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[15:25] <jcoxon> hey all
[15:25] <jcoxon> anyone around?
[15:35] <Laurenceb> Hi there
[15:36] <jcoxon> hey Laurenceb do you know any php programming?
[15:37] <Laurenceb> fraid not
[15:37] <Laurenceb> isnt it similar to c ?
[15:38] <jcoxon> don't think sdo
[15:38] <jcoxon> so*
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[15:42] <jcoxon> hey edwardmoore
[15:43] <edwardmoore> hi james
[15:43] <jcoxon> thanks for all the help for sat
[15:44] <edwardmoore> i've not officially helped you yet! Still need some more details to send off the stuff :)
[15:44] <edwardmoore> a morning launch does sound very cool
[15:44] <edwardmoore> what sort of time were you thinking?
[15:44] <jcoxon> well
[15:44] <jcoxon> how keen are you?
[15:44] <edwardmoore> i'm happy to get up before sunrise
[15:45] <jcoxon> sun rises at 5:36
[15:45] <edwardmoore> which is to say- whenever
[15:45] <edwardmoore> ok
[15:45] <edwardmoore> well i'm happy to do that
[15:45] <edwardmoore> if others are
[15:45] <jcoxon> is it worth launching before though
[15:45] <jcoxon> say 5:00
[15:45] <jcoxon> to catch the sunrise at altitude
[15:46] <edwardmoore> yeah
[15:46] <edwardmoore> so we'd basically have to have everything dumped in my room the night before?
[15:46] <jcoxon> payload can be set up already
[15:46] <jcoxon> it just has 2 switches and a push button on the outside
[15:47] <edwardmoore> ok cool
[15:47] <edwardmoore> so really it's about helium
[15:47] <jcoxon> guess so
[15:47] <jcoxon> i also need to sort of a car
[15:47] <jcoxon> might ask if my dad feels like a morning chasing
[15:47] <edwardmoore> lol
[15:47] <jcoxon> he has the perfect vehicle - you'd be impressed
[15:48] <Laurenceb> willl you have video?
[15:48] <Laurenceb> catching sunrise on video would be nice
[15:48] <edwardmoore> is the jet-stream kind for 5am?
[15:48] <jcoxon> edwardmoore, http://www.landys-landrovers.co.uk/landrovers%5B2%5D.html
[15:48] <jcoxon> scroll down to the 12th one
[15:49] <edwardmoore> oh my god that's orgasmic
[15:49] <jcoxon> Laurenceb, i wasn't planning on video
[15:49] <jcoxon> cause the batteries will run out
[15:49] <jcoxon> and card will fill up
[15:49] <jcoxon> but i'll take loads of pics
[15:49] <jcoxon> say every 10 seconds
[15:49] <Laurenceb> I see
[15:49] <jcoxon> should catch it
[15:49] <Laurenceb> for ultrahab, I've converted my camera to use AA's
[15:49] <edwardmoore> this'll be cool
[15:50] <Laurenceb> should give about 7 hours battery life
[15:51] <edwardmoore> tbh I might stay up for it rather than wake up for it
[15:51] <jcoxon> thats what i was thinking
[15:51] <Laurenceb> If your camera already takes AA's, you could go for C :)
[15:51] <edwardmoore> you can come to pav if you'd like :)
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[15:51] <jcoxon> pav?
[15:51] <edwardmoore> churchill ent
[15:51] <jcoxon> pav == bop?
[15:51] <jcoxon> haha ours was cancelled
[15:51] <edwardmoore> till 1.30 on fri night/sat morn
[15:52] <edwardmoore> i have lots of coffee beans and a coffee grinder
[15:52] <edwardmoore> :)
[15:52] <jcoxon> i might give the pav a miss but boogie up afterwards
[15:53] <edwardmoore> lol, sensible
[15:53] <edwardmoore> we'll need some torches
[15:53] <edwardmoore> do you think henry would be up for it?
[15:53] <jcoxon> could be
[15:53] <jcoxon> he never sleeps
[15:53] <edwardmoore> shouldn't be much air traffic then anyway
[15:53] <jcoxon> his facebook says he is going to boston
[15:53] <jcoxon> did he get in?
