highaltitude.log.20060507

[00:12] <macfreak4> what's a good idea for a radar reflector?
[00:18] <Tiger^> a radar reflector ;)
[00:18] <jcoxon> hey guys
[00:18] <Tiger^> hi jcoxon
[00:18] <jcoxon> macfreak4, apparently a space blanket isn't sufficent
[00:18] <jcoxon> hehe
[00:18] <Tiger^> isn't sufficient? why?
[00:19] <jcoxon> doesn't appear on a radar
[00:19] <macfreak4> aww
[00:19] <jcoxon> thats what i read at least
[00:19] <macfreak4> but I don't see why one would need to *buy* a reflector
[00:19] <jcoxon> i don't need one so i've never really looked into one
[00:19] <macfreak4> i mean, they are three perpendicular metal planes
[00:19] <jcoxon> oh i'm sure you could make one
[00:19] <macfreak4> aluminum foil and cardboard?
[00:19] <macfreak4> :P
[00:20] <jcoxon> perhaps polystyrene (styrofoam)
[00:20] <macfreak4> maybe
[00:21] <macfreak4> jcoxon, i don't think i've given you a picture of my progress yet ;)
[00:21] <macfreak4> http://macfreak4.homeunix.com/photos/DSCN0039.JPG
[00:21] <jcoxon> oh wow
[00:21] <jcoxon> looks good
[00:21] <jcoxon> i've actually got some pictures
[00:21] <jcoxon> now that i've rescued my camera
[00:21] <jcoxon> one sec
[00:21] <Tiger^> jcoxon: and take a look at my airframe & cam
[00:22] <Tiger^> jcoxon: http://moo.pl/~tygrys/junk/bal/
[00:22] <Tiger^> ;)
[00:22] <jcoxon> Tiger^, yeah i had a look early
[00:22] <Tiger^> oh
[00:22] <jcoxon> (i re-read your conversation)
[00:23] <jcoxon> very excited about all these potential launches
[00:23] <jcoxon> expect updates!
[00:23] <macfreak4> :D
[00:23] <Tiger^> the fact that the airframe is rigid and square is mainly my wife's work :P
[00:23] <Tiger^> well ok, i helped a little! lol
[00:23] <jcoxon> best as a team
[00:23] <jcoxon> hehe
[00:23] <Tiger^> yeah
[00:24] <jcoxon> macfreak4, i like hte switches on the outside
[00:25] <Tiger^> yeah
[00:25] <Tiger^> the switches are cool
[00:25] <jcoxon> will they be covered?
[00:25] <macfreak4> i am considering it
[00:25] <jcoxon> as i'd hate for it to land and turn off!
[00:25] <jcoxon> i don't do switches for that reason
[00:25] <Tiger^> they definitely should be
[00:25] <macfreak4> i was going to put a thin rod across them to keep them from switching
[00:25] <macfreak4> after I boot everything up
[00:25] <macfreak4> day of the launch
[00:26] <Tiger^> put a clear plastic box over them
[00:26] <Tiger^> that'd be best
[00:26] <macfreak4> ya i'll probably do that
[00:27] <Tiger^> jcoxon: put up those pictures ;>
[00:28] <macfreak4> i put the switches on there to decrease complications on the day of the launch
[00:28] <macfreak4> ya
[00:28] <macfreak4> i second that!
[00:28] <macfreak4> :D
[00:28] <jcoxon> hehe they are awful
[00:28] <jcoxon> had to use my rubbish camera
[00:28] <jcoxon> as my sister stole my good camera cable
[00:29] <jcoxon> http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~jac208/pegasus/pictures/pegasus3/construction/
[00:29] <jcoxon> when i get the cable back i'll take some more
[00:29] <jcoxon> better ones
[00:30] <Tiger^> will the ipod fly? :P
[00:30] <Tiger^> hhe
[00:30] <jcoxon> could do :-D
[00:30] <jcoxon> don't tempt me
[00:30] <jcoxon> if they ever got usb working on the ipod linux then it wouldn't be difficult
[00:30] <jcoxon> actually it would be a good flight computer
[00:30] <Tiger^> ;)
[00:31] <macfreak4> LOTS of storage
[00:31] <jcoxon> usb hub
[00:31] <jcoxon> so usb gps
[00:31] <jcoxon> usb -> phone
[00:31] <macfreak4> usb cam?
