highaltitude.log.20060405

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[09:43] <Kybernetos> heyas
[09:44] <jcoxon> hey
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[11:30] <defy> jcoxon :), hows it going
[11:30] <jcoxon> hey defy
[11:30] <jcoxon> going good thanks
[11:30] <jcoxon> you?
[11:31] <defy> not bad, I managed to get my gyros and servos all working together on the gumstix
[11:31] <defy> http://defy.net/gyroandservo.avi < early days, but its a start
[11:32] <jcoxon> oooo cool
[11:34] <jcoxon> wish i could do some work on pegasus III
[11:34] <jcoxon> really can't do anything till my gumstix arrives
[11:53] <defy> which one did you get?
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[14:47] <jcoxon> hey mark_fiirestone
[14:52] <mark_fiirestone> hello there!
[14:52] <jcoxon> welcome to #highaltitude
[14:52] <mark_fiirestone> nice to "meet" you. I didn't think anyone else here was interested.
[14:52] <mark_fiirestone> thanks. nice to be here
[14:52] <jcoxon> hehe
[14:53] <jcoxon> there are a few of us
[14:53] <mark_fiirestone> (if I disappear it's because my boss is around. stupid boss)
[14:53] <jcoxon> no problem
[14:53] <mark_fiirestone> I went to the local HAM radio club, to try and convert folks, but the average age was about 75
[14:53] <mark_fiirestone> I think I was the youngest person there, and I'm 36
[14:54] <jcoxon> yeah, sadly HAM is a dying hobby
[14:54] <Kybernetos> hey mark_fiirestone
[14:54] <Kybernetos> =)
[14:54] <mark_fiirestone> plus there is some daft reg that says you can't transmit from altitude. what the heck to they think an antenna mast is? I just want to create a 100,000 foot high antenna
[14:54] <jcoxon> hehe
[14:54] <mark_fiirestone> kybernetos -> hi there
[14:54] <jcoxon> there are other ways to communicate
[14:54] <defy> I've only just gotten into ham recently, pretty big community in nz
[14:55] <jcoxon> we just haven't worked out how yet
[14:55] <mark_fiirestone> but I still might get a UK license. My US license expired years ago
[14:55] <mark_fiirestone> well, I was thinking, there are bands that don't require a license... low power though
[14:55] <mark_fiirestone> but with it above your head, with a big enough antenna, it shouldn't matter
[14:55] <jcoxon> true
[14:56] <jcoxon> we've been looking into using other freq
[14:56] <jcoxon> perhaps boosted wifi
[14:57] <mark_fiirestone> that could work. right now, I'm at the collecting equipment stage. I had to lay low for a while, my 15 year old daughter was going teenager nuts for about six months
[14:57] <mark_fiirestone> so now I know every cop in accrington
[14:58] <mark_fiirestone> so, where does everyone live? I'm stuck up north...
[14:58] <jcoxon> east anglia
[14:58] <Kybernetos> jcoxon: i've done some research into that aswell... it's relatively easy to build a targeted wifi antenna which picks up wifi signals many kilometers away... a swedish research balloon managed to maintain some sort of wifi (or similar link) something lik 100 km if i remember correctly......
[14:59] <jcoxon> defy is nz
[14:59] <jcoxon> Kybernetos, oooo cool
[14:59] <mark_fiirestone> ah, that's a bit further than Cambridge :)
[14:59] <Kybernetos> <- sweden
[14:59] <defy> I've wondering about using ham and aprs to keep wifi aligned to something mobile...im sure its possible
[14:59] <jcoxon> http://www.usbwifi.orcon.net.nz/cellbear.jpg
[15:00] <jcoxon> one of my favourite sites hehe
[15:00] <jcoxon> such genius
[15:00] <Kybernetos> defy: that's a really cool idea
[15:00] <mark_fiirestone> i was wondering if a cel phone gprs card would work at altitude. certainly something we could find out... by launching one on a balloon :)
[15:01] <mark_fiirestone> heh heh heh. i lovei t
[15:02] <jcoxon> not sure gprs would work at altitude
[15:02] <jcoxon> i found that gsm doesn't really work about about 1000ft
[15:02] <jcoxon> but if was a terrible phone
[15:03] <mark_fiirestone> jcoxon -> me either, but I intend to find out ... I have some gprs cards laying around, I think (pcmcia cards)
[15:03] <Kybernetos> mark_fiirestone: probably not... it's alot more sensitive to "noise"... and GSM fails as early as ~2000-3000 meters...
