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[06:41] rubdos (~rubdos@host-85-27-50-55.dynamic.voo.be) joined #highaltitude. [06:45] SA6BSS-Mike (~SA6BSS-Mi@host-95-199-155-219.mobileonline.telia.com) joined #highaltitude. [06:47] zsentinel (~zsentinel@unaffiliated/zsentinel) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [06:48] zsentinel (~zsentinel@unaffiliated/zsentinel) joined #highaltitude. [06:54] andycamb (~Thunderbi@2001:630:212:800:3939:d3a:fbd6:f7fc) joined #highaltitude. [06:56] New position from 03M0SBU-10 after 0320 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M0SBU-10 [06:56] New position from 03UBSEDS20 after 0315 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=UBSEDS20 [06:59] actually new [07:05] bugzc (~1@unaffiliated/bugzc) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [07:10] New position from 03IK8SUT-11 after 0320 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IK8SUT-11 [07:10] nice, pi and sd card are still going [07:11] Hix (~hix@2a02:c7f:7e15:7400:fd50:81ab:131:5383) joined #highaltitude. [07:15] Hix (~hix@2a02:c7f:7e15:7400:fd50:81ab:131:5383) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [07:17] melon_ (2eaa67c5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.170.103.197) joined #highaltitude. [07:26] bertrik (~bertrik@rockbox/developer/bertrik) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [07:30] SA6BSS-Mike (~SA6BSS-Mi@host-95-199-155-219.mobileonline.telia.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:46] jakeio (~Sam@host213-122-157-17.range213-122.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [07:47] LeoBodnar_ (~LeoBodnar@host-78-147-159-37.as13285.net) joined #highaltitude. [07:48] ipdove (~ipdove@interclub.plus.com) joined #highaltitude. [07:54] LeoBodnar (~LeoBodnar@host-78-147-159-37.as13285.net) joined #highaltitude. [07:54] LeoBodnar_ (~LeoBodnar@host-78-147-159-37.as13285.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:00] Wish me luck, calling the CAA now to beg for an extended window! [08:01] TIBS01 (TIBS01@5751bf7a.skybroadband.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:01] LeoBodnar (LeoBodnar@host-78-147-159-37.as13285.net) left #highaltitude. [08:03] TIBS01 (~tibs01@5751bf7a.skybroadband.com) joined #highaltitude. [08:06] New position from 03SP5RZP-11 after 0320 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP5RZP-11 [08:16] He said yes! [08:17] Right so when is likely ? What is the prediction like ? [08:18] cgfbee (~bot@oc1.itim-cj.ro) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:20] Just running that now. [08:21] Last time I checked Saturday looked better than Sunday. [08:21] Yes. [08:21] Saturday is better... [08:21] Sunday = English Channel wet landing. [08:22] My hourly should give you an idea http://predict.habhub.org/hourly/oldgore/ [08:23] Peterborough. [08:24] That's not too bad really. Let's see, 3 hour drive. Hmm. I'd have to leave immediately after launch... [08:25] If not before [08:25] WillDWork (5bc6637f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.198.99.127) joined #highaltitude. [08:25] cgfbee (~bot@oc1.itim-cj.ro) joined #highaltitude. [08:27] Indeed... [08:29] At least traffic shouldn't be bad as it's not bank holiday Saturday. [08:29] xfce1 (~iposi3@cpe-85-10-26-226.dynamic.amis.net) joined #highaltitude. [08:32] xfce (~iposi3@cpe-85-10-26-226.dynamic.amis.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [08:37] yooshky (57652e1b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.101.46.27) joined #highaltitude. [08:38] New position from 03JMHS after 0316 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=JMHS [08:46] ryan_in (~HAB@host86-139-96-214.range86-139.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [08:49] RocketBoy (~steverand@90.219.107.207) joined #highaltitude. [08:57] RocketBoy (steverand@90.219.107.207) left #highaltitude. [08:59] ryan_in (~HAB@host86-139-96-214.range86-139.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com) [09:04] New vehicle on the map: 03PISKY9 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PISKY9 [09:09] ryan_in (~HAB@host86-139-96-214.range86-139.