[00:31] <macfreak4> perhaps?
[00:31] <jcoxon> or use the TTL serial port in the headphone connector
[00:31] <jcoxon> yeah
[00:31] <Tiger^> and movies on demand! streaming right from the balloon!
[00:32] <Tiger^> just wait for those 3G UMTS networks!
[00:32] <Tiger^> ;)
[00:32] <macfreak4> ha
[00:34] Action: Tiger^ is mourning the loss of the humidity sensor :(
[00:34] <jcoxon> oh no
[00:34] <jcoxon> what happened
[00:34] <macfreak4> fried it?
[00:35] <jcoxon> oooo hehe - use the serial port on a ipod for the gps
[00:35] <Tiger^> no, it's vry hard to fry it
[00:35] <Tiger^> i've literally lost it
[00:35] <jcoxon> and then output to a radio as sound
[00:36] <Tiger^> i had one in a drawer
[00:36] <macfreak4> i was actually going to use a broken ipod as a storage device
[00:36] <Tiger^> from a past project
[00:36] <macfreak4> had a broken click wheel
[00:36] <macfreak4> but decided against that
[00:36] <Tiger^> but it's not there anymore :/
[00:36] <Tiger^> and this thing costs like $40
[00:37] <Tiger^> not to mention it's hard to come by
[00:37] <Tiger^> well i guess there'll be no humidity sensing on Cygnus-1
[00:38] <jcoxon> ooo cool is that the name?
[00:38] <jcoxon> website yet?
[00:38] Action: jcoxon is a big fan of adding to his links page
[00:39] <Tiger^> yeah, that's the name
[00:39] <Tiger^> no website yet and i don't think there will be before the flight
[00:39] <Tiger^> in case it fails :P
[00:39] <jcoxon> hehe yeah
[00:39] <Tiger^> soviet experiment technique, remember!
[00:40] <jcoxon> hehe Tiger^
[00:40] <Tiger^> they didn't announce Gagarin go up until he was in orbit
[00:40] <jcoxon> but i think you do to much testing
[00:40] <jcoxon> true
[00:40] <Tiger^> yeah, so call it quasi-soviet technique!
[00:41] <jcoxon> i forgot how bloody resiliant this camera is
[00:41] <jcoxon> the are really tough
[00:41] <jcoxon> just made a big spark and its fine
[00:42] <Tiger^> yeah, just like the Atari 800XL joystick port.
[00:42] <Tiger^> lol
[00:42] <Tiger^> it was amazing what voltages and what currents could pass through it without any damage
[00:43] <Tiger^> not to mention static discharges
[00:44] <jcoxon> :-)
[00:54] <Tiger^> geez, they need to know all kinds of things for a permit
[00:55] <jcoxon> like?
[00:55] <Tiger^> like, how the hell am i supposed to guess the "flight level" of the balloon?
[00:55] <Tiger^> or "anticipated ascent direction"
[00:55] <Tiger^> it's fscking upwards!
[00:56] <jcoxon> its above flight level 245
[00:56] <Tiger^> 60 thousand feet?
[00:57] <Tiger^> but seriously, how can i forsee how the wind will blow three weeks from now.
[00:57] <jcoxon> you can't
[00:57] <jcoxon> but
[00:57] <Tiger^> yeah
[00:57] <jcoxon> for example in the UK the wind is predominantly SW
[00:57] <jcoxon> (though i'd never launch on a SW day
[00:58] <Tiger^> figures :)
[00:58] <Tiger^> here it can blow from anywhere
[00:59] <Tiger^> Warszawa-Okecie, Poland (EPWA) 52-10N 020-58E 107M
[00:59] <Tiger^> Wind: Variable at 2 MPH (2 KT):0
[00:59] <Tiger^> hehe
[00:59] <Tiger^> even now
[00:59] <Tiger^> no direction
[01:00] <Tiger^> "anticipated landing spot"
[01:00] <Tiger^> sweet...
