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[06:09] <icez> jeez
[06:09] <icez> blue marble 500m/px is 'huge'
[06:09] <icez> 1.3GB :|
[06:10] <icez> i don't even think i'll be able to split it;p
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[16:31] <phatmonkey> hey all
[16:31] <macfreak4> hi
[16:31] <jcoxon> hey
[16:34] <phatmonkey> yay, got my linux machine back
[16:34] <phatmonkey> i got sick of the noise, so i have silenced it
[16:34] <phatmonkey> now the hiss from my speakers is louder than my computer, doh
[16:34] <macfreak4> lol
[16:35] <macfreak4> yeah i have this old 9 gig SCSI hard drive on my server as a backup
[16:35] <macfreak4> it's noisy as hell
[16:35] <macfreak4> louder than the air conditioning
[16:36] <phatmonkey> i have a delta fan (vacuum cleaner style thang) in one of my file servers
[16:36] <phatmonkey> drowns out the 8 hard disks, two of which are 10k scisis
[16:36] <phatmonkey> scsi
[16:36] <phatmonkey> bit, er, insane
[16:36] <macfreak4> oh wow
[16:36] <macfreak4> 8 hard disks? are they in a raid or something? :P
[16:37] <phatmonkey> 2 SCSI hard disks in a RAID-1
[16:37] <phatmonkey> the 2x RAID-1s in an LVM volume for storage
[16:37] <phatmonkey> then other two drives are in an LVM volume for backups
[16:38] <phatmonkey> *then 2x RAID-1s
[16:38] <macfreak4> is this for personal use?
[16:38] <phatmonkey> yep :D
[16:38] <macfreak4> that's a lot of data
[16:38] <macfreak4> well i guess it depends on the size of the drives
[16:38] <macfreak4> but
[16:38] <macfreak4> still
[16:38] <phatmonkey> they're all 120gb drives
[16:38] <phatmonkey> well, still, a lot of storage
[16:38] <phatmonkey> except the SCSIs, they're 36gb
[16:38] <phatmonkey> i think one of the backup drives is 100gb though
[16:39] <phatmonkey> that's why it's not in a raid-1, they don't match
[16:39] <macfreak4> so you've got nearly a terabyte total storage space?
[16:39] <phatmonkey> raid-1 is mirrored
[16:39] <phatmonkey> so 36gb of boot drive
[16:39] <macfreak4> oh right
[16:40] <phatmonkey> 2x RAID-1 of 120gb volumes in LVM, 240gb
[16:40] <phatmonkey> then i forget how much the other is
[16:41] <phatmonkey> tis a bit silly really
[16:41] <phatmonkey> but i don't feel like selling old hard disks :)
[16:41] <macfreak4> haha
[16:42] <macfreak4> yea this ol bugger of a hard drive i got from the university a long time ago
[16:42] <macfreak4> thought about selling it or thowing it away
[16:42] <macfreak4> but it's more useful here than a landfill
[16:42] <macfreak4> and the My Documents folder on my win machine just fits in it
[16:42] <macfreak4> so the server copies it over every day at midnight
[16:43] <macfreak4> i'm happy with that
[16:45] <icez> 8x 120gb?!?!!?
[16:45] <phatmonkey> :D
[16:47] <icez> i have 100gb, and i had to force myself to be able to fill it up
[16:47] <icez> :P
[16:50] <macfreak4> phatmonkey or jcoxon, i'm wondering if the link on ukhas "Andrew's Near-Space Balloon" could be changed to ENSURE-1 Near-Space Project
[16:50] <macfreak4> and the link could be changed to the actual page
[16:50] <macfreak4> instead of my home page
[16:51] <jcoxon> yup
[16:52] <jcoxon> no problem
[16:52] <macfreak4> wow i just got about 5 messages at once
[16:52] <macfreak4> there's some kind of lag
[16:54] <jcoxon> whats address do you want the link to?
[16:57] <jcoxon> done
[16:58] <jcoxon> macfreak4, could you add yourself to the ukhas wiki page please :-)
[16:59] <macfreak4> http://macfreak4.homeunix.com/projects/ensure
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[17:08] <phatmonkey> jcoxon, when are you planning to launch?
