highaltitude.log.20060413

[00:00] <macfreak4> but have you considered using cell phones as data modems?
[00:00] <jcoxon> not bad at all
[00:00] <jcoxon> yup
[00:00] <jcoxon> gnokii allows them to be a software modem
[00:00] <macfreak4> what do you think?
[00:00] <jcoxon> i got it to work but it was unreliable
[00:00] <jcoxon> would like it to work eventually
[00:00] <jcoxon> perhaps as a way of dialing in after landing to access the whole gps log
[00:02] <macfreak4> how about throughout the trip?
[00:02] <jcoxon> you won't have access
[00:02] <jcoxon> no reception
[00:02] <jcoxon> i lost reception above about 2000m
[00:04] <macfreak4> yea i've been thinking about that whole problem, but then how do people get reception on planes at 30,000+ ft altitude?
[00:04] <macfreak4> (sorry -- dont know exactly what that is in meters)
[00:04] <jcoxon> i know its weird
[00:04] <jcoxon> perhaps it was the phone
[00:04] <jcoxon> it was old
[00:04] <macfreak4> oh heh
[00:04] <macfreak4> :/
[00:04] <jcoxon> but do people actuall get reception on their phones?
[00:05] <macfreak4> the people on the 9/11 planes did
[00:05] <jcoxon> they weren't at 30,000ft
[00:05] <jcoxon> but you do have a point
[00:05] <jcoxon> well its something to explore
[00:06] <macfreak4> i'm going to be using a 7db boost antenna on the balloon anyway, and if I loose reception in the middle of the flight it shouldn't be too catastrophic
[00:06] <macfreak4> at least I plan on it...
[00:06] <jcoxon> i'm using a better phone for Pegasus III
[00:06] <jcoxon> hehe
[00:06] <jcoxon> as long as it works when they payload lands you'll be fine!
[00:07] <jcoxon> really feel someone should launch soon
[00:07] <jcoxon> its been to long since a launch!
[00:08] <macfreak4> ya
[00:08] <macfreak4> oh you're right; in the US it appears that 8000ft is the max
[00:08] <macfreak4> "The only way passengers could have got through to family and friends using their cell phones, is if the planes were flying below 8000 feet"
[00:10] <jcoxon> 8 000 feet = 2 438.4 meters
[00:10] <macfreak4> interesting, the document concludes: "In other words, at least part of the Commission's script in Chapter 1 on the cell phone conversations, is fabricated. "
[00:10] <phatmonkey> satellite phones in the plane?
[00:10] <phatmonkey> anyway, I need sleep
[00:10] <phatmonkey> night
[00:10] <macfreak4> k
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[00:11] <macfreak4> o ok that makes sense... :(
[00:12] <jcoxon> there are ways of boasting signal apparently
[00:12] <jcoxon> but i'm not sure its the best way
[00:12] <jcoxon> I'm looking into boasting wifi
[00:13] <jcoxon> at least further then gsm
[00:13] <jcoxon> the more info we can gather the better predictions of flight path and landing\
[00:15] <macfreak4> lol we both seemed to have come up w/ the wifi idea at the same time, for just after drawing up some ideas on an auto-traking wifi dish, it appeared on your site as well
[00:15] <macfreak4> but its expensive to purchase wifi amplifiers
[00:17] <jcoxon> i've managed to get a grant for 8 weeks this summer to work on a balloon project
[00:17] <jcoxon> will definitly work on a wifi tracking dish
[00:19] <macfreak4> use servos instead of dc motors, if possible
[00:20] <jcoxon> will look into it
[00:20] <jcoxon> (got exams first)
[00:20] <macfreak4> k
[00:25] <jcoxon> right i'm off to bed
[00:26] <jcoxon> good to speak to you
[00:26] <jcoxon> byeeeee
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[23:42] <macfreak4> hi
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