[01:10] <jcoxon> awww
[01:10] <jcoxon> just electricuted myself
[01:10] <jcoxon> hehe
[01:10] <jcoxon> not very much
[01:10] <Tiger^> hmm
[01:10] <Tiger^> how?
[01:10] <jcoxon> shorted the camera out again
[01:11] <jcoxon> i had to remove the flash
[01:11] <jcoxon> but i'm trying to get round the camera wanting the flash
[01:13] <jcoxon> right well i've worked out how now
[01:13] <jcoxon> but don't understand why
[01:13] <jcoxon> but i'm going to bed
[01:13] <jcoxon> night all
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[05:03] <macfreak4> anyone still on?
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[10:43] <defy> hey guys
[10:45] <jcoxon> hey defy
[10:45] <defy> gps working well now?
[10:45] <jcoxon> yup
[10:45] <defy> sweet :D
[10:45] <jcoxon> though my room is amazingly gps signal void
[10:46] <defy> lol, yea they say they're suppose to work inside, but i wont be surprised if it still needs to see the sky
[10:46] <jcoxon> or if you live in a tent
[10:46] <jcoxon> :-p
[10:46] <defy> hehe
[10:47] <jcoxon> right
[10:47] <jcoxon> pegasus III with out the payload case weighs 446g
[10:48] <jcoxon> oh and cutdown device
[10:48] <defy> cool
[10:49] <jcoxon> and bellerophon weighs without case
[10:49] <jcoxon> 162g
[10:50] <defy> what do you use to connect to the phone?
[10:51] <defy> just a nokia cable?
[10:51] <jcoxon> a nokia connector
[10:51] <jcoxon> and 3 wires from BTUART
[10:51] <jcoxon> rx,tx and gns
[10:51] <jcoxon> gnd*
[10:51] <defy> sweet
[10:52] <jcoxon> not got much to do now
[10:52] <defy> it seems like a pretty reliable close to ground solution
[10:52] <defy> awesome, got a launch date yet?
[10:53] <jcoxon> well i've got exams in 3 weeks
[10:53] <jcoxon> so plan to open the launch window on the 16th june
[10:54] <defy> cool
[10:54] <jcoxon> go to coordinate a launch with Nova I
[10:54] <jcoxon> and perhaps another balloon
[10:55] <jcoxon> oh i've put some construction pictures up
[10:55] <jcoxon> but i had to use the crap camera
[10:55] <jcoxon> so they aren't very good
[10:57] <defy> cool where abouts?
[10:57] <defy> just linked off your site?
[10:57] <jcoxon> yup
[10:57] <jcoxon> in pegasus III section
[10:59] <defy> cool
[10:59] <defy> i'm not looking forward to haxing my gpstix, i think ill make my flatmate do it
[11:00] <defy> did you actually have to add any solder when you added that resister? or just used the existing pad and hole's solder?
[11:01] <jcoxon> i added solder
[11:03] <jcoxon> its really not that difficult
[11:03] <jcoxon> (i'm not bad at soldering)
[11:04] <defy> I'm pretty bad, something this small ill definitely get my flatty to do, he has some electrical eng degree and has had plenty of practice, i just make a mess most of the time
[11:36] <defy> i know im going to get mine finished too early and have to wait months for summer
[11:36] <defy> suppose I can use that time to do lots of tests
[11:38] <jcoxon> oh i forgot, wrong side of the world
[11:38] <jcoxon> nearly summer here
[11:38] <defy> hehe
[11:39] <jcoxon> well i'll be doing a lot of launching this summer
[11:40] <defy> cool, must be nice to be able to do it within a group
[11:40] <jcoxon> yeah
[11:40] <jcoxon> though i'm used to working on my own
[11:40] <jcoxon> so will have to learn to explain my ideas
[11:40] <defy> heh true
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[18:01] <jcoxon> brb
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[18:13] <Tiger^> hi jcoxon
[18:13] <Tiger^> any progress? :)
[18:13] <jcoxon> with what :-D
[18:13] <jcoxon> ?