[15:03] <mark_fiirestone> that's too bad. what are you doing at the moment? Switching on when it gets below 2000 m?
[15:03] <jcoxon> leave it on
[15:03] <jcoxon> when there is reception it sends
[15:03] <jcoxon> if not it timesout and tries again
[15:04] <mark_fiirestone> akf customer on phone. brb
[15:05] <Kybernetos> mark_fiirestone: i'm planning to use GSM... 9600 is enough to transfer pictures... and maybe even have a "live webcam" where a picture of a few Kb is updated every few seconds... will require the balloon to stay at 2000 meters though. =/
[15:05] <Kybernetos> jcoxon: what timeout did you have for attempts to re-transmit btw?
[15:06] <jcoxon> well the gnokii software has a built in timeout
[15:06] <jcoxon> not really sure
[15:06] <Kybernetos> oki
[15:06] <Kybernetos> =)
[15:09] <Kybernetos> jcoxon: but you haven't used the "robostix" yet, right?
[15:09] <jcoxon> nope
[15:09] <Kybernetos> do you know someone who has?
[15:09] <jcoxon> don't do robotics...
[15:09] <jcoxon> yet
[15:09] <jcoxon> sign up to the gumstix mailing list - they know everything
[15:10] <Kybernetos> oki
[15:10] <defy> indeed the mailing list is one of the best resources
[15:10] <Kybernetos> i'm trying to avoid the whole mailing list situation... ;)
[15:10] <Kybernetos> i always get sucked into those communities, it's sort of an addiction. like balloons.
[15:11] <defy> lol
[15:11] <jcoxon> hehe
[15:12] <mark_fiirestone> heh
[15:12] <Kybernetos> I was planning to use alcohol + water as "releasable weights" for when the helium decreases btw... i thought that would be pretty nice as it doesn't harm or pollute... although getting a working device for it might prove troublesome...
[15:13] <jcoxon> compressed air
[15:13] <mark_fiirestone> i saw someone was trying to get ofcom to change the reg on the aircraft rule... anyone thing they will succeed? I don't know enough about how regulation works here
[15:13] <jcoxon> compress air as ballast
[15:13] <jcoxon> mark_fiirestone, there were a group of hams trying but they seem to have given up
[15:14] <Kybernetos> jcoxon: any thoughts on why that would be easier than water?
[15:14] <jcoxon> nope
[15:14] <jcoxon> hehe
[15:14] <Kybernetos> i thought about compressed gas in another application, but thought the compression container would have to weight too much...
[15:15] <mark_fiirestone> ah, i sent them an email. thats too bad, it would be the easiest way to do it, by far
[15:15] <jcoxon> makes us think!
[15:20] <mark_fiirestone> this is true
[15:20] <jcoxon> if pegasus III is sucesssful
[15:21] <mark_fiirestone> we need to find a unlicenced band that lets you use as much power as possible
[15:21] <jcoxon> i plan a quick turn around and then to test wifi
[15:21] <jcoxon> on pegasus IV with the same equipment
[15:21] <mark_fiirestone> the other thing I wanted as an innovation was a steerable parachute
[15:21] <jcoxon> phatmonkey (who usually comes on later) is a glider man
[15:23] Action: Kybernetos is reading about legal obsticles for crossing country borders with balloons...
[15:23] <jcoxon> hehe
[15:23] <Kybernetos> when i get rich and famous i'm gonna make amateur satellites instead... at 10 km alti, you're always at international airspace.
[15:24] <jcoxon> thats the plan of cambridge nova project
[15:24] <jcoxon> :-D
[15:25] <mark_fiirestone> jcoxon -> really?
