highaltitude.log.20060628

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[07:26] <icez> boohoo
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[10:06] <jcoxon> morning all
[10:11] <defy> hey :)
[10:12] <jcoxon> hows it going?
[10:12] <defy> not too bad, was just searching google for some uav videos...how about yourself?
[10:13] <jcoxon> yeah
[10:13] <jcoxon> my gumstix is annoying me right now
[10:13] <jcoxon> so its a job for today - fix that
[10:13] <defy> how come?
[10:13] <defy> hehe
[10:14] <jcoxon> well at present its not booting
[10:14] <jcoxon> but i really haven't looked into why yet
[10:14] <jcoxon> i usually login via usb
[10:14] <jcoxon> so thats not coming up
[10:14] <defy> ah, something obvious will probably show up on console
[10:14] <jcoxon> oh probably
[10:15] <jcoxon> either its dropping into uboot as a wire is touching on ttyS0
[10:15] <jcoxon> or the bloody jffs2 check is messing me around again
[10:15] <jcoxon> i thought i'd sorted that out
[10:15] <defy> hehe
[10:15] <defy> are you still logging to the main fs?
[10:15] <jcoxon> yup
[10:16] <defy> I didnt think there was a way around that problem, apart from moving to ext3 or something
[10:16] <defy> or halting it rather than power cycling it
[10:16] <jcoxon> i don't think thats the issue
[10:17] <jcoxon> i think the issue is with hte difference between the 200xm and basic
[10:17] <jcoxon> right time to restart in to ubuntu to sort this mess out
[10:17] <jcoxon> hehe
[10:17] <jcoxon> bbl
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[10:33] <defy> wb :)
[10:33] <jcoxon> right found hte problem
[10:33] <defy> sweet
[10:34] <jcoxon> and now fixed
[10:34] <jcoxon> well not really fixed
[10:34] <jcoxon> but it now boots happily
[10:35] <defy> what was it?
[10:35] <jcoxon> the jffs issue
[10:35] <jcoxon> i just manually ran the boot command in uboot
[10:35] <jcoxon> and then halted
[10:35] <jcoxon> and it sorts itself out
[10:36] <defy> weird, when i was having that problem it was definlately because i was writing to the fs while i shut it down
[10:36] <defy> even the cf cards have the same problem to an extent, once the files get quite large...so i started rotating them every 5 minutes which made the cf card stop going corrupt as well
[10:39] <defy> there must be some way to make uboot boot regardless of the problem though, since its still bootable
[10:42] <jcoxon> probably
[10:42] <jcoxon> could hack it so that it doesn't do the scan
[10:43] <jcoxon> though i reckon its best to leave uboot alone
[10:43] <jcoxon> i'm not to worried
[10:43] <defy> sweet
[10:43] <jcoxon> i'll of course make sure the gumstix is working before launch
[10:43] <jcoxon> it really shouldn't lose power in flight
[10:43] <jcoxon> and if it does i'll still be able to track the phone itself
[10:43] <jcoxon> and the 434mhz beacon
[10:44] <jcoxon> peg III has 4 methods of tracking!
[10:45] <defy> damn, awesome...i looked into personal beacons here but they are about 400 bucks each
[10:47] <jcoxon> and now its not working :(
[10:51] <defy> same thing?
[10:51] <jcoxon> doesn't seem to be
[10:51] <jcoxon> i just checked the console
[10:51] <jcoxon> thats fine
[10:51] <jcoxon> its booting
[10:52] <jcoxon> bingo
[10:52] <jcoxon> its now working
[10:53] <defy> sweet
[11:03] <defy> i got my thermopile sensors
[11:03] <defy> they work quite well
[11:05] <defy> thinking about tracking my plane trip to america with my gumstix
[11:06] <jcoxon> ooo that would be cool
[11:06] <jcoxon> not sure how well gps works inside all that metal of a plane
[11:06] <defy> I've gotten a lock inside of a plane before
[11:06] <defy> not a very good one though
[11:06] <jcoxon> oh cool
[11:07] <defy> http://defy.net/gallery/orig_sac_to_la.jpg
[11:07] <defy> i managed to get the lock after we were already in the air so i assume it should keep a better lock if i get it while on the ground
[11:08] <defy> i should be able to log the pitch/roll/direction movement with the gyros too
[11:08] <defy> i just dont know about trying to get it all on the plane in my carry on
[11:09] <jcoxon> they might look at you slightly strangely with all the "gizmos
[11:09] <jcoxon> "
[11:09] <defy> yea, lots of wires and dodgey soldering
[11:11] <defy> are you still using the gpsparser script?