[18:13] <Tiger^> with Peg3
[18:13] <Tiger^> ;)
[18:13] <jcoxon> not really
[18:14] <jcoxon> decided my camera is to dodgey to trust
[18:14] <jcoxon> so have ebayed a new one
[18:14] <Tiger^> oh
[18:14] <jcoxon> worked out my cutdown mechanisms
[18:14] <jcoxon> and just been to Henry's PIC masterclass
[18:14] <Tiger^> feel educated? :P
[18:16] <jcoxon> yeah
[18:17] <Tiger^> great
[19:14] <macfreak4> hey
[19:41] <jcoxon> hey macfreak4
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[21:23] <macfreak4> hrye
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[21:34] <mongrethod> Hi all
[21:34] <macfreak4> hey
[21:34] <mongrethod> the freakin GPStix is still out of stock
[21:34] Action: mongrethod crys
[21:34] <macfreak4> wow they must b selling a lot
[21:35] <mongrethod> apparently they sold alot
[21:35] <mongrethod> and then ran out
[21:35] <mongrethod> o.o
[21:35] <macfreak4> i bet they like our business
[21:35] <macfreak4> :P
[21:35] <mongrethod> yar
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[22:23] <macfreak4> hello again
[22:24] <jcoxon> hey
[22:24] <jcoxon> just popping in
[22:24] <macfreak4> ok
[22:27] Action: Tiger^ 's hot himself a new pair of wire cutters!
[22:27] <Tiger^> got*
[22:27] <jcoxon> yay
[22:28] <Tiger^> and that's pretty much all the progress for today... damn sunday
[22:33] <Tiger^> you know, that's the downside of all this balloon business
[22:33] <Tiger^> i loved weekends
[22:33] <jcoxon> hehe
[22:34] <Tiger^> now every friday afternoon i'm waiting for monday morning
[22:35] <Tiger^> well it's gonna change when the parts and the pcbs arrive
[22:36] <jcoxon> :-D
[22:36] <Tiger^> it'll be solderingsolderingsoldering and then codingcodingcoding ;)
[22:36] <jcoxon> how long have you got?
[22:36] <Tiger^> well the parts should be here tomorrow
[22:37] <Tiger^> and the pcbs... they've 10 working days from last thursday
[22:37] <Tiger^> so it may be a while
[22:37] <Tiger^> but there are other things to do
[22:37] <Tiger^> like the balloon filler
[22:37] <Tiger^> or airframe top hatch
[22:37] <jcoxon> :-D
[22:38] <jcoxon> balloon filler i made on the day
[22:38] <jcoxon> still works
[22:38] <jcoxon> very proud of it
[22:38] <Tiger^> :)
[22:39] <Tiger^> also i'm starting to think 'bout not exposing the camera lens
[22:39] <Tiger^> but instead covering the camera port with a piece of clear plastic
[22:39] <Tiger^> i'm concerned about it fogging, though
[22:40] <jcoxon> there is that risk
[22:40] <jcoxon> launch with silca gel
[22:40] <Tiger^> hm
[22:40] <Tiger^> there'd bo no way to put silica gel between the lens and the plastic window
[22:40] <Tiger^> without obscuring the lens
[22:41] <jcoxon> no but have it close by
[22:41] <Tiger^> yeah
[22:41] <Tiger^> or i'll just expose the lens
[22:41] <Tiger^> but pour hot glue all around the camera
[22:41] <Tiger^> or something like that
[22:41] <jcoxon> thats what i do
[22:42] <Tiger^> yeah, but you know
[22:42] <macfreak4> i've got a 4"x4" piece of plexiglass over each camera, sealed with LOTS of hot glue
[22:42] <Tiger^> i'm designing my airframe to be reusable
[22:42] <Tiger^> and the hot glue i use sticks like a sonofabitch
[22:42] <macfreak4> yea...
