highaltitude.log.20060525

[00:54] <Tiger^> yeah
[00:55] <Tiger^> same problem
[00:55] <Tiger^> i've made it according to: http://www.qsl.net/wb3gck/jpole.htm this time
[00:56] <Tiger^> i don't know what's going on
[00:56] <Tiger^> i mean, it's unusual for the trx to work better without an antenna
[00:57] <Tiger^> even a piece of wire should perform the same, if not better than without an ant.
[00:58] <macfreak4> yea
[00:59] <macfreak4> i g2g
[00:59] <macfreak4> back in a while
[01:33] <macfreak4> bak
[02:50] <defy_> hey macfreak4 :) got your permission yet?
[02:55] <macfreak4> not yet
[02:55] <macfreak4> but it's really easy
[02:55] <macfreak4> they can issue a NOTAM in 3 days
[02:55] <macfreak4> I'll call next week
[02:55] <macfreak4> b/c i'm sure the new launch site is far enough away to not be a problem
[02:57] <defy_> awesome
[02:58] <defy_> oh yea, so the school was too close to the airport?
[02:58] <defy_> i got gps tracking working in google earth, its pretty neat
[02:59] <macfreak4> aww
[02:59] <macfreak4> i was going to use google earth
[02:59] <defy_> hehe
[02:59] <macfreak4> but since i'll be on the road tracking it, i wont have an internet connectino
[02:59] <defy_> i got it connecting to gpsd on the gumstix over wireless
[02:59] <macfreak4> so google earth wouldn't work
[02:59] <macfreak4> oh
[02:59] <defy_> well you can cache maps
[02:59] <defy_> and use it in offline mode (i think thats only the plus version)
[02:59] <defy_> but i've seen epopel use google earth for 4000 mile road trips where they are completely offline
[02:59] <macfreak4> GPS--->Gumstix=====wireless=====>PC?
[03:00] <defy_> yeah
[03:00] <macfreak4> oh really?
[03:00] <macfreak4> i should try...
[03:00] <macfreak4> i'll be back
[03:00] <macfreak4> *disconnecting ethernet cable*
[03:00] <defy_> :)
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[03:03] <_macfreak4_> oh well
[03:03] <_macfreak4_> but the resolution on google earth is very poor w/o an internet connection
[03:03] <_macfreak4_> so i increased the cache
[03:03] <_macfreak4_> and i'll try to download most of my state and some surrounding states...
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[03:04] <macfreak4> there
[03:04] <defy_> yea, I'm using overlays for my area
[03:04] <macfreak4> how's that work?
[03:05] <defy_> I download a detailed image of the area I want from the nz govternments map server
[03:05] <defy_> and then overlay it into google
[03:05] <defy_> http://defy.net/ge/overlay.kml
[03:06] <macfreak4> yea but that's going to require an active internet connection, right?
[03:06] <macfreak4> that image is on the web
[03:06] <macfreak4> i suppose Earth caches it
[03:06] <macfreak4> :/
[03:06] <macfreak4> btw http://defy.net/overlay.png
[03:06] <macfreak4> woops
[03:06] <macfreak4> here's where i'm launching from: http://www.biology.wustl.edu/tyson/
[03:07] <defy_> well apartently there is an offline cache option
[03:07] <defy_> i just registered earth plus for a year for 20 bucks, lets see what useless options i just bought
[03:08] <macfreak4> can you display roads on Earth?
[03:08] <defy_> yea
[03:09] <macfreak4> oh never mind
[03:09] <macfreak4> hehe
[03:09] <macfreak4> well gps is one
[03:11] <macfreak4> is there a way to command google Earth to cache a certain area at a certain detail level?
[03:11] <defy_> now I just need to figure out how to make the kml draw a line for every gps refresh
[03:11] <defy_> not too sure, it will cache whatever you look at last
[03:11] <macfreak4> oh
[03:11] <defy_> so i've just bumped the cache up to 2gb
[03:11] <macfreak4> hmm
[03:11] <macfreak4> yea me too
[03:12] <macfreak4> i'm going to bring along Street Atlas USA just in case it doesn't cache something important
[03:12] <defy_> for ballooning, once you have your area you probably wouldnt change it much anyway, since you can zoom out nicely to about 50,000 feet and see everything
[03:12] <defy_> oh you're in the states aren't you
[03:12] <macfreak4> like if the balloon drifts halfway across the continent
[03:12] <macfreak4> ya
[03:12] <defy_> it should have lots of road info for you
[03:12] <macfreak4> well if it's cached :P
[03:12] <defy_> yea
[03:12] <defy_> the nz road info is pretty iffy
[03:12] <macfreak4> oh
[03:12] <macfreak4> :(
[03:13] <defy_> yea it would be nice if the cache system told you exactly whats cached
[03:13] <defy_> but i have read that you can cache an area
[03:13] <defy_> then save the cache file somewhere else
[03:13] <macfreak4> oh really
[03:13] <macfreak4> i'll google that...
[03:13] <defy_> then cache another area, and save it
[03:13] <defy_> and then you can swap out the files when you're offline
[03:13] <defy_> lol
[03:14] <macfreak4> haha
[03:14] <macfreak4> just read that as you said it
[03:14] <macfreak4> :P
[03:14] <macfreak4> "There is also a tip that you can save your cache(s) under different files and then swap them out to look at different areas"
[03:15] <defy_> hehe
[03:16] <defy_> yea
[03:16] <defy_> seems like I can cache quite a lot of area
[03:16] <defy_> now i just need to make a tour that slowly flys over the entire country caching the whole thing
[03:17] <macfreak4> so with KML you can add dots to the map with lat/lon/alt data, right?