[17:14] <jcoxon> hmmm
[17:14] <jcoxon> not sure
[17:14] <jcoxon> definitly in the next 2 weeks
[17:15] <jcoxon> still waiting for hte nova guys to get insurance
[17:16] <jcoxon> if they still haven't got any by next week then I'll have to go ahead - I need to launch before I go to africa
[17:21] <jcoxon> the payload is all working nicely
[17:23] <macfreak4> jcoxon: i did
[17:23] <macfreak4> a while ago
[17:24] <macfreak4> or you mean under the members section?
[17:24] <jcoxon> yeah
[17:24] <jcoxon> :-)
[17:25] <jcoxon> its just so when people come on here they can work out what we each do...
[17:27] <macfreak4> okee
[17:27] <macfreak4> i'm on
[17:27] <macfreak4> :)
[17:27] <jcoxon> cool
[17:27] <macfreak4> i'm not going to make a page about my project on the wiki tho
[17:28] <macfreak4> i don't really like wikis
[17:28] <macfreak4> if that's ok...
[17:30] <jcoxon> no worries
[17:30] <jcoxon> the link is just fine
[17:39] <macfreak4> noob question:
[17:39] <macfreak4> how can you run multiple programs from the command line in linux?
[17:40] <jcoxon> stick an & after the command
[17:40] <jcoxon> it'll run the program and then allow you to start another
[17:41] <macfreak4> then how do you get back to one program to control it?
[17:41] <jcoxon> right well if you need to go back to it then thats a different matter
[17:41] <jcoxon> you'll have multiple shells open
[17:42] <jcoxon> so you could switch to another
[17:42] <jcoxon> something like ALT F2
[17:42] <macfreak4> oh ok
[17:45] <phatmonkey> if you need to go back to a program you starting with &, use the fg command :)
[17:45] <macfreak4> alt f2 works
[17:46] <macfreak4> what params does fg need?
[17:46] <macfreak4> ooh
[17:46] <macfreak4> never mind
[17:46] <macfreak4> :)
[17:47] <macfreak4> thanks
[17:51] <macfreak4> haha the guys over at the FreeBASIC forums don't like my "attitude"
[17:51] <macfreak4> because i accused it of not being a qbasic clone, which is true
[17:51] <macfreak4> must be devs or something...
[17:52] <macfreak4> i mean, come on, how hard can it be to clone a 20-year-old piece of software??
[17:58] <phatmonkey> lol
[17:58] <phatmonkey> just just python ;)
[17:58] <phatmonkey> basic is an icky language
[17:59] <phatmonkey> worked on the spectrum 20 years ago, not quite up to doing much these days
[18:04] <macfreak4> well then i have to learn a new language
[18:04] <macfreak4> before the launch
[18:04] <macfreak4> i'm not sure what the best option is, hassle with basic, or learn a new language
[18:08] <phatmonkey> get somebody else to write it?
[18:09] <phatmonkey> what's it got to do?
[18:09] <phatmonkey> it can't be much if it's just an uncontrolled payload
[18:09] <macfreak4> well
[18:10] <macfreak4> one thing is it's gotta turn ascii gps sentences into binary into audio tones, one tone for binary 1 one tone for binary 2
[18:10] <macfreak4> and output over the audio card at around 50 wpm
[18:10] <macfreak4> it also has to tell a command-line-controlled sstv program to transmit images from the webcam
[18:10] <macfreak4> and save gps locations in a log
[18:11] <macfreak4> and control the onboard 2 megapixel camera, nichrome burn wire, mirror motor, etc over the parallel port
[18:11] <macfreak4> and get analog readings from the serial port and save and tramsmit like the gps
[18:12] <jcoxon> macfreak4, do you want to log all the nmea sentances from the gps?
[18:12] <macfreak4> that would get pretty big, probably
[18:12] <macfreak4> but i have lots of space
[18:12] <jcoxon> is the gps serial?
[18:12] <macfreak4> no it's a usb garmin
[18:12] <macfreak4> but there's a linux project that makes it into a virtual serial port
[18:12] <jcoxon> what happens when you plug it in?
