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[12:57] <Golfgeo> Hi all
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[16:52] <jcoxon> afternoon all
[16:55] <icez> hi
[17:00] <jcoxon> lunar eclipse tonight
[17:00] <jcoxon> :-D
[17:01] <phatmonkey> afternoon james!
[17:14] <jcoxon> hey phatmonkey
[17:14] <jcoxon> hows it going?
[17:19] <phatmonkey> pretty good, apart from loads of work and other things
[17:19] <phatmonkey> yourself?
[17:19] <phatmonkey> and pegasus v ;)
[17:23] <jcoxon> peg V is coming along nicely
[17:23] <jcoxon> comms are now sorted
[17:25] <jcoxon> next to set up the sensors
[17:26] <jcoxon> need to borrow the crimper
[17:30] <jcoxon> bbl
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[18:48] <Golfgeo> Hi all
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[18:54] <Laurenceb_> I've made some panoramas from the MiHAB3 video
[18:54] <Laurenceb_> does anyone know of some good software for doing it tho??
[18:55] <Laurenceb_> I used a demo version of something cheap
[18:59] <Golfgeo> Laurenceb_ There was a group of students that wrote a nice app. Can't remember the name, though :-(
[19:00] <Laurenceb_> yes the thing I found works but not very well
[19:01] <Golfgeo> Is it the same app?
[19:01] <Laurenceb_> erm it called zoner panorama maker
[19:01] <Golfgeo> Tel me check online... brb
[19:02] <Laurenceb_> I bought an olympus camera and it came with a free panorama maker
[19:02] <Golfgeo> Nope, not the same app
[19:02] <Laurenceb_> but I really need something for 2d arrangements
[19:03] <Laurenceb_> so you can stack the photos one above the other
[19:03] <Golfgeo> The app I mean was made as a Phd themis at I believe Berley
[19:03] <Golfgeo> *Berkley
[19:03] <Golfgeo> Ah, stiching...
[19:03] <Laurenceb_> I see
[19:03] <Laurenceb_> yes
[19:04] <Golfgeo> I'm going to do a search online. brb
[19:05] <Laurenceb_> I thought it might be possible to stitch the photos, but as the payload ascends, the view seems to change too much
[19:06] <Golfgeo> Here you go: http://www.cs.ubc.ca/~mbrown/autostitch/autostitch.html
[19:06] <Laurenceb_> cool , I'll check it out
[19:06] <Golfgeo> That doesn't matter... This doftware should solve that (I hope ;-) )
[19:07] <Laurenceb_> looks like you can just chuck the images in :)
[19:08] <Golfgeo> Yep, thats the way I roll ;-)
[19:08] <Golfgeo> IT should make life easier, not more complicated....
[19:10] <Laurenceb_> okay I've downloaded it, time to try it out
[19:11] <Golfgeo> :-)
[19:11] <Laurenceb_> awsome this is sweet
[19:12] <Laurenceb_> I've just redome the drevious panoramas
[19:12] <Golfgeo> In 30 sec, right?
[19:12] <Laurenceb_> I'll upload it onto the wiki
[19:12] <Laurenceb_> yes!
[19:13] <Golfgeo> IT, I love it...
[19:13] <Laurenceb_> I had to manually match features before lol
[19:13] <Golfgeo> Did you do the "stitch to 100%"?
[19:14] <Laurenceb_> erm I just loaded the pictures, havent played with the settings yet
[19:14] <Laurenceb_> It fired up and sorted everything!
[19:14] <Golfgeo> Oke
[19:15] <Golfgeo> Yea, I tried it on the demo images and worked great... But it does have some options...
[19:15] <Golfgeo> lens settings etc...
[19:15] <Golfgeo> Only 17 hours to go on my ebey bid... argh, that page loades to slow...
[19:16] <Laurenceb_> yes it looks like it sorted the lens by itself
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[19:18] Action: Golfgeo is buying GPS units in bulk... Bidding in three auctions a.t.m...
[19:19] <mythtv> hey jc
[19:19] Nick change: mythtv -> Max0
[19:20] <jcoxon> hey all
[19:20] <Golfgeo> Hi mate
[19:20] <Laurenceb_> hi there
[19:20] <jcoxon> only here for a few minutes
[19:20] <Laurenceb_> check out the mihab3 page, I've got a cool panorama
[19:21] <Laurenceb_> got some new software
[19:21] <Laurenceb_> for stitching
[19:21] <jcoxon> they look really good
[19:21] <Laurenceb_> way better than my previous stuff
[19:22] <jcoxon> :-)
[19:22] <Laurenceb_> shure your not looking at the previous one?
[19:22] <Golfgeo> Is the first or the second one new?
[19:22] <Laurenceb_> I'm just uploading a new one
[19:22] <Laurenceb_> erm just checking
[19:23] <Laurenceb_> sorry wiki is crashing, always happens...
