[00:02] LazyLeopard (~irc-clien@chocky.lazyleopard.org.uk) left irc: Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com [00:23] sumie-dh (~sumie-dh@78.108.102.220) joined #highaltitude. [00:59] matt|home (~matt@adsl-74-233-58-91.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:18] sumie-dh (~sumie-dh@78.108.102.220) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [01:53] Matt|home (~matt@adsl-74-233-58-97.mia.bellsouth.net) joined #highaltitude. [02:54] New position from 03W5KUB-108 after 0317 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W5KUB-108 [03:06] aOf_ (~DarkoAOF@95-178-157-112.dsl.optinet.hr) joined #highaltitude. [03:08] aOf (~DarkoAOF@95-178-156-74.dsl.optinet.hr) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [03:12] aOf (~DarkoAOF@95-178-159-64.dsl.optinet.hr) joined #highaltitude. [03:14] aOf_ (~DarkoAOF@95-178-157-112.dsl.optinet.hr) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [04:02] New position from 03WB0URW-15 after 0316 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WB0URW-15 [05:28] New position from 03SA6BSS-8 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SA6BSS-8 [05:34] _Token (~Token@2604:2d80:ee82:9900:70f0:e46d:4fa3:d87a) joined #highaltitude. [05:35] Token (~Token@173.29.19.242) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:36] _Token_ (~Token@173.29.19.242) joined #highaltitude. [05:39] _Token (~Token@2604:2d80:ee82:9900:70f0:e46d:4fa3:d87a) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [05:49] ok, latest horus-gui will point a rotctld or pstrotator rotator :-) [06:03] Kodar (~Kodar@93-142-58-250.adsl.net.t-com.hr) joined #highaltitude. [06:20] New position from 03DG4NOB-7 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DG4NOB-7 [06:28] g0hdi (~g0hdi@host86-180-112-7.range86-180.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [06:28] g0hdi (~g0hdi@host86-180-112-7.range86-180.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Client Quit [06:31] New position from 03KD2FOU-11 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD2FOU-11 [06:33] New position from 03SA6BSS-7 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SA6BSS-7 [07:15] Chrischan_2 (~Chrischan@ip5f5afc15.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [07:19] Chrischan (~Chrischan@ip5f5afc15.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) joined #highaltitude. [07:30] New position from 03K6RPT-14 after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K6RPT-14 [08:02] YO9GJX (~YO9GJX@109.100.112.132) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:20] New position from 03SQ6NLN-4FSK after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SQ6NLN-4FSK [08:31] PE2BZ (~pe2bz@141.224.228.75) joined #highaltitude. [09:14] Chrischan_ (~Chrischan@ip5f5afc15.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) joined #highaltitude. [09:17] New vehicle on the map: 03SP9DEV-13 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP9DEV-13 [09:27] New position from 03SP6QKM-4FSK after 0320 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP6QKM-4FSK [09:29] New vehicle on the map: 03SP6ZWR-4FSK - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP6ZWR-4FSK [09:30] New vehicle on the map: 03SQ6RQT-4FSK - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SQ6RQT-4FSK [09:30] New vehicle on the map: 03SP9DEV-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP9DEV-11 [09:30] New vehicle on the map: 03SP9DEV-12 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP9DEV-12 [09:30] New vehicle on the map: 03SQ6NLN-12 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SQ6NLN-12 [09:34] New position from 03SP6QKM-12 after 0311 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP6QKM-12 [09:38] New vehicle on the map: 03SP6ZWR-12 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP6ZWR-12 [09:39] poland launchathon! [09:41] LazyLeopard (~irc-clien@chocky.lazyleopard.org.uk) joined #highaltitude. [09:48] New vehicle on the map: 03SP6TO_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP6TO_chase [09:55] New vehicle on the map: 03PD5MF-4FSK - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PD5MF-4FSK [09:59] sumie-dh (~sumie-dh@91.146.121.5) joined #highaltitude. [10:00] New vehicle on the map: 03SQ6ODL-12 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SQ6ODL-12 [10:16] ZeeDownUnder (~ZeeDownUn@61-245-131-229.3df583.per.nbn.aussiebb.net) joined #highaltitude. [10:21] Hi, does habhub have a way for me to query a particular payload and return it's data in JSON format?  