[15:25] <mark_fiirestone> wow
[15:25] <jcoxon> yup
[15:25] <mark_fiirestone> how are they going to launch them?
[15:25] <Kybernetos> i'll have to get permission from like 10 different countries' ATC authorities before I can release my balloon btw... as it's gonna be "long duration". Yay, possibly several days of filing international semi-juridical forms.
[15:25] <jcoxon> http://cambridgenovaproject.org
[15:25] <jcoxon> mark_fiirestone, oh they aren't there yet
[15:25] <jcoxon> Kybernetos, thats a lot of work
[15:26] <Kybernetos> jcoxon: did i say 10 km? i think i meant 100. =P
[15:26] <jcoxon> hehe
[15:26] <Kybernetos> yeah
[15:26] <jcoxon> the whole thing though hasn't even started
[15:26] <jcoxon> just been assembling the team
[15:27] <Kybernetos> this balloon project is starting to look more and more like running a company in sweden... paperwork, paperwork, and legal shit.
[15:27] <Kybernetos> =/
[15:27] <jcoxon> perhaps get some techincal stuff done
[15:28] <mark_fiirestone> ill check it out in a few. gotta go fix something. they expect me to work. i think that's very unfair!
[15:28] <jcoxon> hehe
[15:28] <jcoxon> cya mark_fiirestone
[15:28] <Kybernetos> lol
[15:28] <Kybernetos> ciao mark_fiirestone
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[15:39] <Kybernetos> jcoxon: what was your experience with import taxes/VAT when ordering gumstix btw?
[16:03] <jcoxon> ummm
[16:03] <jcoxon> it got shipped by UPS
[16:03] <jcoxon> and they pay VAT for you
[16:03] <jcoxon> then charge you when they deliver it
[16:36] <mark_fiirestone> back
[16:36] <mark_fiirestone> I found a web page about someone experimenting with a simple steerable parachute. I don't want £200 of stuff ending up in the atlantic...
[16:37] <jcoxon> i've had one in the north sea
[16:37] <jcoxon> you might as well go for the glider approach then
[16:38] <jcoxon> think its much easier then a steerable parachute
[16:38] <mark_fiirestone> i saw that on your site. like everything else (except the computer aspects...) I don't know much about parachutes
[16:38] <mark_fiirestone> I saw someone in canada who did that, it looked much harder
[16:38] <mark_fiirestone> are you thinking like a glider glider.. or some sort of para-glider?
[16:39] <jcoxon> oh i'm not going for either
[16:39] <jcoxon> i think a cut down device is the simplest approach
[16:39] <jcoxon> with a basic parachute
[16:40] <jcoxon> have the flight computer compare its gps with a predetermined zone of gps coordinates
[16:40] <jcoxon> if it goes outside them
[16:40] <mark_fiirestone> true. this guy had a servo, and was going to have two shroud lines shorter than the other, so he could vary the shape a bit.
[16:40] <jcoxon> the payload is released
[16:40] <jcoxon> brb
[16:40] <mark_fiirestone> ah. you could still drift off to sea when coming down...
[16:40] <mark_fiirestone> okay
[16:45] <jcoxon> back
[16:45] <jcoxon> of course - but you give a bit of leeway
[16:46] <jcoxon> its never going to be perfect and eventually you're going to have to take a rish
[16:46] <jcoxon> risk*
[16:48] <mark_fiirestone> that's true. www.flybynightaerospace.co.uk is available! I'll have to register it. I've already got flybynightsoftware http://thisistheshit.org/about.asp for my horrible blog software
[16:48] <mark_fiirestone> the logo is appropriate for what I am trying to do
[16:48] <mark_fiirestone> that should be www.thisistheshit.org
[16:48] <mark_fiirestone> sheesh. typing
[16:50] <mark_fiirestone> anyway, i guess the first thing to do is get gps and a computer working. what flight computer are you using?