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [09:13] labjg (~labjg@pa49-195-29-146.pa.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined #highaltitude. [09:14] SA6BSS-Mike (~SA6BSS-Mi@host-95-199-155-219.mobileonline.telia.com) joined #highaltitude. [09:14] melon_ (2eaa67c5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.170.103.197) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [09:20] melon_ (2eaa67c5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.170.103.197) joined #highaltitude. [09:32] michal_f (~michal_f@84-10-62-166.static.chello.pl) joined #highaltitude. [09:34] jan64 (~jan64@afio96.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined #highaltitude. [09:34] michal_f_off (~michal_f@84-10-62-166.static.chello.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [09:34] Nick change: michal_f -> michal_f_off [09:35] M0RJX (~M0RJX@firewall.hgf.com) joined #highaltitude. [09:36] ping upu [09:36] ping Upu [09:46] ryan_in (~HAB@host86-139-96-214.range86-139.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com) [09:48] New vehicle on the map: 03PISKY10 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PISKY10 [09:49] New vehicle on the map: 03DIXON - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DIXON [09:53] G4YHE (56171653@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.23.22.83) joined #highaltitude. [10:01] labjg (~labjg@pa49-195-29-146.pa.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:04] pb0ahx (~pb0ahx@53540677.cm-6-5a.dynamic.ziggo.nl) joined #highaltitude. [10:05] !flights [10:05] 03pb0ahx: Current flights: 03PS-68 434.650 OLIVIA 8/250 Enable RSID 10(b3db), 03UBSEDS19&20 434.610 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(303d) [10:05] !payload DIXON [10:05] 03pb0ahx: Can't find a flight doc matching your query [10:06] :( [10:06] frequentie of DIXON or it is a test ?? [10:10] g8fjg (56836f33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.131.111.51) joined #highaltitude. [10:10] cgfbee (~bot@oc1.itim-cj.ro) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:11] dixon 434.451 300/610 8n1 works foe me [10:11] for [10:11] g8fjg, tnx info [10:12] New vehicle on the map: 03PISKY11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PISKY11 [10:13] labjg (~labjg@pa49-195-29-146.pa.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined #highaltitude. [10:14] mmm lot of qrm on that frequentie here [10:14] labjg (~labjg@pa49-195-29-146.pa.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:14] labjg (~labjg@pa49-195-29-146.pa.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined #highaltitude. [10:15] ryan_in (~HAB@host86-139-96-214.range86-139.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [10:15] ryan_in (HAB@host86-139-96-214.range86-139.btcentralplus.com) left #highaltitude. [10:18] cgfbee (~bot@oc1.itim-cj.ro) joined #highaltitude. [10:21] heathkid (~heathkid@unaffiliated/heathkid) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [10:23] drsnik (~drsnik@gate3.ima.cz) joined #highaltitude. 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[11:12] SA6BSS-Mike (~SA6BSS-Mi@host-95-199-155-219.mobileonline.telia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 244 seconds [11:18] Hix (~hix@2a02:c7f:7e15:7400:fd50:81ab:131:5383) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [11:28] New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11 [11:28] kossy_ (a@2610:1a0:103:4a:dead:beef:0:cafe) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:29] DeltaEcho (5d8e0307@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.142.3.7) joined #highaltitude. [11:30] SA6BSS-Mike (~SA6BSS-Mi@host-95-199-155-219.mobileonline.telia.com) joined #highaltitude. [11:30] kossy_ (a@2610:1a0:103:4a:dead:beef:0:cafe) joined #highaltitude. [11:31] ibanezmatt13 (~ibanezmat@97e436dd.skybroadband.com) joined #highaltitude. [11:46] jan64_ (~jan64@afbw63.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined #highaltitude. [11:50] jan64 (~jan64@afbw63.