[18:12] <macfreak4> in nmea format
[18:13] <jcoxon> yeah thats standard
[18:13] <phatmonkey> that would be quite simple to do in something like python or perl
[18:13] <jcoxon> does it come through as ttyUSB0
[18:13] <phatmonkey> python is rather easy to learn
[18:13] <phatmonkey> ... if you wanted to do it
[18:13] <jcoxon> cause the most basic way would be:
[18:13] <jcoxon> cat /dev/ttyUSB0 >/gps.log &
[18:14] <phatmonkey> cat /dev/ttyUSB0 >> gps.log &
[18:14] <macfreak4> ok it spit out
[18:14] <phatmonkey> that would append instead of overwriting it
[18:14] <macfreak4> Garmin GPS usb/tty converter detected
[18:14] <jcoxon> yes of course
[18:14] <macfreak4> Garmin GPS usb/tty converter now attached to ttyUSB1
[18:15] <jcoxon> so right now if you do;
[18:15] <phatmonkey> brilliant, just change that USB0 to USB1
[18:15] <jcoxon> cat /dev/ttyUSB1
[18:15] <jcoxon> phatmonkey, he might need to change the baud rate
[18:15] <phatmonkey> ah yes
[18:15] <macfreak4> hmm
[18:15] <phatmonkey> damn serial... if only the USB protocol were easier to implement!
[18:15] <macfreak4> there's no command prompt
[18:16] <macfreak4> just a blinking cursor
[18:16] <jcoxon> ctl c
[18:16] <jcoxon> will kill it
[18:16] <phatmonkey> hit ctrl-c to exit
[18:16] <phatmonkey> yeah
[18:16] <macfreak4> ok that's fixed
[18:16] <jcoxon> nothing came through?
[18:16] <macfreak4> just entered cat /dev/ttyUSB1
[18:16] <jcoxon> right do this first
[18:17] <jcoxon> stty -F /dev/ttyUSB1 speed 4800
[18:17] <jcoxon> then cat /dev/ttyUSB!
[18:17] <jcoxon> USB1 that is
[18:17] <macfreak4> okee after the stty command, it spat out 9600
[18:17] <jcoxon> thats fine
[18:18] <jcoxon> that was just what it was
[18:18] <macfreak4> ok
[18:18] <macfreak4> just checking
[18:18] <jcoxon> now if you cat /dev/ttyUSB1
[18:18] <jcoxon> what do you get?
[18:18] <macfreak4> no command prompt
[18:18] <macfreak4> blinking...
[18:18] <jcoxon> is it powered on?
[18:18] <jcoxon> :-p
[18:19] <macfreak4> just sitting there
[18:19] <macfreak4> what does that command do?
[18:19] <jcoxon> which one?
[18:19] <jcoxon> stty changes the speed
[18:19] <jcoxon> cat just reads the file
[18:19] <macfreak4> ok
[18:19] <jcoxon> but as its an actual device it continually reads it
[18:20] <phatmonkey> for the sound, it's simple a matter of writing to /dev/audio
[18:20] <phatmonkey> i wonder if cat /dev/ttyUSB1 > /dev/audio would do the job!
[18:20] <phatmonkey> doubt it somehow
[18:20] <macfreak4> i think that the usb hub is overcurrent right now...
[18:22] <macfreak4> ok now it's not complaining about power
[18:22] <macfreak4> it's still sitting there with nothing after cat /dev/ttyUSB1
[18:22] <macfreak4> would that mean that there's no fix?
[18:23] <jcoxon> nah it should stream even without a fix
[18:23] <jcoxon> what does "dmesg say"
[18:23] <jcoxon> sorry that should be "dmesg" say
[18:23] <macfreak4> well, a lot
[18:24] <macfreak4> a bunch of text reporting usb peripherals that are connected
[18:24] <jcoxon> i'm suprised its taken ttyUSB1 not ttyUSB0
[18:24] <macfreak4> there's another device
[18:25] <macfreak4> actually, there should be two other devices
[18:25] <jcoxon> do
[18:25] <jcoxon> dmesg |grep ttyUSB0
[18:26] <macfreak4> yeah that's the USB-Serial converter
[18:26] <macfreak4> b/c the laptop has no serial ports
[18:27] <jcoxon> whats the make of your gps unit?