[15:53] <edwardmoore> yes he's got into MIT
[15:54] <jcoxon> amazing
[15:54] <jcoxon> thats such good news
[15:54] <edwardmoore> yep very. he's over the moo
[15:54] <edwardmoore> n
[15:54] <edwardmoore> right i need to dash into town... inbfact if u fancy a drink james at sort of 5ish, shout
[15:54] <jcoxon> i'm going to coffee at 4.30
[15:54] <jcoxon> sorry
[15:55] <edwardmoore> double booked. alas
[15:55] <jcoxon> sometime before the launch definitly
[15:55] <edwardmoore> well i'll talk to you soon
[15:55] <jcoxon> yeah
[15:55] <edwardmoore> yeah
[15:55] <jcoxon> cya
[15:55] <edwardmoore> cya
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[15:56] <Laurenceb> eh?
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[16:57] <Laurenceb> http://miss2007.nuclear.ru/
[17:12] <edwardmoore> are you back jcoxon?
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[17:13] <Laurenceb> Is Henry leaving Cambridge then?
[17:14] <edwardmoore> only for a year
[17:15] <edwardmoore> it's an exchange programme
[17:15] <Laurenceb> I see
[17:15] <Laurenceb> so will that be like the third year of the degree
[17:15] <edwardmoore> yep
[17:15] <Laurenceb> nice
[17:15] <Laurenceb> I considered applying to MIT
[17:16] <Laurenceb> but the plane fares would be too pricy
[17:16] <Laurenceb> It's a very cool place
[17:16] <edwardmoore> that's quite a trivial thing to put you off in the grand scheme of things
[17:17] <Laurenceb> lol
[17:17] <Laurenceb> maybe i'm just an underachiever
[17:17] <edwardmoore> lol. It'd be having to pay overseas student fares that would put me off :)
[17:17] <Laurenceb> well Oxfords good enough I guess :)
[17:18] <edwardmoore> but you don't have to for th exchange program which makes it quite an exciting prospect
[17:18] <Laurenceb> yes it sounds a good idea
[17:19] <Laurenceb> I've been experimenting with a semi rigid parafoil design...
[17:19] <Laurenceb> looks promising
[17:20] <Laurenceb> basically like a parafoil with a frame and just a single "sail"
[17:20] <Laurenceb> the sail forms itself into an airfoil shape by itself
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[18:38] <Laurenceb> cya all
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[19:46] <mc-> hi jcoxon
[19:47] <jcoxon> hey mc-
[19:47] <jcoxon> ooo mc- do you know any web coding etc
[19:48] <jcoxon> what i want to do is put together a simple page
[19:48] <jcoxon> where people could input the long, lat and alt they hear over the radio into a form
[19:48] <jcoxon> and then have zeusbot take this and send it to say irc (i can do this bit)
[19:49] <mc-> I know some php
[19:49] <mc-> was this what Laurence was asking about?
[19:49] <mc-> msweeney is an expert on php
[19:49] <jcoxon> in the logs that was me i think
[19:50] <jcoxon> literally needs to be 3 text input boxes with a send button
[19:50] <mc-> ok, no problem
[19:50] <mc-> how does it send the data to irc?
[19:50] <jcoxon> well if i stick it on the server with zeusbot
[19:50] <jcoxon> i could get zeusbot to read say a file every 5 secs
[19:50] <jcoxon> and then send it to irc
[19:51] <mc-> ok, so you give zeusbot a url and it reads it periodically
[19:51] <mc-> can you test it now
[19:51] <jcoxon> well more could hte php log to a file
[19:52] <jcoxon> and then zeusbot could read that file (on hte same server
[19:52] <mc-> I've give you a link in a few minutes to a page
[19:52] <jcoxon> thansk
[19:52] <jcoxon> thanks
[19:56] <mc-> does the position come in a degrees format?
[19:57] <jcoxon> ooo good point
[19:58] <jcoxon> it'll be something like 52.23232
[19:58] <jcoxon> so i guess thats decimal
[19:59] <jcoxon> mc-, i've got another question you could help me with
[19:59] <jcoxon> the radio transmitter is drifting over time
[19:59] <jcoxon> is this normal?
[19:59] <mc-> yes
[20:00] <mc-> how much drift?
[20:00] <mc-> is the transmitter a module from rfsolutions?
