highaltitude.log.20060731

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[00:40] <kc0wys> woo! power's back on!
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[01:31] <krim> whats up ?
[01:59] <kc0wys> power's back on
[02:00] <kc0wys> and flight is set for tuesday this time, since i lost valuable time yesterday and today
[02:00] <phatmonkey> yay
[02:00] <phatmonkey> how's it going then?
[02:00] <kc0wys> well i've caught quite a few bugs so far
[02:01] <kc0wys> but everything seems to be working now
[02:01] <kc0wys> i'll run it overnight
[02:01] <kc0wys> like you suggested
[02:02] <kc0wys> also i dont know if i mentioned this but i built a helium balloon filler from vinyl transparent tubing and a right-angle plastic adaptor
[02:02] <kc0wys> the position reporting program is having issues
[02:03] <kc0wys> i'm going to have to re-write it
[02:03] <kc0wys> :/
[02:06] <phatmonkey> yeah
[02:06] <phatmonkey> there will be bugs... the more you catch now, the less that will pop up when it matters!
[02:06] <phatmonkey> oh, can everybody check that ukhas.org.uk works
[02:06] <phatmonkey> i'm screwing with the name servers
[02:07] <kc0wys> ya
[02:07] <kc0wys> a tad laggy but it loads
[02:07] <kc0wys> might be me
[02:11] <phatmonkey> ok
[02:11] <phatmonkey> ah, i need to make a balloon filler
[02:11] <phatmonkey> and i still need a parachute, argh
[02:11] <phatmonkey> where did you get yours from?
[02:12] <kc0wys> parachute from ebay, 35$ shipped, the guy sells a bunch lemme pull up his ebay id...
[02:13] <krim> yeah, i need a parachute too..
[02:14] <kc0wys> omg this damn seller left me neutral because he sent me a damaged item?? wtf!
[02:14] <krim> screw him, i wont deal with jerks
[02:15] <kc0wys> ya really!
[02:15] <kc0wys> ugh makes me mad
[02:16] <kc0wys> ah well at least it wasn't negative...
[02:21] <phatmonkey> everybody does it...!
[02:21] <phatmonkey> meh, ebay's a bummer sometimes
[02:22] <kc0wys> yeah
[02:23] <kc0wys> well it still says i have 100% positive feedback, so i guess it's ok
[02:23] <phatmonkey> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PARACHUTE-approx-15-ex-Indian-army-never-used-packed_W0QQitemZ180012014619QQihZ008QQcategoryZ88433QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
[02:23] <phatmonkey> sweet :D
[02:23] <phatmonkey> yeah, neutral doesn't change the percentage
[02:23] <kc0wys> "NOT FOR USE AS A PARACHUTE FOR HUMANS" hehe
[02:25] <phatmonkey> ebay.com has so much more stuff than .co.uk
[02:25] <phatmonkey> i might get it sent over the pond
[02:25] <phatmonkey> i've been trying to find a parachute specialist though, somebody who knows what they're talking about
[02:25] <phatmonkey> i've heard good things about the rocketman chutes, but they don't reply to my email
[02:26] <phatmonkey> the chute is so important, i don't feel that good about getting it off ebay
[02:26] <kc0wys> well this parachute i got looks very good
[02:28] <kc0wys> it's for large model rockets
[02:28] <kc0wys> all the seams are doubled, some tripled
[02:29] <kc0wys> i like it
[02:29] <kc0wys> much cheaper than everywhere else i looked
[02:30] <kc0wys> hmm well i cant find that seller
[02:31] <phatmonkey> hmm, ok
[02:31] <kc0wys> but i agree with you about ex-military chutes and the like
[02:31] <kc0wys> they look pretty beaten up...
[02:32] <phatmonkey> i need a spot to attach a drogue too
[02:32] <phatmonkey> i'm going to have a little hatch that gets blown open, and that hatch will be attach to the top of the chute
[02:32] <phatmonkey> the wind will catch the hatch and pull out the chute
[02:32] <phatmonkey> .... in theory
[02:34] <kc0wys> ah ok
[02:54] <phatmonkey> http://www.firshman.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ukhas
[02:54] <phatmonkey> kc0wys, please join!
[02:58] <kc0wys> kk
[03:00] <phatmonkey> whuspy, forgot to add records for wiki.ukhas.org.uk
[03:00] <phatmonkey> should work, er, soon!
[03:01] <kc0wys> you better not be able to see our passwords
[03:01] <kc0wys> lol
[03:03] <phatmonkey> appears not!