[18:27] <macfreak4> garmin
[18:27] <macfreak4> i think it's a GPS-30
[18:27] <macfreak4> wait no
[18:27] <phatmonkey> the usb garmins use a funny proprietary protocol
[18:28] <phatmonkey> gpsd reads it I believe
[18:28] <jcoxon> but there should be a stream of data surely
[18:28] <jcoxon> even if its garbled
[18:30] <macfreak4> yeah that's... odd...
[18:31] <macfreak4> i mean, the adc should be spitting out data on ttyUSB0 too, but cat /dev/ttyUSB0 does nothing
[18:32] <jcoxon> brb
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[18:32] <macfreak4> ah it's a gps 18
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[19:14] <Tiger^> yay
[19:15] <Tiger^> they said they're really gonna launch this time
[19:17] <jcoxon> :-D
[19:17] <jcoxon> i bet my stream will stop like last shuttle launch :-(
[19:20] <Tiger^> guys on the pl.sci.kosmos usenet group are discussing if they intentionally waited for the 4th of july ;>
[19:20] <Tiger^> hehe
[19:21] <jcoxon> hehe
[19:21] <jcoxon> an interesting theory
[19:25] <Tiger^> heheheh
[19:25] <Tiger^> "america is ready"
[19:25] <Tiger^> yeaaah!
[19:26] <rocketboy> anyone know when the launch window is tonight?
[19:26] <jcoxon> i want a shuttle program
[19:26] <jcoxon> 10 mins
[19:26] <rocketboy> ta
[19:26] <Tiger^> and the CDR's been talking about independence day
[19:26] <jcoxon> its t-9
[19:26] <jcoxon> l-12
[19:26] <Tiger^> t-9 but still holding
[19:30] <phatmonkey> where's the stream?
[19:30] <phatmonkey> nasa.gov?
[19:30] <jcoxon> nasatv
[19:30] <jcoxon> yeah
[19:31] <phatmonkey> eh, that's dumb, they don't have a redirect from nasa.gov to www.nasa.gov
[19:32] <phatmonkey> euch, what format is it
[19:32] <phatmonkey> it isn't playing on ubuntu
[19:32] <jcoxon> real
[19:32] <jcoxon> it won't
[19:32] <jcoxon> probably
[19:32] <phatmonkey> ah, i haven't got realplayer
[19:32] <Tiger^> hmm, it's wmv
[19:32] <jcoxon> you've got 6mins to get it!
[19:32] <phatmonkey> argh
[19:32] <jcoxon> i'm using real on my mac
[19:32] <phatmonkey> if only apt were better
[19:32] <phatmonkey> realplayer: Depends: xlibs but it is not installable
[19:32] <Tiger^> and mplayer should be able to play it
[19:33] <Tiger^> phatmonkey: it's not real player!
[19:33] <jcoxon> mplayer -vo vesa -fs 'mms://a2swmod019.bcst.a2s.yahoo.com/bcenc202211?StreamID=26252900&pg=669f44d85cdfe0dc77c17e4963aae9aa&so=/specialevents1/Nasa%20-%20Yahoo%20Player/livestream&b=ajjmga91pbvkl44a6a325&s=792722768&CG_ID=1369081'
[19:33] <Tiger^> it's windows media video!
[19:33] <Tiger^> ;>
[19:33] <jcoxon> there is a real stream as well
[19:33] <jcoxon> i'm using it
[19:33] <Tiger^> jcoxon: but it's easier to play wmv under Linux.
[19:33] <Tiger^> with mplayer :)
[19:34] <phatmonkey> connecting... connecting...
[19:34] <phatmonkey> COME awn!
[19:34] <jcoxon> my view isn't very interesting!
[19:35] <phatmonkey> ah, works on my mac
[19:35] <phatmonkey> if only there could be a mish mash of OS X amd ubuntu
[19:35] <phatmonkey> damn closed source software...
[19:38] <rocketboy> Light her up
[19:39] <phatmonkey> god, the commentary is so tacky
[19:39] <rocketboy> rev up?
[19:41] <phatmonkey> it didn't blow up.... a good sign i guess
[19:41] <phatmonkey> !
[19:43] <rocketboy> just made space
[19:43] <rocketboy> 5 mins to space
[19:46] <Tiger^> i can't stand the commentary
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[19:46] <Tiger^> this guy's there only to calm the taxpayers.