[22:42] <Tiger^> it'd be impossible to rip the camera off without breaking the styrofoam
[22:43] <macfreak4> velcro :P
[22:43] <macfreak4> nah
[22:43] <Tiger^> hehe yeah
[22:43] <macfreak4> could you somehow rig up a base that the camera can mount on?
[22:44] <Tiger^> hmm yeah
[22:45] <Tiger^> there'll be two pieces of plastic holding the camera
[22:45] <Tiger^> like: <screw><plastic><camera><styrofoam with a window><plastic><nut>
[22:45] <macfreak4> I've used metal L brackets for mounting my laptop motherboard so that I can remove it when I need to install drivers w/ the CD
[22:45] <macfreak4> SMALL metal L brackets
[22:46] <macfreak4> glued to the styrofoam
[22:46] <Tiger^> oh
[22:46] <macfreak4> I knew that it would be a problem getting to the CD drive, because Win 98 always asks for the system disk when installing drivers
[22:47] <Tiger^> you're gonna use win 98?
[22:47] <Tiger^> lol :P
[22:47] <Tiger^> a bluescreen in mid air! :P
[22:48] <macfreak4> i've thought of that
[22:48] <macfreak4> well its the only system compatible with all the things I'm using
[22:48] <macfreak4> I need direct access to the parallel port, which is only supported in Win 9x systems
[22:48] <macfreak4> and the webcam drivers need 98 or above
[22:48] <macfreak4> plus MMTTY and SSTV, which require windows
[22:48] <macfreak4> without all the shit loaded, tho, win 98 is pretty stable
[22:49] <macfreak4> i used a minimal install
[22:49] <Tiger^> i still wouldn't trust it
[22:49] <Tiger^> i'd go for a hardware SSTV encoder
[22:49] <macfreak4> $$$
[22:49] <Tiger^> yeah
[22:49] <macfreak4> i wouldnt
[22:50] <Tiger^> you know, at first, when i began designing
[22:50] <Tiger^> i thought about SSTV
[22:50] <Tiger^> but as i won't have a launch team
[22:50] <Tiger^> i'll be pretty occupied with tracking
[22:51] <Tiger^> so i won't have time for receiving sstv
[22:51] <Tiger^> plus i'd need another HT and another ant
[22:51] <macfreak4> Why?
[22:51] <macfreak4> I'm using one HT
[22:52] <macfreak4> it's going to send an image, transmit the coordinates, then send another image
[22:52] <macfreak4> back and forth
[22:52] <macfreak4> on the same frequency
[22:52] <Tiger^> i wouldn't want FSK telemetry and SSTV on one QRG
[22:52] <Tiger^> call it being cautious
[22:52] <Tiger^> ;)
[22:52] <macfreak4> whatever
[22:52] <Tiger^> yeah
[22:52] <macfreak4> pph
[22:52] <Tiger^> but you know, with win 98
[22:53] <Tiger^> you really should let us know of the exact launch date & hour
[22:53] <Tiger^> so we can keep our fingers crossed
[22:53] <Tiger^> for the OS ;)
[22:53] <macfreak4> May 22 7:45 AM CDT
[22:53] <Tiger^> great
[22:53] <Tiger^> so i'm launching 8 days after you
[22:53] <macfreak4> o
[22:53] <Tiger^> +- the timezone difference ;)
[22:53] <macfreak4> sweet
[22:54] <macfreak4> ya
[22:54] <Tiger^> back to the camera window topic
[22:55] <Tiger^> don't you think the plexi will be fogged?