[16:53] <jcoxon> gumstix
[16:53] <jcoxon> well actually right now i don't have one
[16:53] <jcoxon> fried pegasus I's after the mission
[16:53] <jcoxon> and lost pegasus IIs in the North Sea
[16:54] <jcoxon> though the nice people at gumstix rather like me and are sending me one for free
[16:54] <jcoxon> with the soon to be released daughterboard with gps
[17:00] <jcoxon> though it won't be here for another week or so
[17:00] <jcoxon> :(
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[17:30] <mark_fiirestone> free!! Cool!
[17:31] <mark_fiirestone> I was looking at them. They looked nice and light.
[17:31] <mark_fiirestone> anyway, it's home time. will pop back in later. nice meeting you guys.
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[18:04] <phatmonkey> http://www.digitalantenna.com/
[18:09] <jcoxon> hey phatmonkey
[18:11] <phatmonkey> hey
[18:11] <jcoxon> got a new uk balloonist
[18:11] <jcoxon> hehe are we "balloonists"?
[18:14] <phatmonkey> not
[18:14] <phatmonkey> +sure
[18:15] <phatmonkey> hehe
[18:15] <jcoxon> hehe
[18:15] <phatmonkey> high altitudists?
[18:15] <phatmonkey> I guess balloonists is a tad more catchy
[18:16] <jcoxon> the guy who does : http://www.retrobbs.org/balloon/what.asp?who=thedoctor
[18:16] <jcoxon> is back into it
[18:16] <jcoxon> he was on here earlier
[18:16] <jcoxon> might be back later
[18:18] <jcoxon> also a fan of ours emailed in, he works for a company - www.intermetsystems.com
[18:18] <jcoxon> suggesting working on a wifi tracking base station
[18:19] <jcoxon> like this http://www.intermetsystems.com/IMS1500.htm
[18:19] <jcoxon> though diy built
[18:19] <phatmonkey> ooh
[18:19] <phatmonkey> nice
[18:19] <jcoxon> right i'll be back later
[18:19] <phatmonkey> actually
[18:19] <phatmonkey> I know a guy
[18:19] <phatmonkey> oh ok
[18:20] <phatmonkey> who's into all this satellite stuff
[18:20] <phatmonkey> and he has satellite tracking equipment
[18:20] <phatmonkey> he has a massive dish in his back garden that can track satellites not in a geostationary orbit
[18:20] <phatmonkey> I might chat to him about tracking balloons with satellite dishes....
[18:44] <phatmonkey> jcoxon: I know somebody else who wants a slug
[18:44] <phatmonkey> are you going to pop into staplles when you're there?
[18:44] <phatmonkey> it's worth it for that cheap!
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[19:09] <Death_Star> Hello everyone. Is anyone in here named James?
[19:10] <phatmonkey> hello!
[19:10] <phatmonkey> yep, but he's away
[19:29] <jcoxon> hey
[19:29] <jcoxon> Death_Star, i'm james
[19:36] <Death_Star> hi james, sorry about the delay I am working and am in and out of the office.
[19:36] <Death_Star> did you get my idea of a 802.11 Reciever base station?
[19:36] <jcoxon> yeah
[19:36] <jcoxon> i like it
[19:37] <jcoxon> would it track the balloon?
[19:37] <Death_Star> it would track the 2.4 GHz 802.11 antanna.
[19:38] <jcoxon> right
[19:38] <jcoxon> how?
[19:38] <Death_Star> I know how to machanical build it, but I am no programer
[19:38] <jcoxon> well i can program a little
[19:38] <jcoxon> would it have to calculate the position of the payload by the gps coordinates?
[19:39] <Death_Star> did you get the picture I sent you
[19:39] <Death_Star> ?
[19:39] <jcoxon> yup
[19:39] <Death_Star> this is going to take some time, so bare with me
[19:39] <Death_Star> .
[19:39] <jcoxon> no probs
[19:40] <jcoxon> (sorry for a laborius question)
[19:40] <Death_Star> no problem.
[19:40] <Death_Star> can you watch video where you are?
[19:40] <jcoxon> yup
[19:41] <Death_Star> please hold.
[19:41] <jcoxon> hehe
[19:45] <Death_Star> ok,, I can't send the video to you. So I will try to explain.
[19:46] <jcoxon> okay
[19:47] <Death_Star> The base station is simuler to the the disks that you linked to, but with 5 antennas at the focus point.