[19:23] <Golfgeo> lol
[19:23] <Laurenceb_> arg it wont refresh.....
[19:24] <Golfgeo> Give it a moment...
[19:24] <Golfgeo> The second one should be the new one...
[19:25] <Golfgeo> yea, "2007/03/03 19:18"
[19:26] <Laurenceb_> yes thats it
[19:26] <Laurenceb_> and 1st with the old app
[19:26] <Laurenceb_> much better :)
[19:26] <Golfgeo> A bit foggy though
[19:26] <Golfgeo> :-P
[19:26] <Golfgeo> :-)
[19:26] <Laurenceb_> yes thats the mpeg compression
[19:26] <Golfgeo> Perspective is good
[19:27] <Laurenceb_> I used the origional mpegs for max quality
[19:27] <Laurenceb_> the google vid one has been compressed 3 times and the wmv twice
[19:27] <Golfgeo> Wll, I hope that those are "rolling hills"
[19:28] <Golfgeo> *Well
[19:28] <Laurenceb_> its the payload rocking up and down as it spins
[19:29] <Golfgeo> Try putting in all the images and see what happens (of the entier flight)
[19:29] <Laurenceb_> I predict crashed laptop lol
[19:30] <Golfgeo> I don't think so. Should be oke, it aint MS you know...
[19:30] <Golfgeo> :-P
[19:30] <Laurenceb_> well here goes...
[19:30] <Laurenceb_> I may be absent for a while :)
[19:30] <Golfgeo> :-)
[19:31] <Golfgeo> cy later
[19:31] <Laurenceb_> lol I think it will be okay
[19:32] <Golfgeo> I know
[19:32] <Laurenceb_> loading image 1 of 312
[19:32] <Laurenceb_> image 40.....
[19:33] <Golfgeo> One time I had to print to pdf a file with 2000 pages. The machine locked up for a whole night....
[19:33] <Laurenceb_> well at least it worked
[19:33] <Golfgeo> But it pulled through
[19:34] <Golfgeo> On my machine it did, on a mates it didn't... lol
[19:34] <Laurenceb_> I think it will put together the best poss panorama
[19:34] <Golfgeo> poss ?
[19:34] <Laurenceb_> before I put in the folder containing images for 2 panoramas
[19:34] <Laurenceb_> possible
[19:35] <Golfgeo> ah, yep it should...
[19:35] <Laurenceb_> it only made the larger panorama in that case
[19:35] <Golfgeo> hmm
[19:36] <Laurenceb_> I've loaded about 1/2 the images
[19:37] <Golfgeo> I've lookied into image prossesing using GIS systems and it should be posible to stitch using autodesk map software. But that is 2D...
[19:38] <Laurenceb_> GIS systems?
[19:38] <Golfgeo> Grapical Information Systems...
[19:38] <Golfgeo> Geagraphical...
[19:38] <Golfgeo> Argh
[19:38] <Laurenceb_> lol
[19:38] <Golfgeo> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geographic_information_system
[19:39] <Laurenceb_> ah okay
[19:39] <Laurenceb_> 3/4 of images...
[19:42] <Laurenceb_> images loaded.....
[19:43] <Golfgeo> And, the result is?
[19:43] <Laurenceb_> matching features....
[19:43] <Laurenceb_> could take a while yet
[19:43] <Golfgeo> ah, the suspense is killing....
[19:43] <Laurenceb_> it was just loading the images off the hdd
[19:44] <Golfgeo> lol
[19:44] <Laurenceb_> now its processing them
[19:44] <Laurenceb_> I might clock my laptop up to 2GHz
[19:44] <Golfgeo> Why would you do that?
[19:45] <Laurenceb_> faster processing?
[19:45] <Laurenceb_> theres a control
[19:45] <Golfgeo> 99.99% of the time you shouldn't need it and so 99.99% of the time it's a drain on you batt.
[19:45] <Laurenceb_> yes its on 333mhz, but you can switch it up without rebooting, its stepspeed
[19:46] <Golfgeo> I have a intel Core Duo @ 1.6 Ghz in my laptop and in bat mode it uses 1Ghz
[19:46] <Golfgeo> Ah, why do you run it at that level when you at home???
[19:46] <Laurenceb_> yes I've got similar but amd
[19:47] <Laurenceb_> I'm not at home I'm on a bench in a park using wifi
[19:47] <Golfgeo> A hot potato you got there... Don't you pass that on to me...
[19:47] <Max0> my laptop is 100mhz
[19:47] <Max0> :D
[19:48] <Laurenceb_> rendering...
[19:49] <Golfgeo> I got a 17 inch widescreen on my laptop, bead that :-P
[19:49] <Golfgeo> *beat
[19:49] <Laurenceb_> damit it stitched the prelaunch photos
[19:50] <Golfgeo> Did the rest come out oke?