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [11:52] ibanezmatt13 (~ibanezmat@97e436dd.skybroadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:00] pb0ahx (~pb0ahx@53540677.cm-6-5a.dynamic.ziggo.nl) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:26] chrisg7ogx (5691bc79@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.145.188.121) joined #highaltitude. [12:28] chrisg7ogx (5691bc79@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.145.188.121) left irc: Client Quit [12:29] DeltaEcho (5d8e0307@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.142.3.7) left irc: Quit: Page closed [12:44] oooooooo... [12:44] $$UBSEDS20,00:00:00,000000,0.0000,0.0000,0,0,5.48,25.8,0*81C1 [12:45] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [12:45] $$UBSEDS20,00:00:00,000000,0.0000,0.0000,0,0,5.38,28.0,0*B8B1 [12:46] Laurenceb__ (~laurence@host86-173-255-140.range86-173.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [12:51] yooshky, UBSEDS20 is Solar Powered and needs sufficent sunlight before GPS and radio start working, those records are pre the GPS getting a lock after about 30-60 seconds it will lock, then about a further 60 seconds and pictures will start to be downloaded. [12:57] jan64 (~jan64@biz102.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined #highaltitude. [13:00] jan64_ (~jan64@afbw63.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [13:04] Laurenceb__ (~laurence@host86-173-255-140.range86-173.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [13:08] RocketBoy (~steverand@90.219.107.207) joined #highaltitude. [13:13] New vehicle on the map: 03M0SBU - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M0SBU [13:13] New vehicle on the map: 03M0SBU-10 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M0SBU-10 [13:15] New position from 03M0SBU-9 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M0SBU-9 [13:15] What sort of price is h2 per cu m? [13:16] And is it feasible for me to do a flight with h2? Where might I buy some? [13:18] LeoBodnar (~LeoBodnar@host81-156-168-133.range81-156.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [13:18] LeoBodnar (~LeoBodnar@host81-156-168-133.range81-156.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:18] LeoBodnar (~LeoBodnar@host81-156-168-133.range81-156.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [13:25] what country are you in? [13:25] Wales :) [13:25] It's not going to save money relative to helium, unless you use a lot [13:26] gas choice and suppier is probably a long way down the lidt of priorities. [13:28] jakeio: IT'S FEASIBLE [13:28] sorry capslock [13:28] it's quite feasiable [13:28] you can get it from the same places as heliu, tho not mum-and-dad party supplies shops [13:29] but boc, air products, etc [13:29] Or other vendors - large welding shops may have it, for example [13:30] i doubt many welding places would have hydrogen [13:33] I'm sure I saw it in an online store I came across. [13:33] Perhaps not though [13:34] I have noted in the past that natural gas may be quite usable as a balloon gas. It has half the lift of H or He. But it is 50p/m^3 [13:38] if you tapped off your oven's supply [13:38] probably not as a cylinder [13:39] Probably wouldn't work as well tapping off my oil supply [13:40] there are easier ways to cause an environmental disaster certainly [13:40] jakeio: The costs per cylinder are a bit lower than for He, but you also need a regulator (about Ģ90 +VAT IIRC) [13:40] So it takes a few launches to break even [13:41] Or if this is just a 1-off for your next launch, probably you can have some of my gas, and use my reg [13:42] Just depends on if I've available whenever that is [13:44] as kids we would fill bin bags off the mains gas and....... [13:47] Quite. It is possible to be very unsafe with it. Only if you know what you're doing. [13:48] keywords: kids + gas [13:49] I assume that for a one off launch, you will need to buy/hire/borrow a reg anyway. (though I think the genie bottles have a built in reg?) [13:51] they do not. [13:53] ok, ta. Only one ever seen was the one you had for EMF [13:53] and didn't see the fill [13:53] It has just a valve on the top, then I was using the