[03:17] <macfreak4> and this is hosted on a web server
[03:18] <macfreak4> ?
[03:19] <defy_> yeah
[03:19] <macfreak4> i'll have to try that out...
[03:19] <macfreak4> after finals
[03:20] <macfreak4> (is attempting to study)
[03:20] <defy_> you have one kml which you load locally into google earth, which refreshes another kml from a webserver running off the gumstix (or whatever flight computer you're using)
[03:20] <defy_> I'm running a webserver on the gumstix with a cgi that gets the info from gpsd and outputs in kml format
[03:20] <defy_> lol
[03:20] <macfreak4> oh
[03:20] <defy_> cant study while on irc ;)
[03:20] <macfreak4> yeah
[03:20] <macfreak4> lol
[03:20] <macfreak4> but how's that going to work long range?
[03:21] <macfreak4> i was going to decode the RTTY data and run a local webserver on the chase computer and just load the KML on the localhost
[03:21] <macfreak4> it'd be like http://localhost/thing.kml
[03:22] <defy_> that would do it :)
[03:22] <defy_> i was surprised at how easy it was
[03:22] <defy_> it'll even do altitude in full 3d
[03:22] <macfreak4> lol this is going to be crazy -- i'm setting up my desktop, plus dual 15" monitors, plus the 3-foot antenna and UHF receiver in my parents' minivan and we're going to chase the balloon down the highway
[03:22] <macfreak4> its going to be soo fun
[03:22] <defy_> and you can assign it any icon you want, so a little picture of a balloon, hehe
[03:22] <macfreak4> OOOH
[03:22] <defy_> haha awesome
[03:23] <macfreak4> Live pictures from the balloon can be icons!
[03:23] <macfreak4> sweet
[03:23] <macfreak4> this is amazing
[03:23] <defy_> haha
[03:23] <defy_> now that would be awesome
[03:23] <defy_> i havent figured out how to make it draw a line yet
[03:23] <defy_> but I'm sure i will :P
[03:23] <macfreak4> hehe
[03:23] <macfreak4> let me know when you do :D
[03:23] <defy_> i think i need to learn how to make paths in kml
[03:24] <defy_> will do
[03:24] <defy_> ill throw all the kml examples online once im done
[03:28] <defy_> heh actually, if I overlay all of the areas I want I wont need the cache
[03:28] <defy_> but there wont be any road data...spose that would be nice to have in there
[03:45] <macfreak4> ya
[03:45] <macfreak4> :)
[03:47] <macfreak4> this is a really nifty program
[03:48] <macfreak4> just wish it had better offline options
[03:48] <macfreak4> so that i can be sure
[03:52] <defy_> I just ran a tour over my area to cache it all
[03:52] <defy_> i gotta knock myself offline now and see how well it works, brb :D
[03:55] <macfreak4> launch site coordinates: lat=38.5155653783, lon=-90.5525265811
[03:56] <macfreak4> kk
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[03:56] <defy> yea, that works fine
[03:56] <defy> it brings up a msg about working offline
[03:56] <macfreak4> wow
[03:56] <macfreak4> that was quick
[03:56] <macfreak4> lol
[03:56] <defy> but everything that was cached worked
[03:57] <macfreak4> type this into Directions in Google Earth: "Launch Site" lat=38.5260095291, lon=-90.5615270719
[03:57] <defy> 38.5260095291, -90.5615270719 should work in fly to...
[03:57] <defy> i gotta restart google so it gets back online
[03:57] <macfreak4> kk
[03:57] <defy> thats just a big grey blur right now
[03:58] <macfreak4> lol
[03:58] <defy> launch site?
[03:58] <macfreak4> yea
[03:58] <macfreak4> or somewhere near there
[03:58] <defy> ooo mountains, fun :P
[03:59] <macfreak4> yeah
[03:59] <macfreak4> they're heavily wooded
[03:59] <macfreak4> what about your coordinates:
[03:59] <macfreak4> *?
[04:00] <defy> wow that'll look cool if you could get a little balloon icon floating through those mountains
[04:00] <macfreak4> :)
[04:00] <macfreak4> ya
[04:00] <macfreak4> can you specify the size of the icon in KML?
[04:00] <defy> -36.788613,174.682128
[04:00] <defy> I think so yeah
[04:01] <defy> yea, you definitely can
[04:01] <macfreak4> hehe im flying
[04:01] <macfreak4> over the pacific
[04:01] <macfreak4> woo
[04:01] <macfreak4> and landing
[04:01] <defy> hehe
[04:01] <macfreak4> kk
[04:01] <macfreak4> ya
[04:01] <macfreak4> otherwise they'll be kinda big
[04:01] <defy> if you load that overlay you should get a better view
[04:01] <macfreak4> hrm yeah this is REALLY blurry
[04:02] <defy> yea google have added hardly any detailed maps of nz
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[04:05] <macfreak4> loading...
