highaltitude.log.20060626

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[01:08] <macfreak4> hey
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[17:23] <jcoxon> afternoon all
[17:23] <Tiger^> hey jcoxon
[17:23] <icez> hop
[17:23] <Tiger^> and hey icez
[17:23] <icez> hey
[17:23] <Tiger^> http://cygnus.moo.pl/
[17:24] <Tiger^> :)
[17:24] <icez> nice pictures
[17:24] <Tiger^> thanks
[17:25] <malgar> Tiger^, woaaaaaaaaaaaaah
[17:26] <icez> 28km is like weee
[17:27] <Tiger^> yeah :) i wouldn't complain even if i got 20km, though :)
[17:27] <icez> what do you guys use to find altitude...gps?
[17:27] <jcoxon> Tiger^, great site
[17:27] <jcoxon> really detailed :-D
[17:27] <Tiger^> icez: yup
[17:28] <Tiger^> it'd be much harder to get accurate readings with pressure based altimeters
[17:28] <Tiger^> jcoxon: thanks :)
[17:29] <Tiger^> you can finally change the entry on UKHAS website ;P
[17:29] <jcoxon> doing it right now
[17:31] <icez> Member for: 27 secs! yay
[17:32] <jcoxon> hehe
[17:32] <Tiger^> hehe
[17:32] <jcoxon> icez, did a confirmation email come through?
[17:35] <icez> yep
[17:35] <jcoxon> rocketboy, has your email come through yet?
[17:35] <rocketboy> James - do you look after the UKHAS website?
[17:36] <jcoxon> not really
[17:36] <jcoxon> i'm an administrator
[17:36] <rocketboy> wow - mind reader
[17:36] <jcoxon> phatmonkey is in charge
[17:36] <rocketboy> I'll go look
[17:36] <jcoxon> its his server
[17:36] <jcoxon> but he has been doing exams so hasn't really been around
[17:36] <jcoxon> they finish today
[17:37] <jcoxon> though so if there is a problem i'm sure he'll fix it soon
[17:39] <rocketboy> just checked - no email as yet
[17:39] <jcoxon> how strange
[17:39] <jcoxon> how about i delete your user and you try again
[17:39] <jcoxon> considering that icez's registration just worked
[17:40] <rocketboy> In fact I registered twice (rocktboy & SteveR) - no email for either
[17:40] <rocketboy> yes thats Ok
[17:41] <jcoxon> right i've deleted both
[17:41] <jcoxon> register again and i'll watch the logs
[17:42] <rocketboy> ok I'll try again now
[17:43] <rocketboy> ok done it waiting for email
[17:43] Action: jcoxon crosses his fingers :-p
[17:44] <icez> argh
[17:44] <icez> beautiful day, ruined
[17:44] <icez> :[
[17:45] <jcoxon> rocketboy, nothing?
[17:45] <icez> everytime there's a lightning storm, the day after my boss needs me because the power went out and their old crappy servers aren't working *garr*
[17:45] <rocketboy> no - not yet (my email server can be a bit slow)
[17:46] <jcoxon> could it be being spam filtered?
[17:46] <Tiger^> jcoxon: can you change the urls to galleries?
[17:46] <Tiger^> jcoxon: http://moo.pl/~tygrys/balloon/cam-downlooking/
[17:46] <Tiger^> and cam-sidelooking
[17:46] <rocketboy> yes its possible
[17:46] <jcoxon> of course
[17:47] <rocketboy> btinternet have span filtering - but i have never known it delete anything other than true spam
[17:47] <rocketboy> there is always a first time
[17:48] <Tiger^> jcoxon: thanks
[17:48] <jcoxon> Tiger^, no probs
[17:49] <rocketboy> J - anyway have you thought any more about comms for PIII?
