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[05:24] <macfreak4> gah!!
[05:24] <macfreak4> the red gun in my crt just died!!!!!
[05:25] <macfreak4> crap now i gotta find a new monitor....
[05:44] <icez> :/
[05:44] <icez> now you know how some daltonian see life everyday
[05:44] <icez> :)
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[16:52] <phatmonkey> rawr
[16:52] <phatmonkey> damn gumstix
[16:52] <jcoxon> whats wrong now?
[16:52] <Tiger^> should have used a soekris *evil grin*
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[17:05] <phatmonkey> was originally planning to...!
[17:05] <phatmonkey> but they're *far* too big and power hungry
[17:05] <phatmonkey> anywho, see the mailing list, can't build the buildroot
[17:06] <phatmonkey> anywho, must dash
[17:06] <phatmonkey> probably back alter this vening
[17:33] <Tiger^> power hungry? uh...
[17:33] <Tiger^> they're not power hungry.
[18:38] <macfreak4> power hungry... quite the opposite, seeing the alternatives
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[18:59] <phatmonkey> compared to the gumstix...
[18:59] <phatmonkey> !
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[19:06] <macfreak4> wait what
[19:06] <macfreak4> you're talking about the gumstix, right?
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[19:58] <phatmonkey> <Tiger^> should have used a soekris *evil grin*
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[22:55] <jcoxon> hey all
[22:56] <icez> hey
[23:02] <macfreak4> hi
[23:02] <jcoxon> :-)
[23:14] <macfreak4> Tiger^: i remember you saying your j-pole didn't work
[23:14] <macfreak4> what did you do about it?
[23:15] <Tiger^> macfreak4: nothing, 'cause it wasn't the j-pole.
[23:16] <Tiger^> a burnt final stage transistor.
[23:16] <macfreak4> oh good
[23:16] <macfreak4> i'm getting ready to mount my j-pole to the payload
[23:16] <macfreak4> and i was wondering
[23:17] <macfreak4> glad to be wrong, eh? :P
[23:17] <Tiger^> nope
[23:17] <Tiger^> not at all
[23:18] <Tiger^> a new radio is like, um, $350
[23:18] <macfreak4> oh
[23:19] <macfreak4> btw what band/brand/type/kind of radio did you use?
[23:20] <Tiger^> 2m/alinco/dj-180/a handheld ;)
[23:20] <macfreak4> o ok
[23:20] <macfreak4> i got two radios for the 70cm band for 120$ on ebay
[23:20] <macfreak4> which is what i'm going to use
[23:21] <macfreak4> they're cheap, and it shows, but they work
[23:21] <Tiger^> well this radio was from ebay
[23:21] <Tiger^> i'll never buy ebay crap again.
[23:22] <macfreak4> they came all the way from china in 4 days
[23:22] <macfreak4> the guy shipped them DHL Air
[23:22] <macfreak4> the manual is impossible to read
[23:22] <Tiger^> hehe
[23:22] <macfreak4> but there's really no features to learn on the radios, so the manual is pointless
[23:23] <phatmonkey> hey all
[23:23] <phatmonkey> jcoxon, i'm in gumstix hell
[23:23] <macfreak4> hey
[23:23] <phatmonkey> nothing works...
[23:23] <Tiger^> well i've decided... almost
[23:24] <phatmonkey> might go back to the slug if it carries on this way...
[23:24] <Tiger^> think i'm going to use a broadcom board
[23:24] <phatmonkey> it just been struggle after struggle after struggle
[23:24] <jcoxon> phatmonkey, you have no patience :-D
[23:24] <Tiger^> the kind they put in Linksys WRT
[23:24] <Tiger^> only better
[23:24] <Tiger^> :)
[23:24] <macfreak4> omg my whole computer system is dying on me!!
[23:24] <phatmonkey> i know :D
[23:24] <macfreak4> my monitor broke
[23:24] <macfreak4> now my speakers are giving out
[23:24] <jcoxon> so whats the problem (chat to me on #gumstix
[23:24] <macfreak4> what the heck
[23:24] <jcoxon> )
[23:24] <phatmonkey> but i have spent 4 days on this now and got nowhere
[23:24] <phatmonkey> well, i've gone backwards, it doesn't even boot anymore
[23:25] <phatmonkey> tis all on the mailing list if you want to see it
[23:25] <jcoxon> yeah i've read it
[23:25] <jcoxon> so do factory images flash?
[23:29] <jcoxon> its one of those silly things that when everything works it'll go swimmingly
[23:33] <jcoxon> phatmonkey?
[23:34] <rocketboy> humm - so what do you guys program the gumstix in? C? Pearl?
[23:34] <jcoxon> both
[23:34] <macfreak4> oh yeah i'm curious about that too
[23:34] <jcoxon> defy uses perl
[23:34] <jcoxon> while i use C
[23:34] <jcoxon> and bash scripts
[23:35] <macfreak4> ah ok
[23:35] <rocketboy> I'm a c/C++ man myself
[23:35] <rocketboy> used to program Unix back in the 80s
[23:35] <jcoxon> the nice thing about perl is that you can edit onboard the gumstix
[23:35] <jcoxon> but microperl binary is quite large
[23:36] <rocketboy> I understand that pearl is quite similar to C++ in may ways - but never used it myself
[23:36] <Tiger^> rocketboy: not at all similar.
