highaltitude.log.20061118

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[00:04] <icez> oh
[00:04] <icez> :\
[00:04] <icez> sorry..:P
[00:04] <icez> well because of fire restrictions in the beautiful desert
[00:04] <icez> :)
[00:11] <jcoxon> interesting
[00:11] <jcoxon> could you launch balloons?
[00:12] <icez> probably
[00:12] <jcoxon> cool
[00:12] <jcoxon> you should!
[00:12] <icez> we get balloons from new mexico sometimes
[00:12] <icez> everyone thinks it's a UFO:(
[00:12] <icez> lol.
[00:13] <icez> well
[00:13] <icez> you remember you said your electronics skills stink?
[00:13] <icez> mine are 3 times worst.
[00:13] <icez> :P
[00:13] <jcoxon> do my new router payload!
[00:13] <jcoxon> i've had to solder at the moment 3 wires to 3 large holes
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[00:15] <icez> well
[00:15] <icez> i could try to launch a tiny rocket from it too (if it's legal that is)
[00:15] <icez> like a 2.5 in high rocket :)
[00:16] <jcoxon> :-)
[00:16] <jcoxon> would be very cool
[00:17] <icez> but i don't know how I would get it's location back
[00:17] <jcoxon> the rocket?
[00:17] <jcoxon> or the balloon payload?
[00:18] <icez> the balloon
[00:18] <jcoxon> guess phone reception isn't great in the desert
[00:18] <icez> lol
[00:18] <icez> it drops within a foot:P
[00:18] <icez> you step here, works!
[00:18] <icez> you step there, doesn't work!:(
[00:18] <jcoxon> that does make it harder
[00:19] <icez> uhm
[00:19] <icez> then i need a license to send broadcasts anyway
[00:20] <icez> i do have a camera I can use :)
[00:20] <icez> takes videos/pictures
[00:21] <jcoxon> i'm sure there are freqs that don't need a licence
[00:21] <jcoxon> all the ones we use in the UK for balloon are licence exempt
[00:22] <icez> ok:]
[00:22] <icez> oh and I should launch a little further off the airports too:)
[00:22] <icez> (we have 2 airports nearby)
[00:25] <jcoxon> :-)
[00:25] <jcoxon> well i ain't forcing you - but i reckon you'll be fine! would be a good project
[00:25] <icez> yeah
[00:25] <icez> does the wrt have more than just ethernet ports?
[00:28] <jcoxon> the one i'm using has 5
[00:28] <jcoxon> though you can get ones with only 1
[00:28] <icez> but do they have anything else?:P
[00:30] <jcoxon> i have, 5 ethernet ports, 1 wireless, 2 serial ports and 8 gpios which 2 could be used as i2c
[00:30] <jcoxon> some routers have usb as well
[00:30] <icez> oh it's not only linksys :p
[00:31] <jcoxon> i'm using a motorola
[00:32] <jcoxon> http://wiki.openwrt.org/TableOfHardware
[00:32] <icez> yeah, i'm looking at that:)
[00:32] <icez> too bad I had an old palmtop 1mb ram with an intel 8086 and DOS on it;)
[00:32] <icez> with pcmcia/serial/IR and all
[00:34] <jcoxon> icez, that could be made to work! just might require quite a bit of hacking
[00:34] <icez> yeah, but I don't have it anymore;)
[00:35] <icez> http://www.sms.org.sg/html/hp100lx-2.jpg
[00:35] <icez> it's so small too.
[00:36] <jcoxon> ebay is your friend!
[00:36] <icez> i do have a pocketpc but it's not something i would like to lose :P
[00:36] <jcoxon> though flight computers really need 2 serial ports
[00:38] <icez> well might be some cool summer project:)
[00:38] <icez> in this heat it should go up to the ozone layer hahaha:)
[00:39] <jcoxon> hehe
[00:39] <jcoxon> right icez i've off to bed
[00:39] <jcoxon> good to talk to you
[00:39] <jcoxon> night
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[00:39] <icez> cya
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[17:14] <jcoxon> 2 malgars! :-D
[17:15] <malgar2> :P
[17:16] <jcoxon> the nova 2 launch was scrubbed again
[17:16] <jcoxon> gps antenna issues
[17:16] <jcoxon> they are going to try again tomorrow
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[17:20] <malgar2> ah tomorrow!
[17:20] <malgar2> wow
[17:20] <malgar2> some live feed anywhere?
[17:48] <jcoxon> ummmm
[17:48] <jcoxon> no live feed
[17:49] <jcoxon> though they have digital cameras onboard which are going to be recording movies
[17:49] <icez> woaaaaah
[17:49] <jcoxon> which should be very interesting
[17:50] <icez> jcoxon, i found something interesting (following yesterday's conversation)
[17:50] <icez> http://www.ansr.org/index.php?title=Main_Page
[17:51] <jcoxon> ooo they've changed their site
[17:51] <jcoxon> yup they've done lots of flights - you near them?
[17:52] <icez> well about 30 mins actually
[17:52] <jcoxon> you should get involved!
[17:54] <icez> do you guys need clearance from the gov't to launch balloons?