[19:50] <Laurenceb_> of course they make a wonderful match
[19:50] <Golfgeo> (rest of photo)
[19:50] <Laurenceb_> nothing else came out
[19:50] <Golfgeo> Oke, perhaps not
[19:50] <Golfgeo> Ah, give it another go
[19:50] <Laurenceb_> I'll have a play, hopefully I dont have to reload
[19:52] <Laurenceb_> no I do groan
[19:53] <Laurenceb_> oh well only 300 images this time
[19:53] <Golfgeo> That should eb a bit faster... But use the Mhz'es, they are there for this...
[19:54] <Laurenceb_> okay up to 2ghz
[19:54] <Golfgeo> lol
[19:55] <Laurenceb_> woot its flying through the images
[19:56] <Laurenceb_> 1/2 loaded already
[19:59] <Laurenceb_> I think the lunar eclipse is starting...
[20:02] <Laurenceb_> erm not this isnt reaally working oh well
[20:03] <Golfgeo> He, you did try and thats beter than not...
[20:04] <Laurenceb_> it might work if I went and found some matching photos
[20:04] <Golfgeo> It should do it for you...
[20:05] <Golfgeo> But you could make individual pano's of different "recording moments"...
[20:07] <Laurenceb_> yes
[20:07] <Laurenceb_> Okay I've got to get back to work, lots of stuff to do...
[20:07] <Golfgeo> Have fun
[20:07] <Laurenceb_> cya
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[21:26] <jcoxon> hey all
[21:26] <jcoxon> i'm back
[21:30] <jcoxon> hmmm look at this!
[21:30] <jcoxon> http://www.makezine.com/blog/archive/2007/03/diy_space_make_video_podc.html
[21:45] <icez> cool
[21:47] <jcoxon> might send them the ukhas link
[21:47] <jcoxon> and also this channel
[21:47] <icez> i thought it was illegal to use ham radios for aerial stuff but what do i know=p
[21:48] <jcoxon> hehe
[21:48] <jcoxon> it is in the UK
[21:48] <jcoxon> not in the US
[21:48] <icez> oh ok
[21:50] <icez> we should tell them that it's still far from space though
[21:50] <icez> :p
[21:50] <icez> but that would probably ruin their fun
[21:51] <jcoxon> hehe
[21:51] <jcoxon> its "Near Space"
[21:54] <jcoxon> right i emailed their mailing list
[21:55] Action: icez waits for the 300 people that come in once they talk about us online
[21:55] <icez> :p
[21:55] <jcoxon> hehe - maybe
[21:55] <phatmonkey> yeah i noticed the make mag project, looks interesting
[21:55] <jcoxon> well i'll be here for a while
[21:55] <jcoxon> i'm watching hte eclipse plus trying to solder to my gumstix
[21:56] <icez> lunar one today right?
[21:56] <jcoxon> yup
[21:56] <icez> there's a partial solar eclipse on the 19th
[21:56] <jcoxon> bbiab
[21:57] <phatmonkey> nice, they linked to pegasus and our flickr group!
[21:57] <icez> they did?
[21:57] <icez> wow
[21:58] <phatmonkey> http://flickr.com/photos/phatmonkey/200395857/ - i'm thinking of selling this. do you think i should keep it just in case of a high altitude glider? it's rather cute anyway
[21:58] <phatmonkey> it'd be a neat high altitude glider
[21:58] <icez> looks cool
[21:59] <phatmonkey> much easier to mount thermopiles on it than the zagi actually
[21:59] <icez> does it have enough space for electronics?
[22:00] <phatmonkey> it'd fit a gumstix, small radio, smallish lipo pack and misc boards pretty comfortably
[22:00] <icez> wow
[22:00] <phatmonkey> or maybe something instead of a gumstix to save power
[22:00] <jcoxon> its certainly interesting
[22:00] <icez> a picotux maybe :]
[22:00] <jcoxon> i don't think power is really an issue with this
[22:01] <jcoxon> runs on lower voltage with a pic
[22:01] <jcoxon> then a pic*
[22:01] <icez> are you guys all using macs or what?:P
[22:01] <jcoxon> hehe only phatmonkey and me
[22:02] <jcoxon> haha
[22:02] <jcoxon> just got an email back from the organiser dude
[22:02] <jcoxon> "Contacts
[22:02] <jcoxon> Labels
[22:02] <jcoxon> Edit labels
[22:02] <jcoxon> Invite a friend
[22:02] <jcoxon> Give Google Mail to:
[22:02] <jcoxon> Send Invitation 50 left
[22:02] <jcoxon> preview invitation
[22:02] <jcoxon> < > Customise
[22:02] <jcoxon> Web Clip
[22:02] <jcoxon> Quote of the Day - Toni Morrison - "Make a difference about something other than yourselves."