[20:00] <jcoxon> umm i'm not sure i "stole" it off the nova guys
[20:01] <jcoxon> its one of rocketboys they call it the lego brick
[20:01] <mc-> ok, I know. Yes, it will drift on powerup, and should settle down
[20:01] <jcoxon> okay i'll leave it running and see what happens
[20:02] <mc-> how much drift?
[20:02] <jcoxon> hmmm trying to work it out now
[20:02] <jcoxon> on the waterfall display about from -1500 to -1000 in about 6 or 7 minutes
[20:02] <mc-> what receiver are you using?
[20:03] <jcoxon> at the mo the nova one which is an alinco X10
[20:03] <mc-> I'm working on a webpage now, I'm going to make it work with my NMEA format
[20:04] <jcoxon> okay
[20:04] <mc-> the X10 has an AM mode?
[20:04] <mc-> how much are they?
[20:04] <jcoxon> yup
[20:04] <jcoxon> umm about ?150 i think
[20:05] <jcoxon> though apparently the sensitivity is rubbish
[20:05] <jcoxon> or something like that
[20:05] <jcoxon> not sure they are recommended
[20:05] <jcoxon> mc-, for the webpage
[20:05] <jcoxon> all i really needed was a text input box
[20:05] <mc-> yes, no problem
[20:06] <jcoxon> zeusbot can do the hard work
[20:14] <mc-> worked out, I still need to write some php code, as the text entered needs to be posted onto a webpage
[20:34] <jcoxon> cool
[20:36] <mc-> sending you an email with something to try
[20:45] <mc-> and I've set up a SMS receive system with msweeney
[20:46] <jcoxon> oh right
[20:46] <jcoxon> thats really cool
[20:47] <jcoxon> what would be great is a textbox for them to enter that into
[20:47] <jcoxon> how does that sms system work then?
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[20:50] <jcoxon> great that you can come on sat
[20:50] <jcoxon> though ed and i were thinking about a predawn launch to catch the sunrise - a little bit too early? :-D
[20:50] <mc-> send SMS to 07766 404142 with gps as 1st word, but it uses my NMEA format
[20:51] <jcoxon> wow that command still works
[20:51] <mc-> is that getting the position from a webpage?
[20:52] <jcoxon> no, basically i've set up one of those sms2email systems
[20:52] <jcoxon> so if you text a number
[20:52] <jcoxon> it emails it to an account
[20:52] <mc-> I remember now
[20:52] <jcoxon> every few minutes zeusbot checks the account
[20:52] <jcoxon> and dumps it in a file
[20:52] <mc-> so you have some perl to check the account?
[20:52] <jcoxon> when you do !position it reads that file
[20:52] <jcoxon> yup
[20:53] <mc-> I don't know perl, and am a beginner on php
[20:53] <edwardmoore> jcoxon don't go anywhere
[20:54] <jcoxon> okay
[20:58] <edwardmoore> will be with u later
[20:58] <edwardmoore> need to talk helium et shizzle
[20:58] <jcoxon> i'll be back in about 30mins
[20:58] <jcoxon> is that okay?
[20:58] <rocketboy> I have about 1.3cu m of helium left from the last launch
[20:58] <jcoxon> oh right
[20:59] <rocketboy> the clyender is due up on monday - so its either use it up or pay extra
[20:59] <jcoxon> okay
[20:59] <jcoxon> how much will that lift?
[21:00] <rocketboy> about 1.3Kg less balloon
[21:00] <jcoxon> right i'll weigh my payload
[21:00] <jcoxon> back in 30mins
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[21:44] <mc-> hi rocketboy, do you think my payload is flyable?
[21:45] <rocketboy> humm - still need to fix the GPS ant - but otherwise yep
[21:45] <rocketboy> would the origianl ant work?
[21:46] <mc-> I think the active ant should work
[21:47] <mc-> perhaps with the standard length cable
[21:47] <rocketboy> - but it needs some attenuation right?
[21:48] <mc-> yes, but you could put some attenuation, with an inductor in parallel
[21:48] <rocketboy> yep
[21:48] <rocketboy> I'll give it another go tomorrow night
[21:49] <mc-> great, thanks
[22:10] <jcoxon> right i'm back
[22:12] <rocketboy> and it weighs?
