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[05:49] VK5QI: afternoon [05:49] so a 36" clear Chinese is about 120liters and 36g , so if you put 4 gram of free lift in with a payload of 35g [05:50] it will float at about 5000m with an internal pressure of 0,360 psi which will be on the safe side if you will run a cutdown [05:58] SA6BSS-Mike: tested with a regulated usb power supply [05:58] so, the 3volt you say , what was that, solar cells? [05:58] ah, ok [05:58] i had it on 2V on that power sup [05:59] but I can't get it to work using 39x39 cells anyway, 6 smaller cells are insufficient current [05:59] 39x39 are tripple what you need to run it [05:59] yeah in terms of surface, they are small [05:59] so i will be sticking to the 79xwhatever [06:00] I have mnine run at 6 10x52 [06:00] LazyLeopard (~irc-clien@chocky.lazyleopard.org.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [06:00] and the soldering is like: -[cell]+ -[cell]+ -[cell]+ [06:00] but ofthen at an high solar angle like 25-30, but I have it go from 13° solar with 19x39 [06:01] so thast the best combo imho [06:01] LazyLeopard (~irc-clien@chocky.lazyleopard.org.uk) joined #highaltitude. [06:01] so always 6 cells right ? [06:02] yes, for simplicety, 4 39x19 and a charge boost works as well but arround 20° solar start up [06:02] let me find the charge boost [06:02] you mean a supercap ? [06:04] no, voltage doubler with a ldo [06:04] https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005003652084886.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.18ff5073d36iZo&algo_pvid=9dfdc333-9bbc-4b39-8721-76c091f7e599&algo_exp_id=9dfdc333-9bbc-4b39-8721-76c091f7e599-25&pdp_ext_f=%7B%22sku_id%22%3A%2212000026657590888%22%7D&pdp_pi=-1%3B19.66%3B-1%3B-1%40salePrice%3BSEK%3Bsearch-mainSearch [06:05] have you placed this on the pcb design or do you just stick it on the top? [06:05] I belive you have the pcb with place for this, nits near the isp pinhead [06:05] okay i will check on few things including the solars [06:05] will get back to you later [06:05] one sec [06:06] also no need to get a pressure tester, you can just simply runa ca 30cm watercolumn for 0,400 psi [06:06] but more later if your ina hurry [06:07] i will have some time today to play with solars, working from home [06:07] have now 6 39x39 cells under a halo lamp [06:07] how many watt? [06:08] it's chinese, doesn't say on the box but quite bright [06:08] a random lamp I've found :) [06:08] pic? [06:08] or link [06:10] https://pasteboard.co/jUv9r2EsZOTr.jpg [06:11] about 100w probably [06:11] max 130 [06:11] https://pasteboard.co/KFjLe79GVRPe.jpg [06:12] ok, I use 400w and I know 300w works , no idea how the lower wattage will work out [06:12] damn :) [06:13] look at you local hw store, they are arround 15E , problem is to find them as eveything goes Led [06:14] https://imgur.com/laW22Kt [06:15] yep saw that one [06:15] okay going to do some work and return to testing before lunch [06:15] tack! [06:15] roger! [06:16] my desk is a MESS [06:16] https://pasteboard.co/rE0UCJ7RFbkj.jpg [06:16] :) they tend to go that way when in middel of testing [06:17] in the middle there's a blue led usb thing a regulated power supply set to 2V and next to the double side tape at the bottom there's the ict [06:19] what do you want to test with 2V to the board? [06:20] so, if you want to test, try put the 100W halogen closer to the cells, to keep them from getting really warm put a fan inbetween [06:21] it can be a bad DC messing it up for you, try antother PS [06:37] i basically tried to test the BOD and your hypothesis on the tcxo [06:37] but it seems to do well on 2V, except haven't tested the GPS [06:37] for GPS I have a wire soldered on the GPS TX pin [06:37] yes, many tcxo