[11:11] <jcoxon> yup
[11:12] <defy> are you using the version that sets the date?
[11:12] <jcoxon> yup
[11:13] <jcoxon> though i'm going to change it slightly to put commas instead of colons
[11:13] <defy> okay, theres a little bug in it that makes it set the date every second :P waste of cpu
[11:13] <jcoxon> oooo well if you have a copy
[11:13] <jcoxon> i'll replace it :-)
[11:13] <jcoxon> (or just explain where to make the change)
[11:13] <defy> my copy at the moment has slightly migrated to fit in with my waypoint system, but the fix is just one line
[11:13] <defy> inside of this if statement....
[11:13] <defy> if ($split[0] =~ /GPZDA/ && $settime == 1) {
[11:14] <defy> at the end , before the } elsif
[11:14] <defy> add a
[11:14] <defy> $settime = 0;
[11:14] <defy> that way once it's set, it wont ever set again unless the date goes back to before 2005
[11:15] <jcoxon> cool
[11:15] <jcoxon> i'll do that in a second
[11:22] <jcoxon> defy, do you think that the gumstix can happily take 6v
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[15:20] <defy--> hey :)
[15:21] <phatmonkey> hey
[15:21] <defy--> hows it going
[15:21] <phatmonkey> anybody know anywhere else to get gumstix goodies?
[15:21] <phatmonkey> alright
[15:22] <phatmonkey> half their stuff is out of stock, euch
[15:22] <defy--> anywhere else? apart from them directly?
[15:22] <phatmonkey> mm
[15:22] <defy--> yea =/
[15:22] <phatmonkey> got loads of coding done though
[15:22] <defy--> not other than second hand stuff
[15:23] <defy--> what boards are you waiting on?
[15:24] <phatmonkey> robostix and netcf
[15:25] <phatmonkey> the netcf adaptor will be back within 2 weeks, dunno about the robostix
[15:25] <phatmonkey> i could get a netmmc adaptor and a robostix without pins
[15:25] <phatmonkey> but it'll be a pain soldering everything on
[15:25] <defy--> yea those headers are so handy, i wish the gpsstix had them
[15:26] <defy--> although the holes to solder in look much bigger on the robostix, they are damn tiny on the gpsstix
[15:26] <defy--> i got my sensors and everything loaded and logging, now for lots of testing
[15:27] <phatmonkey> yeah
[15:30] <defy--> you could try asking on the mailing list and see if anyone has any they'd be willing to sell
[15:30] <defy--> every now and then i see people post selling their boards
[15:32] <phatmonkey> yeah
[15:33] <phatmonkey> i shall do that
[15:37] <phatmonkey> yays, a lot of the hard coding is over with now
[15:37] <phatmonkey> server/client written by freddie
[15:37] <phatmonkey> simple waypoint management
[15:38] <phatmonkey> calculating attitude (full 360 degrees of pitch and bank) from thermopiles
[15:38] <phatmonkey> eerrm
[15:38] <phatmonkey> oh yeah, and calculating bearing and distance between two gps coordinates
[15:39] <defy--> hehe
[15:39] <defy--> i tackled that task a few weeks ago
[15:39] <defy--> math hurts my brain =/
[15:39] <phatmonkey> yeah
[15:39] <defy--> oh i haven't done the thermopile stuff yet
[15:39] <defy--> im only logging the readings into the sensors, but i wrote all of my gps code
[15:39] <defy--> to calculate heading/distance to waypoints and such
[15:40] <phatmonkey> oh, are you doing a glider?