[22:55] <Tiger^> from the inside, i think
[22:55] <Tiger^> as it's gonna be warm in the capsule, freezing outside
[22:56] <macfreak4> fogged from the outside then
[22:56] <macfreak4> or...
[22:56] <Tiger^> hmm
[22:56] <macfreak4> wait...
[22:56] <macfreak4> ya
[22:56] <Tiger^> from the inside, definitely
[22:56] <macfreak4> cuz cars in the winter fog on the inside
[22:56] <macfreak4> yea
[22:56] <Tiger^> right
[22:57] <macfreak4> hmm
[22:57] <macfreak4> that stuff that jcoxon was talking about...
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[22:57] <macfreak4> is that like what scuba divers use?
[22:57] <macfreak4> on their masks?
[22:57] <Tiger^> hmm
[22:57] <Tiger^> dunno
[22:57] <macfreak4> i have some of that
[22:57] <macfreak4> this would be a good thing to test
[22:57] <Tiger^> my mask always got fogged
[22:57] <macfreak4> lol same
[22:58] <Tiger^> :)
[23:14] <Tiger^> i just got an idea i know i'll regret.
[23:14] <Tiger^> or... forget it, i won't do it.
[23:14] <jcoxon> do it
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[23:14] <jcoxon> hehe
[23:15] <Tiger^> no jcoxon, sending an old p233mmx laptop up would be a bad idea.
[23:15] <jcoxon> hehe
[23:16] <Tiger^> i'll do it eventually
[23:16] <Tiger^> but not on the first flight
[23:16] <jcoxon> :D
[23:16] <macfreak4> but I like the idea of a challenge
[23:16] <macfreak4> ;)
[23:16] <Tiger^> ;)
[23:17] <Tiger^> i do it the Amsat way
[23:17] <Tiger^> send a flight computer first
[23:17] <Tiger^> then send a flight computer mark II
[23:18] <Tiger^> but let the mark I control the flight
[23:18] <Tiger^> and then send mark II alone
[23:31] <jcoxon> :D
[23:31] <jcoxon> how big is the laptop?
[23:31] <macfreak4> mine or Tiger^'s?
[23:31] <jcoxon> Tiger^,
[23:32] <Tiger^> it's not so big
[23:32] <Tiger^> but it's pretty damn heavy
[23:34] <jcoxon> hmmm
[23:34] <jcoxon> probably better options
[23:34] <macfreak4> take out just the motherboard
[23:35] <macfreak4> shouldn't way much
[23:35] <macfreak4> and take out the battery, too
[23:35] <macfreak4> i mean leave it out
[23:35] <macfreak4> and interface the laptop motherboard with lithiums
[23:37] <jcoxon> still reckon there are lighter better ways of doing it
[23:38] <Tiger^> yeah
[23:38] <Tiger^> like the gumstix
[23:38] <Tiger^> or soekris
[23:38] <jcoxon> yeah
[23:38] <Tiger^> or OpenWRT boards
[23:39] <macfreak4> yea i think someone should try something different
[23:39] <Tiger^> now these are dirt cheap
[23:39] <macfreak4> everyone's on a gumstix binge
[23:39] <jcoxon> hehe
[23:39] <macfreak4> we know they work fine but lets try something else
[23:39] <Tiger^> macfreak4: i've designed my flight computer myself, how's that for diffrent? :P
[23:39] <jcoxon> how about my ipod idea
[23:39] <jcoxon> :-p
[23:39] <macfreak4> based on ...?