[23:36] <jcoxon> however linux lends itself well
[23:37] <rocketboy> so if your using C you cant comple it on the gumstix?
[23:37] <jcoxon> so gps can easily be got by just cat /dev/ttyS2
[23:37] <Tiger^> i'm a C / Unix man too
[23:37] <jcoxon> you could put gcc on the gumstix
[23:37] <Tiger^> and i like PERL
[23:37] <Tiger^> no difficulty to write perl code at all
[23:37] <jcoxon> but its easier to use the buildroot on a proper 'puter
[23:37] <Tiger^> i hate C++, though
[23:38] <rocketboy> yes its a bit of a hack - C wasn't really suited to OOP
[23:39] <Tiger^> i don't do OOP.
[23:39] <Tiger^> it's sick :D
[23:39] <phatmonkey> if you're going to use perl, use python :)
[23:39] <phatmonkey> jcoxon, yes, factory images work great
[23:39] <jcoxon> right
[23:39] <jcoxon> but anything you build doesn't
[23:39] <phatmonkey> but i can't load any libraries onto it without the filesystem completely dying
[23:39] <phatmonkey> ?:(
[23:39] <jcoxon> what libraries?
[23:40] <jcoxon> uclibc?
[23:40] <phatmonkey> dunnoo
[23:40] <phatmonkey> it's in the mailing list somewhere
[23:40] <phatmonkey> filesystem just dies when i copy it over while it's running
[23:40] <phatmonkey> so they suggested to build an entire image
[23:40] <phatmonkey> good idea...... in theory
[23:40] <jcoxon> i seem to remember you were copying uclibc files
[23:41] <rocketboy> I was planning to use a PIC micro to control the baloon - I have done quite a bit of PIC assembler - sure can pack it int a PIC
[23:42] <rocketboy> but a $99 for a gunstix I can see that is attractive to unix/C users
[23:42] <jcoxon> phatmonkey, i've deleted the emails
[23:42] <rocketboy> presumably ther is also shell scripts sh/csh?
[23:42] <jcoxon> yup
[23:42] <jcoxon> actually i think its actually sh
[23:43] <jcoxon> not bash
[23:43] <rocketboy> - never got round to that anyway
[23:43] <jcoxon> phatmonkey, if it was the uclibc libraries no wonder everything went wrong
[23:43] <jcoxon> 2 options
[23:43] <jcoxon> a) fix the the latest buildroot issues
[23:44] <jcoxon> b)get the buildroot for the specific factory image revision
[23:44] <rocketboy> I expect that most things could be done in a shell script - cron jobs to trigger the camera etc.
[23:44] <jcoxon> that way you would only need to copy over the binaries
[23:44] <jcoxon> rocketboy, pretty much what i do
[23:44] <jcoxon> actually i don't even use cron - just looping scripts
[23:45] <rocketboy> humm thinks I might invest $99
[23:45] <jcoxon> ld-uClibc-0.9.28.so 100% 21KB 20.6KB/s 00:00
[23:45] <jcoxon> scp: /lib//ld-uClibc.so.0: Text file busy
[23:45] <jcoxon> libcrypt-0.9.28.so 100% 13KB 12.7KB/s 00:00
[23:45] <jcoxon> libcrypt.so.0 100% 13KB 12.7KB/s 00:00
[23:45] <jcoxon> libc.so.0 75% 192KB 172.8KB/s
[23:45] <jcoxon> 00:00 ETARead from remote host gumstix: Connection reset by peer
[23:45] <jcoxon> lost connection
[23:45] <jcoxon> yup it was the C libraries - the whole filesystem is based on them
[23:46] <jcoxon> i reckon if you change them on the fly it'll crash the system cause most programs will be accessing them
[23:46] <phatmonkey> yeah
[23:46] <phatmonkey> i would like to get this root image working
[23:46] <jcoxon> and as they are only half copied it won't boot
[23:46] <phatmonkey> because it's all nice and up to date
[23:46] <jcoxon> right
[23:46] <jcoxon> give me one sec i'll restart into ubuntu
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[23:48] <phatmonkey> whoosh
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[23:50] <jcoxon> phatmonkey, the error right now is that the filesystem you install doesn't seem to boot at all?
[23:52] <jcoxon> phatmonkey, do you mind trying my latest image?
[23:52] <phatmonkey> yes
[23:52] <phatmonkey> sure
[23:53] <phatmonkey> hee hum, loving the fast upload you have there :D
[23:54] <jcoxon> good old JANET
[23:54] <jcoxon> university connection is nice
[23:54] <phatmonkey> i hear it's a direct connection to a backbone...
[23:54] <jcoxon> i get 8mb/sec when i apt-get from the ubuntu servers
[23:54] <jcoxon> yup
[23:54] <phatmonkey> do you get 100mbit/s speeds?
[23:54] <phatmonkey> niice
[23:54] <jcoxon> and my own internet address
[23:55] <jcoxon> i'm 131.111.225.181
[23:55] <phatmonkey> is this the same in all colleges?
[23:55] <jcoxon> yup
[23:55] <phatmonkey> phew
[23:55] <phatmonkey> i certainly wouldn't pick a college with crap internet :D
[23:55] <jcoxon> hehe
[23:55] <icez> lol
[23:55] <jcoxon> right i'll try and work out what version that is
[23:57] <phatmonkey> uploading the image to ram
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[23:57] <jcoxon> its pretty new
[23:59] <jcoxon> its 1003
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