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[03:31] New vehicle on the map: 03SITS-0 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SITS-0 [03:33] Haxxa (~Harrison@202-142-138-13.cust.wide.net.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [03:34] Haxxa (~Harrison@202-142-138-13.cust.wide.net.au) joined #highaltitude. [03:53] Haxxa (~Harrison@202-142-138-13.cust.wide.net.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [03:55] tweetBot (~nodebot@philcrump.co.uk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:55] tweetBot (~nodebot@philcrump.co.uk) joined #highaltitude. [03:56] Haxxa (~Harrison@202-142-138-13.cust.wide.net.au) joined #highaltitude. [04:07] Haxxa (~Harrison@202-142-138-13.cust.wide.net.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [04:09] Haxxa (~Harrison@202-142-138-13.cust.wide.net.au) joined #highaltitude. [04:46] New position from 03ICT5 after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ICT5 [05:29] Kodar (~Kodar@93-142-96-202.adsl.net.t-com.hr) joined #highaltitude. 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[06:57] Vaisala departure stations https://tracker.sondehub.org/?sondehub=1#!mt=satellite&mz=17&qm=All&mc=60.28216,24.87886&f=RS_S2640497&q=RS_S2640497 [07:01] New position from 03SA6BSS/AM after 0323 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SA6BSS%2FAM [07:09] New vehicle on the map: 03SA6BSS-7 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SA6BSS-7 [07:17] New vehicle on the map: 03DELTA-5L - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DELTA-5L [07:17] New position from 03DELTA-5R after 0310 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DELTA-5R [07:21] Darkside might be able to test, i see sa6bss launched [07:21] kedidie (~kedidie@ptr-4inhh45t3cqd4nl599.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be) joined #highaltitude. [07:22] !dial sa6bss/am [07:22] 03OZ1SKY_Brian: There are no flights currently :( [07:32] New vehicle on the map: 03SP9DEV - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP9DEV [07:33] New vehicle on the map: 03SP9DEV-12 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP9DEV-12 [07:33] -7 preicted initial flight path http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=65403b676853ecb20842cf0e301db772df133e52 [07:34] Nick change: newbie -> SA6BSS-Mike [07:51] Darkside ok maybe not, sa6bss say its xor checksum [07:53] ON4AUB (51f6c7e5@229.199-246-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) joined #highaltitude. [07:59] OZ1SKY_Brian: yeah i dont ever plan on supporting XOR checksum [08:00] it shouldnt ever be used [08:03] well it does decode some [08:03] $$$$SA6B[S/AM,83,0x:03:12,5w<6.589,01422.64y,5271.5,=2.1*6A [08:03] the CRCs will all fail of course [08:04] actually need to check why its passing through sentences that fail CRC at all [08:04] it say its not [08:05] 10:03:40 [ERROR] Decode Failed: Could not parse RTTY Sentence - CRC Fail. [08:06] decode looks right [08:06] DL-FLDIGI: $$$$SA6BSS/AM,17,08:05:34,5745.926,01428.635,5418.6,-0.5*6E [08:07] ah damn its gone from horus [08:07] better CP from hours first next time [08:07] heh [08:07] HOURS: $$$SA6BSS/AM,22,08:07:28,5745.34=,01430.295,5609.2,-3.4*6B [08:08] well that woudl have failed CRC regardless [08:08] yes it does [08:08] LazyLeopard (~irc-clien@chocky.lazyleopard.org.uk) joined #highaltitude. [08:08] but the low level modem is looking for CRC16s, not XOR checksums [08:08] xor checksums result in far too many false positives [08:08] but we know the RTTY decoder works [08:09] yeah [08:09] i mean, I had tested it :-) [08:10] i have not :-) [08:11] i set the Mask Estim, should that not keep the tone space locked or? [08:11] ehhhhhhh [08:11] its meant to [08:11] or what is it for? [08:11] but i think its not functioning correctly [08:11] need to look into that a bit more [08:11] ok it jumps around [08:11] tbh its not required at high SNR [08:12] it only really helps when the signal is *really* low SNR, far lower than RTTY will ever decode reliably [08:12] here on the outher rim we only work with LOW SNR [08:12] there's low and there's low :P [08:12] the fact you're getting decodes at all means its not *that* low [08:13] hours say -15 -16 with not signals [08:13] not=no [08:14] with rtty its -6 to -8 [08:14] the mask estimator was designed for a future modem that would work around the -12 dB SNR (in 3 kHz) mark [08:15] ah ok i see [08:15] how about a "Latest Packet (SNR): [08:15] just an idea [08:15] that means knowing the time frame the packet was received over [08:15] i guess its possible [08:16] just brainstorming [08:16] i mean, the horus UDP export just picks the SNR when the