[22:12] <jcoxon> oh sorry still haven't done that
[22:12] <jcoxon> that wasn't why i was away
[22:12] <rocketboy> ah ok
[22:12] <jcoxon> hmmm let me go and find some scales
[22:13] <jcoxon> 300g
[22:14] <rocketboy> Ok - what balloon do you want to use
[22:15] <jcoxon> well i've got a 500gm
[22:15] <jcoxon> but it looks the same colour as the balloon we used for peg III
[22:15] <jcoxon> which was bit dodgey
[22:15] <rocketboy> OK - I'll do the calcs
[22:15] <jcoxon> henry has also offered a 350
[22:15] <jcoxon> so i'm not sure
[22:15] <jcoxon> mc-, i've checked out the site
[22:16] <jcoxon> so if people enter positions in it'll save them and plot them on hte map
[22:17] <rocketboy> Ok - I think MC wanted to fly too - would that be possible on yours as a train - or sepearte?
[22:17] <jcoxon> i can fly train i guess
[22:18] <jcoxon> does he have a cutdown?
[22:19] <rocketboy> well there is one - but I havn't tested it
[22:19] <jcoxon> i've also got one
[22:19] <jcoxon> i think its time for a wiki page to collect info
[22:20] <rocketboy> I presume you will be using 434.075MHz
[22:20] <jcoxon> yup
[22:20] <jcoxon> it'll be just doing morse
[22:20] <jcoxon> 11 wpm
[22:20] <jcoxon> PEGVlat/long/alt
[22:21] <rocketboy> sounds good
[22:22] <edwardmoore> jcoxon will you be about at 11?
[22:23] <jcoxon> edwardmoore, yup
[22:23] <edwardmoore> cool, back soon
[22:23] <jcoxon> rocketboy, what are your thoughts on a very early morning launch?
[22:24] <rocketboy> how early?
[22:25] <rocketboy> sunrise?
[22:25] <jcoxon> yeah
[22:25] <rocketboy> ahhhhhgggggggggggg
[22:25] <jcoxon> thought that might be the response
[22:25] <rocketboy> which is what time?
[22:25] <rocketboy> on sat
[22:25] <jcoxon> 5.26
[22:25] <jcoxon> 5.36 sorry
[22:26] <jcoxon> perhaps we should wait till the winter for that
[22:26] <jcoxon> when its a little later
[22:26] <rocketboy> perhaps
[22:27] <jcoxon> okay lets not do a sunrise
[22:27] <jcoxon> we can always try that a little later
[22:27] <jcoxon> go for a normal time launch
[22:27] <jcoxon> say 10
[22:27] <rocketboy> yeah - no probs with 10
[22:31] <jcoxon> from the sounds of it we probably won't get any nova helium
[22:32] <mc-> jcoxon, I did a text box on a webpage
[22:32] <mc-> see my email
[22:32] <rocketboy> Hang on - I'll see if 1.3cu m will do - i can always get some more
[22:32] <jcoxon> yeah i saw it - was wondering what format to put it in
[22:33] <mc-> lat,lon
[22:33] <jcoxon> right launch plans here: http://wiki.ukhas.org.uk/projects:pegasus:pegasus_v
[22:33] <jcoxon> mc-, okay
[22:33] <mc-> e.g. 52.1,-0.7
[22:33] <jcoxon> are you happy for me to run the mission through that
[22:33] <jcoxon> so get people if they hear a position to enter it
[22:34] <jcoxon> or would you like me to host it on pegasushabproject.org.uk
[22:34] <mc-> I can send you my page, if you want to to host it
[22:34] <jcoxon> okay that sounds good
[22:34] <jcoxon> rocketboy says you have a payload to fly as well?
[22:35] <rocketboy> Its the one I have from mc
[22:37] <rocketboy> just checked - I think we will need more a bit more helium
[22:37] <mc-> don't worry about my payload...it's not critical
[22:39] <rocketboy> humm - even with 300g payload and 350g balloon its a bit marginal on gas
[22:40] <rocketboy> I'll get another N10 anyways
[22:41] <jcoxon> rocketboy, are you sure about that
[22:41] <jcoxon> not the calculations
[22:41] <jcoxon> i mean i can get a tank
[22:41] <jcoxon> (though it might be easier if you did it - just don't want it to be a hassle)
[22:42] <rocketboy> I don't mind either way - the gas place is just round the corner form work - literally 200 yards
[22:42] <jcoxon> okay
[22:42] <jcoxon> if you don't mind
[22:43] <jcoxon> i'll pay you back
[22:43] <rocketboy> no worries well sort that out
[22:44] <rocketboy> the gas is just a bit cheaper than part days
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[22:45] <msweeney> evening
[22:45] <jcoxon> hey msweeney
[22:45] <jcoxon> rocketboy, i've got a cutdown circuit - do you have any spare cutdown explosive thingys?