[19:47] <jcoxon> right
[19:47] <Death_Star> The center one is the receiving antenna, the other 4 surround that antenna measureing the gain.
[19:48] <jcoxon> okay
[19:49] <jcoxon> do you then compare and adjust?
[19:49] <Death_Star> the software would have to look at it and then compare to the incoming gain. Then it feeds that information to a motor to correct the dish and keep the base station point stright at the transmitting antenna.
[19:49] <jcoxon> so a negative feedback system
[19:49] <jcoxon> not to hard to do
[19:51] <Death_Star> wonderful.
[19:51] <jcoxon> so 5 usb dongle wifis
[19:51] <jcoxon> one in the centre and 4 around
[19:51] <Death_Star> yes
[19:51] <jcoxon> parabolic dish
[19:51] <Death_Star> yes
[19:51] <jcoxon> 2 motors
[19:51] <Death_Star> yes
[19:51] <jcoxon> and a laptop with usb hub
[19:51] <Death_Star> and 2 motor controlers
[19:51] <jcoxon> yup
[19:52] <Death_Star> you are right on top of it
[19:52] <jcoxon> the hard part is getting the gain from the wifi cards
[19:52] <jcoxon> not sure about windows
[19:52] <jcoxon> but the linux support vaires
[19:52] <jcoxon> varies*
[19:52] <Death_Star> a good wifi card should have a diagnostics program and should report gain.
[19:53] <jcoxon> need to access that
[19:53] <jcoxon> and 5 good wireless cards gets expensive :-p
[19:53] <Death_Star> true
[19:53] <Death_Star> but if you build it correctly you sould be able to mount it to a car and chase the thing down
[19:54] <jcoxon> :-D
[19:54] <jcoxon> wonder what the rules are for that...
[19:54] <Death_Star> I love chasing them down,,, good times.
[19:54] <Death_Star> Your in the UK, Right?
[19:54] <jcoxon> yup
[19:54] <jcoxon> so intermetsystems use radio not wifi?
[19:55] <Death_Star> I don't know. In the states we have no problems
[19:55] <Death_Star> yes we use the big stuff here
[19:55] <jcoxon> :-D
[19:55] <jcoxon> can't use radio sadly
[19:56] <Death_Star> do you have a FCC like goverment office?
[19:56] <jcoxon> sort of
[19:56] <jcoxon> OpCom i think
[19:57] <jcoxon> we can't use radio
[19:57] <jcoxon> i've seen the law
[19:57] <Death_Star> brb
[19:57] <jcoxon> no probs
[20:00] <Death_Star> ok back
[20:01] <Death_Star> can I assume that you have public frq's?
[20:01] <Death_Star> like cordless phones, and wifi frq's?
[20:01] <jcoxon> yup
[20:01] <jcoxon> though there will be limits on power i assume
[20:02] <jcoxon> i think wifi is good as the transmitters are easily avaliable
[20:02] <Death_Star> true, but cheap cordless phones could work just as well
[20:02] <jcoxon> true
[20:03] <jcoxon> modems?
[20:03] <Death_Star> the down side being you would need to develope a communication skem, and that could be hard
[20:03] <Death_Star> 802.11 already does that and more
[20:04] <jcoxon> stick to 802.11
[20:04] <jcoxon> b better then g?
[20:05] <Death_Star> I belieave that G has more range (power) then B, but G cost more.
[20:07] <Death_Star> (Question) How are you powering the system in the air?
[20:08] <jcoxon> lithium batteries
[20:08] <jcoxon> gumstix don't require much power
[20:08] <Death_Star> 5 vdc?
[20:09] <jcoxon> 3.4-4.5 i thnk
[20:09] <jcoxon> think*
[20:11] <Death_Star> I don't know much about the gumstix, but does it have usb support
[20:11] <Death_Star> >
[20:11] <Death_Star> ?
[20:12] <jcoxon> not the present version
[20:12] <jcoxon> but the next generation will
[20:14] <Death_Star> so the one you have has no usb port, but you can connect a wifi antenna?