noddy latex tilt inflator for filling [13:56] richrboo_ (~richrboo@77.21.158.5.rev.vodafone.pt) joined #highaltitude. [13:57] can also confirm that opening the valve indoors = loud. [13:57] richrboo_ (~richrboo@77.21.158.5.rev.vodafone.pt) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:57] richrboo_ (~richrboo@77.21.158.5.rev.vodafone.pt) joined #highaltitude. [13:58] dtwood (dtwoodmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-jdyqvwslsjhiwohn) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [13:59] richrboo_ (~richrboo@77.21.158.5.rev.vodafone.pt) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:01] not advised on H2 (And certainly not indoors!) [14:01] was that genie bottle He or balloon gas mix? [14:03] It was purchased as balloon gas, but it's a decent percentage helium I believe [14:03] eg. enough to model as He and not notice [14:04] dtwood (dtwoodmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-suxgmlvqluvwzskm) joined #highaltitude. [14:05] The only actual measurements I found for balloon gas say it's probably He, cut with enough H so as to not be flammable [14:06] also, does not look nlike BOC do a gelie bottle for H2 [14:07] I believe daveake has been using h2 in genie bottles [14:07] I tghought that balloon gas had air in, for when pwople breath it (from the balloon or if there was a room full of balloons) [14:07] Yep. And Steve has [14:08] Similar to the H2 ones but no pressure gauge [14:08] and it's red :) [14:08] Ah, ok. They certrainly look to be a more practical bottle. What;s the price like, compared to steel bottles? [14:09] gonzo__: a lot of people say that - I can't find any source for that [14:09] I've heard of 70/30 balloon gas mix, to reduce danger as an asphyxiant, but only from tiny balloon gas shops. [14:09] craag: and can't be anything to do with the fact that air is free [14:09] yeah I've always thought a bit of that too ;) [14:10] but BOC's gas appears pure-enough He in my experience [14:10] and they don't describe it as anything but [14:10] Maybe it's just 'helium' where they don't bother pumping out the bottles [14:11] that would be a safety concern I think [14:11] I guess. [14:11] you have no idea what a bottle's contaminated with [14:11] and testing it properly is likely too expensive [14:11] Some nutters pumped 200PSI of acetylene into it [14:12] SA6BSS-Mike (~SA6BSS-Mi@host-95-199-155-219.mobileonline.telia.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:12] they vac down all the bottles between refills [14:13] as they can make no guarantees of what an earth the customer has done [14:14] OK, BOC's site is a bit inconsistant with how they list things between the different pages. Found the H2 [14:14] we went through all this ringmarole when negotionating hydrogen for something, as we had to return 42 bottles a week half full [14:14] Yep, I know someone who filled a propane bottle with H2 [14:15] that poss may make the next propane use a bit 'interesting', but it was a scrap bottle [14:17] are the genie bottles the same bottle fitting as the steel ones? Again, BOC site is not that informative [14:17] no [14:17] the gender on the threaded fitting is the other way round I think [14:17] Different fitting and also less apce for the regulator [14:18] Yes fuel gasses have lefty threads [14:18] that too.. I thought the gender was reversed to a steel cylinder too.. maybe not [14:19] No [14:19] ok [14:19] I was scratting about for info on steel bottles. Even ringing them didn't give me the firring spec. So just waited till it turned up and tried what I had in the box of bits [14:20] there are internal and external thread couplings and the LH/RH thing [14:20] on pipework, you also have the different sense [14:21] though I bring everything to a common quick fit connector anyway. And am bloody careful what i plug onto what [14:22] hozelock? [14:22] :) [14:22] Sort-of-kidding. [14:23] hehe, I've done worse [14:23] it's useful when you want to do silly tricks like, putting a blow torch on an inert gas to use as a flood [14:30] New vehicle on the map: 03fonz_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=fonz_chase [14:36] SA6BSS-Mike (~SA6BSS-Mi@host-95-199-155-219.mobileonline.telia.com) joined #highaltitude. [14:42] melon_ (2eaa67c5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.170.103.197) left irc: Quit: Page closed [15:05] richrboo_ (~richrboo@77.21.158.5.rev.vodafone.pt) joined #highaltitude. [15:09] sp5nvx (25be934f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.37.190.147.79) joined #highaltitude. 