[15:40] <defy--> eventually yeah
[15:40] <phatmonkey> ah, nice
[15:41] <defy--> my waypoint system doesnt work with altitude yet, im not sure if it even needs to
[15:44] <defy--> what type of frontend do you use?
[15:44] <phatmonkey> what do you mean?
[15:44] <defy--> are you going to use anything to show the planes attitude and location in real time? text or graphical?
[15:47] <phatmonkey> we don't have any plans for live communication, what with all the silly UK laws
[15:47] <phatmonkey> but there's complicated logging, so we can print out a bunch of stuff for the user for development
[15:48] <defy--> sweet
[15:48] <phatmonkey> if we do manage live communication, i'm sure freddie can whip up a nice gui
[15:48] <defy--> Have you done many flights before?
[15:48] <defy--> you may have already told me, i always forget whos who in here ;P
[15:54] <phatmonkey> same!
[15:54] <phatmonkey> nope, nothing yet
[15:55] <phatmonkey> but i've been in touch with james since his launch
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[15:56] <defy--> how often are you polling the thermopiles?
[15:56] <jcoxon> afternoon all
[15:56] <defy--> hey :)
[15:56] <jcoxon> phatmonkey, thats a desperate plea to the gumstix mailing list :-p
[15:56] <phatmonkey> ah hi
[15:57] <phatmonkey> yes. yes. it is
[15:57] <phatmonkey> :o
[15:57] <phatmonkey> defy--: around 10Hz
[15:57] <phatmonkey> the gumstix has so much processing power, we can do a hell of a lot
[15:59] <phatmonkey> let's purty up the ukhas design in a bit
[16:00] <phatmonkey> just finishing the implementation of an error logging library...
[16:00] <jcoxon> cool
[16:00] <jcoxon> yeah i'm around for the next hour or so
[16:01] <jcoxon> just been testing my radio comms for Peg III
[16:01] <jcoxon> seem to be working
[16:01] <jcoxon> though need some new AAA batteries
[16:01] <phatmonkey> ah nice
[16:05] <defy--> phatmonkey sweet, i'm doing about the same with perl through i2c, if the code goes directly on the robostix im sure it can go much faster
[16:05] <phatmonkey> jcoxon, I have just got a package full of stuff from a guy who knows a *lot* about radio
[16:06] <phatmonkey> we shall have to chat with him about it
[16:06] <jcoxon> oooo cool
[16:06] <phatmonkey> he had a lot of stuff about laws, and included ham radio handbooks and things
[16:06] <phatmonkey> basically just confirming what we already know sadly
[16:06] <jcoxon> excellent
[16:06] <jcoxon> have you spoken to rocketboy yet?
[16:06] <phatmonkey> but i'm sure we can chat with him about it
[16:06] <phatmonkey> not sure... probably
[16:07] <jcoxon> he has started coming on here
[16:07] <phatmonkey> everybody seems to be doing the same thing, i get confused over who's who
[16:07] <defy--> lol
[16:07] <jcoxon> he represented the ham community to the caa about airbourne radios
[16:07] <phatmonkey> ah right, nice
[16:07] <jcoxon> we should have a page of people and their projects :-D
[16:07] <phatmonkey> soar.org.uk guy?
[16:07] <phatmonkey> yes!!
[16:07] <jcoxon> no not soar
[16:07] <phatmonkey> a page of membership?
[16:08] <phatmonkey> and what each member is doing
[16:08] <phatmonkey> wiki job methinks
[16:08] <jcoxon> if we can intergrate the wiki
[16:09] <jcoxon> oooo i might be able to fly Peg IV in Niger
[16:10] <phatmonkey> http://wiki.ukhas.org.uk/ukhas:members something along the lines of that methinks
[16:10] <phatmonkey> ooooh, nice!
[16:10] <jcoxon> though i won't have to worry about tracking it or getting a balloon
[16:10] <jcoxon> just a gumstix/gps and camera
[16:10] <phatmonkey> why not tracking?