[22:46] Action: msweeney has a VIP invite from NASA to the next shuttle launch :D Me and the rest of the top gear crew!
[22:46] Action: jcoxon doesn't like msweeney now
[22:46] <msweeney> heh. I can't really afford to fly to Florida tho
[22:47] <rocketboy> hiya ms - I have been hunting around for a PSU for days - I cant find one - so I'll ship tomorrow without
[22:47] <jcoxon> well we are in the middle of our launch preparations
[22:47] <rocketboy> jc - yep cutdowns no prob
[22:47] <msweeney> no probs rocketboy, i'll find one somewhere i'm sure.
[22:48] <msweeney> so I see, I had a bit of a read of the logs before I came along
[22:48] <msweeney> all sounds very excellent
[22:48] <mc-> msweeney, when's the next shuttle launch? flights are cheap to Florida
[22:48] <msweeney> july 8th IIRC
[22:48] <msweeney> cheap as in "on a student loan" cheap?
[22:49] <msweeney> BA reckon £450 return
[22:51] <rocketboy> so ms - you part of the TG shuttle thing?
[22:51] <msweeney> aye
[22:51] <rocketboy> excellent
[22:52] Action: msweeney was motor bitch, general helper and "stopping mcflan from breaking down" bitch
[22:54] <mc-> ms - look on flyzoom.com - flights to NYC at 100 return.
[22:54] <msweeney> looking, mc-
[22:56] <msweeney> is it easy to get connections from JFK -> miami?
[22:56] <rocketboy> that j mcf is highly strung
[22:56] <msweeney> well, he can seem a bit but he's a good guy
[22:56] <msweeney> in the end, it was his fault it ended like it did tho :(
[22:59] <mc-> Southwest.com flies from NYC to Florida
[23:00] <rocketboy> - the explosive bolts not working?
[23:00] <rocketboy> still - I'm told that was known before the flight.
[23:01] <msweeney> well we knew it might not work, but not that it deffo wouldn't
[23:01] <msweeney> you might guess that by the footage of us in the bunker...it was quite heated
[23:02] <rocketboy> yeah - but still an amazing feat IMO
[23:02] <msweeney> mc-, flyzoom gives me completely random dates several weeks in the future from when I say i want to fly
[23:03] <msweeney> rocketboy definitely, so much credit to Colin & Damian for making it happen.
[23:04] <mc-> flyzoom is a bit random
[23:04] Action: msweeney wonders exactly what their "economy standard" actually entails during that 8hr flight...
[23:05] <rocketboy> torture
[23:05] <msweeney> i wouldn't be surprised at all.
[23:05] <msweeney> snakes on a plane stylee
[23:05] <jcoxon> hehe
[23:06] <rocketboy> west cost flights are M worse
[23:06] <rocketboy> 8 hours it not 2 bad
[23:07] <msweeney> the most i've ever done is 3 1/2 to Iceland
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[23:10] <rocketboy> so - I was on a flight to calf (12 hours I think) and decided not to look at my watch as it would make the time go faster - so i didn't look at it for hours and hours and hours (so it seemed) - but actullay wheni looked it it again we were only 1/2 way there aggghhhhhhh - torture
[23:10] <msweeney> ouch!
[23:11] Action: msweeney wonders if his boss will understand him taking the first day of work off to fit NASA in...
[23:12] <msweeney> how old do you have to be to rent a car in the states?
[23:12] <jcoxon> 21
[23:12] <msweeney> arse
[23:12] <msweeney> 20
[23:13] <mc-> you don't want to drive to florida?