[22:02] <jcoxon> ? Back to Inbox
[22:02] <jcoxon> ArchiveReport SpamDelete
[22:02] <jcoxon> 1 of 4 Older ?
[22:02] <phatmonkey> wuhoh
[22:02] <jcoxon> Some Links Inbox
[22:02] <icez> woops
[22:02] <jcoxon>
[22:02] <jcoxon> jacoxon@googlemail.com
[22:02] <jcoxon> Hey all, Found this via Boing Boing and Make - I'm the guy who does the pegas...
[22:02] <jcoxon> 21:51 (10 minutes ago)
[22:02] <jcoxon>
[22:02] <jcoxon>
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[22:03] <jcoxon> Bre Pettis <brepettis@gmail.com>
[22:03] <jcoxon> to n3rd
[22:03] <jcoxon>
[22:03] <jcoxon> show details
[22:03] <jcoxon> 21:56 (5 minutes ago)
[22:03] <jcoxon> Thanks man, You rock!!!"
[22:03] <jcoxon> oops
[22:03] <jcoxon> sorry flooded then
[22:03] <jcoxon> copied a little too much
[22:03] <icez> hehe
[22:03] <jcoxon> stupid googlemail
[22:04] <jcoxon> i'm having to shift all my stuff slowly to my google account as the uni will close my cam.ac.uk when i graduate
[22:04] <icez> aww
[22:04] <icez> you can fetch pop3 accounts from gmail now
[22:05] <icez> my college email is empty
[22:07] <icez> oh wow, actually I have 1 email saying I got 30/30 on my report, woohoo!
[22:07] <icez> :)
[22:11] <jcoxon> cool
[22:12] <phatmonkey> the channel logs are on your cam.ac.uk space aren't they?
[22:12] <jcoxon> yup
[22:13] <phatmonkey> zeusbot too?
[22:13] <jcoxon> yup
[22:13] <jcoxon> zeusbot will move eventually
[22:13] <phatmonkey> i can probably get a log bot on here if that's a problem
[22:14] <jcoxon> shouldn't be
[22:14] <phatmonkey> i run a huge bot on gamesurge
[22:14] <phatmonkey> okay
[22:14] <jcoxon> will cross that bridge when we need to
[22:14] <jcoxon> got a couple on months left!
[22:14] <icez> or maybe even put #space's Huygens here when I get around to finishing it;p
[22:14] <phatmonkey> there's somebody at oxford who does things with ukhas isn't there?
[22:16] <phatmonkey> i'm thinking of applying to oxford rather than cambridge
[22:16] <phatmonkey> still the matter of whether i'll get in of course!
[22:17] <jcoxon> laurence
[22:17] <jcoxon> :-)
[22:17] <jcoxon> whats put you off cambridge?
[22:18] <phatmonkey> i'm thinking of doing physics. cambridge have a natural sciences course, with choices of mixtures of sciences
[22:18] <phatmonkey> but oxford have a straight physics course
[22:19] <phatmonkey> basically i got told that i have a much better chance of getting into the physics course!
[22:19] <jcoxon> oh right
[22:19] <phatmonkey> loads of people want to do natural sciences (for biology and chemistry), but nobody seems to want to do physics
[22:19] <jcoxon> i know a few natsci physicists
[22:19] <phatmonkey> bit silly really
[22:20] <phatmonkey> is that purely physics?
[22:20] <jcoxon> well now they do
[22:20] <jcoxon> in their first year they did a mix
[22:20] <phatmonkey> ah i see
[22:20] <jcoxon> but by the second year they specialised
[22:20] <phatmonkey> yeah
[22:20] <phatmonkey> it's really annoying that you can only apply to cambridge *or* oxford
[22:21] <jcoxon> but if not everyone would apply to both
[22:21] <icez> cambridge have hawking :]
[22:21] <phatmonkey> yeah, i suppose
[22:21] <jcoxon> indeed
[22:21] <jcoxon> he gave a few lectures last week apparently
[22:21] <jcoxon> should have gone
[22:21] <phatmonkey> and cusf!
[22:22] <phatmonkey> will have to start ousf with laurence if he's still about
[22:22] <jcoxon> hehe
[22:22] <jcoxon> he's a 4th year
[22:22] <jcoxon> so i think he graduates this year
[22:23] <phatmonkey> ah right
[22:23] <phatmonkey> are you graduating this year then?
[22:24] <jcoxon> sort of
[22:24] <jcoxon> i graduate from cambridge with my BA
[22:24] <jcoxon> but then i'm carrying on at london
[22:24] <jcoxon> its in theory the same course
[22:25] <phatmonkey> sounds rather complicated
[22:25] <jcoxon> half the year stay
[22:25] <jcoxon> the other half move
[22:25] <jcoxon> basically i end up with lots of degrees
[22:26] <icez> you're doing medicine right?
