] <jcoxon> it works
[21:55] <edwardmoore> awesome
[21:55] <edwardmoore> so what's left for tomorrow?
[21:58] <edwardmoore> jet-stream speeds have dropped on the forecast
[21:58] <edwardmoore> < 20 knots
[21:58] <jcoxon> yeah
[21:59] <jcoxon> ooo do you have a one of those battery holders AA?
[21:59] <jcoxon> you know they hold 4
[21:59] <jcoxon> and have the 9v style connector?
[21:59] <edwardmoore> the only one i can think of is on the parafoil test wrig
[21:59] <edwardmoore> and that's not a 9v-style connector
[21:59] <jcoxon> don't really want to munch the connector
[22:00] <edwardmoore> i'm pretty sure i don't have one here
[22:00] <jcoxon> hmmmm
[22:01] <jcoxon> still got to write the cutdown software
[22:01] <jcoxon> gonna make it compare hte gps coords to some rules
[22:02] <jcoxon> if bigger then x or smaller then y cut
[22:02] <edwardmoore> what are x and y?
[22:02] <jcoxon> some lats
[22:02] <jcoxon> need to boogie on google earth to work them out
[22:03] <edwardmoore> sounds like fun
[22:05] <jcoxon> damn damn damn
[22:05] <edwardmoore> ?
[22:05] <jcoxon> setting up another account
[22:05] <jcoxon> they are going to post my password to me
[22:06] <jcoxon> soooo helpful
[22:06] <edwardmoore> as in snail-mail?
[22:06] <jcoxon> waste of ?10
[22:06] <jcoxon> yup
[22:06] <edwardmoore> stupid arse-wipes
[22:07] <edwardmoore> if you loose gps, what does the radio do?
[22:07] <jcoxon> 10 secs on
[22:07] <jcoxon> + 000000
[22:07] <jcoxon> hmmm i could make it just send the last coords
[22:07] <edwardmoore> cool
[22:07] <edwardmoore> so we can triangulate our way to it
[22:07] <edwardmoore> that could be dodgey
[22:07] <jcoxon> last coords a good idea?
[22:08] <jcoxon> well
[22:08] <jcoxon> we'll get both
[22:08] <edwardmoore> not sure- we might think it's landed there
[22:08] <jcoxon> cause the phone will send the live coords to me
[22:08] <edwardmoore> if you send them it would be good to know that it's lost contact
[22:08] <jcoxon> and the last coords to zeusbot
[22:08] <jcoxon> good point
[22:08] <jcoxon> perhaps i'll set it up so that zeusbot only gets the last coords
[22:08] <edwardmoore> ok
[22:08] <jcoxon> so at least one source will have the last coords
[22:09] <jcoxon> and we get only the live feed
[22:09] <edwardmoore> yep that sounds sensible
[22:09] <jcoxon> for the digital compass -
[22:10] <jcoxon> it basically prints the bearings
[22:10] <jcoxon> at say 2hz
[22:10] <edwardmoore> do we have someone we can phone to hop onto irc and tell us what zeus is saying?
[22:10] <jcoxon> or i check my email
[22:10] <jcoxon> yeAR
[22:10] <jcoxon> yeah*
[22:10] <jcoxon> should i make it record say for one minute the bearings
[22:10] <jcoxon> every say 3 minutes
[22:10] <jcoxon> we can then use that to work out the spin
[22:11] <jcoxon> assuming a constant rate of data
[22:11] <edwardmoore> ok that sounds fair enough
[22:11] <jcoxon> haven't really got time to work out anything else
[22:11] <jcoxon> also its not mission critical
[22:15] <jcoxon> right check list time
[22:15] <jcoxon> phone works
[22:15] <jcoxon> radio works
[22:15] <jcoxon> gps works
[22:15] <edwardmoore> go-flight
[22:16] <jcoxon> going to put 1.30 between texts
[22:16] <icez> you guys thinks it's possible to code a 2D rocket simulator in half a day?:/
[22:20] <jcoxon> is that right?
[22:20] <jcoxon> or is it countdown to the wrong time?