[16:10] <jcoxon> it would be attached to the main train
[16:10] <phatmonkey> ah right
[16:10] <icez> you could always redesign the wiki theme and lock the pages you don't want people to edit and make the whole website a wiki
[16:11] Action: jcoxon seems to remember that icez doesn't like cms
[16:11] <jcoxon> :-p
[16:11] <icez> well the one you are using isn't my favorite:p
[16:11] <jcoxon> hehe
[16:13] <icez> ohh i learned something new from that rocketing group here that suposedly didn't accept newbies
[16:13] <icez> they let anyone come, I just have to pay 5$ for range fees...but I get last priority over "members"
[16:13] <icez> :P
[16:13] <jcoxon> got to start somewhere i guess
[16:14] <icez> yeah
[16:14] <icez> i just don't think i'm ready for huge rockets that require a certification:P
[16:14] <jcoxon> hehe
[16:14] <phatmonkey> icez, what cms do you suggest? drupal was the best of all the crap ones i found
[16:15] <icez> i like textpattern, although it requires a bit of configuration
[16:18] <phatmonkey> hmm
[16:18] <phatmonkey> i'll have a loojk
[16:18] <phatmonkey> i don't really like drupal
[16:19] <icez> :)
[16:21] <phatmonkey> what do you think jcoxon ?
[16:21] <jcoxon> one sec i'll have a look
[16:21] <phatmonkey> it has sensible urls too, oh joy!
[16:22] <phatmonkey> http://wiki.ukhas.org.uk/ukhas:members
[16:22] <jcoxon> it looks very smart
[16:23] <phatmonkey> shall we get people to add themselves to that list?
[16:23] <jcoxon> textpattern that is
[16:23] <jcoxon> but it seems to be suited to a lot of text - i worry that we don't actually have very much
[16:23] <phatmonkey> it doesn't matter what it looks like
[16:23] <phatmonkey> that can be changed!
[16:24] <icez> yeah
[16:24] <jcoxon> phatmonkey, perhaps we can do a super email to all the ukhas members to ask them to update the wiki
[16:24] <phatmonkey> the pretty urls alone make me happy
[16:24] <phatmonkey> yeah
[16:24] <jcoxon> if you can get it to work go for it!
[16:24] <phatmonkey> hmm
[16:24] <icez> (i can help too)
[16:26] <phatmonkey> yep
[16:26] <phatmonkey> ok, i'll get a textpattern up in a temp place
[16:27] <phatmonkey> shall i put it in a temp place?
[16:27] <phatmonkey> then we can skin it, then mass mail everyone before moving over to tell them about the wiki and to register on the new site
[16:27] <jcoxon> yeah that sounds like a good plan
[16:27] <phatmonkey> hmm, well, we might not need to register on the new one
[16:28] <phatmonkey> no need to register for people who aren't going to be editing content
[16:28] <jcoxon> well stick it up and we'll mess around with it
[16:28] <phatmonkey> yeah
[16:28] <jcoxon> it would be nice to have a simple registering thingy
[16:28] <phatmonkey> let's have this and a mailing list for communication
[16:28] <jcoxon> just to keep track of numbers and make it more of society
[16:28] <jcoxon> i think its important that we make it obvious that it isn't just uk
[16:28] <phatmonkey> there'll be no point - we can just get people to add their name to the wiki for now
[16:29] <phatmonkey> yes
[16:29] <jcoxon> we have a lots of non uk people
[16:29] <jcoxon> probably more in fact
[16:29] <jcoxon> hehe
[16:29] <defy--> we're taking over
[16:29] <phatmonkey> maybe we should sort out a proper membership thang
[16:29] <phatmonkey> yeah, tis true
[16:29] Nick change: defy-- -> defy
[16:29] <phatmonkey> keep a membership list somewhere with details
[16:31] <jcoxon> i don't think we need that many details
[16:32] <icez> i would add my name but i have nothing to show:/
[16:32] <jcoxon> but yeah nick/realname/email address would be all we need
[16:32] <jcoxon> ooo perhaps country as well
[16:32] <jcoxon> so when my balloon lands in the USA i can email icez to go and get it :-p
[16:32] <icez> ;)
[16:33] <icez> and I can tell you to watch out for a gone-crazy rocket going toward the UK:?