[04:05] <macfreak4> my internet fluked
[04:06] <macfreak4> damn
[04:06] <macfreak4> taking a long time
[04:07] <macfreak4> ah
[04:07] <macfreak4> still not very clear
[04:07] <macfreak4> you're going to need a lot of images, too
[04:07] <defy> yea
[04:08] <defy> I'll probably just use google earth to make a nice 3d track of the entire launch
[04:08] <defy> I have other mapping software with real roads which I'll probably use for the real tracking
[04:08] <macfreak4> o ok
[04:09] <defy> hrm
[04:09] <macfreak4> i might have google and street atlas usa running on the two monitors simultaneously, with google providing a nice 3D diagram of the location of the balloon and the other for navigation
[04:09] <defy> the polygons in google earth might be useful for showing signal strength range
[04:09] <defy> cool
[04:10] <defy> yea i have an abundance of laptops so both is always an option, hehe
[04:10] <macfreak4> lol
[04:10] <defy> I like your idea better about doing all of the kml local
[04:10] <defy> and just grabbing gps data from the actual unit
[04:10] <defy> will save on bandwidth and cpu load
[04:11] <macfreak4> yea i'll probably use Apache and assign a subdirectory for the KML data, which Google will load
[04:11] <defy> sweet
[04:11] <defy> then just rewrite the kml as gps data is updated
[04:11] <defy> easy as
[04:11] <macfreak4> ...a script
[04:11] <macfreak4> :D
[04:12] <macfreak4> or a simple program
[04:12] <defy> yea
[04:13] <macfreak4> oh my gosh
[04:14] <macfreak4> ppl keep linking to porn on my guestbook
[04:14] <defy> haha
[04:14] <macfreak4> so dumb
[04:15] <macfreak4> i have to keep removing it
[04:16] <macfreak4> maybe it's my black theme or something that attracts them
[04:20] <defy> http://defy.net/ge/balloon.kml
[04:21] <defy> thats about the view i should get above nz at 100,000 feet
[04:21] <defy> it'll be interesting to see how similar the actual images are
[04:22] <defy> its weird zooming way out and seeing just how small 100,000 feet is compared to the size of the earth
[04:23] <macfreak4> ya i was just playing around w/ that too
[04:23] <macfreak4> but google doesn't do the sky properly
[04:23] <macfreak4> the sky should look black around 90,000 ft
[04:23] <macfreak4> instead it looks blue like from the ground
[04:23] <macfreak4> kinda ruins it
[04:24] <defy> yea
[04:24] <defy> it gets black at about 80m in google
[04:25] <macfreak4> ya
[04:25] <macfreak4> which is too high
[04:26] <macfreak4> wow it's late
[04:30] <macfreak4> hehe just took a snapshot from 100,000 ft and photoshopped it to have a black sky
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[16:41] <HenryHallam> Tiger, did you have any luck with that FBUS stuff?
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[17:33] <HenryHallam> afternoon
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[18:02] <Ed_Moore> hey all
[18:10] <Ed_Moore> I had a wee idea: it would be great to send balloons up, for example, get a fantastic picture of a solar eclipse above the earth
[18:39] <HenryHallam> hm, yes
[18:40] <HenryHallam> have you seen the one of the 1999 eclipse taken from Mir?
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[19:14] <icez> wouldnt that be hard?
[19:14] <icez> to move a balloon in the direction of the sun=/
[19:30] <HenryHallam> I was thinking of a picture of the ground
[19:30] <HenryHallam> http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap990830.html
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[19:36] <phatmonkey> ooh, lots of people
[19:36] <HenryHallam> hi
[19:36] <phatmonkey> why hello there
[19:36] <phatmonkey> people replying too!
[19:36] <phatmonkey> shocking
[19:37] <icez> it's amazing
[19:37] <HenryHallam> wherever will it end?
[19:57] <phatmonkey> http://www.flickr.com/groups/highaltitude/
[19:57] <phatmonkey> add photos!!!!
[20:01] <HenryHallam> wilco
[20:02] <HenryHallam> how do I add a photo to the group pool?
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[20:03] <HenryHallam> Hi James
[20:03] <jcoxon> wow
[20:03] <jcoxon> lots of people
[20:03] <jcoxon> hey all
[20:04] <jcoxon> hey HenryHallam
[20:04] <HenryHallam> your phone decided to start working, which is good news
[20:04] <HenryHallam> and I've nearly finished the tracker PCB
[20:04] <jcoxon> excellent
[20:04] <jcoxon> i'm debating if i should get the aerocomm radio modem developers kit
[20:04] <jcoxon> ...
[20:05] <jcoxon> hey phatmonkey
[20:05] <jcoxon> long time no see
[20:05] <phatmonkey> hey
[20:05] <phatmonkey> yeah, right in the middle of exams
[20:05] <phatmonkey> i'm surprised there are so many people too
[20:05] <phatmonkey> hehe
[20:05] <phatmonkey> HenryHallam: you need to become a member, add it to you photostream, join the group, then you can add it to it
[20:05] <jcoxon> oh its been steadly growing
[20:06] <phatmonkey> jcoxon, http://www.flickr.com/groups/highaltitude/
[20:06] <HenryHallam> I've done the first three
[20:06] <jcoxon> how are the gcses going?
[20:06] <jcoxon> yeah i'm on it right now
[20:06] <phatmonkey> quite good actually
[20:06] <jcoxon> cool
[20:06] <phatmonkey> nice to add all our photos in one place!
[20:06] <jcoxon> my sister is doing them now as well
[20:06] <phatmonkey> ah right
[20:06] <phatmonkey> screwed up a couple of exams
[20:07] <phatmonkey> not really a big deal
[20:07] <jcoxon> oh well
[20:07] <jcoxon> i wouldn't worry
[20:07] <jcoxon> i doubt your are as screwed as i am for my exams
[20:07] <jcoxon> hehe
[20:07] <phatmonkey> yikes
[20:07] <phatmonkey> spend less time making balloons ;)
[20:07] <jcoxon> i see Ed_Moore was on
[20:08] <jcoxon> hehe
[20:08] <HenryHallam> but I prefer PCB routing to revision....