[22:20] <edwardmoore> nope it's good
[22:24] <edwardmoore> right i'll be back a little later jcoxon
[22:24] <edwardmoore> call me should there be a disaster :)
[22:24] <jcoxon> have fun at the pav
[22:25] <jcoxon> cya
[22:25] <edwardmoore> not commiting myself to it
[22:25] <edwardmoore> cya
[22:27] <jcoxon> icez, i'm not sure
[22:27] <jcoxon> why are you coding a simulator
[22:27] <jcoxon> 2d - should be pretty simple maths?
[22:28] <icez> for a math project...since I'm too stupid to take on a smaller easier project;p
[22:28] <icez> yeah
[22:28] <icez> unfortunately I have no formulas with thrust in them
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[23:00] <msweeney> evening all
[23:00] <jcoxon> hey msweeney
[23:00] <msweeney> having problems with text messaging goodies? I may be able to assist
[23:00] <jcoxon> nope thats done
[23:01] <jcoxon> i'm inside
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[23:01] <jcoxon> hehe
[23:01] <jcoxon> i'm gettting there
[23:01] <jcoxon> writing a code to log data from the digi compass
[23:02] <msweeney> the people I use are suprisingly good, you can even process Media mesages
[23:02] <msweeney> coool
[23:02] <jcoxon> now thats interesting
[23:02] <msweeney> I got steve's pic programmer and some pics today also
[23:02] <jcoxon> msweeney, do you have a mobile phone tracker account anywhere
[23:02] <msweeney> indeed I do
[23:03] <jcoxon> i can't seem to add peg V to mine
[23:03] <jcoxon> its being annoying
[23:03] <jcoxon> any chance you could add it just in case everything goes horribly wrong
[23:03] <msweeney> send a sms to a certain number with my keyword, then the rest of the message is POSTed to a page of your choice
[23:03] <msweeney> what keyword would you like sir?
[23:03] <jcoxon> hmmm thats not it
[23:03] <jcoxon> i mean one of those things which can track a mobile phone
[23:04] <msweeney> ohhh I see
[23:04] <msweeney> sorry, no
[23:04] <jcoxon> its okay
[23:04] <jcoxon> will have to run without it
[23:04] <msweeney> you have the sms -> http bit sorted then?
[23:04] <jcoxon> yup
[23:04] <jcoxon> well
[23:04] <jcoxon> sort of
[23:04] <jcoxon> in my own special way
[23:05] <msweeney> well, If you need another then I can do this sort of thing
[23:05] <jcoxon> every time someone does !position
[23:05] <jcoxon> it'll update this file: http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~jac208/pegasus/peg5log
[23:05] <jcoxon> and also display the last position
[23:05] <msweeney> cool
[23:06] <msweeney> and I assume you're somehow getting it to message IRC also?
[23:06] <jcoxon> well only every 3rd text goes to zeusbot
[23:06] <msweeney> oh I see so that's a different system
[23:07] <jcoxon> yup
[23:07] <jcoxon> i get sent to my phone the other texts
[23:07] <msweeney> clevar
[23:07] <jcoxon> its more for others to test
[23:07] <jcoxon> also other people can send in positions
[23:07] <jcoxon> say by email or text
[23:07] <msweeney> rightio
[23:08] <msweeney> hrm, there seem to be lots of php based IRC bot clients
[23:09] <msweeney> twould be fairly simple to rig a text -> sms system to do it all through the one text
[23:09] <edwardmoore> had enough of pav
[23:09] <jcoxon> that bad ed
[23:09] <msweeney> pav?
[23:10] <jcoxon> college party thingy
[23:10] <msweeney> pavlova?
[23:10] <msweeney> tut
[23:10] <edwardmoore> a clubby type thing in college on a friday
[23:10] <msweeney> I was holding out for a meringue dessert
[23:10] <edwardmoore> well in order to enjoy it i'd have to throw myself at it with more enthusiasm
[23:10] <edwardmoore> by which i mean drink an amount that would make me sueless for tomorrow
[23:11] <edwardmoore> what time are you getting here jimbo do you know?