runs from 1,8v [06:38] so I can actually see the GPS data at 9600baud [06:40] simple test is to get 2 R6 AA batteries, connect it to the board outside and grab your hackrf and listen if it starts under open sky [06:50] yeah i have done that with usb power bank [06:51] and its working? [06:53] yeah, I have like 4 of them, one gps is dead but no problem with fixed voltage [06:53] i mostly test it with the isp on 3.3v [06:55] what fuses do you use? [06:55] and what xo speed for the 328? [06:56] mine is 8mhz [06:57] i really need to understand if I need 300w to get the 6x 39x39 to work because it doesn't seem to be the case right now [06:57] so I can either fly with the 79mm [06:57] or do some more digging :) [06:58] you can try if any change if using DE D9 FE or FD D9 FE but doubt it [06:58] using a gps repeater ? [06:59] gps test on the phone shows good signal [06:59] tried to simulate gps on the hackrf :) [06:59] but not yet success [07:00] halo's are out of stock in local stores [07:00] that works but not really the "real" deal good for simulating flightmode of gps and no tx zoones [07:00] ok, look at second hand sites [07:01] 39x39 is HUGE shoudl give superlow solar angle startup [07:09] New position from 03W5KUB-110 after 0315 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W5KUB-110 [07:11] New position from 03SP6HD-4FSK after 0318 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP6HD-4FSK [07:22] New position from 03BZ3a after 0316 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BZ3a [07:33] Chrischan (~Chrischan@ip5f5afc15.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) joined #highaltitude. [07:37] https://pasteboard.co/9E8UhO6SpC8D.jpg [07:38] 2.7V from solars, no signal [07:38] 2V from usb regulated - all works [07:41] 2V regulated how you get the gps to run? [07:42] 2.7V on the cells is this with the board connect ? [07:43] gps is not yet tested [07:43] i am trying to spin up the si5351 [07:43] 2.7 is a bit low, it should be a fair bit over 3.5 [07:43] so those 6 cells should do 3.5 ? [07:43] 0,6v each [07:43] rr [07:44] when idle they go 0.5v from this halo lamp [07:44] try messur over each cell, one is probably shorted [07:44] https://pasteboard.co/ibYcNZcyNci8.jpg [07:45] see the hackrf and the signal from the board [07:45] it wakes up at 2V no problem [07:46] so means both si5351 and tcxo work just fine [07:46] yes, but the gps need some headroom to the 2,7V minimum to run well [07:46] indeed [07:46] Chrischan (~Chrischan@ip5f5afc15.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 250 seconds [07:46] so, make sure you have the correct volatge over the cells, if you have any sun today take it outside and messure [07:47] aim the Halo to the cells and messure ecross eaxh to make sure no bad cell [07:47] right, so the gps actually turns on before the si5351 in the code [07:48] yes, as the board need gps before it starts to tx [07:48] yes but I can tx the CW beacon before, no need for gps to do that :) [07:48] or in you code it first radio on cw, radio off, gps on [07:48] allright so in my code line 73 is cw(call) [07:49] then line 75 only GPS VCC on [07:49] so technically it should not drain voltage to gps [07:49] https://github.com/kareiva/ICT-v5-ATGM336/blob/main/ICT-v5-ATGM336.ino#L73 [07:49] sequnce, gps off -raion on - cw -radio off - gps on [07:49] so I believe it is like that now [07:49] but with solars, i can't get even to CW [07:50] ok have a meeting now, then go for individual cell testing [07:51] looks like you have the power to the radio off before you start cw ? [07:52] ah, no its moved to cw bit [07:52] cw routine does that part [07:52] yep [07:52] it is actually just powering on and off the carrier [07:53] concentrate ont eh solar setup [07:53] something