[23:14] <rocketboy> humm - will offer to drive you for the mere fee of a VIP ticket and plane fare to US - bargin
[23:14] <msweeney> BA flies to miami, its about 3hrs to cape canaveral
[23:14] <msweeney> 55% of the flight costs to Miami are taxes :|
[23:18] <mc-> I'm in the US now
[23:18] <rocketboy> bummer - what about the other guys driving mcf and co are old gits ;-)
[23:19] <msweeney> chances are they're not going. someone will be driving tho I'm sure, i'll just have to arrange something
[23:20] <mc-> can you delay until later this year, flights should be cheaper
[23:20] <msweeney> I'll just phone NASA and tell them to put the shuttle on hold
[23:20] <msweeney> I know absolutely nothing about travelling to the States...but am I right in thinking that you don't need a VISA unless you're planning on working?
[23:21] <msweeney> not quite sure why VISA is in caps, force of habit
[23:21] <mc-> no visa required
[23:21] <mc-> are there no more shuttle flights later this year?
[23:21] <msweeney> good good
[23:22] <msweeney> I think my invite is for the next one
[23:22] <edwardmoore> hi all
[23:23] <edwardmoore> sorry jcoxon, evening's been a bit crazy
[23:23] <msweeney> not sure tho, havent officially received it in the post yet...just got an email from them
[23:23] <msweeney> evening
[23:24] <edwardmoore> hi martin
[23:24] <edwardmoore> james- departmental helium could be a problem
[23:24] <edwardmoore> henry and I spent an hour trying to find a driver
[23:24] <jcoxon> well we might have a temp solution
[23:24] <jcoxon> rocketboy still has some left in his tank
[23:24] <edwardmoore> when we finally did, we excitedly went to the office to book the van.... which is out of action untill next week due to bodywork
[23:25] <edwardmoore> ok that could be rather spiff
[23:25] <jcoxon> thanks for all the work though1
[23:25] <msweeney> right, time for bed. Lots of revision/learning to fit in tomorrow
[23:25] <msweeney> adios
[23:25] <edwardmoore> we need to facilitate some foodage for saturday morning wee small hours :)
[23:26] <jcoxon> edwardmoore, i'm not sure we are going for the early morning
[23:26] <jcoxon> cause it'll just be me and you
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[23:26] <jcoxon> tis a little early for rocketboy
[23:26] <edwardmoore> don't tell me common sense and logic has previaled over crazy fantasy??
[23:26] <edwardmoore> lol, understandable
[23:26] <jcoxon> lets go for 10
[23:26] <jcoxon> and get some sleep
[23:27] <edwardmoore> ok fair enough
[23:29] <edwardmoore> I've emailed the churchill powers-that-be and I hope to hear from them tomorrow.
[23:31] <jcoxon> excellent
[23:32] <jcoxon> radio is working nicely
[23:32] <jcoxon> am just setting up the camera
[23:32] <edwardmoore> cool. anything else need sorting?
[23:32] <jcoxon> hmmmho
[23:32] <rocketboy> cu guys - I'm off 2 bed
[23:32] <jcoxon> night
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[23:32] <jcoxon> fill in launch page: http://wiki.ukhas.org.uk/projects:pegasus:pegasus_v
[23:32] <jcoxon> ummm its coming along
[23:33] <edwardmoore> are you videoing the burst?
[23:33] <jcoxon> nope
[23:33] <jcoxon> camera won't last long enough
[23:33] <jcoxon> needs too much adaptation
[23:34] <jcoxon> the aims section is totally off
[23:34] <edwardmoore> lol yeah
[23:34] <jcoxon> will update when i get time
[23:34] <edwardmoore> ok
[23:34] <edwardmoore> the jet-stream is currently pointing it up towards yorkshire
[23:35] <jcoxon> its nice and slow though
[23:35] <jcoxon> i think we'll be okay
[23:35] <edwardmoore> oh yeah it's lovely
[23:35] <edwardmoore> the yorkshire bit was direction rather than magnitude- and it's a good direction anyway
[23:35] <edwardmoore> i.e. inland
[23:35] <jcoxon> indeed
[23:36] <jcoxon> should be good
[23:36] <jcoxon> i never got round to the accelerometers
[23:36] <jcoxon> will have to go on the next flight
[23:36] <edwardmoore> they're not particularly key to anything tho anyway
[23:37] <jcoxon> right i'm not getting anywhere with this - means one thing
[23:38] <jcoxon> time for bed
[23:38] <jcoxon> cya all
[23:38] <edwardmoore> cya soon
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