[23:11] <jcoxon> hehe
[23:11] <jcoxon> between 8 and 8.30
[23:11] <jcoxon> is that okay?
[23:11] <jcoxon> yeah its a bad idea to drink before a launc
[23:11] <jcoxon> h
[23:11] <edwardmoore> yep fine
[23:11] <jcoxon> experience shows
[23:11] <edwardmoore> lol
[23:12] <msweeney> slightly off topic, but I just wrote some cacheing software which sped up my php framework about 15%...am quite pleased.
[23:13] <msweeney> got the PIC programmer today, edwardmoore
[23:15] <edwardmoore> oh awesome
[23:15] <edwardmoore> had a chance to play yet or saving it for sunny saturday?
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[23:21] <msweeney> chatzilla = crashed
[23:22] <msweeney> havent had a chance to play...i dont have a power supply or parallel cable for it. Also i only have chips, no components
[23:22] <edwardmoore> ho hum, it'll be exciting when it happens
[23:23] <jcoxon> yuk
[23:23] <jcoxon> PICs
[23:23] <edwardmoore> hush
[23:23] <jcoxon> camera works
[23:23] <edwardmoore> all systems go then?
[23:25] <jcoxon> still a few things
[23:26] <jcoxon> compass logging
[23:26] <jcoxon> and cutdown script
[23:26] <edwardmoore> how far north are you letting it go?
[23:26] <jcoxon> well
[23:27] <jcoxon> thats a good question
[23:27] <jcoxon> cause do we risk the wash
[23:27] <jcoxon> but then stop it going north into lincolnshire
[23:27] <edwardmoore> i say risk it
[23:27] <edwardmoore> but then i would
[23:27] <msweeney> heh
[23:28] <edwardmoore> if it goes into the wash it might not be the end of the world
[23:28] <edwardmoore> does it float?
[23:28] <msweeney> time for me to sleep I feel. I hope the flight goes well tomorrow
[23:28] <jcoxon> eah it floats
[23:28] <jcoxon> yeah*
[23:28] <jcoxon> cya msweeney
[23:28] <jcoxon> THANKS
[23:28] <jcoxon> oops
[23:28] <edwardmoore> well my gran is the oldest and longest serving member of hunstanton sailing club, and she might be able to pull a few strings
[23:29] <jcoxon> capslock
[23:29] <edwardmoore> if a boat has to rocover it
[23:29] <jcoxon> though it wouldn't last long
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[23:32] <icez> gah stupid formulas :p
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[23:34] <jcoxon> hey rocketboy
[23:34] <rocketboy> hiya jc - ready for 2morrow
[23:34] <jcoxon> getting there
[23:34] <jcoxon> the main things are in place
[23:34] <jcoxon> just fixing no essential thigns
[23:34] <jcoxon> had a little gps issue
[23:34] <jcoxon> but i've bodged solved it
[23:34] <jcoxon> though it should hold
[23:35] <rocketboy> a bodge is as good as a fix if it works
[23:35] <jcoxon> we'll just have to see :-p
[23:35] <jcoxon> also i don't have phone tracking
[23:36] <jcoxon> it won't let me do the phone as i tried ages ago
[23:36] <jcoxon> and never entered the authentication code
[23:36] <jcoxon> so it won't let me register it unless i find the old code which is long gone
[23:36] <rocketboy> ah OK - anything I should bring (other than radio stuff and helium )
[23:36] <jcoxon> parachute
[23:36] <jcoxon> cutdown
[23:36] <jcoxon> thats about it
[23:37] <rocketboy> yep - noprobs - got eds email will bring all of that 2
[23:38] <rocketboy> I can probably be there about 9.00
[23:38] <jcoxon> okay cool
[23:41] <jcoxon> damn compass
[23:41] <jcoxon> so tempermental
[23:41] <edwardmoore> right guys, i think i'll head in. need to try and get some semblance of a decent sleep for tomorrow
[23:41] <edwardmoore> cya later
[23:41] <rocketboy> cu
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[23:42] <jcoxon> tempted to scrap
[23:42] <jcoxon> it
[23:42] <jcoxon> the compass that is
[23:42] <rocketboy> bummer
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