[19:47] <phatmonkey> it's ok when he's telling us what's going on now, but the crap they say at launch, jheez
[19:50] <macfreak4> woo
[19:50] <macfreak4> good launch
[19:50] <jcoxon> :-D
[19:50] <jcoxon> bbl
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[19:56] <macfreak4> where would i find the kernel source directory?
[19:58] <phatmonkey> /usr/src/linux
[19:59] <phatmonkey> buut, it's not installed by default
[19:59] <phatmonkey> apt-cache search linux-source
[19:59] <phatmonkey> uname -r
[19:59] <phatmonkey> install one that matches
[19:59] <phatmonkey> apt-get install linux-source *might* do it, i'm not sure
[20:01] <phatmonkey> god, all this new computer stuff is such a waste
[20:01] <phatmonkey> i have a whole bin full of plastic wrappings
[20:01] <phatmonkey> well, and tissues... damn hayfever
[20:01] <macfreak4> omg they're using windows xp!!!??
[20:01] <macfreak4> that's horrible
[20:02] <phatmonkey> ?!
[20:03] <macfreak4> wow i got all your messages at once
[20:03] <macfreak4> yeah nasa's public tv showed a live screenshot of windows xp logging the path of the shuttle
[20:03] <phatmonkey> probably freenode crapping up
[20:04] <icez> ewwww
[20:04] <phatmonkey> haha, encouraging
[20:04] <phatmonkey> (so that's why they lost the shuttle...)
[20:04] <icez> :|
[20:04] <phatmonkey> bsod! zomg!
[20:04] <icez> "houston, we have a bluescreen!"
[20:04] <icez> :/
[20:04] <phatmonkey> lmao
[20:05] <phatmonkey> yowch :/
[20:05] <macfreak4> maybe it's just for the public tv
[20:05] <icez> just to make MS happy so that they'll give them money :|
[20:05] <icez> lol.
[20:05] <phatmonkey> i doubt they use windows to control the shuttle *somehow*...
[20:06] <macfreak4> yeah that would be really bad
[20:06] <icez> impossibly bad
[20:06] <icez> launch.exe
[20:06] <icez> :]
[20:07] <macfreak4> ha
[20:07] <macfreak4> Windows XP Space Shuttle Edition
[20:07] <icez> lol
[20:07] <icez> they might have space invaders in the games folder:)
[20:08] <macfreak4> lol
[20:26] <Tiger^> hmm
[20:26] <Tiger^> post launch news conference
[20:26] <Tiger^> that'll be boring.
[20:31] <icez> i wonder if they put the docking on nasa tv..
[20:31] <icez> i've never seen a docking
[20:31] <icez> :/
[20:33] <Tiger^> they should
[21:03] <macfreak4> wow a conference
[21:03] <macfreak4> how exciting
[21:03] <macfreak4> i think i'll go to sleep
[21:10] <Tiger^> :)
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[21:59] <macfreak4> hmm debian is really really big
[21:59] <macfreak4> >500MB
[22:09] <phatmonkey> that's what you've got to pay for a disgribution that'll actually do something :)
[22:09] <phatmonkey> or think about using a small hard disk in some rubber
[22:09] <phatmonkey> physically small
[22:10] <phatmonkey> like ipod, microdrives or 2.5"
[22:10] <macfreak4> hmm yeah...
[22:10] <macfreak4> but they hog more power
[22:10] <macfreak4> i guess i'll have to do with 500mb
[22:14] <phatmonkey> you can get 4gb flash cards of course
[22:14] <phatmonkey> and if you partitioned it as ext3, they're really easy to resize
[22:14] <macfreak4> yes but they're fuxxxing expensive!!
[22:14] <phatmonkey> yeah...