The parser logtail is close to what I would like, but I'd rather be able to just run a query . [10:24] Suterusu (~EyeR@Morrigan.Armed.Me.Uk) joined #highaltitude. [10:34] New vehicle on the map: 03SR9KFZ-2 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SR9KFZ-2 [11:00] @ [11:02] ZeeDownUnder Yes - e.g. http://legacy-snus.habhub.org/tracker/datanew.php?mode=Position&type=positions&format=json&max_positions=10&vehicles=TTGO [11:13] Perfect, many thanks daveake [11:13] np [11:13] also via /ept/ [11:13] though datanew is the 'correct' way to get it [11:14] if you are trying to extract data for a particular flight, then habitat.habhub.org/ept/ is probably the most user-friendly way [11:14] datanew is more oriented towards what the tracker needs, and there's a bit of an abstraction layer between datanew.php and the actual habitat database [11:17] ZeeDownUnder: are you in the WAFreeNet Discord? [11:17] Just trying to write a little bit of software to calculate AZ/EL values for our hand tracked ground station. Just need a quick and dirty way to figure out which way to point the yagis [11:17] I am [11:17] if there's a horus binaery payload on the flight, then horus-gui gives you that info [11:18] and will even point a computer-controlled rotator, if you cna get one [11:18] https://raw.githubusercontent.com/projecthorus/horus-gui/master/doc/horusgui_screenshot.png [11:18] az/el obviously crap in that example, but the info is there [11:18] There will be as a backup source, but we are using flextrak as the main source. [11:19] on 915 mhz? [11:19] lool [11:19] you'll get far better range and reliability with the 4fsk payload [11:19] but fine [11:20] Re the al/ez, Phil Crump wrote a Python script to do that [11:20] yeah, its been done a heap of times [11:20] Oh I know, but we have the hardware. Short of replacing the Hoperf modules. [11:20] It probably needs the URL updated after snus disappeared [11:20] i've written it at least 3 tims now [11:20] times* [11:20] lol [11:21] Only recently I wrote some code, and halfway thru thought I'd done it before. Which I had. [11:21] one for some command line crap i wrote years back, then second when i first did the horus ground station code, then most recently when adding it to horus-gui (though i copied code from the horus ground station stuff) [11:21] i keep using the same position_info function though :P [11:21] :) Code reuse ftw [11:22] actually i just realised, this https://github.com/projecthorus/horus_utils/wiki#habitat-bridge plus this https://github.com/projecthorus/horus_utils/wiki#rotatorgui possibly does the job [11:22] though its across multiple programs.... and i'm not sure its all working anymore :P [11:22] wasnt there a program called habrotate or something like that [11:23] https://github.com/philcrump/habrotate [11:23] https://philcrump.co.uk/HABrotate [11:23] snap [11:23] :) [11:23] Yes that's the one I mentioned [11:23] Thanks, I will take a look into it. [11:24] ahh uses pstrotator [11:24] ZeeDownUnder: also... the tracker itself tells you az/el to the payload [11:24] if you haven't noticed [11:25] if your position is set on the tracker, then at the top right it shows the bearing and elevation of the payload [11:26] so.. your solution might just be to open the tracker page from somethign that can provide location services, then click on your payload and look at the top-right of the map.. [11:26] if you want to computer control something, then sure go write some code, but if you're just manually pointing it, then thats probably all you need [11:27] My HAB Base does it also [11:27] No, I hadn't noticed before, but I do block location services so that's probably why.  Looks like that would solve it for us. Very nice [11:27] cool [11:31] ZeeDownUnder: what power is your flextrak set to [11:33] the problem with the 915 mhz band in australia is that if you want to be LIPD class-license compliant, you are limited to 3mW, unless you are frequency hopping [11:33] (in which case the limit is 1W) [11:35] though it kind of depends on the reading of the LIPD class license... [11:36] there's this nebulous entry in there for 'digital modulation transmitters' that provides a 1W limit... but a peak power spectral density of 25 mW per 3kHz... which for LoRa... dunno? [11:38] Can't remember, don't have the config in front of me right now. [11:40] a