[03:03] <phatmonkey> it'd be a bit silly if it wasn't stored encrypted
[03:03] <kc0wys> and i would be very mad
[03:04] <phatmonkey> ah, there are password hints actually
[03:04] <kc0wys> well, i never bother with those
[03:04] <phatmonkey> ah well, i'm the only person with access to this machine, and i wouldn't dig up the data files
[03:04] <phatmonkey> there's nothing in the admin UI!
[03:04] <kc0wys> my password's is all numerical so there's no point for a hint ;)
[03:05] <kc0wys> i got sick of people guessing my passwords when i typed at the keyboard, so i made it numbers and now no one can get it hehehe
[03:05] <phatmonkey> yeah
[03:05] <phatmonkey> i have far too many passwords, yikes
[03:05] <kc0wys> yeah... so it works? or not?
[03:06] <phatmonkey> i have one insecure one, for when i don't really want people to know my password, various reasonably secure ones, and a few very secure, utterly random ones for important things
[03:06] <phatmonkey> the mailing list? guess so
[03:07] <kc0wys> kk
[03:07] <kc0wys> yeah i generally keep my passwords universal
[03:07] <kc0wys> which is good and bad
[03:08] <kc0wys> easy to remember, but if someone finds it they can access everything
[03:08] <kc0wys> :/
[03:08] <krim> thats bad
[03:08] <krim> level your passwords
[03:08] <kc0wys> well, i do to some degree
[03:08] <kc0wys> but i mean i am not securing anything really valuable
[03:09] <kc0wys> no credit cards, personal info, bank accounts, etc
[03:09] <krim> still, you can be fucked if someone want to
[03:09] <kc0wys> yeah
[03:12] <krim> phat wtf
[03:12] <krim> Wait, for the mentally unstable and suicidal amongst us, this means you can’t change anything that happens and life is absolutely pointless! Enjoy that thought!
[03:13] <krim> hehe
[03:14] <krim> augh
[03:14] <krim> im tired nighty night
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[03:22] <phatmonkey> weird
[03:22] <phatmonkey> ouch, time for snooze methinks
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[13:23] <jcoxon> hey all
[13:26] <jcoxon> guess no one is here :(
[13:29] <kc0wys> hehe it ran all night!
[13:30] <kc0wys> still going :D
[13:30] <jcoxon> hey kc0wys
[13:30] <kc0wys> test successfulhey
[13:30] <jcoxon> launching tomorrow?
[13:30] <kc0wys> ya
[13:30] <kc0wys> had to delay another day but tomorrow looks good
[13:30] <jcoxon> cool
[13:30] <phatmonkey> hi james
[13:30] <kc0wys> are you in africa now?
[13:30] <jcoxon> hey ben
[13:30] <phatmonkey> ah yeah, how's that going?
[13:30] <jcoxon> yeah i've been here for nearly a week
[13:31] <phatmonkey> http://www.firshman.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ukhas - got it working
[13:31] <jcoxon> well we've only just started launching the big balloons
[13:31] <phatmonkey> done any launches yet?
[13:31] <jcoxon> launched a 20kg payload this morning with a sealed mylar balloon
[13:31] <phatmonkey> can you tag on peg IV?
[13:31] <phatmonkey> nice
[13:31] <jcoxon> and when the wind drops we are doing another launch with the payload i've helped with
[13:31] <jcoxon> in total its about 60kg so its going to be a big balloon
[13:32] <phatmonkey> crikey
[13:32] <jcoxon> i'm not sure if peg IV is going to fly - will have to see - I've sort of avoided asking untill a few launches have gone
[13:32] <phatmonkey> the mailing list will be useful for keeping in touch when you're on and off like this
[13:32] <phatmonkey> ok
[13:33] <jcoxon> i'll try and get some pics up soon - i'm having to use someone elses laptop for the internet
[13:36] <jcoxon> hows the glider going?
[13:38] <jcoxon> bbl
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[15:17] <malgar> gasp.. i've lost my rocket on a tree
[15:17] <kc0wys> ??
[15:17] <malgar> any idea to recover it?
[15:18] <kc0wys> what rocket?
[15:19] <malgar> a little rocket.. about 40cm
[15:19] <kc0wys> oh i c
[15:19] <kc0wys> hmm
[15:19] <kc0wys> jetpack :P
[15:19] <kc0wys> jk
[15:19] <kc0wys> really big ladder?
[15:20] <malgar> mmh it's about 10m high.. i don't know how to find a so higher ladder and the terrains is etched
[15:20] <malgar> terrain
[15:21] <kc0wys> can you climb the tree?
[15:26] <malgar> no.. it's too weak
[15:26] <malgar> but not enough to be shackered
[15:26] <malgar> shaked
[15:27] <kc0wys> very very long pole?