[20:08] <jcoxon> nah you got to have a break occasionally
[20:08] <jcoxon> hehe
[20:11] <phatmonkey> HenryHallam, http://www.flickr.com/photos/22212146@N00/153188339/
[20:11] <phatmonkey> at the top of the photo
[20:11] <phatmonkey> there will be a send to group button
[20:12] <phatmonkey> that's how you add it
[20:12] <phatmonkey> got, I <3 flickr
[20:12] <phatmonkey> *god
[20:12] <HenryHallam> ah, thanks
[20:16] <phatmonkey> jcoxon, add your pegasus piccies!
[20:16] <jcoxon> there are a lot!
[20:17] <phatmonkey> there are uploaders available
[20:17] <jcoxon> okay
[20:17] <jcoxon> you asked for it!
[20:17] <phatmonkey> remember to add tags
[20:17] <phatmonkey> LD
[20:17] <phatmonkey> * :D
[20:17] <phatmonkey> (You have a limit of
[20:17] <phatmonkey> 20 MB per month.)
[20:17] <phatmonkey> hmm
[20:17] <phatmonkey> only the good ones :P
[20:18] <jcoxon> well perhaps peg III developement ones
[20:18] <jcoxon> and a few peg I sideways cam
[20:18] <phatmonkey> http://www.flickr.com/tools/
[20:18] <phatmonkey> yeah
[20:18] <phatmonkey> iphoto uploader is niiiiice
[20:18] <phatmonkey> only useful if you use iphoto i guess
[20:18] <phatmonkey> hehe
[20:18] <jcoxon> not a fan of iphoto
[20:18] <jcoxon> don't think i even have it installed
[20:20] <phatmonkey> my ibooks all a little borked up at the moment
[20:20] <jcoxon> oh
[20:20] <phatmonkey> i needed to empty it for exams - i type some of them
[20:20] <jcoxon> oh right
[20:20] <phatmonkey> slow writing... score!
[20:20] <phatmonkey> i type far too fast, very useful
[20:20] <jcoxon> hehe
[20:20] <jcoxon> i don't do any of my work on computer
[20:21] <jcoxon> write it all
[20:21] <HenryHallam> do you have a doctor's handwriting yet?
[20:21] <jcoxon> oh yes
[20:21] <jcoxon> its awful
[20:26] <jcoxon> hmmm it reflips my pictures round
[20:26] <jcoxon> grrrrr
[20:27] <phatmonkey> hehe
[20:27] <phatmonkey> it has batch editing features
[20:31] <phatmonkey> jcoxon, you can group tags with quotes
[20:31] <jcoxon> how do i add them to high altitude?
[20:31] <jcoxon> oooo
[20:31] <phatmonkey> http://www.flickr.com/photos/29158271@N00/153200550/ - "high altitude" instead of high altitude
[20:31] <phatmonkey> at the top of the pic
[20:31] <phatmonkey> it'll have a send to group widget
[20:33] <jcoxon> right
[20:33] <jcoxon> got the hang of it now
[20:40] <jcoxon> oh henry
[20:40] <jcoxon> i've got myself a contact at Ofcom
[20:40] <jcoxon> they are doing a search for every freq we can use
[20:41] <HenryHallam> oh, that's good
[20:46] <jcoxon> this flickr stuff has made me look back at all the pictures :-D
[20:51] <jcoxon> right
[20:51] <jcoxon> there are a few more photos
[20:51] <jcoxon> hehe
[20:54] <HenryHallam> ah, the pile-o-junk-on-desk
[20:54] <HenryHallam> is that Peg 3?
[20:54] <jcoxon> yeah
[20:54] <jcoxon> hehe
[20:54] <jcoxon> no II
[20:54] <HenryHallam> ok
[20:54] <jcoxon> 3 is much nicer
[20:54] <jcoxon> and i don't have a case yet
[20:55] <jcoxon> HenryHallam, i don't really have much to report tomorrow :-p
[20:55] <HenryHallam> I'll be interested to see what the sensors people have done
[20:56] <jcoxon> hehe
[20:56] <jcoxon> did speak to ben about the camera
[20:56] <jcoxon> today
[20:56] <jcoxon> i think he'll be more useful once exams are over
[20:56] <HenryHallam> right
[20:56] <jcoxon> did think of one thing
[20:56] <HenryHallam> I'm afraid I'm buggering off to France for two days after the exams but hopefully the tracker should be done by then
[20:56] <jcoxon> howabout a servo powered mirror
[20:57] <jcoxon> !!!
[20:57] <jcoxon> it'll be fine
[20:57] <jcoxon> so we can take pictures of sideways and down
[20:57] <HenryHallam> hm
[20:57] <jcoxon> i know
[20:57] <jcoxon> just i saw macfreaks payload
[20:57] <jcoxon> its quite a good idea
[20:57] <jcoxon> but i'd hate for it to jam halfway
[20:58] <jcoxon> and bugger all pictuers
[20:58] <jcoxon> pictures*
[20:58] <HenryHallam> worth thinking about but I'd be worried about condensation on the mirror or the servo jamming up
[20:58] <HenryHallam> is Macfreak doing that then?