[17:49] <Tiger^> an Iridium phone :)
[17:49] <jcoxon> rocketboy, not really - had a busy weekend
[17:50] <jcoxon> though i like the idea of using the 868 for an uplink
[17:50] <rocketboy> I know the feeling - I seem to work on projects at the weekend more than I do at work during the week
[17:51] <jcoxon> well uni finished over the weekend
[17:51] <jcoxon> and i had to move rooms
[17:51] <jcoxon> thats all done now
[17:51] <rocketboy> yes no probs with 868 for uplink - as long as the TX is on the ground
[17:51] <jcoxon> i'm wondering if they send a received command or not
[17:52] <jcoxon> basically i'd have to totally stop it transmitting
[17:52] <rocketboy> Not sure - have to dig through the manual
[17:52] <rocketboy> yes really - like unplugging the microphone on a tranceiver
[17:53] <rocketboy> have you got the manual - I could take a look
[17:54] <jcoxon> but then i was thinking
[17:54] <jcoxon> if i stop it transmitting during flight
[17:54] <jcoxon> i can then if in range get it to start transmitting once it had landed
[17:56] <jcoxon> i guess just making sure its half-duplex would do the job
[17:56] <rocketboy> yes good idea - good for locating it when nearby. Alternativly We normally put a small piezo sounder in our rockets
[17:57] <rocketboy> yes - half duplex OK as long as there are no automatic acknolegements going back
[17:59] <jcoxon> wonder how i could test that it wasn't transmitting
[17:59] <jcoxon> is that 434mhz module avalible?
[18:00] <rocketboy> Just need a signal strength meter (wire + diode + meter) - easy to make
[18:01] <rocketboy> Sure - I have a couple of 434MHz modules
[18:01] <jcoxon> cool
[18:01] <jcoxon> i'm not sure when i'm actually going to launch
[18:02] <jcoxon> i'm in no hurry so i'm going to wait for the cambridge guys to sort out their insurance issues
[18:03] <rocketboy> IC - how did you want to use the modules - I could rig up a stand alone unit like we use on rocketry - or you could integrate with your system
[18:03] <jcoxon> hmmmm, what are its capabilities
[18:03] <jcoxon> would it just be a beacon or can it send data?
[18:03] <rocketboy> for example - you could pulse the 434 transmitter when a sucessful 868 command is recieved
[18:05] <jcoxon> (any sign of that email?)
[18:05] <rocketboy> I need some time to sort out the data - a beacon is easy (actually over the weekend I already programmed one to sned out PegasusIII in morse code.)
[18:05] <jcoxon> :-D
[18:05] <jcoxon> i assume as a beacon it would be directional
[18:06] <jcoxon> by varying our recieving antenna we could work out its direction
[18:06] <rocketboy> no email as yet (or any other email - and since I get a spam email about every 10mins that is unusual)
[18:07] <Tiger^> jcoxon: beacons are usually omnidirectional
[18:07] <rocketboy> Oh yes - location is no problem - we do it for rockets all the time - mind you this would probably be stretching the system to its limit.
[18:07] <Tiger^> jcoxon: and you need two directional antennas for radio direction finding
[18:07] <jcoxon> rocketboy, but we would have the mobile phone as well
[18:07] <jcoxon> which is a reliable system
[18:08] <jcoxon> and on landing 868mhz
[18:08] <jcoxon> rocketboy, lets go for a 434mhz beacon
[18:08] <jcoxon> no need for data right now
[18:08] <rocketboy> yes - we just use a 1/4 wave whip on the TX (omni) and high gain yagi on the RX - just speep round with the yagi and the TX is wherever the strongest signal is recived
[18:09] <jcoxon> cool
[18:09] <jcoxon> i can provide a small voltage from a GPIO to the module which could act as a heart beat
[18:09] <jcoxon> so we no that the flight computer is functioning
[18:09] <jcoxon> know*
[18:10] <jcoxon> is that possible?
[18:10] <jcoxon> (but also if this pulse stops then it still transmits as a beacon
[18:10] <jcoxon> )
[18:12] <rocketboy> Yes - just need 25mA to power the TX + a data line to change the TX frequency slightly. Normally we turn the TX on for 10sec every minute - as this saves power - and modulate the TX with an easy to identify signal (usually morse code) at the beginning of the 10secs.
[18:13] <rocketboy> we use the 10sec burst to allow us time to swing the yagi raound
[18:13] <rocketboy> round
[18:14] <rocketboy> actually this is the way the US baloonists did it before GPS
[18:15] <jcoxon> oh cool
[18:15] <rocketboy> How much power have you to spare?
[18:15] <jcoxon> not actually sure
[18:15] <jcoxon> but definitly enough
[18:17] <rocketboy> OK - I would suggest turning the transmitter on and off occasionaly anyway - as you may find that the 434MHz signal interfeers with the 868MHz system when its transmitting (2 x 434 = 868)
[18:18] <jcoxon> that can be done with a GPIO
[18:18] <rocketboy> That way - you save power, interfeer les with people on the ground, stop any probs with the 868 system and make the signal easy to identify.