[15:27] <kc0wys> i used to get rockets stuck a lot
[15:27] <kc0wys> lost many to trees
[15:27] <kc0wys> one is still up there, from a few years ago
[15:27] <malgar> yes.. a long pole could be a solution
[15:27] <malgar> but i have to build it
[15:36] <Tiger^> get an elephant to shake the tree
[15:36] <malgar> lol
[15:36] <Tiger^> or better, a pack of elephants to go by the three and shake the ground
[15:37] <Tiger^> tree*
[15:37] <malgar> or cut the tree..
[15:37] <Tiger^> you can pay a fine for that... ;)
[15:38] <kc0wys> not if it's your tree :)
[15:38] <kc0wys> is it your tree?
[15:38] <Tiger^> even if it's your tree
[15:38] <malgar> no.. i should buy it :P
[15:38] <kc0wys> hehe
[15:38] <kc0wys> is there a law against cutting down trees?
[15:38] <Tiger^> yep, at least in the EU
[15:38] <kc0wys> hmm there might be here
[15:38] <Tiger^> i mean, you have to get permission
[15:39] <kc0wys> you can cut down dead trees here, certainly
[15:39] <kc0wys> but i duno
[15:39] <kc0wys> not a tree expert ;)
[15:39] <Tiger^> me too ;)
[15:43] <kc0wys> have any of your balloons ever lost a gps fix during flight?
[15:43] <Tiger^> nope
[15:44] <kc0wys> ok good :)
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[15:55] <kc0wys> heya
[15:56] <jcoxon> hey
[15:56] <jcoxon> sorry for dashing off - had a met briefing
[15:57] <malgar> jcoxon, do you remember that for my futura ballon i was afraid of trees?
[15:58] <malgar> future
[15:58] <malgar> well.. i've just lost my rocket on a tree
[15:58] <jcoxon> oh no!
[15:59] <jcoxon> we should have an official UKHAS launch site in a desert somewhere
[15:59] <jcoxon> were there are no houses or trees
[15:59] <jcoxon> where*
[15:59] <jcoxon> :-p
[15:59] <kc0wys> hehe
[15:59] <kc0wys> hey not to change the subject but
[16:00] <kc0wys> do you know if google earth automatically refreshes itself by reading kml files automatically?
[16:00] <jcoxon> you have to make it reload the file
[16:00] <kc0wys> oh :/
[16:01] <kc0wys> ah well i guess i can do it manually
[16:01] <jcoxon> a network link refreshes though - perhaps you could run a local one
[16:01] <kc0wys> oh right that's what i meant
[16:01] <kc0wys> like put the .kml file on a webserver?
[16:01] Action: kc0wys is installing Apache
[16:01] <jcoxon> oh well then i think it is possible for it to refresh
[16:02] <jcoxon> i've connected to defy's netlink before
[16:03] <kc0wys> kk i'll mess around w/ it a bit...
[16:03] <jcoxon> the wind has dropped - perhaps we'll launch
[16:07] <kc0wys> what the hell
[16:07] <kc0wys> google earth thinks i'm on the prime meridian!!
[16:07] <kc0wys> haha
[16:09] <jcoxon> oh yeah it has a funny way of doing things
[16:09] <jcoxon> you might have to swap them around
[16:10] <kc0wys> oh yeah i see
[16:10] <kc0wys> its lon,lat
[16:10] <kc0wys> not lat,lon
[16:10] <kc0wys> pph
[16:10] <kc0wys> stupid
[16:14] <kc0wys> it reads the latitude and longitude as it is in the nmea sentences, right?
[16:14] <kc0wys> i don't have to convert into, such as, 48 deg 07.038' and such?
[16:15] <jcoxon> i use decimal long and lat
[16:15] <kc0wys> hmm my lat here is 3839.41772 that seems too large...
[16:23] <kc0wys> now i'm in russia...
[16:23] <kc0wys> google earth you're killing me!
[16:25] <jcoxon> you need to get the + and - right as well
[16:26] <kc0wys> hrm...
[16:30] <kc0wys> haha now i'm in italy
[16:37] <Tiger^> at least you'll see the world.
[16:37] <Tiger^> ;)
[16:38] <kc0wys> uhh ok the "decimal" gps coordinates off of nmea is not the "decimal" gps coordinates google earth is looking for
[16:38] <kc0wys> what the hell
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[16:46] <Tiger^> kc0wys: nmea doesn't give decimal!
[16:47] <kc0wys> ya *just( figured that out... heh
[16:47] <kc0wys> any pointers on how to convert?