fishy there [07:53] code is likley just fine [07:53] as I have ran it here on solar, [07:54] I will load the code into one of my board and doulble sheck [08:14] all cells are 0.55V [08:14] 0.54-0.55 [08:15] nothing suspicious [08:15] Im having problem as well with your code on solar power [08:15] okay so I've messed up something [08:15] :) Im on it :) [08:16] haven't changed anything in the startup routine except the CW so probably it's out there [08:19] ly1bwb (~ly1bwb@b14.vu.lt) joined #highaltitude. [08:26] SA6BSS-Mike1 (~SA6BSS-Mi@h-158-174-59-199.A357.priv.bahnhof.se) joined #highaltitude. [08:28] SA6BSS-Mike (~SA6BSS-Mi@h-158-174-59-199.A357.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 250 seconds [08:29] SA6BSS-Mike (~SA6BSS-Mi@h-158-174-59-199.A357.priv.bahnhof.se) joined #highaltitude. [08:30] SA6BSS-Mike2 (~SA6BSS-Mi@h-158-174-59-199.A357.priv.bahnhof.se) joined #highaltitude. [08:32] SA6BSS-Mike1 (~SA6BSS-Mi@h-158-174-59-199.A357.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [08:33] New position from 03BZ-LORA-6 after 035 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BZ-LORA-6 [08:33] SA6BSS-Mike (~SA6BSS-Mi@h-158-174-59-199.A357.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [08:49] everything at once, internet acting up as well as mu uncle calling his tv box is acting up [08:49] but now its txing have to cross reference a few things first [08:51] SA6BSS-Mike2: what about 2 balloons with 35g payload? [08:51] lets see.... [08:53] still same free lift, 4g, you get safly to 7500m [08:53] 4 gram free lift in each that is [08:54] calclutaled half the payload weigh as 16 gram [08:54] on each balloon [08:59] SA6BSS-Mike2: any rough idea what could be wrong? i'm testing it too [09:00] Im looking at the WDT function Sodaq [09:00] removed all sodaq_wdt_reset(); it started to tx wspr [09:01] Il put the wdt back again , lets see if the problem is back [09:02] ok, Il also set the the wdt in Beep routine its working [09:02] so only add watchdog to cw [09:02] digitalWrite(2, LOW); // Si5351 off digitalWrite(4, LOW); digitalWrite(5, LOW); digitalWrite(6, LOW); digitalWrite(7, LOW); sodaq_wdt_reset(); [09:03] yes [09:03] last in the beep void [09:03] i need to study this sodaq deeper [09:03] thank you [09:04] I have an alternative wdt routine but i have flown the Sodaq (before Beep.h) and it woked fine [09:04] https://github.com/kareiva/ICT-v5-ATGM336/pull/4/files [09:04] yes [09:04] you've forgot you already told me this [09:04] :)) [09:04] and i've forgot to merge it in [09:04] no, I remeber I mentioned it to you 6 weeks ago :) [09:05] i'm laughing at myself now a bit :) [09:05] now, lets see if it ork on your side [09:05] *work [09:06] on it [09:06] roger [09:06] SA6BSS-Mike2 (~SA6BSS-Mi@h-158-174-59-199.A357.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:11] doesn't seem to have any effect [09:11] but well, one step at a time [09:11] let me try to put a supercap of 2.7V [09:13] SA6BSS-Mike (~SA6BSS-Mi@h-158-174-59-199.A357.priv.bahnhof.se) joined #highaltitude. [09:20] New position from 03K6RPT-11 after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K6RPT-11 [09:37] my halo sun might be too weak [09:39] try remove all the sodaq rutines [09:43] chris_99 (uid26561@id-26561.lymington.irccloud.com) joined #highaltitude. [09:43] ly2en: https://pastebin.com/TA0wy6Wc [09:43] that the wdt I use at prese [09:43] nt [09:50] i actually get a few dits at the start [09:51] like instead .-.. -.-- ..--- . -. i get: [09:51] .