[18:18] <rocketboy> yes - you may even be able to power it from the GPIO if it can source 25Ma
[18:19] <jcoxon> it probably can
[18:19] <jcoxon> do i also need a data line?
[18:19] <rocketboy> if not use the GPIO to turn on a FET that is used to opwer the TX
[18:19] <rocketboy> yes a dat line is usefull to help modulate the signal (not essential though)
[18:20] <rocketboy> opwer = power
[18:21] <jcoxon> hmmm how fast would it need to be?
[18:21] <jcoxon> i can probably get a ttl serial line
[18:21] <jcoxon> if not i'd have to sort of bit bash a gpio
[18:22] <rocketboy> quite slow - I usually use morse - about a 100mS bit rate =:-)
[18:23] <rocketboy> I can dig out a module tonight and wire it up to an antenna and pop it in the post
[18:23] <jcoxon> :-)
[18:23] <jcoxon> that would be great
[18:25] <jcoxon> i'm just wondering
[18:25] <jcoxon> is it worth just using a self contained module
[18:25] <jcoxon> i have space
[18:25] <jcoxon> and it won't go wrong
[18:27] <rocketboy> Well actually I was thinking that (didn't want to put you off though) - I think is better to use tried and tested technology - rather than risk putting somthing together in a rush at the last mo.
[18:28] <rocketboy> It would be good to get a back channel though - what about 2 transmitters on different 434MHz frequencies?
[18:30] <jcoxon> that could be a good idea
[18:30] <jcoxon> i'm also thinking though that i'm relatively happy with my present gumstix set up
[18:31] <rocketboy> Yes that sounds wise.
[18:31] <jcoxon> lets have it as a seperate module
[18:31] <jcoxon> if it works well then we can intergrate one for Peg IV
[18:32] <rocketboy> OK
[18:33] <rocketboy> I'll get my soldering iron out - I'll do some low temp and low pressure testing before I sned it.
[18:33] <rocketboy> sned = send
[18:33] <jcoxon> cool
[18:33] <jcoxon> i'll email you my address
[18:33] <jcoxon> thanks rocketboy for all this
[18:33] <rocketboy> tnx
[18:34] <rocketboy> no probs - happy to help out - its real intseresting
[18:35] <rocketboy> I need to sort out a second receive system - I have one receiver and yagi - I need to get another setup - I expect i can borrow one from one of my rocket mates.
[18:36] <jcoxon> cool
[18:37] <jcoxon> right i'll be back later on this evening - got some stuff to sort out
[18:37] <rocketboy> on another topic - wher did PEGI come down? - I know its on your website but Google maps crashes my PC
[18:38] <rocketboy> oK - talk to you then
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[21:00] <phatmonkey> wow
[21:00] <phatmonkey> loadsa people
[21:02] <phatmonkey> <Bry4nt> lol!
[21:02] <phatmonkey> <Kooky3> stop, drop, and lol!
[21:02] <phatmonkey> hee hee, kooky's fun
[21:31] <rocketboy> Say phatmonkey - are you the sysop for the UKHAS webserver?
[21:31] <phatmonkey> yes
[21:32] <rocketboy> ah - I registered (3 times now) and havn't got a confirmation email - can you check if they are going out - or possibly they are being span filtered by Btinternet
[21:36] <phatmonkey> pm me your email address
[21:36] <phatmonkey> don't put it in here, sigh, it's logged
[21:36] <phatmonkey> it's the same mail server i use for my mail, can't be much wrong with it!
[21:37] <phatmonkey> might be getting rejected or something
[21:38] <rocketboy> humm won't let me pm you as i'm not a registered user - can you pm me?
[21:39] <phatmonkey> just give me your domain
[21:39] <phatmonkey> you getting my pms?
[21:39] <rocketboy> yep -replied
[21:40] <phatmonkey> http://www.ukhas.org.uk/user/15
[21:40] <rocketboy> domain is btinternet.com
[21:40] <phatmonkey> according to the site you're registered
[21:40] <phatmonkey> hmm, haven't received anything
[21:40] <phatmonkey> ok, thanks
[21:40] <phatmonkey> just want something to grep the logs on
[21:40] <phatmonkey> steve@
[21:41] <rocketboy> - humm didn't get the email - no password - can you pm me the password (i can get your pms
[21:41] <phatmonkey> sent successfully
[21:41] <phatmonkey> silly freenode
[21:42] <rocketboy> then it must be being spam filtered - I'll log on to webmail and see if I can find it (I normally use snmp)
[21:42] <phatmonkey> your password's password
[21:42] <phatmonkey> change it quick ;)
[21:42] <rocketboy> ok
[21:42] <phatmonkey> The specified passwords do not match.