[16:33] <jcoxon> exactly
[16:33] <jcoxon> an early warning system!
[16:36] <icez> you know what would be nice
[16:36] <icez> if there was a public 3-way communications satellite just like GPS stuff
[16:36] <defy> phatmonkey do you average the data from the sensors at all?
[16:37] <icez> so you could talk to your balloon in the air and stuff more easily
[16:37] <jcoxon> icez, :-D
[16:37] <phatmonkey> defy, not for now
[16:37] <phatmonkey> will have to evaluate everything after testing
[16:37] <defy> cool, same..the stream is quite up and down but i haven't really gone into a clear area with it yet
[16:38] <defy> they do seem to work overall outside though..pretty neat little things
[16:39] <phatmonkey> what hardware have you got at the moment?
[16:40] <defy> http://defy.net/balloon/images/nav_computer.jpg
[16:42] <defy> all gumstix boards
[16:43] <phatmonkey> be careful, i might come and steal your robostix board in the night
[16:43] <defy> hehe
[16:43] <defy> that would be one expensive robostix
[16:44] <phatmonkey> i need to sort out a circuit for my thermopiles too
[16:44] <phatmonkey> being a flying wing, i can't really use the square widget
[16:45] <defy> foam?
[16:46] <jcoxon> icez - do sign up to the wiki and stick your name there if you want
[16:46] <jcoxon> you don't need a project!
[16:46] <phatmonkey> and only after buying thermopiles did i realise they produce a voltage rather than being a resistive sensor
[16:46] <phatmonkey> defy, yeah, link to that page of piccies
[16:47] <defy> the sensors do themselves?
[16:47] <defy> I'm reading them with the robostix's adc pins
[16:47] <icez> done
[16:48] <defy> well not the sensors themselves, but the output of the board
[16:48] <jcoxon> icez, yay
[16:49] <defy> thats cool, im liking the idea of foam, this epp stuff looks indistructable
[16:52] <icez> phatmonkey, is that scotch tape i see holding the black box on that: http://wiki.ukhas.org.uk/_detail/projects:high_altitude_slug:zagi_60.jpg?id=projects%3Ahigh_altitude_slug%3Aairframe&cache=cache ?
[16:53] <phatmonkey> nope, clear duct tape :P
[16:53] <phatmonkey> the servos are held in with glue and not just tape, don't worry
[16:54] <phatmonkey> that board converts the voltages i believe
[16:54] <phatmonkey> i will have to look up the schematics
[16:55] <icez> is it still in construction, or have you flown it already?
[16:56] <phatmonkey> flown a few times
[16:57] <phatmonkey> but i'm getting another plane to develop the autopilot on, it's a bugger to launch
[16:59] <defy> yea I'm not sure which airframe to go with
[16:59] <phatmonkey> http://new.ukhas.org.uk/
[16:59] <phatmonkey> i would suggest you look into a foam model that's more stable than the zagi
[17:00] <phatmonkey> easier to write autopilots for anyway!
[17:00] <defy> yea, i want something gliderish
[17:01] <jcoxon> nice phatmonkey
[17:01] <jcoxon> right i'll be back later this evening
[17:01] <jcoxon> speak to you all then
[17:01] <phatmonkey> the zagis are really designed to be manoverable rather than stable
[17:01] <phatmonkey> ok
[17:01] <phatmonkey> see ya
[17:01] <defy> cya
[17:01] <phatmonkey> but there's no way that it's going to break
[17:01] <defy> yea
[17:02] <defy> i found a place that sells quite a few different styles in that foam
[17:02] <phatmonkey> if it dives nose first into the ground, i'll just bounce
[17:02] <phatmonkey> it'll
[17:04] <icez> yeah, you'll bounce;]
[17:04] <phatmonkey> hehe
[17:05] <phatmonkey> how can i set up textpattern in a similar way we have in drupal?