conservative estimate of that peak power density, especially in the slower lora modes would be... 25mW limit [11:41] the LoRa signal has symbols that are basically full sweeps over the full configured bandwidth, the symbol value is encoded in the frequency/timing offset [11:41] yeah, but it talks about peak spectral density per 3 khz [11:42] if thats meant to be instantaneous peak, then that would be when that sweep is located within that 3khz [11:42] i think the majority of systems that operate in that band just use frequency hopping anyway.. [11:46] I meant to say that LoRa has nearly perfect distribution of power over the bandwidth, so if you have a 10 mW LoRa signal in 10 kHz, that's 1 mW/kHz [11:48] bertrik: averaged over time, yes [11:48] for the slower modes you can *hear* the sweeping [11:49] the problem is the class license just says 'peak power density'. it doesn't talk about any time averaging [11:50] so, given LoRa is swept CW, if you take that peak power density at some instant in time, then that's... a CW signal [11:51] of course you could make similar arguments about other modulations too, but with LoRa, especially at the slower rates, it's a bit more obvious [11:52] yes, you're right I guess, in principle it's a simple waveform, just swept carrier with constant amplitude [11:54] literally all the legislation says is "The radiated peak power spectral density in any 3 kHz must not exceed 25 mW per 3 kHz." [11:55] also that's EIRP, not power into antenna. so if you start adding antenna gain, e.g. for an uplink... [11:55] more reasons why most systems use frequency hopping... then they can at least do 1W [11:59] Hazza (~Haxxa@203-123-96-204.ip4.superloop.com) left irc: Quit: Haxxa flies away. [12:00] YO9GJX (~YO9GJX@109.100.112.132) joined #highaltitude. [12:19] PD2RVK (~PD2RVK@vh007.spaceserver.net) left irc: Quit: . [12:23] Haxxa (~Haxxa@203-123-96-204.ip4.superloop.com) joined #highaltitude. [12:25] !dial pd5mf-4fsk [12:25] 03PE2BZ: Can't find a flight doc matching your query [12:26] ZeeDownUnder (~ZeeDownUn@61-245-131-229.3df583.per.nbn.aussiebb.net) left irc: Quit: Client closed [13:09] New vehicle on the map: 03MAXHD-4FSK-mobil_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MAXHD-4FSK-mobil_chase [13:34] Haxxa (~Haxxa@203-123-96-204.ip4.superloop.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [13:46] New vehicle on the map: 03K6RPT-15 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K6RPT-15 [13:48] Haxxa (~Haxxa@202-130-210-100.ip4.superloop.com) joined #highaltitude. [13:51] OZ1SKY_Brian (~OZ1SKY@77.33.12.54.dhcp.fibianet.dk) joined #highaltitude. [14:03] New position from 03SP9SKP after 039 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP9SKP [14:23] Nick change: _Token_ -> Token [14:41] !dial pd5mf-4fsk [14:41] 03PE2BZ: Latest dials for 03PD5MF-4FSK 10(6bc4): 03437.6 MHz, 437.5998 MHz, 437.60165 MHz [15:00] New position from 03NOB9 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=NOB9 [15:20] OZ1SKY_Brian (~OZ1SKY@77.33.12.54.dhcp.fibianet.dk) left irc: Quit: Please pause the radiowaves ! [15:35] New position from 03SP3IZN-4FSK after 036 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP3IZN-4FSK [16:18] New position from 03PE2BZ-V2 after 0321 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PE2BZ-V2 [16:20] New vehicle on the map: 034FSKTEST-V2 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=4FSKTEST-V2 [16:25] PD2RVK (~PD2RVK@vh007.spaceserver.net) joined #highaltitude. [16:25] Nick change: PD2RVK -> Guest4120 [16:41] gb73d (gb73d@host-92-7-42-10.as13285.net) joined #highaltitude. [17:52] New position from 03VORTEX1 after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VORTEX1 [17:53] New vehicle on the map: 03W5kub_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W5kub_chase [17:54] New position from 03DG4NOB-13 after 038 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DG4NOB-13 [17:59] New position from 034FSKTEST after 0318 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=4FSKTEST [18:39] Chrischan_ (~Chrischan@ip5f5afc15.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [18:58] New position from 03NOB11 after 0315 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=NOB11 [19:15] Haxxa (~Haxxa@202-130-210-100.ip4.superloop.com) left irc: Quit: Haxxa flies away. [19:17] Haxxa (~Haxxa@202-130-210-100.ip4.superloop.com) joined #highaltitude. 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