[21:43] <phatmonkey> argh, wait, one sec
[21:43] <phatmonkey> looks like i can't type password
[21:43] <phatmonkey> there, fixed
[21:45] <rocketboy> ok registered and set new password
[21:45] <phatmonkey> great
[21:46] <phatmonkey> i might fix up a design tomorrow
[21:46] <phatmonkey> either colour up the one we have
[21:46] <phatmonkey> or nab some stuff from http://opensourcetemplates.org/
[21:50] <rocketboy> nah - its fine as it is
[21:55] <rocketboy> is it the same username/password for the wiki?
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[21:59] <macfreak4> whoa
[21:59] <macfreak4> lots of ppl
[22:00] <macfreak4> 10
[22:02] <Tiger^> hi macfreak4
[22:02] <macfreak4> heya
[22:03] <Tiger^> did you see my site about the flight? ;>
[22:03] <macfreak4> no
[22:03] <macfreak4> where?
[22:03] <Tiger^> cygnus.moo.pl
[22:03] <macfreak4> sweet
[22:03] <macfreak4> *is looking*
[22:05] <macfreak4> hey ur specs look similar to mine...
[22:05] <Tiger^> :)
[22:05] <macfreak4> i calculated a 17 ft/s fall rate, and a weight of 8 lbs
[22:05] <macfreak4> urs was 18 f/s, 6 lbs
[22:05] <macfreak4> nice pix, tho
[22:05] <macfreak4> :D
[22:06] <Tiger^> thanks ;>
[22:06] <macfreak4> ooh got a sparc at home, eh?
[22:06] <phatmonkey> rocketboy, you need to register seperately for the wiki
[22:07] <Tiger^> yeah, it's an old Ultra
[22:07] <phatmonkey> oh guys, i need a parachute for my glider, any suggestions?
[22:07] <phatmonkey> particularly getting them in the UK
[22:08] <phatmonkey> i'm sick of getting stuff from abroad, all these taxes are adding up
[22:08] <macfreak4> i got mine on ebay for 30 bucks
[22:08] <macfreak4> 66" ripstop nylon
[22:08] <macfreak4> white
[22:10] <macfreak4> Tiger^: this is really cool, your electronics are so neat
[22:10] <macfreak4> pcbs for everything
[22:10] <macfreak4> that's awesome
[22:10] <Tiger^> thanks :)
[22:13] <phatmonkey> hmm, james told me where he got his from
[22:13] <phatmonkey> forgotten what it was now
[22:13] <Tiger^> it's on his site
[22:13] <Tiger^> rockets-things.co.uk or something like that
[22:15] <phatmonkey> ah right, ok
[22:27] <macfreak4> cya
[22:27] <macfreak4> switching over to ubuntu...
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[22:29] <jcoxon> evening all
[22:29] <jcoxon> gosh #highaltitude is gaining in popularity
[22:29] <Tiger^> yeah
[22:31] <jcoxon> tis a good community thats forming
[22:31] <jcoxon> :-)
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[22:37] <phatmonkey> jcoxon, are the parachutes from rocket-things good?
[22:37] <phatmonkey> i've no idea what size to get. hell, i don't even know how heavy my glider is going to be
[22:39] <jcoxon> you can't really get one till you know the weight
[22:39] <jcoxon> they've done for me :-)
[22:40] <jcoxon> oooo phatmonkey did you put icez's pics on the server?
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[22:40] <phatmonkey> hazah, no
[22:40] <icez> *cries*
[22:40] <icez> :P
[22:41] <phatmonkey> i shall find a special place
[22:41] <phatmonkey> wjere#s the page again'?
[22:41] <phatmonkey> wow, gg fingers
[22:41] <icez> http://icez.org:81/pics/ukhas/
[22:41] <phatmonkey> ta
[22:42] <icez> hey, do you guys ever use CAD on linux?:/
[22:42] <icez> seems i can't find any that works nicely:[
[22:43] <phatmonkey> http://www.ukhas.org.uk/logos/
[22:43] <phatmonkey> they're all in there
[22:43] <phatmonkey> hhzzzrr
[22:43] <phatmonkey> i'll turn on file listing for that dir
[22:44] <icez> it's so special, it's forbidden!