[22:14] <Tiger^> more expensive than the laptop probably ;>
[22:15] <macfreak4> oh eyah
[22:15] <macfreak4> my current cf card is worth more than the laptop
[22:15] <macfreak4> and it's just a 1 gig
[22:15] <macfreak4> card
[22:17] <macfreak4> it just occured to me
[22:18] <macfreak4> i dont think debian knows about the sound card
[22:18] <macfreak4> because anything to do with sound doesnt work
[22:18] <phatmonkey> apt-get install alsa-base
[22:18] <phatmonkey> and tag alsa-utils onto the end of that
[22:19] <phatmonkey> i think they're the packages, one sec
[22:19] <macfreak4> wow debian is a freaking monster
[22:19] <macfreak4> ok
[22:19] <macfreak4> it's installing
[22:19] <phatmonkey> apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils alsa-tools
[22:20] <phatmonkey> that should work
[22:22] <macfreak4> nope
[22:22] <macfreak4> still doesnt work
[22:22] <macfreak4> :/
[22:24] <phatmonkey> huzum hazah
[22:24] <macfreak4> sound worked out-of-the-box on damn small
[22:24] <phatmonkey> load up alsamixer
[22:24] <phatmonkey> see if it's finding anything
[22:24] <phatmonkey> i dunno to be honest, i just run debian servers :)
[22:25] <macfreak4> hehe ok
[22:25] <macfreak4> ths
[22:25] <macfreak4> thx*
[22:25] <macfreak4> ok it does see it
[22:25] <macfreak4> but the colume was all the way down
[22:25] <macfreak4> heh
[22:25] <macfreak4> volume*
[22:25] <phatmonkey> hehe
[22:26] <macfreak4> it also say Master [Off]
[22:26] <macfreak4> how do i turn it on?
[22:27] <macfreak4> YES
[22:27] <macfreak4> italy scored!
[22:27] <macfreak4> sorry
[22:27] <phatmonkey> lol
[22:27] <phatmonkey> space
[22:27] <macfreak4> not workin
[22:27] <phatmonkey> man alsamixer and it'll tell you all the key combos
[22:27] <phatmonkey> there's probably other things you have to turn on
[22:27] <phatmonkey> just turn on everything!
[22:27] <phatmonkey> pcm and stuff
[22:28] <phatmonkey> alsaplay a wav file
[22:28] <phatmonkey> or cat a large file to /dev/audio to see if it's working
[22:28] <phatmonkey> make sure speakers are plugged in blah blah, etc
[22:28] <macfreak4> ok
[22:28] <macfreak4> yeah i have headphones on
[22:28] <macfreak4> hehe 2 goals
[22:28] <macfreak4> they win
[22:28] <macfreak4> :D
[22:31] <macfreak4> nothing's turning on
[22:31] <macfreak4> this is weird
[22:34] <macfreak4> oooh
[22:34] <macfreak4> mute
[22:34] <macfreak4> haha
[22:34] <macfreak4> stupid
[22:35] <macfreak4> okeay it's working now
[22:35] <phatmonkey> nice
[22:35] <macfreak4> everything was muted
[22:35] <macfreak4> now it beeps nicely
[22:35] <macfreak4> :D
[22:36] <macfreak4> so looking at my storage space i have used exactly 50% of the 1GB CF card
[22:37] <macfreak4> leaving ~500MB for storage
[22:43] <Tiger^> and think about the memory Apollo Guidance Computer had.
[22:43] <Tiger^> :P
[22:50] <macfreak4> according to wikipedia, it has a 2.048MHz clock
[22:50] <macfreak4> had*
[22:50] <macfreak4> 4K RAM and 32K ROM
[22:51] <macfreak4> that's really good for the time, i believe
[22:51] <Tiger^> yeah
[22:53] <Tiger^> my main flight computer had less RAM and more ROM :P
[22:55] <macfreak4> lol
[22:55] <icez> was it someone here that used a pencam as a webcam for their project?
[22:55] <macfreak4> think it was Tiger^
[22:56] <macfreak4> i'm using a regular 'ol webcam
[22:56] <macfreak4> regular 'ol [crappy] webcam
[22:56] <macfreak4> :P
[22:56] <Tiger^> yeah it was me and the guy from Balloon v1.0 before me
[22:56] <Tiger^> he used an older version, though
[22:57] <icez> uhm did you have to do something so that the cam wouldn't go off after some time?
[22:57] <icez> :/
[22:59] <Tiger^> yeah
[22:59] <Tiger^> read about it at my site
[22:59] <Tiger^> i used usb power
[22:59] <icez> oh
[23:00] <Tiger^> the on/off switch is inactive then
[23:00] <Tiger^> and auto-off is disabled.
[23:00] <Tiger^> brb
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