[20:18] <jcoxon> oh there is a way
[20:18] <Death_Star> i am new to the gumstix boards. I need to look at them
[20:19] <jcoxon> was thinking of using something else
[20:19] <Death_Star> "O" what do you have in mind?
[20:19] <jcoxon> either a wrt54g
[20:19] <jcoxon> or a NSLU2 with usb wireless dongle
[20:20] <Death_Star> is this the nic, or the processor?
[20:21] <jcoxon> a wrt54g is a wireless router that runs linux
[20:21] <jcoxon> and an NSLU2 is similar - no wireless but 2 usb 2 ports
[20:22] <jcoxon> small
[20:23] <Death_Star> If you can hack the wrt54g that could work
[20:23] <jcoxon> oh yes
[20:23] <jcoxon> easy
[20:23] <Death_Star> but it is kinda big (size)
[20:23] <jcoxon> well not really
[20:23] <jcoxon> its much smaller then the box
[20:23] <Death_Star> my case my not work. I might have to build a custom one
[20:24] <jcoxon> for pegasus III i'm going to use the old method
[20:24] <jcoxon> if it is successful i'll reuse it and add this
[20:24] <jcoxon> with a bigger balloon
[20:24] <jcoxon> (just got a 500gm balloon
[20:24] <jcoxon> )
[20:24] <Death_Star> nice
[20:24] <jcoxon> perhaps in a train
[20:25] <jcoxon> a seperate compartment
[20:25] <jcoxon> wrt54gs can have a serial port added so stick a gps on
[20:25] <jcoxon> and let it report away
[20:26] <jcoxon> and still have the gumstix working seperatly so if it doesn't work we aren't totally lost
[20:27] <jcoxon> sorry Death_Star i've got to go now
[20:27] <jcoxon> will chat another time
[20:27] <Death_Star> have a great day take care
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[20:41] <phatmonkey> groovy
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[21:12] <robhouse> hi everybody
[21:18] <phatmonkey> hi!
[21:19] <robhouse> I'm going rocket flying this weekend, so I'm gonna try out my bluetooth gps and smartphone.
[21:20] <robhouse> my camera is being weird at the moment though :(
[21:21] <robhouse> I attached leads as needed and it was ok, but know it powers on, takes a picture by itself and then has a fit.
[21:21] <robhouse> Think I might be trying a different one :(
[21:24] <phatmonkey> hmm...
[21:24] <phatmonkey> that's annoying
[21:26] <robhouse> yeah, I thought I might have bridged the shutter connection, but that part is removable and I get the same happening with it removed.
[21:27] <robhouse> I'll pick up a cheap premier or vivitar camera off of Ebay over the weekend.
[21:28] <robhouse> Its the smartphone and gps, that i'm keen to try. If all goes well, i'll be blasting it a few thousand feet on sunday.
[21:33] <phatmonkey> awesome!
[21:33] <phatmonkey> how do you find your rockets?
[21:33] <phatmonkey> just chase after them?
[21:33] <phatmonkey> or radio directional beacon things
[21:34] <robhouse> For lower altitude ones, you can usually track them by sight
[21:34] <robhouse> For higher altitude ones, you can use radio beacons
[21:35] <robhouse> Unfortuantely I don't have all the equipment required to track radio beacons :(
[21:35] <robhouse> Can always borrow it though :)
[21:36] <phatmonkey> I guess the balloon equipment will help if it works!
[21:36] <phatmonkey> hmm
[21:36] <phatmonkey> shall I get a ukhas site up now
[21:36] <phatmonkey> maybe not now, but I'll get something up soon
[21:37] <phatmonkey> bit busy at th emoment
[21:37] <robhouse> cool
[21:37] <robhouse> fair enough
[21:37] <robhouse> what cms where you going to go with?
[21:38] <phatmonkey> not sure
[21:38] <phatmonkey> drupal looked good
[21:38] <phatmonkey> lots of wiki extensions for it too
[21:39] <robhouse> yeah, i've been looking at updating my website with either drupal or modx
[21:40] <robhouse> I did also consider hacking 'gallery2', to make it into a cms, but that would take quite a while to perfect
[21:41] <robhouse> I found a guy in the states, who is selling weather balloons on Ebay. The balloons are around 2200gm!!!