[22:44] <icez> :)
[22:44] <phatmonkey> yep :P
[22:44] <phatmonkey> just plug in the file names and they'll pop up
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[22:46] <phatmonkey> yay, welcome
[22:46] <phatmonkey> this be freddie
[22:46] <jcoxon> wow 12 people
[22:46] <phatmonkey> hardware and software genius
[22:46] <jcoxon> okay 11 and zeus
[22:47] <jcoxon> (and don't you dare bring in kooky
[22:47] <jcoxon> )
[22:47] <phatmonkey> :D
[22:49] <jcoxon> hmmmm i think i might attempt a launch early next week
[22:50] <Tiger^> great
[22:50] <phatmonkey> last weekend... next weekend... next week... it's starting to sound like windows vista
[22:50] <jcoxon> hehe
[22:50] <jcoxon> i'm in no hurry
[22:50] <phatmonkey> yeah, you shouldn't hurry
[22:50] <jcoxon> not going to lose this one :-D
[22:50] <phatmonkey> better to be late than lost
[22:50] <phatmonkey> ... yeah
[22:51] <jcoxon> and also the better the weather conditions the bigger the balloon i'll stick on it
[22:51] <phatmonkey> you still getting balloons from the antarctica guys?
[22:51] <jcoxon> nope
[22:51] <jcoxon> i have ebay balloons
[22:51] <jcoxon> i probably could get some more
[22:52] <jcoxon> though i might borrow one of the cambridge balloons - they have got a few
[22:52] <jcoxon> i've stuck the icon in
[22:53] <Ed_Moore> yo
[22:53] <jcoxon> hey E
[22:53] <jcoxon> Ed_Moore, *
[22:53] <jcoxon> stupid tab completition
[22:53] <Ed_Moore> lol
[22:53] <phatmonkey> E is quite a nice nickname
[22:54] <phatmonkey> yo E, yo J
[22:54] <Ed_Moore> exciting news about peg 3
[22:54] <Ed_Moore> i'm in cam on the 7th
[22:54] <Ed_Moore> engineering open day
[22:54] <Ed_Moore> ok
[22:54] <jcoxon> oh cool
[22:54] <Ed_Moore> i can be E
[22:54] <Ed_Moore> J, and P
[22:54] <Ed_Moore> PM sounds a bit officious, in the UK anyway
[22:55] <jcoxon> hehe
[22:55] <phatmonkey> pah
[22:56] <Ed_Moore> and my mrs suffers from PM
[22:56] <Ed_Moore> which is a good time to hude in the shed and do balloons
[22:56] <Ed_Moore> hide*
[22:57] <jcoxon> hehe
[22:58] <phatmonkey> lol
[22:58] <jcoxon> hehe my picture on flickr has had 23374 views
[22:58] <phatmonkey> that is really insane
[22:59] <Ed_Moore> the balloon?
[22:59] <jcoxon> Tiger^, perhaps you should stick some of your pictures on the highaltitude flickr
[22:59] <jcoxon> http://www.flickr.com/photos/29158271@N00/153200550/
[23:01] <phatmonkey> http://www.ukhas.org.uk/logos/
[23:01] <phatmonkey> whoops, almost forgot about that
[23:02] <Tiger^> jcoxon: i'll try
[23:02] <Tiger^> but i'm not familiar with flickr
[23:02] <Ed_Moore> rockoloons would be a really good idea
[23:02] <Ed_Moore> but 79km is a mission and a half
[23:03] <jcoxon> rockoons would require a sea launch methinks
[23:03] <Ed_Moore> i wonder what's the smallest payload that could achive altitudes of that order
[23:03] <Ed_Moore> gravity is 1% less at 32km above sea level, so we can use that in our favour :)
[23:05] <jcoxon> the big thing in our favour would be the reduction in drag
[23:05] <Ed_Moore> how much drag is there on a rocket anyway?
[23:05] <phatmonkey> there's barely any air up there, that is the big thing
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[23:06] <phatmonkey> *yawn*
[23:07] <phatmonkey> i'm glad exams are over
[23:07] <phatmonkey> i need to go and do some coding in bed, sends me to sleep quite well
[23:07] <Ed_Moore> because drag is but drag is proportional to frontal area
[23:07] <Ed_Moore> and there's really naff all frontal area on a rocket in comparison to other things
[23:07] <Ed_Moore> you'd have to have some sort of gimballed motor to achive stable flight as the fins would become useless
[23:08] <phatmonkey> we shall have to experiment with little model rockets!