[16:47] <Tiger^> simple:
[16:48] <Tiger^> 53.5707 = 53 deg, 57 min, ( .07 * 60 ) sec
[16:48] <Tiger^> :)
[16:49] <kc0wys> uhh... sorry i didn't follow that
[16:49] <Tiger^> hmm
[16:49] <Tiger^> you have a $GPGGA sentence like:
[16:50] <Tiger^> $GPGGA,145155.000,5001.6236,N,01421.1763,E,1,08,1.0,101.3,M,39.1,M,,0000*59
[16:50] <Tiger^> right?
[16:50] <kc0wys> ya
[16:50] <Tiger^> so 5001.6236 N, 01421.1763 E in NMEA format
[16:51] <Tiger^> first two (in lat) or three (in lon) digits are whole degrees
[16:51] <Tiger^> so 50 deg N, 014 deg E
[16:51] <kc0wys> alrightey
[16:51] <Tiger^> next two digits are minutes
[16:51] <Tiger^> so 50 deg 01' N, 014 deg 21' E
[16:52] <Tiger^> (ok, right, i see now why you didn't follow my first explanation... my mistake, sorry ;>)
[16:52] <Tiger^> and the digits after the decimal point are minutes
[16:53] <kc0wys> no no that's ok
[16:53] <Tiger^> so: 0.6236*60 = 37.42" N
[16:53] <Tiger^> and 0.1763*60 = 10.58" E
[16:53] <kc0wys> oh ok
[16:53] <Tiger^> so its 50 deg 01' 37.42" N
[16:53] <Tiger^> 014 deg 21' 10.58" E
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[16:57] <kc0wys> so that's decimal then?
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[16:57] <kc0wys> 50.013742 and 21.1058?
[16:57] <kc0wys> i'm sorrt 014.211058
[16:57] <kc0wys> sorry*
[16:59] <phatmonkey> just use gpsd if nmea is driving you up the wall!
[17:00] <Tiger^> kc0wys: nope
[17:00] <kc0wys> gpsd on windows??
[17:00] <phatmonkey> or i'm sure there are NMEA libraries for whatever language you're doing this in now
[17:00] <Tiger^> kc0wys: that's the "degress, minutes, seconds" format
[17:00] <Tiger^> kc0wys: decimal is different, i don't remember how to convert
[17:00] <kc0wys> o ok
[17:00] <phatmonkey> ah, is this for the ground?
[17:01] <kc0wys> yeah
[17:01] <phatmonkey> what language you writing it in?
[17:01] <kc0wys> vb6
[17:02] <phatmonkey> ouch, guess there won't be any open source libraries then
[17:05] <Tiger^> it's not that you actually need a library to convert ;)
[17:05] <kc0wys> yeah
[17:07] <kc0wys> ah
[17:07] <kc0wys> decimal = lathours + (latmins + (latsecs) / 60) / 60
[17:08] <phatmonkey> reusing existing code is far quicker and stable!
[17:09] <Tiger^> phatmonkey: even if the code is division/multiplication by 60? :P
[17:10] <kc0wys> yea this is really simple, phatmonkey
[17:10] <kc0wys> i think i have it now
[17:10] <kc0wys> i'm about to test
[17:10] <phatmonkey> i'm lazy, ok :P
[17:11] <kc0wys> i actually am reusing some guy's code, but he had it set up for deg/mins/sec instead of decimal
[17:11] <Tiger^> #include <balloon.h>
[17:11] <Tiger^> main() { FlyBalloon(); }
[17:11] <Tiger^> ;)
[17:12] <phatmonkey> see that's the sort of code i like! :D
[17:16] <kc0wys> it works!
[17:16] <kc0wys> i don't need no gpsd :P
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[20:20] <phatmonkey> rocketboy, http://www.firshman.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ukhas
[20:20] <phatmonkey> Tiger^, too!
[20:53] <rocketboy> Ta
[21:34] <phatmonkey> rocketboy, do you want to subscribe? twould be a good way to keep in touch
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[21:47] <LaurenceB> Hi everyone !
[21:47] <kc0wys> hi
[21:48] <LaurenceB> Launched anything?
[21:48] <kc0wys> tomorrow
[21:48] <phatmonkey> hi!
[21:48] <kc0wys> i was delayed by power outages (again)
[21:48] <phatmonkey> LaurenceB, http://www.firshman.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ukhas
[21:48] <kc0wys> but this time i should be able to go through
[21:48] <phatmonkey> good way for us all to keep in toufch
[21:48] <phatmonkey> -f
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[21:58] <rocketboy> phatmonkey - yes i have subscribed
[22:00] <LaurenceB> Hi rocketboy, I'm just writing you an email about the radio, I'll send it off in a few minutes :D
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[22:10] <rocketboy> ok
[22:17] <LaurenceB> sent it !
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[22:43] <rocketboy> ta just repling
[23:43] <LaurenceB> i've got work tomorrow so I'll have to go :D
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