[21:42] <robhouse> thats nearly twice the size of the one used on Pegasus II and elevens times the size of Pegasus I
[21:42] <phatmonkey> crikey
[21:43] <phatmonkey> with a very light package, that's going to go incredible high
[21:43] <robhouse> yeah, depending on how soon the balloon burst
[21:44] <robhouse> the balloon would rise very quickly, but I doubt you'd see much difference in altitude between a small and large payload.
[21:45] <robhouse> However, if the balloon was under-filled then it would be able to expand more before the balloon burst.
[21:46] <phatmonkey> yes
[21:46] <phatmonkey> exactly
[21:49] <robhouse> It would be interesting to see if somebody could get access to a large pressure chamber and test the bursting points of balloons with different amounts of helium.
[21:50] <robhouse> I wonder if Cambridge have anything...
[21:51] <phatmonkey> bit of a waste of balloon
[21:52] <robhouse> yeah :(
[21:52] <phatmonkey> we can just send them up instead with different amounts of helium and weight :)
[21:52] <robhouse> could use small balloons, i'm sure the results would scale
[21:52] <robhouse> hehe
[21:52] <phatmonkey> or just send up loads of them! :D
[21:53] <robhouse> yeah, I like that idea better
[21:53] <robhouse> I need to find a use for the 4 x 30gm balloons I have
[21:53] <phatmonkey> we really need nice reliable communication though
[21:54] <phatmonkey> I know I guy...
[21:54] <phatmonkey> I said above
[21:54] <phatmonkey> one sec
[21:54] <phatmonkey> [18:20] phatmonkey who's into all this satellite stuff
[21:54] <phatmonkey> [18:20] phatmonkey and he has satellite tracking equipment
[21:54] <phatmonkey> [18:20] phatmonkey he has a massive dish in his back garden that can track satellites not in a geostationary orbit
[21:54] <phatmonkey> [18:20] phatmonkey I might chat to him about tracking balloons with satellite dishes....
[21:54] <robhouse> that sounds cool
[21:55] <phatmonkey> I'll mail him now actually
[21:55] <phatmonkey> I might try making a glider straight off actually
[21:55] <phatmonkey> even if it's rather primitive
[21:55] <robhouse> Cool, I've gotta go now.
[21:55] <robhouse> I'll speak to you all soon...
[21:55] <phatmonkey> ok
[21:55] <phatmonkey> see ya
[21:55] <robhouse> bye
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[22:06] <jcoxon> hey phatmonkey
[22:07] <jcoxon> you here still?
[22:07] <phatmonkey> sort of
[22:07] <phatmonkey> need to go in a sec
[22:07] <phatmonkey> I'll email that guy tomorrow
[22:07] <jcoxon> was thinking about ukhas
[22:07] <phatmonkey> mmm?
[22:07] <jcoxon> do you think we should make it europe?
[22:07] <jcoxon> cause then malgar and Kybernetos can be involved
[22:07] <jcoxon> mainly uk
[22:07] <phatmonkey> dunno
[22:08] <phatmonkey> your call
[22:08] <jcoxon> Kybernetos, you there?
[22:08] <jcoxon> perhaps UK with european partners/associates?
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[22:12] <phatmonkey> anywho
[22:12] <phatmonkey> better go
[22:12] <phatmonkey> chat tomorrow
[22:12] <jcoxon> okay
[22:12] <jcoxon> i'll change the topic to ask the question...
[22:12] <jcoxon> cya
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[22:14] Topic changed on #highaltitude by jcoxon!n=jcoxon@81-178-205-225.dsl.pipex.com: Welcome to #highaltitude - discuss anything to do with high altitude projects (balloons, gliders, etc) e.g. http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~jac208/pegasus/ , http://glider.phatmonkey.org.uk/wiki/ or http://www.x-division.com/wiki/index.php/HAARP . Question: Expand UKHAS to europe as well? Would the europeans like to be involved?
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