[17:54] <icez> like UK's equivalent of the FAA
[17:54] <jcoxon> yup
[17:54] <jcoxon> we have the CAA
[17:55] <jcoxon> its not difficult to get
[17:55] <jcoxon> bbl - supper time
[17:55] <icez> well, after 31 missions I bet they know how :P
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[17:59] <icez> :/
[18:43] <jcoxon> back
[19:40] <icez> wb
[19:43] <jcoxon> its impressive the amount of launches they've done
[19:44] <jcoxon> does make me think there is something wrong with the approach we have to launcing
[19:44] <jcoxon> launching*
[20:08] <icez> well
[20:09] <icez> they do get NASA Space Grants..
[20:09] <icez> a lot of them too
[20:09] <icez> :/
[20:10] <jcoxon> true
[20:10] <jcoxon> i think a lot of is that we rebuild pretty much everything between flights
[20:10] <jcoxon> need to work on a more modular system
[20:11] <icez> http://www.kd7lmo.net/ansr/ansr_30_tieoff.jpg
[20:11] <icez> that's the balloon they use!!!
[20:11] <icez> :\
[20:12] <icez> that's a little bigger than yours right?:P
[20:12] <jcoxon> well yes an no :-D
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[20:13] <icez> :P
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[20:15] <icez> they have some cool data too
[20:15] <icez> like speed/altitude correlation
[20:15] <jcoxon> http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~jac208/pegasus/Niger/P1010354.JPG
[20:16] <jcoxon> 12000m3
[20:16] <jcoxon> hehe
[20:18] <icez> wow
[20:18] <Tiger^> whoa
[20:18] <jcoxon> hey Tiger^
[20:18] <icez> that's not amateur anymore...or it's extreme amateur :)
[20:18] <Tiger^> hey jcoxon
[20:18] <Tiger^> and hey icez
[20:18] <jcoxon> i'm about to upload all my niger pictures
[20:18] <icez> hey Tiger^
[20:18] <jcoxon> icez, oh thats pro not amateur
[20:19] <jcoxon> i was working with french space agency
[20:19] <icez> wow.
[20:19] <icez> you speak french?:)
[20:19] <jcoxon> un petit peu
[20:19] <icez> bien :)
[20:19] <icez> is that the payload next to those guys?
[20:20] <jcoxon> one of them
[20:20] <icez> :/
[20:20] <icez> that big huge box is _one_ of them?
[20:20] <icez> jeez.
[20:21] <jcoxon> weighed about 40kg
[20:21] <jcoxon> the payload i helped with weighed 25kg
[20:21] <icez> i saw a show on discovery about balloonist that work with NASA
[20:22] <icez> they had enourmous balloons
[20:23] <jcoxon> yeah these guys work with nasa in antarctica
[20:23] <icez> i wonder if NASA will ever send a balloon to another planet (like Mars) :)
[20:24] <icez> that would launch from a rover or whatever
[20:24] <icez> antartica..wow:P
[20:24] <icez> what a nice place to work
[20:24] <jcoxon> right i'm starting to upload them to: http://www.pegasushabproject.org.uk/niger2006/
[20:24] <jcoxon> i'd love to work in antarctica - apparently these balloons were little compared to the ones they use there
[20:25] <icez> well doesn't the cold make the helium less expandable?
[20:25] <jcoxon> in theory yes
[20:25] <jcoxon> Tiger^, hows everything going?
[20:26] <malgar3> even the air around is colder = much dense
[20:26] <icez> oh, true.
[20:27] <Tiger^> jcoxon: you know, there's this "real life" thing :P
[20:27] <jcoxon> oh yeah
[20:27] <jcoxon> gets in the way occasionally
[20:27] <Tiger^> yup
[20:28] <Tiger^> so it's going pretty slow
[20:28] <icez> real life =|
[20:28] Action: icez shakes
[20:28] <Tiger^> but i think i'll have something for late spring/early summer
[20:29] <jcoxon> cool
[20:29] <Tiger^> i'm designing the next payload based on a small Broadcom board running Linux
[20:29] <jcoxon> snap :-p
[20:29] <jcoxon> i'm doing one on a openwrt wireless router
[20:30] <Tiger^> hehe
[20:30] <Tiger^> not on gumstix anymore?
[20:30] <jcoxon> oh still have my gumstix
[20:30] <jcoxon> its going to fit in soon
[20:30] <jcoxon> just i wanted to play with a different system
[20:31] <Tiger^> yeah
[20:33] <jcoxon> right most of my pics are uploaded http://www.pegasushabproject.org.uk/niger2006/index.php
[20:35] <jcoxon> Tiger^, is yours just a broadcom dev board?
[20:39] <Tiger^> jcoxon: it's a production board, i've ordered from a company that makes OEM routers.
[20:39] <Tiger^> jcoxon: very similar to what they put in Asus WL500g routers
[20:42] <jcoxon> so usb :-D
[20:43] <jcoxon> i'm using a motorola wr850g
[20:43] <Tiger^> hehe
[20:43] <jcoxon> the only real issue is its power consumption - though i hope to reduce that by turning off the wireless and lan during flight
[20:44] <Tiger^> it's got two serial ports
[20:49] <jcoxon> yeah mine has 2 as well
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