[22:27] <jcoxon> yup
[22:27] <icez> Dr. Coxon :]
[22:28] <jcoxon> indeed
[22:28] <jcoxon> icez, in 3 years time hopefully
[22:28] <icez> i'm still a long way from any PHD's
[22:31] <icez> and i'm realizing computer science isn't at all what I thought it was :]
[22:36] Action: jcoxon jumps for joy - he's managed to resolder a wire to the teeny-weeny holes on a GPSstix which were origianlly full of solder
[22:43] <Golfgeo> icez, what are you talking about, Computer Science is great. With it you can work in almost any field
[22:43] <icez> never said it wasn't
[22:43] <icez> I get to make fun of CIS people;)
[22:45] <Golfgeo> Tel me ?cis?
[22:45] <icez> Computer Information Systems
[22:46] <icez> according to UMiami: CSC = create software; CIS = apply that software to run a business; CE = create new computers to run that software.
[22:47] <Golfgeo> Difrentiation you mean...
[22:47] <icez> ?
[22:48] <Golfgeo> differentiation
[22:48] <Golfgeo> I havn't got a clue of what other name to use...
[22:49] <icez> :p
[22:49] <icez> what are you studying in?
[22:50] <Golfgeo> Infrastructuur en beheer Or in Eng. Infrastructure and Managment (of the infra)
[22:50] <icez> woh
[22:50] <Golfgeo> To be exact
[22:50] <icez> not sure i know what it is
[22:51] <Golfgeo> Technische informatica (Technical Information/Computer science), with the major: Infrastructuur en Beheer
[22:52] <icez> ok
[22:52] <Golfgeo> And the major Systeem Ontwikeling (System Development) as minor (entier program without practical projects)
[22:52] <Golfgeo> And the following minors:
[22:53] <Golfgeo> Electrotechniek (Electronics)
[22:53] <icez> that seems like a lot of work :p
[22:53] <Golfgeo> Managment and logistics
[22:53] <Golfgeo> It is :-)
[22:53] <Golfgeo> Ontwerpen (design)
[22:54] <icez> I'm thinking CS/Astronomy or CS/Physics
[22:54] <Golfgeo> Design Is the minor I'm currently following as an extra
[22:55] <Golfgeo> I just had to do I&B and SO, but the other once where just fun to do :-)
[22:55] <Golfgeo> B.t.w. this is for my Bachelor degree
[22:56] <icez> :/
[22:56] <Golfgeo> What?
[22:56] <icez> that's a lot for a bachelor
[22:56] <icez> :P
[22:56] <Golfgeo> It's a good school, the best in the Netherlands
[22:57] <icez> I'm going to a community college because universities charge wayy too much for 4 years
[22:57] <Golfgeo> The extra minors ("Electronics", "Managment and logistics", "design") I didn't have to do, I wanted to do them...
[22:57] <Golfgeo> Ah, but your major is?
[22:57] <icez> CS
[22:58] <Golfgeo> Computer Science with what major?
[22:58] <Golfgeo> ah, IC
[22:58] <Golfgeo> CS is your major...
[22:58] <Golfgeo> And your minor?
[22:58] <icez> still not sure
[22:58] <Golfgeo> Oke
[22:58] <icez> something between astronomy/physics or astrophysics
[22:59] <Golfgeo> Do both, should both be fun
[22:59] <icez> fun but pricey
[22:59] <icez> :]
[23:00] <icez> if I had the $$$, I'd do Geology, Astronomy, Physics, and Mathematics with the Computer Science;)
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[23:00] <Golfgeo> System Development, Infrastructur & Managment and Information Managment are Majors within TI technische informatica (Technical Information/Computer Science) at my school
[23:01] <Golfgeo> That I think is a bit to much :-)
[23:01] <Golfgeo> I pay around 1700 euro
[23:02] <Golfgeo> ...
[23:02] <Golfgeo> per year
[23:02] <Golfgeo> and my books run at some 600 euros
[23:02] <Golfgeo> But I'm almost done :-)
[23:02] <icez> !?!
[23:02] <icez> only 1700 euros?:P
[23:03] <Golfgeo> Then it is off to Strassbourg to the International Space Univercity
[23:03] <Golfgeo> Yep, the Dutch tax system pays the rest...
[23:04] <Golfgeo> Well, of to ISU if I'm excepted...
[23:04] <Golfgeo> That will cost me 25k euro plus expenses for living in France for a year. But that will be for a Master in Space Science...
[23:05] <Golfgeo> How much does your school cost?
[23:05] <icez> uhm
[23:06] <icez> ~1000$/semester without books
[23:06] <Golfgeo> He, thats the same price...
[23:06] <Golfgeo> 1 518.60289 Euro
[23:06] <icez> oh..