[20:58] <jcoxon> yup
[20:58] <jcoxon> there is a picture on his site
[20:58] <jcoxon> oo i've found some more picures
[20:58] <jcoxon> pictures*
[20:58] <jcoxon> more interesting
[20:59] <icez> you could always use a bigger resolution on the camera and put a mirror in such a way that it takes half of the picture, and thus you would have a straight and down (45 deg) picture in one?:]
[21:00] <jcoxon> interesting idea
[21:00] <HenryHallam> heh
[21:00] <jcoxon> i'm a big fan of 2 cameras to tell the truth
[21:00] <HenryHallam> I think two cameras are easier really
[21:05] <phatmonkey> instead of a servo
[21:05] <phatmonkey> use an electronmagnet or something
[21:05] <phatmonkey> electro
[21:05] <phatmonkey> so at least it wouldn't get jammed half way!
[21:05] <phatmonkey> ooh, photos
[21:06] <icez> well anything that moves can jam
[21:06] <jcoxon> especially in the cold
[21:06] <jcoxon> freeze
[21:06] <icez> oh, do you guys take temperature measurements in your flights?
[21:06] <jcoxon> will be this time round
[21:08] <icez> if you save the data i'd like to see it though
[21:08] <jcoxon> of course
[21:10] <phatmonkey> if a servo stops working for any reason, it'll jam!
[21:10] <jcoxon> 2 cameras
[21:11] <phatmonkey> indeed
[21:12] <jcoxon> right
[21:12] <jcoxon> done
[21:12] <jcoxon> phatmonkey, the group really needs a picture as an icon
[21:13] <phatmonkey> one of yours
[21:13] <phatmonkey> yay
[21:13] <jcoxon> i've added some unreleased photos
[21:13] <phatmonkey> oh wow
[21:13] <jcoxon> ran out of space on my srcf account
[21:13] <phatmonkey> PII?
[21:13] <jcoxon> yup
[21:13] <jcoxon> of the launch
[21:13] <phatmonkey> http://www.flickr.com/photos/29158271@N00/153200550/in/pool-highaltitude/
[21:13] <phatmonkey> that one methinks
[21:13] <jcoxon> phatmonkey, could i be checking and ask for some server space to host them?
[21:14] <jcoxon> cheeky* not checking
[21:14] <phatmonkey> I have MASSES of server space to waste, please take
[21:14] <phatmonkey> hmm
[21:14] <phatmonkey> i have no proper access to it
[21:14] <phatmonkey> flickr will do for now, won't it?
[21:14] <jcoxon> oh
[21:14] <jcoxon> yeah
[21:14] <phatmonkey> i like how people can comment on things
[21:14] <jcoxon> but i've got more
[21:14] <phatmonkey> yeah, at some point
[21:14] <jcoxon> cool
[21:15] <jcoxon> no hurry
[21:15] <phatmonkey> i'm thinking of setting up another server to do proper web hosting
[21:15] <jcoxon> its just when pegasus III flies i'll have a lot of pics
[21:15] <HenryHallam> james give me 5 mins and I'll set you up an account on my server
[21:15] <phatmonkey> with a cpanel style thing, dns, email accounts, ftp access, all that
[21:15] <jcoxon> oh thanks HenryHallam
[21:15] <jcoxon> just a place to link to from the main site
[21:15] <jcoxon> once my exams are over i'll spend some time redoing everything
[21:16] <jcoxon> phatmonkey, yeah that pics fine for the icon
[21:16] <jcoxon> right i'm just going to have a bath
[21:16] <jcoxon> will be back in about an hour
[21:16] <jcoxon> see you all later perhaps
[21:17] <phatmonkey> kkay
[21:17] <phatmonkey> flickr is polite
[21:17] <icez> phatmonkey, how much did you pay for your 60 cables?:)
[21:17] <phatmonkey> "The new group icon looks nice!"
[21:18] <phatmonkey> £30!!
[21:18] <icez> mmm
[21:18] <phatmonkey> cheaper than buying cable
[21:18] <phatmonkey> let alone plastic widgets and connectors
[21:18] <icez> that's like what?:/
[21:18] <icez> 20$?
[21:18] <icez> 40$?
[21:18] <HenryHallam> james, http://henryhallam.cjb.net/~jcoxon/
[21:18] <phatmonkey> £30ish for a 100ft reel i think liast time i looked
[21:18] <phatmonkey> can't remember
[21:18] <phatmonkey> probably cheaper
[21:18] <icez> those en GBP right?
[21:18] <phatmonkey> £30 = $55 ish
[21:19] <icez> uhm
[21:19] <HenryHallam> which cables are these?
[21:19] <icez> for that amount of cable I could do the same by myself for 30$
[21:19] <jcoxon> thanks henry
[21:19] <icez> HenryHallam, http://www.flickr.com/photos/phatmonkey/112073169/
[21:19] <phatmonkey> might be expensive over the pond, but it's bloody cheap for the uk
[21:19] <phatmonkey> all our stuff is marked
[21:19] <HenryHallam> ftp/sftp/ssh into henryhallam.cjb.net, your password is "password"
[21:19] <icez> yeah
[21:19] <phatmonkey> it's very hard to get cheap network cables!