-. [silence] [09:51] but the tcxo is rock solid stable [09:51] so must be a code problem [09:52] this sodaq is not quite well documented [09:54] so, just remov all sodaq and upload [09:54] replace or remove ? [09:54] will try removing first [09:54] remove for starters [10:01] New vehicle on the map: 03TA2MUN-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=TA2MUN-11 [10:02] removed, looked better at the start [10:02] New position from 03K5WH-88 after 0316 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K5WH-88 [10:02] but cut off the last cw char [10:04] then could be the Halo is to weak [10:04] i see now voltage dropping so maybe it turns on more stuff [10:04] kind of goes up and down, need to use the scope maybe [10:06] how close are you to the lamp? on the pic its quite long between them [10:06] does it hlwp if you puts the cells closer to the lamp? [10:06] *help [10:06] in terms of voltage, getting it less than 10cm kind of helps [10:07] but no effect to the beacon [10:07] ok [10:26] also the high temp might be impacting the soldering points [10:26] i hear the tab wire make a tiny sound :) [10:28] yeah, the heas is not good for the cell output [10:31] PC4L_hab (~PC4L-Marc@host-4sl28h.gs1.zeelandnet.nl) joined #highaltitude. [10:35] PC4L (~PC4L-Marc@host-p2o146n2h54maqp8h0.pdv6.gs1.zeelandnet.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [10:57] the underlying polystyrene just melted [10:57] solved a removal problem for me :) [11:52] New vehicle on the map: 03Dh8dc_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Dh8dc_chase [13:28] OZ1SKY_Brian (~OZ1SKY@77.33.12.54.dhcp.fibianet.dk) joined #highaltitude. [14:06] PE2BZ (~pe2bz@141.224.228.75) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:20] SA6BSS-Mike1 (~SA6BSS-Mi@h-158-174-59-199.A357.priv.bahnhof.se) joined #highaltitude. [14:22] SA6BSS-Mike (~SA6BSS-Mi@h-158-174-59-199.A357.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [14:29] New position from 03NOB11 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=NOB11 [14:29] New vehicle on the map: 03SP6SK-4FSK - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP6SK-4FSK [14:42] New vehicle on the map: 03W3UAV-13 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W3UAV-13 [14:43] PE2BZ (~pe2bz@141.224.228.75) joined #highaltitude. [14:43] SA6BSS-Mike1: maybe i have too few surface soldered to the cells, therefore low current [14:43] i will resolder the tab wire end2end [14:50] YO9GJX (~YO9GJX@109.100.112.132) joined #highaltitude. [14:58] wab_yi3whr (~wab_yi3wh@89.46.201.35) joined #highaltitude. [15:02] wab_yi3whr (~wab_yi3wh@89.46.201.35) left irc: Client Quit [15:31] qyx (~qyx@gw2.krtko.org) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:50] JoHarKey (~UA1ZGK@188.170.87.190) joined #highaltitude. [16:28] New vehicle on the map: 03KF0GOR-12 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KF0GOR-12 [16:33] gb73d (gb73d@host-92-7-42-10.as13285.net) joined #highaltitude. [16:42] qyx (~qyx@gw2.krtko.org) joined #highaltitude. [16:53] https://pasteboard.co/pe18Z1IkxfH5.jpg [16:54] took this for testing [16:54] cool, tell me the result! [16:54] 375w equivalenr [16:55] yeah, sounds resonable, the 400w Halo is 8500Lumen [16:55] 4000k colour [16:55] so should be in the sunny range [16:56] sounds guus in theory, but noone I know have reall got them to work as well as the Halogen [16:56] so, it will be interesting! [16:56] if it doesn't work, it's a damn lamp anyway, will put it to use somewhere :) [16:57] indeed, some floodlight is always good to have at home [16:57] but i suspect the tabwire is the issue [16:57] working at home on in the garage [16:57] I solder just a few mm on each side of the cell [16:58] so, messure across each cell so you can rule out shorts [16:58] i did that too but will try to see if there is any difference [17:06] JoHarKey (~UA1ZGK@188.170.87.190) left irc: Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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