[23:06] <Golfgeo> (google)
[23:06] <icez> i thought you meant per year:]
[23:07] <Golfgeo> http://www.google.nl/search?hl=nl&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=kNI&q=2000+dollar+to+euro&btnG=Zoeken&meta=
[23:07] <Golfgeo> Yea, I pay 1700 Euro per year...
[23:07] <icez> 1000$ per half-year (semester) here
[23:08] <Golfgeo> Look at the URL
[23:08] <icez> yeah
[23:08] <Golfgeo> lol
[23:08] <icez> aaaah
[23:08] <icez> ok.
[23:08] <icez> :p
[23:08] <icez> sorry:P
[23:08] <icez> I'm not fully functional today
[23:08] <Golfgeo> I know Berkeley is expancive
[23:08] <Golfgeo> lol
[23:08] <Golfgeo> :-)
[23:09] <icez> MIT is impossibly expensive:)
[23:09] <Golfgeo> But at my School I get a great education
[23:09] <icez> and it's not even a university
[23:09] <icez> :P
[23:09] <Golfgeo> MIT is an institution in itself
[23:09] <Golfgeo> How much is it?
[23:09] <icez> university is around 13000$/year
[23:10] <Golfgeo> wtf
[23:10] <Golfgeo> The uni where I wanne go as guest lectures by astronauts and therefore is expensive. But thats crazy....
[23:11] <Golfgeo> *as == has
[23:11] <icez> MIT...around 46000$/year
[23:11] <Golfgeo> argh!
[23:11] <Golfgeo> :-)
[23:11] <icez> i can live for 3-4 years or more with 46000$
[23:11] <icez> :P
[23:11] <Golfgeo> Thats to much. But do think of the monney you can make onces youve been there...
[23:12] <icez> well, I guess if you get scholarships..
[23:12] <icez> which I didn't :]
[23:12] <Golfgeo> I don't believe in those things...
[23:13] <Golfgeo> The state has an vested intrest in your education so it should fork the monney even if it is a loan...
[23:13] <icez> then americans whine because china gets all the engineers;)
[23:13] <Golfgeo> Yea
[23:14] <Golfgeo> I know of student in the US that have a million dollar loan at the end of school... A bit to much for my tast...
[23:14] <icez> I mean, if they say it's to get better technology, why is it that they buy Windows and restrict it 95% instead of getting something that does the same thing for free:P
[23:14] <icez> yeah
[23:14] <Golfgeo> I will be at something of 100k and thats if I get into ISU...
[23:14] <icez> i'm doing 2 years community college + 2 years university
[23:15] <icez> it gets me my diploma for much less
[23:15] <icez> :P
[23:15] <Golfgeo> Yea, but I wanne rule the world :-P
[23:15] <Golfgeo> :-)
[23:16] <Golfgeo> I do however know that one school isn't the other and my education will have to help me in life, thats wy I don't mind
[23:16] <Golfgeo> It will pay itself back in time...
[23:16] <icez> the way I see it
[23:16] <Golfgeo> Yep
[23:16] <icez> school is only 10% of my education
[23:16] <icez> :p
[23:17] <Golfgeo> lol
[23:18] <icez> even if I'd loveee to go to MIT, I'm sure not paying that much :p
[23:18] <Golfgeo> The real deal is that without a diploma you can't get a good job over here. They say if you aply yourself you can so anything, but that isn't true...
[23:18] <icez> I'd have to pay 370,800$ at the end;)
[23:18] <Golfgeo> I don't know. I still need to get an Phd after ISU...
[23:19] <Golfgeo> One year of MIT wouldn't be to much...
[23:19] <icez> most people I talk to say they don't really care about how much diplomas you have
[23:19] <Golfgeo> Companies however do...
[23:20] <Golfgeo> I know, I've worked for the last 8 years parttime within multinationals
[23:20] <icez> well, not the ones I've seen =p
[23:20] <Golfgeo> Ahold & IBM
[23:20] <Golfgeo> Without one your just the guy who knows everything but can be fired without to much hassle
[23:20] <icez> I haven't had jobs with big companies yet :p
[23:21] <Golfgeo> Ah, there you go. Just get your diploma :-P
[23:21] Action: icez fixes computers for people
[23:21] <icez> :p
[23:21] Action: Golfgeo designes IT for companies
[23:21] <Golfgeo> :-)
[23:21] <Golfgeo> Well, not yet, but after my current school I might...
[23:21] <icez> well currently I'm waiting for my residency papers
[23:22] <Golfgeo> Your a brit in the US?
[23:22] <icez> canadian
[23:22] <icez> :)
[23:22] <Golfgeo> Ah, IC
[23:22] <icez> even though some people would love to hire me
[23:22] <Golfgeo> That shouldn't be to much hassle
[23:22] <icez> I can't :p
[23:22] <icez> well...you'd think that
[23:22] <icez> I've been waiting 6 years, and my dad 11 years :)
[23:22] <Golfgeo> Finish your school first (I know)
[23:22] <Golfgeo> wtf?