[21:20] <HenryHallam> feel free to change it
[21:20] <jcoxon> hehe
[21:20] <jcoxon> i will considering this conversation is being logged by zeusbot
[21:20] <icez> those already made cost like hell here:/
[21:20] <HenryHallam> heh
[21:20] <phatmonkey> classic
[21:21] <jcoxon> thanks henry
[21:21] <HenryHallam> £30 isn't bad for 60 made-up cables
[21:21] <jcoxon> silly debian - have to have a long password
[21:21] <jcoxon> done now
[21:21] <phatmonkey> http://froogle.google.co.uk/froogle?q=cat5+reel&btnG=Search&show=dd
[21:21] <jcoxon> will upload after bath
[21:21] <phatmonkey> take 300m as £50
[21:21] <HenryHallam> no prob, it's running off a broadband connection so don't expect it to be incredibly fast if lots of people are downloading
[21:21] <jcoxon> oh its just for extra pictures
[21:22] <jcoxon> if gets to much just say
[21:22] <phatmonkey> 7x 60 = 420
[21:22] <phatmonkey> for £30!
[21:22] <phatmonkey> roughly half the price than buying just cable
[21:22] <icez> phatmonkey, so I bet you're into networking?:)
[21:24] <phatmonkey> yep
[21:24] <phatmonkey> not that I know anything about networking
[21:24] <phatmonkey> I just like network equipment
[21:24] <phatmonkey> hehe
[21:25] <HenryHallam> handy tip
[21:25] <HenryHallam> if you make an Etherkiller for a joke
[21:25] <HenryHallam> don't bring it into school
[21:25] <HenryHallam> they won't get the joke
[21:25] <icez> Etherkiller?
[21:25] <HenryHallam> cat 5 cable with an RJ45 plug on one end and a mains electrical plug on the other
[21:25] <phatmonkey> muhahahah
[21:25] <icez> outch
[21:25] <icez> i want one of those!
[21:25] <icez> :P
[21:26] <phatmonkey> great fun
[21:26] <HenryHallam> yeah I never lived that one down
[21:26] <phatmonkey> damn, just missed my last day at school to
[21:26] <phatmonkey> o
[21:26] <phatmonkey> dammit
[21:26] <phatmonkey> I'll have to wait till the end of yr 13
[21:26] <icez> wow, it's your last day too?
[21:27] <icez> or was
[21:27] <phatmonkey> last friday was my last day
[21:27] <phatmonkey> well, till the sixth form
[21:27] <phatmonkey> still worth a celebration
[21:27] <icez> my graduation is tonight
[21:27] <icez> :/
[21:28] <phatmonkey> yikes
[21:28] <HenryHallam> you'll enjoy sixth form
[21:29] <phatmonkey> I'm skipping a column, so i have masses of free periods, hee hee
[21:29] <phatmonkey> loadsa time to work on balloons
[21:29] <phatmonkey> it's complicated, but i'm missing out a lesson, but i'm still doing two more A levels than I should
[21:29] <HenryHallam> maths, further maths, physics, chem?
[21:30] <phatmonkey> holy crap
[21:30] <phatmonkey> that was quite a good guess
[21:30] <phatmonkey> + computing, which i'm doing right now
[21:30] <HenryHallam> oh right
[21:30] <phatmonkey> how did you guess?! woah
[21:30] <HenryHallam> computing doesn't count and neither does physics, you can basically not turn up to any lessons and still get an A
[21:30] <phatmonkey> wonderful
[21:31] <HenryHallam> especially if it's OCR physics
[21:31] <phatmonkey> further maths looks tough
[21:31] <phatmonkey> we're doing it double speed too
[21:31] <HenryHallam> it's not too bad
[21:31] <phatmonkey> maths as + a2 in the first year, further as + a2 in the second
[21:31] <phatmonkey> aiming for computer science at cambridge
[21:31] <HenryHallam> do the BIO
[21:31] <HenryHallam> if there's one thing you should do it's the BIO
[21:32] <HenryHallam> pretty much instant offer for CS
[21:32] <phatmonkey> bio?
[21:32] <HenryHallam> www.olympiad.org.uk
[21:33] <phatmonkey> swheet
[21:33] <phatmonkey> the more chance of getting in, the better
[21:33] <HenryHallam> getting to the final is very easy and gets you a fun-filled weekend in cambridge
[21:34] <HenryHallam> if you do well in the final you also get a free trip to Random Eastern-european Country
[21:34] <phatmonkey> nice, thanks
[21:34] <phatmonkey> i'll look into it
[21:35] <HenryHallam> oh and don't apply to Emmanuel
[21:35] <HenryHallam> right that's your cambridge advice, I'm going to finish off this PCB now
[21:36] <phatmonkey> advice is goood, thanks
[21:37] <phatmonkey> http://www.flickr.com/photos/29158271@N00/153219971/in/pool-highaltitude/
[21:37] <phatmonkey> that is one purty mat
[21:49] <jcoxon> it is isn't it
[21:57] <phatmonkey> dammit, i hate learning new root passwords
[21:57] <phatmonkey> i'm going to keep on having to type it this evening
[21:57] <phatmonkey> or I'll forget by tomorrow morning
[21:57] <jcoxon> hehe
[21:57] <HenryHallam> phatmonkey have you rooted my server?
[21:58] <phatmonkey> i.... don't think so!
[21:58] <HenryHallam> gdgd
[21:58] <jcoxon> ?!?!
[21:58] <phatmonkey> might have (whoops, finger slipped!)
[22:00] <jcoxon> i've added the flickr thing as a story on ukhas
[22:00] <phatmonkey> wonderful
[22:00] <phatmonkey> i added to the links section
[22:00] <jcoxon> :-)
[22:00] <jcoxon> yeah i saw
[22:01] <phatmonkey> http://www.flickr.com/photo_exif.gne?id=153200550&context=pool-67555315@N00
[22:01] <phatmonkey> still has the exif info!