packet was received and emits that [08:16] which is close enough [08:17] just to get an idea if its betting better or not, not a scientific reading [08:17] i mean you can just look at the graph [08:17] ah i havent seen anything in that yet, so was not paying attention :-) [08:17] hrm [08:18] interesting [08:18] wait something now, [08:18] i mean, the graphs scale bottoms out at -10 dB, if you're getting SNRs of -15 dB with no signal then you'll see nothing in the graph [08:19] since sa6bss is only transmitting a few times a min, it rolled out of the windows before next tx, so didnt see it untill now [08:19] ahh right [08:19] i do see it now [08:19] need to get SA6BSS-Mike to either add a CRC16, or implement horus binary :P [08:21] https://pasteboard.co/JhqPOxy.png [08:22] heh, not much signal there! [08:22] New vehicle on the map: 03DELTA-SSDV - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DELTA-SSDV [08:22] as i said, outer rim :-) [08:22] still -0.2deg here [08:23] and alot of drift in the rtty [08:23] New vehicle on the map: 03SITS-2 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SITS-2 [08:23] so its a problem to keep up and the hours also have problems with the auto space [08:23] tone space [08:23] drift in frequency should be coped with... up to a point [08:23] a lock function would be good [08:24] for RTTY, if the SNR isnt high enough for the automatic frequency estimator to work, then its not high enough to decode reliably [08:24] Lahti (~Lahti@dyvyphdlyqv5jzxvtf06t-4.rev.dnainternet.fi) left irc: Quit: Lähdössä [08:24] ok [08:25] there are situations where the mask estimator may help like in situations where there are some interefering signals in the band [08:25] so i will try and figure out what is going with the mask estimator [08:26] but im not sure turning it on will give the performance improvements you might be expecting [08:27] no dl-fldigi also got problems [08:27] drift and ism crap at the same time here [08:28] what kind of drift do you mean? [08:28] freq drift [08:28] on the tx [08:28] wobble [08:28] while transmissing? [08:28] ah [08:29] yeah thats not easy to deal with. the frequency estimator will try its best, but if its more than a few Hz/sec it will have a hard time keeping up [08:29] https://pasteboard.co/JhqT7a3.png [08:29] there are some settings deep within the modem that can be tweaked to make it perform a little bit better in those situations, but at the cost of performance in other situations [08:29] oh wow [08:29] thats *Really* bad [08:29] that's 'fix your transmitter design please' bad [08:30] im not goign to be spending ages writing code to try and compensate for something like that [08:30] LOL, when it reach its hight it gets alot better [08:30] its just during accent, seen it before [08:31] at float alt its not a problem [08:31] is it because there's no insulation? [08:31] i would think so, its not my payload, so SA6BSS-Mike can maybe answer that [08:32] anyway hours gui starts, no crashes and decodes, so thats the main part of the test. [08:34] now to wait for a 4FSK payload to go up :-) [08:35] yeah [08:38] allmost LOS now, -0.05 [08:39] btw hate the LOS, it can mean life of sight but also loss of signal [08:39] erh line of sight [08:40] SA6BSS-Mike your tx sounds like a cat beeing pulled in the tail :-) [09:00] Tegu (kekkont1@gateway/shell/tkk.fi/x-eclhauvihmkeatyr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:04] New position from 03PC4L-01 after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PC4L-01 [09:13] New vehicle on the map: 03DELTASSDV - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DELTASSDV [09:20] FireFighter (~firefight@2601:44:4200:ab4f:bd92:9ade:edcb:9436) joined #highaltitude. [09:20] michal_f (~michal_f@212.75.108.114) joined #highaltitude. 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I asked PE2BZ to stop that script and then see what it does [11:10] ON4AUB (51f6c7e5@229.199-246-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:24] New position from 03BZ3a after 036 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BZ3a [11:53] New position from 03K7HAK-11 after 0312 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K7HAK-11 [11:58] nickjohnson (sid789@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-soliczhrdnnbmebe) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [11:58] nickjohnson (sid789@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rywobmppskuoyhui) joined #highaltitude. [12:07] SA6BSS-Mike, what's TX power on SA6BSS-7 ? [12:17] happysat (~katpoep@85.148.200.63) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:35] New position from 03KK6UUQ-7 after 0312 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KK6UUQ-7 [12:51] happysat (~katpoep@85.148.200.63) joined #highaltitude. 