[23:22] <icez> immigration in the US is bullcrap =]
[23:23] <Golfgeo> Even for mapleleaf people?
[23:23] <icez> even for the canucks :]
[23:23] <icez> I bet a terrorist has more chance to get his papers;)
[23:23] <Golfgeo> lol
[23:24] <Golfgeo> Why do you wanne get them?
[23:24] <icez> ?
[23:24] <Golfgeo> The papers?
[23:24] <icez> oh
[23:24] <icez> well, it would "erase" the canada/US border for me
[23:24] <Golfgeo> Ah
[23:24] <icez> I could just walk across (literally)
[23:24] <Golfgeo> I wouldn't wanne live in the US
[23:25] <Golfgeo> To much Bush for my taste
[23:25] <icez> well, I had to move because of my parents' divorce
[23:25] <Golfgeo> Missle Defence and those things
[23:25] <icez> yeah
[23:25] <Golfgeo> hmm, thats aint fun
[23:25] <icez> lots of bad things here, but that's mostly politics
[23:25] <Golfgeo> Nasa is great, but ESA is better :-P
[23:25] <icez> well
[23:26] <icez> I think both NASA and ESA are a bit crappy
[23:26] <icez> I have to take for the RSA for this one :)
[23:26] <Golfgeo> The Shuttle will be gone in 2010 and then Nasa will be sending Appolo capsules to the ISS... Thats just backwards
[23:26] <icez> well
[23:26] <jcoxon> :-) its a little bit of a step backwards
[23:26] <icez> they're much bigger than apollo
[23:26] <icez> :P
[23:27] <jcoxon> of course by then we'll be the main space power (as in the guys on this channel)
[23:27] <Golfgeo> The same disign consepts though...
[23:27] <icez> jcoxon, :)
[23:27] <Golfgeo> You bet.
[23:27] <icez> I heard the UK wants to shoot instruments on the moon from satellites around it
[23:27] <icez> lol:p
[23:27] <icez> I thought it was a neat idea
[23:28] <Golfgeo> I wan't a colony on the Moon within the next 10 years, and a Mars colony within the next 30...
[23:28] <icez> jcoxon, by then we'll have to change the AS in UKHAS for SA (Space Agency)
[23:28] <icez> :)
[23:28] <Golfgeo> lol
[23:29] <jcoxon> well we should really change it from UKHAS to WHAS
[23:29] <Golfgeo> JP Aerospace... Helium to the skyes
[23:29] <icez> i want all the space agencies to work together and not against each others :P
[23:29] <icez> WHAS?
[23:29] <Golfgeo> World
[23:29] <jcoxon> hehe
[23:29] <jcoxon> yup
[23:29] <jcoxon> as quite a few people aren't uk based
[23:29] <icez> :)
[23:29] <icez> yup
[23:29] <Golfgeo> Nah, UK is good to
[23:30] <icez> IHAS :)
[23:30] <Golfgeo> Land of hope and glory.....
[23:30] <icez> and in around 200 years or more we could rename it to IGHAS :P
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[23:30] <Golfgeo> Jadzia has the con.
[23:31] <icez> land of "smile you're on camera" too
[23:31] <icez> :)
[23:31] <Golfgeo> Yep, that too
[23:31] <Golfgeo> But here too
[23:32] <Golfgeo> Dammed lost a bid @ ebay
[23:32] <Golfgeo> The seller is Dutch based so a bit expensive, but this is just to much...
[23:33] <icez> talking about netherlands and all
[23:33] <icez> we're talking about netherlandish art in my art history class
[23:33] <icez> :)
[23:33] <Golfgeo> lol
[23:33] <icez> with Rembrandt and Vermeer and all
[23:33] <icez> :P
[23:33] <Golfgeo> Rembrant, van Gogh
[23:33] <Golfgeo> Yea
[23:33] <Golfgeo> Cobra
[23:34] <Golfgeo> There are many
[23:34] <Golfgeo> to many
[23:34] <icez> a lot yeah
[23:34] <Golfgeo> is 20 euro + porto for a second hand "Globalsat BU303 USB SIRF 2 GPS" to much?
[23:35] <icez> i have no idea
[23:35] <Golfgeo> The history we created here is much for a small country...
[23:35] <icez> yeah
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[23:36] <Golfgeo> B.t.w. Dutch is a very old languesh
[23:36] <Golfgeo> argh, my spelling...
[23:37] <Golfgeo> About 17000 years in total...
[23:37] <Golfgeo> (The root of it)
[23:37] <Golfgeo> and German and English are related...