[22:01] <phatmonkey> been adding some tags to the nice ones too
[22:01] <phatmonkey> http://www.flickr.com/photos/29158271@N00/153200550/in/pool-highaltitude/
[22:01] <phatmonkey> add a nice description to that one
[22:01] <phatmonkey> it really is stunning
[22:02] <jcoxon> thanks
[22:02] <jcoxon> i've actually be working out
[22:02] <jcoxon> the camera died around hte peak altitude
[22:02] <jcoxon> perhaps due to the cold
[22:02] <jcoxon> hmmmm
[22:02] <jcoxon> it was exposed :-D
[22:03] <phatmonkey> and replace the filename in the title with the altitude
[22:03] <phatmonkey> wow, i didn't know it died
[22:03] <jcoxon> well it didn't die
[22:03] <jcoxon> but turned off
[22:03] <phatmonkey> ah right
[22:03] <jcoxon> it could of been the batteries
[22:03] <phatmonkey> you never know, you might get the photo on the front page or something
[22:05] <jcoxon> :-D
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[22:07] <jcoxon> would get lots of publicity
[22:09] <phatmonkey> shame it's not better quality!
[22:09] <phatmonkey> once we have a reliable payload, we have to put up nice cameras
[22:09] <jcoxon> yeah
[22:09] <jcoxon> nova 1 is launching 5MP
[22:09] <phatmonkey> change the description to somethig describing the project
[22:09] <jcoxon> i'm launching 3MP for Pegasus III
[22:10] <jcoxon> will do in a bit
[22:10] <phatmonkey> once we get good communication, we could have a live feed to adjust camera settings and position
[22:10] <phatmonkey> resolution isn't everything ;)
[22:10] <jcoxon> :-D
[22:10] <phatmonkey> you can get 8 megapixel camera phones, but they're still crap
[22:10] <phatmonkey> hehe
[22:10] <jcoxon> i'm really considering ordering an aerocomm radio modem developers kit
[22:11] <jcoxon> they've emailed me a quote
[22:11] <jcoxon> tempting
[22:11] <jcoxon> but expensive
[22:11] <phatmonkey> just higher resolution crap
[22:11] <phatmonkey> nice
[22:11] <jcoxon> and not a great range :(
[22:11] <HenryHallam> how much do they want for it?
[22:11] <phatmonkey> yeah
[22:11] <jcoxon> can't use the 900mhz ones
[22:11] <jcoxon> which have a range of 32km
[22:11] <jcoxon> as thats the mobile phone freq
[22:11] <jcoxon> £150 for the kit
[22:11] <jcoxon> with a range of 15km
[22:11] <jcoxon> though i think we can push that
[22:11] <HenryHallam> developer kits are usually ripoffs anyway
[22:11] <jcoxon> i know
[22:12] <jcoxon> in the US you can get the individual modems for £30
[22:12] <jcoxon> each
[22:12] <jcoxon> actually it was £40
[22:12] <phatmonkey> http://www.flickr.com/groups/numerical/pool/ - wow
[22:13] <jcoxon> hehe
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[22:19] <jcoxon> phatmonkey, about the description, what and where?
[22:20] <phatmonkey> http://www.flickr.com/photos/29158271@N00/153200550/in/pool-highaltitude/
[22:20] <phatmonkey> you can just click on the description to edit it
[22:20] <phatmonkey> I dunno, describ the project a lil, what it is
[22:21] <phatmonkey> make the title something like Pegasus I at 65,000 ft
[22:21] <phatmonkey> flickr is a real community thing
[22:21] <jcoxon> okeydokey
[22:21] <jcoxon> hehe i've changed my icon
[22:21] <phatmonkey> there are various groups you can add it to to gain attention, dunno, have a look around
[22:22] <jcoxon> oooo PR time
[22:22] <jcoxon> my youtube videos are doing nicely
[22:22] <jcoxon> hehe
[22:22] Action: jcoxon suddenly realises how dodgey that sounds
[22:23] <phatmonkey> hehe
[22:24] <phatmonkey> argh
[22:24] <phatmonkey> I bought a bluetooth widget for my ibook on ebay
[22:24] <jcoxon> and...
[22:24] <phatmonkey> i want to fit it, but i don't want to destroy my ibook before my exams
[22:24] <phatmonkey> hehe
[22:24] <jcoxon> :-D
[22:24] <jcoxon> i've got a usb dongle
[22:24] <phatmonkey> I've got the official one :o
[22:25] <phatmonkey> I suppose I shoul dhave hacked a third party one onto an internal usb port :D
[22:25] <phatmonkey> the official one connects to an internal usb port I believe
[22:26] <phatmonkey> http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/83.22.15.html
[22:27] <HenryHallam> if it was made to be installed by typical computer techs then it can't be that tricky
[22:27] <phatmonkey> it is, I assure you
[22:27] <phatmonkey> a stupid number of screws have to be removed to get to it
[22:28] <phatmonkey> something like 50
[22:28] <HenryHallam> oh
[22:28] <HenryHallam> well look on the bright side
[22:28] <phatmonkey> bottom casing off, bottom shielf off, top casing off, top shield off
[22:28] <phatmonkey> ... I'll get some nice piccys
[22:28] <HenryHallam> after you're done, you'll have some spare screws to play with
[22:28] <phatmonkey> hehe
[22:28] <phatmonkey> yep
[22:28] <jcoxon> that always happens to me
[22:29] <phatmonkey> http://www.flickr.com/photos/phatmonkey/148871149/ - fitted a new ipod battery. the new one lasts shorter than the old one
[22:29] <phatmonkey> doh
[22:29] <jcoxon> oh
[22:30] <phatmonkey> guess I can't complain, cost £5 including shipping off ebay
[22:30] <HenryHallam> yeah I once bought a lot of 12 laptop batteries off ebay
[22:30] <HenryHallam> none of them lasted longer than 5 minutes
[22:30] <HenryHallam> didn't make that mistake again
[22:30] <jcoxon> hehe
[22:30] <jcoxon> need some helium?