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[13:28] jadew (~rcc@unaffiliated/jadew) returned to #highaltitude. [13:28] Tegu_ (~tegu@156.ip-151-80-145.eu) returned to #highaltitude. [13:47] New position from 03W7EEU-11 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W7EEU-11 [13:48] New vehicle on the map: 03F21349_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=F21349_chase [13:55] chris_99 (uid26561@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-otxgxjmxqyjgmqvl) joined #highaltitude. [14:14] New vehicle on the map: 03KK6SDN-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KK6SDN-11 [15:09] New position from 03BB10 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BB10 [15:24] alexandre9099 (~alexandre@unaffiliated/alexandre9099) left irc: Quit: ZNC 1.7.5 - https://znc.in [15:26] alexandre9099 (~alexandre@unaffiliated/alexandre9099) joined #highaltitude. [15:34] snaked (~snaked@pdpc/supporter/active/snaked) joined #highaltitude. [15:36] alexandre9099 (~alexandre@unaffiliated/alexandre9099) left irc: Quit: ZNC 1.7.5 - https://znc.in [15:37] alexandre9099 (~alexandre@unaffiliated/alexandre9099) joined #highaltitude. [15:37] Laurenceb (~laurence@110.207.208.46.dyn.plus.net) joined #highaltitude. [15:38] es5nhc (~es5nhc@static-213-100-139-88.cust.tele2.ee) joined #highaltitude. [15:58] Kodar (~Kodar@93-142-96-202.adsl.net.t-com.hr) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:01] New position from 03K9APX-3 after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K9APX-3 [16:04] alexandre9099 (~alexandre@unaffiliated/alexandre9099) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:09] New vehicle on the map: 03F4igg_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=F4igg_chase [16:14] Laurenceb (~laurence@110.207.208.46.dyn.plus.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [16:15] Laurenceb (~laurence@110.207.208.46.dyn.plus.net) joined #highaltitude. [16:20] Laurenceb (~laurence@110.207.208.46.dyn.plus.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [16:21] qyx (~qyx@gw2.krtko.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [16:22] qyx (~qyx@gw2.krtko.org) joined #highaltitude. [16:23] happysat (~katpoep@85.148.200.63) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:29] happysat (~katpoep@85.148.200.63) joined #highaltitude. [16:49] OZ1SKY_Brian: the board is 4gram tied to a 40gram balloon pulled up at 1m/s traveling at over 100km an hour horisontely, it have 6 solar sells and I can garante that is swinging all over the place on its way up and the volatage is realy not very stabel during this phase :) [16:50] michal_f: it have a si4060 so 10mW into the low pass filter [16:51] also, the antenna is cut for 2m so working on 3d overtone in the 70cm ism band [17:09] alexandre9099 (~alexandre@unaffiliated/alexandre9099) joined #highaltitude. [17:11] alexandre9099 (~alexandre@unaffiliated/alexandre9099) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:12] SA6BSS-Mike (~kvirc@h-145-25.A357.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:16] SA6BSS-Mike (~kvirc@h-145-25.A357.priv.bahnhof.se) joined #highaltitude. [17:31] !whereis DirkDuyvel [17:31] 03PE2BZ: I haven't got a clue [17:31] !track DirkDuyvel [17:31] 03PE2BZ: Here you go - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DirkDuyvel [17:55] richardeoin (~richard@ec2-35-176-87-167.eu-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1 [17:56] New position from 03W5KUB-18 after 0318 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W5KUB-18 [18:02] New vehicle on the map: 03DC2EH-14 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DC2EH-14 [18:24] OZ7EMA (~emanuel_@2001:b07:ad4:b747:74b7:498c:289d:b759) joined #highaltitude. 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[21:23] FireFighter (~firefight@2601:44:4200:ab4f:bd92:9ade:edcb:9436) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:41] LazyLeopard (~irc-clien@chocky.lazyleopard.org.uk) left irc: Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com [22:47] New position from 03PS-76 after 0318 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PS-76 [22:57] daveake (uid144009@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-klxxrptcudqkhvhw) left irc: Quit: Connection closed for inactivity [23:32] New position from 03N4XWC-1 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1 [23:34] odroid (~odroid@90-156-66-105.internetia.net.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [23:34] odroid (~odroid@90-156-66-105.internetia.net.pl) joined #highaltitude. [00:00] --- Tue Jul 14 2020