[23:37] <icez> yup
[23:38] <Golfgeo> Where did I leave that URL
[23:38] <Golfgeo> Read a very intresting article on it yesterday
[23:38] <icez> most americans are german decents
[23:38] <Golfgeo> Thats a bit overstated
[23:39] <Golfgeo> Hugenoten you mean
[23:39] <icez> ?
[23:39] <Golfgeo> "The Bible belt"
[23:39] <Golfgeo> Protestants
[23:39] <icez> well
[23:40] <Golfgeo> www.livius.org/dutchhistory/language.html
[23:41] <Golfgeo> Take a look at the tables in the article....
[23:42] <Golfgeo> Sleep -> Slaap -> Schlafen
[23:42] <Golfgeo> Eng -> NL -> DE
[23:43] <icez> :)
[23:43] <jcoxon> right i'm off to bed
[23:43] <icez> cya jcoxon
[23:43] <Golfgeo> Yep, funny that they didn't teach this at school...
[23:43] <jcoxon> night all
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[23:43] <Golfgeo> Night
[23:43] <Golfgeo> argh...
[23:44] <icez> english is pretty much a mix of multiple languages
[23:44] <Golfgeo> But still Celtic, like the French
[23:44] <Golfgeo> :-P
[23:44] <Golfgeo> :-)
[23:44] <icez> french is latin-based
[23:45] <Golfgeo> They say that, but that is after the Roman conquest. Before that not so much....
[23:47] <icez> how many languages do you speak?/
[23:47] <Golfgeo> Italy is Roman, France and GB are Celtic and Belgium & NL & DE are German (After the big people move)
[23:47] <Golfgeo> About four
[23:47] <icez> well a lot of french looks like italian and spanish
[23:47] <Golfgeo> Still learning French
[23:47] <icez> french is my native language:)
[23:47] <Golfgeo> Thats since the Romans
[23:48] <Golfgeo> I have a house in France near the site called Biberacte
[23:48] <icez> trying to learn chinese
[23:48] <Golfgeo> lol
[23:48] <icez> why so funny?:P
[23:48] <Golfgeo> The site was quoncert by Cesar hinmself 3 times
[23:48] <flowolf> I can confirm that french is similar to italian
[23:49] <flowolf> (and spanish too)
[23:49] <Golfgeo> Kantonees or Mondorin?
[23:49] <icez> uhm
[23:49] <Golfgeo> lol
[23:49] <Golfgeo> There isn't any Chinees....
[23:49] <icez> well i'm not sure which one :/
[23:49] <Golfgeo> There are many languages in China, but no Chinees...
[23:50] <icez> i knwo
[23:50] <icez> i know*
[23:50] <Golfgeo> lol
[23:50] <Golfgeo> Foo Yong Hai
[23:50] <icez> i'm learning it from a friend
[23:50] <Golfgeo> Ah, ic
[23:50] <icez> I think it's cantonese, but i'm not sure
[23:50] <Golfgeo> Should be, it a bigger one
[23:50] <Golfgeo> or Mandonees
[23:51] <icez> mandarin?
[23:51] <icez> :P
[23:51] <Golfgeo> Yea
[23:51] <Golfgeo> Well, in Chinees it is.. :-P
[23:51] <Golfgeo> Like London or Londen (Dutch)
[23:51] <icez> yeah haven't done the speaking part of it yet;)
[23:51] <icez> just learning symbols slowly
[23:52] <Golfgeo> Wellm, they all speak English...
[23:52] <icez> oh and I'm trying not to ruin my french completely too..
[23:52] <Golfgeo> You should try Luxembourgs, thats just plain wierd...
[23:52] <icez> I started learning ASL a while back but I didn't get really into it :)
[23:53] <Golfgeo> ASL?
[23:53] <icez> american sign language;)
[23:53] <Golfgeo> Why would you learn that?
[23:53] <icez> I had a friend from belgium that spoke something I don't remember the name
[23:53] <Golfgeo> Vlaams
[23:53] <Golfgeo> Or Waals
[23:54] <icez> bah, I was in a class next to someone mute once:)
[23:54] <Golfgeo> Ah, there is a guy at school like that and someone has to translate what the teacher says.
[23:54] <icez> :)
[23:56] <icez> oh and my neighbor is mute/deft too
[23:56] <Golfgeo> http://www.bibracte.fr/
[23:56] <Golfgeo> Thats the site
[23:57] <icez> cool
[23:57] <Golfgeo> The house is 5 km from it.
[23:57] <icez> i've never been anywhere else than canada/US :P
[23:57] <Golfgeo> lol
[23:58] <icez> there's a few places I'd like to really see
[23:59] <Golfgeo> I've been to GB, DE, Checoslovakia, Jordan, Swiss, Austrich and France
[23:59] <icez> woah:p
[23:59] <Golfgeo> And LUX
[23:59] <Golfgeo> And Lichtenstein
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