[23:09] <Ed_Moore> :)
[23:09] <phatmonkey> ooh, we could make a high altitude glider rocket
[23:09] <jcoxon> something perhaps for the future
[23:09] <Ed_Moore> high altitude glider rocket?
[23:09] <Ed_Moore> space ship 1 :)
[23:10] <Ed_Moore> lol, j, the voice or reason
[23:10] <Ed_Moore> of*
[23:10] <jcoxon> well i've been looking into insurance and risk malarky for the last couple of days
[23:11] <Ed_Moore> any enlightenment?
[23:11] <jcoxon> i've come to the conclusion that anything more advanced of a parachute/payload of 2kg
[23:11] <jcoxon> requires a sea launch
[23:11] <jcoxon> where there are no people to "potentially" land on
[23:11] <Ed_Moore> how 'sea' does 'sea' have to be?
[23:11] <jcoxon> and no bloody rules
[23:11] <Ed_Moore> such that it doesn't land on land?
[23:11] <jcoxon> international waters
[23:11] <Ed_Moore> or maybe sea on sea
[23:11] <jcoxon> so i don't have to fight with UK laws
[23:12] <Ed_Moore> yeah
[23:12] <Ed_Moore> ham at last
[23:12] <Ed_Moore> still, 60miles pick ups becaome something else altogether on a boat
[23:12] <Ed_Moore> see if you can get a grant for a research vessel
[23:12] <jcoxon> hehe
[23:12] <jcoxon> i'll work on it
[23:12] <jcoxon> or we can go to a desert/polar region
[23:13] <Ed_Moore> aren't you going to niger soon?
[23:13] <jcoxon> yup
[23:13] <jcoxon> in a months time i'll be nearly there
[23:13] <Ed_Moore> it's alright for some
[23:13] <jcoxon> hehe - theses are big payloads we are launching
[23:13] <jcoxon> up to 100kg
[23:14] <Ed_Moore> how big is big?
[23:14] <Ed_Moore> jesus
[23:14] <phatmonkey> holy awesomeness
[23:14] <Ed_Moore> that must be a helluva balloon
[23:14] <rocketboy> thats man sized ;-)
[23:14] <Ed_Moore> rocketboy, i like your thinking
[23:14] <Ed_Moore> wrap up warm, take some breathing aparatus, and up you go
[23:14] <rocketboy> what happened to quinetic 1
[23:14] <rocketboy> or howver its spelt
[23:15] <Ed_Moore> have you guys seen the video of the skydiver in the 60s?
[23:15] <phatmonkey> ... and a space suit
[23:15] <Ed_Moore> went to about 90,000feet in a balloon, in a space suit, then jumped off
[23:15] <phatmonkey> exploding people isn't funny
[23:15] <phatmonkey> yeah
[23:15] <rocketboy> one of them died doint that
[23:15] <Ed_Moore> they went above the speed of sound
[23:15] <phatmonkey> http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=397
[23:15] <Ed_Moore> well, the sea level speed of sound :)
[23:15] <jcoxon> http://www.cnes.fr/html/_107_3645_.php
[23:16] <Ed_Moore> wow
[23:16] <Ed_Moore> very pretty
[23:17] <Ed_Moore> yeah i'm not sure what happened to the qinetic thing
[23:17] <Ed_Moore> my physics teacher who only weeks before was working on that team at qinetic said they were all muppets and it was going to fail anyway
[23:17] <Ed_Moore> and i think they just abadoned the whole thing
[23:18] <Ed_Moore> wasn't it meant to be visible across the whole of the south of england?
[23:18] <rocketboy> http://www.qinetiq1.com/new.html
[23:18] <rocketboy> yes think so
[23:19] <rocketboy> one of the rocket guys I know worked on their radio comms
[23:20] <Ed_Moore> would have been awesome
[23:20] <Ed_Moore> right, 5am start tomorrow
[23:20] <Ed_Moore> must get some sleep
[23:20] <jcoxon> night Ed_Moore
[23:20] <rocketboy> they also had some large winged glider they were going to launch
[23:22] <rocketboy> gotta go 2
[23:22] <rocketboy> bye
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[23:51] <jcoxon> night all
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