[22:30] <jcoxon> http://www.flickr.com/photos/skimaniac/102566164/
[22:31] <phatmonkey> holy woah
[22:32] <icez> all that for a magnet?
[22:32] <icez> pffft
[22:32] <HenryHallam> oh yeah
[22:32] <HenryHallam> CERN is definitely worth a visit
[22:32] <phatmonkey> that would fill a big balloon
[22:32] <icez> what would happen if the cooling system went down =)
[22:32] <HenryHallam> I think we should be using hydrogen anyway, helium is a scarce resource
[22:32] <icez> *kaboom*
[22:33] <HenryHallam> did you know that (pretty much) all the helium on earth comes from uranium decay?
[22:33] <jcoxon> that i didn't
[22:33] <jcoxon> i ain't using hydrogen
[22:33] <jcoxon> though it is cheaper
[22:33] <jcoxon> and has more lift
[22:34] <phatmonkey> can't we just mine the sun?
[22:34] <phatmonkey> hehe
[22:34] <HenryHallam> well I've been doing my part for the renewables by making about 10^9 atoms of helium in my garage
[22:34] <jcoxon> yeah i saw
[22:34] <jcoxon> very cool
[22:35] <HenryHallam> I'd like to bring that up here, maybe branch off another bit of design club if anyone would be interested in doing some work with it
[22:35] <HenryHallam> because it's just sitting in my garage doing nothing at the moment
[22:36] <jcoxon> i'd love to see it
[22:36] <jcoxon> not sure i'd be any use
[22:36] <jcoxon> we could claim to make are own helium!
[22:39] Action: jcoxon is having a group submitting frenzy
[22:46] <jcoxon> phatmonkey, is there a way to monitor hits to ukhas?
[22:52] <phatmonkey> it's all in logs
[22:52] <phatmonkey> I can generate stats if needed
[22:52] <jcoxon> was just wondering
[22:52] <phatmonkey> once I get this web hosting thing working, I can probably add it as an account to that
[22:52] <phatmonkey> and we can both access it
[22:52] <jcoxon> i find stats interesting
[22:53] <phatmonkey> yeah
[22:53] <jcoxon> always look at mine once a day
[22:53] <jcoxon> slightly sad
[22:53] <jcoxon> but hey
[22:53] <phatmonkey> I'm worse ;)
[22:53] <phatmonkey> I try to avoid stats
[22:54] <HenryHallam> shh you're bringing back bad memories of S1
[22:54] <phatmonkey> that just made me want to check my adsense account
[22:54] <phatmonkey> 4 cents today... score
[22:54] <phatmonkey> raking in large amounts of cash from my blog
[22:54] <phatmonkey> hehe
[22:54] <jcoxon> yeah
[22:55] <jcoxon> how many hits do you get a day?
[22:55] <phatmonkey> erm.. not many
[22:55] <phatmonkey> 60! :D
[22:55] <phatmonkey> $1.72 in the last 7 days
[22:55] <phatmonkey> this could keep me alive if i were a tramp
[22:55] <jcoxon> its money!
[22:55] <jcoxon> haha
[22:55] <jcoxon> i get about 120 a day
[22:56] <jcoxon> but i can't have advertising
[22:56] <jcoxon> and i like my srcf account
[22:56] <phatmonkey> :o
[22:56] <phatmonkey> that sucks
[22:56] <phatmonkey> grrr
[22:57] <HenryHallam> srcf is great though
[22:57] <phatmonkey> theyre meant to send me payment after $100 has clocked up, and I've had $127 since my last $100
[22:57] <jcoxon> oh
[22:57] <HenryHallam> james, you could ask them if they'll give you more space
[22:57] <phatmonkey> Total Earnings USD127.03
[22:57] <phatmonkey> neat
[22:57] <jcoxon> yeah thats an idea actually
[22:58] <jcoxon> i'll email the admin now
[22:58] <HenryHallam> gratuitous cloud photos here: http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~hmh33/gallerysmaller/
[22:58] <jcoxon> i like the software version
[22:59] <HenryHallam> yes I may have been drunk when I installed that
[22:59] <jcoxon> hehe
[22:59] <jcoxon> i haven't drunk anything in weeks
[22:59] <jcoxon> hurry up the end of exams
[23:00] <phatmonkey> time to snooze
[23:00] <phatmonkey> got an exam in the afternoon tomorrow and i want to up for it
[23:00] <phatmonkey> hehe
[23:00] <HenryHallam> night
[23:00] <phatmonkey> *be
[23:01] <jcoxon> night phatmonkey
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[23:10] <jcoxon> right bed
[23:11] <HenryHallam> byes
[23:11] <jcoxon> got a day to cram pathology
[23:11] <jcoxon> then all hell breaks loose :-D
[23:11] <jcoxon> see you tomorrow at hte meeting
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