[23:39] <Tiger^> macfreak4: AVR
[23:40] <macfreak4> ya
[23:40] <macfreak4> but everyone else
[23:40] <Tiger^> jcoxon: the ipod idea is... well... i wouldn't trust an ipod :P
[23:40] <macfreak4> sounds like you wouldn't trust a lot of things
[23:40] <jcoxon> Tiger^, is to cautious
[23:41] <jcoxon> now its a challenge
[23:41] <jcoxon> hehe
[23:41] <Tiger^> hey
[23:41] <Tiger^> guys
[23:41] <jcoxon> just teasing
[23:41] <Tiger^> it's gonna be my first flight
[23:41] <jcoxon> sorry Tiger^
[23:41] <Tiger^> i really don't want to lose the payload
[23:41] <jcoxon> no i know
[23:41] <Tiger^> ;)
[23:41] <jcoxon> but i like the ipod idea
[23:41] <Tiger^> yeah it's nice
[23:42] <Tiger^> an ipod is both lightweight
[23:42] <Tiger^> and small
[23:42] <jcoxon> just need more inputs
[23:42] <macfreak4> well this is my first flight, too
[23:42] <Tiger^> yeah
[23:42] <Tiger^> and it's pretty much impossible to solder something inside it
[23:42] <jcoxon> tis my third
[23:42] <jcoxon> hehe
[23:43] <macfreak4> if you could get a cam interfaced with an ipod with linux on it
[23:43] <macfreak4> now that would be sweet
[23:43] <macfreak4> you could record the whole flight as a movie
[23:43] <jcoxon> i know i could get it trigger
[23:43] <jcoxon> but a direct camera
[23:43] <jcoxon> difficult
[23:43] <Tiger^> i think i'll use an OpenWRT board
[23:43] <jcoxon> good idea
[23:43] <Tiger^> as a Linux computer
[23:43] <jcoxon> i've hacked one before
[23:43] <Tiger^> for my second flight
[23:43] <jcoxon> really good setup
[23:43] <jcoxon> there are of course slugs
[23:43] <jcoxon> get usb2
[23:43] <Tiger^> i use an Asus WL-500G deluxe as a router at home
[23:44] <jcoxon> usb?
[23:44] <Tiger^> 2 usb2
[23:44] <Tiger^> :)
[23:44] <jcoxon> :-D
[23:44] <Tiger^> running OpenWRT with 150 days of uptime
[23:44] <Tiger^> i bought it, i installed OpenWRT, configured it
[23:44] <jcoxon> i have a wap54g running for about that
[23:44] <Tiger^> and that's it
[23:45] <jcoxon> though having only 2mb of flash was difficult
[23:45] <Tiger^> yeah, but they don't have usb
[23:45] <jcoxon> had to hard code everything
[23:45] <jcoxon> oh i know
[23:45] <Tiger^> it's possible to get live video with the ones with usb
[23:45] <Tiger^> a usb webcam + palantir software + wifi
[23:46] <jcoxon> :-D
[23:46] Action: jcoxon is searching ebay for a 1st, 2nd or 3rd gen ipod
[23:46] <Tiger^> i'm concerned with wifi performance at high altitudes though
[23:47] <Tiger^> the power would be more than enough, the doppler shift however can be a killer
[23:47] <jcoxon> i'm definitly going to test that this summer
[23:47] <Tiger^> on the other hand, the guys that did RadioFlier-1 tested it at 160MPH
[23:47] <jcoxon> http://bordelon.net/freespace/
[23:47] <Tiger^> yeah
[23:47] <jcoxon> hehe beat me to it
[23:48] <Tiger^> yeah, my spine probably owes this guys
[23:48] <Tiger^> these
[23:49] <Tiger^> thanks to info on their site i know i'm not going to need a 300 cubic feet helium tank
[23:49] <Tiger^> a 250 cu.f. one will do
[23:54] <jcoxon> grrrr i don't want a new ipod
[23:54] <jcoxon> i want an old crappy one
[23:58] <jcoxon> hehe
[23:58] <jcoxon> they say this is a fault
[23:58] <jcoxon> The iPod is slightly damaged. It works perfectly when plugged into power supply, but when disconnected, refuses to switch off.
[23:58] <jcoxon> i think its a bonus!
[23:58] <Tiger^> nice
[23:58] <Tiger^> unless they mean "switch on"
[23:58] <Tiger^> :>
[23:59] <jcoxon> oh well
[23:59] <jcoxon> will have to see!
[00:00] --- Mon May 8 2006