[17:05] <phatmonkey> news on the front page, static content everywhere else
[17:05] <icez> you have to change the templates a little
[17:09] <phatmonkey> http://themes.wilshireone.com/waw/
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[17:10] <phatmonkey> ooh, that is quite nice isn't it
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[17:21] <icez> I DID IT!
[17:21] <icez> :/
[17:22] <phatmonkey> did what now?
[17:24] <icez> got Gdk::Color to finally get a color other than black:/
[17:25] <icez> i've been trying for a day now >:|
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[19:00] <phatmonkey> http://new.ukhas.org.uk/
[19:01] <phatmonkey> schweet
[19:01] <phatmonkey> hmm, i need to add the logo to the top left
[19:15] <icez> :D
[19:18] <icez> and i think you can add people to write stuff too
[19:59] <phatmonkey> dear gawd, this is quite complicated
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[20:32] <phatmonkey> http://new.ukhas.org.uk/
[20:32] <phatmonkey> HOKAY
[20:32] <phatmonkey> we're getting there
[20:33] <rocketboy> hi
[20:33] <phatmonkey> hey
[20:34] <rocketboy> I never did get that email for confirming the wiki account - do you think emails from those addresses are blacklisted
[20:35] <rocketboy> by btinternet?
[20:35] <rocketboy> (yahoo)
[20:35] <phatmonkey> I... have no idea
[20:35] <phatmonkey> the wiki won't confirm accounts i don't think
[20:35] <phatmonkey> http://new.ukhas.org.uk/ - how does that look anyway?
[20:35] <rocketboy> seems strange I get lots of other emails including junk
[20:35] <phatmonkey> news and launches don't work, i have yet to add any links
[20:36] <rocketboy> just look
[20:36] <rocketboy> ing
[20:38] <rocketboy> yes I like the logo - is that the only change?
[20:38] <phatmonkey> http://www.ukhas.org.uk/
[20:38] <phatmonkey> quite a big change...
[20:41] <rocketboy> humm for example ... (looks the same to me - then the first time I looked was a couple of days ago)
[20:41] <rocketboy> ??
[20:41] <phatmonkey> http://new.ukhas.org.uk/
[20:41] <phatmonkey> notice the new at the start
[20:41] <phatmonkey> it is the new site
[20:42] <phatmonkey> been working on it all afternoon, yawn
[20:44] <rocketboy> ah (I'm being thick) - much better
[20:46] <rocketboy> excellent work
[20:47] <phatmonkey> sigh, too lazy to finish it now
[20:47] <rocketboy> obviously a few bit missing - but more professional looking than the old one
[20:47] <phatmonkey> yah
[20:47] <phatmonkey> not sure what to put for something else
[20:48] <phatmonkey> might just extend the other two, but 3 looks neater
[20:49] <rocketboy> yeh - definatly need a bit more content - have some designs and testing results I could put up
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[20:49] <phatmonkey> ooh, please fill the wiki with information
[20:51] <rocketboy> I need to sort the password still
[20:53] <phatmonkey> for the wiki?
[20:53] <phatmonkey> urgh
[20:53] <phatmonkey> silly email
[20:54] <rocketboy> yep
[20:55] <phatmonkey> ok
[20:55] <phatmonkey> your password is password
[20:55] <phatmonkey> change it! :D
[20:55] <rocketboy> ta
[20:57] <rocketboy> yeh
[20:58] <rocketboy> im logged in (and passwird changed)
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[22:47] <jcoxon> evening all
[22:47] <phatmonkey> hai james
[22:47] <phatmonkey> http://new.ukhas.org.uk/
[22:47] <phatmonkey> news and launches don't work, no links added
[22:47] <phatmonkey> um, can't think of something else
[22:47] <jcoxon> it looks good
[22:48] <jcoxon> nice pic there i see
[22:48] <phatmonkey> hehe
[22:48] <jcoxon> how about a page of really good pics
[22:48] <jcoxon> like Tiger^'s pics
[22:49] <jcoxon> i like the recent launch bit
[22:59] <jcoxon> phatmonkey, do we need a forum?
[22:59] <jcoxon> or will the wiki do?
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