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[15:36] it seems surprisingly detailed for the Mail [15:42] rjsnyder (~rjsnyder@p5B367439.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #highaltitude. [15:44] New vehicle on the map: 03KC0LKV-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KC0LKV-11 [15:58] Laurenceb: i remember seeing that last year [15:59] it's a bit finger-in-bum [15:59] heh :D [15:59] not least because the x axis stops about 10 times short of where you want a reusable rocket to be [16:00] are you working on reaction engines related kit or is it mostly other stuff? [16:00] almost entirely the former [16:00] I havent seen any updates from Reaction engines for ages [16:00] interesting [16:00] so it's still on the go? [16:00] yes of course [16:00] heh ok [16:04] jan64 (~jan64@biz102.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined #highaltitude. [16:05] New vehicle on the map: 03KC0LKV-12 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KC0LKV-12 [16:11] richrboo_ (~richrboo@77.21.158.5.rev.vodafone.pt) left irc: Quit: IRC for Sailfish 0.9 [16:23] andycamb (~Thunderbi@2001:630:212:800:3939:d3a:fbd6:f7fc) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [16:27] gtfhercules (~gtfhercul@c-24-5-194-136.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #highaltitude. [16:37] MoALTz (~no@78-11-183-124.static.ip.netia.com.pl) joined #highaltitude. [16:40] es5nhc (~tarmo@176-108-157-37.dyn.estpak.ee) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [16:41] Hiena (~boreger@81.93.195.181.datatrans.hu) joined #highaltitude. [16:49] bertrik (~bertrik@rockbox/developer/bertrik) joined #highaltitude. [16:49] LeoBodnar (~LeoBodnar@host81-156-168-133.range81-156.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: LeoBodnar [16:54] es5nhc (~tarmo@177-108-157-37.dyn.estpak.ee) joined #highaltitude. [16:54] Any LoRa 869 plans for this weekend ? My RX and antenna are ready ;-) [17:01] Yes. [17:01] PE2BZ, I'm launching my LoRa payload again, live imaging should work this time. [17:01] Nice ! [17:01] LazyLeopard (~irc-clien@chocky.lazyleopard.org.uk) joined #highaltitude. [17:01] The Civil Aviation Authority kindly extended my permission to an extra flight. [17:01] Iīll try to add a preamp to the logper [17:02] pe2bz now knows what CAA means without asking ;-) [17:03] jakeio aiming for 30 km or more ? [17:03] No, probably max 27km. [17:04] That should be enough ;-) [17:04] Just a small flight so that I can talk about LoRa imaging in my personal statement for University applications. [17:05] jcoxon (~jcoxon@59.142.147.147.dyn.plus.net) joined #highaltitude. [17:07] Hiena (~boreger@81.93.195.181.datatrans.hu) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:10] RocketBoy (~steverand@90.219.107.207) left irc: Quit: RocketBoy [17:15] jakeio are you using a default LoRa mode or manual setup ? [17:15] M0RJX (~M0RJX@firewall.hgf.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:16] It's pretty much LoRa mode 3 I think, however, SF7 and error coding 4/5. [17:16] tjanos (d5dea4b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.222.164.183) joined #highaltitude. [17:17] I īll check the settings on the launch day ! [17:17] !hysplit get UBSEDS20 [17:17] 03tjanos: HYSPLIT for 03UBSEDS20 - 12http://spacenear.us/tracker/hysplit_cache/160830-16_12688_UBSEDS20.gif [17:23] PE2BZ, do you know what the green circle is on the tracker? I know that the blue one is the horizon. [17:24] the green circle is the "5 degree horizon" [17:25] tjanos (d5dea4b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.222.164.183) left irc: Quit: Page closed [17:27] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjKp__DfpeY [17:28] impressive for hobbyking kit [17:35] PE2BZ: Just set mode 3 - it uses explicit headers so the header tells the receiver about the SF/EC settings [17:40] Gordon__ (5f9772d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.151.114.210) joined #highaltitude. [17:44] LeoBodnar (~LeoBodnar@host-78-147-159-37.as13285.net) joined #highaltitude. [17:46] LazyLeopard (~irc-clien@chocky.lazyleopard.org.uk) left irc: Quit: Now QRT [17:51] LeoBodnar (LeoBodnar@host-78-147-159-37.as13285.net) left #highaltitude. [17:52] Gordon__ (5f9772d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.151.114.210) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [17:53] jakeio no, I donīt know, I allways assumed that that would be the 868 MHz range ;-) [17:53] daveake thanks, good to know ! [18:08] oh, as far as I can tell from the datasheets, the header contains info about the payload length, the coding rate and the presence of a CRC. I think you still have to get at least the frequency, SF and bandwidth right. [18:10] bandwidth and frequency certainly [18:10] sf not sure [18:11] Well wasn't sure ... but you're probably right :p [18:33] Ah, my prediction's improved a lot. [18:34] Now it goes to Northampton not Peterborough... [18:34] But it lands 1.3km from the M1... 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[18:55] es5nhc (~tarmo@177-108-157-37.dyn.estpak.ee) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:55] dtwood (dtwoodmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-suxgmlvqluvwzskm) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [18:55] dtwood (dtwoodmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-nvihcwymsrjxgwbt) joined #highaltitude. [18:57] luteijn (~luteijn@luteijn-ftth.xs4all.nl) joined #highaltitude. [19:04] jonsowman (~jon@kryten.hexoc.com) joined #highaltitude. [19:05] Steve___ (4e94305c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.148.48.92) joined #highaltitude. [19:06] Steve___ (4e94305c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.148.48.92) left irc: Client Quit [19:10] I guess that with luck the prediction will improve further and the payload will conveniently land in a field. Predictors aren't the same as compilers, because they get changed other factors between runs . . . :) [19:13] BrainDamage (~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [19:14] BrainDamage (~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage) joined #highaltitude. [19:27] RocketBoy (~steverand@90.219.107.207) joined #highaltitude. [19:43] MarkIreland (~MarkIrela@host86-131-118-141.range86-131.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [19:46] MarkIreland (~MarkIrela@host86-131-118-141.range86-131.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Client Quit [19:49] New position from 03UBSEDS19 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=UBSEDS19 [20:37] rjsnyder_ (~rjsnyder@p200300808F34CD007D13C92A3CBD4F18.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:40] MoALTz (~no@78-11-183-124.static.ip.netia.com.pl) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:12] RamanDial (~textual@120.138.105.151) joined #highaltitude. [21:14] SA6BSS-Mike (~SA6BSS-Mi@host-95-199-155-219.mobileonline.telia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [21:19] clopez (~tau@neutrino.es) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [21:22] michal_f (~michal_f@91.146.241.130) joined #highaltitude. [21:23] clopez (~tau@neutrino.es) joined #highaltitude. [21:25] RamanDial (~textual@120.138.105.151) left irc: Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com [21:49] jcoxon (~jcoxon@59.142.147.147.dyn.plus.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:05] Laurenceb__ (~laurence@host86-173-255-140.range86-173.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [22:11] New position from 03KF5KMP-6 after 035 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KF5KMP-6 [22:14] jakeio (~Sam@host213-122-157-17.range213-122.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:28] jan64 (~jan64@biz102.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [22:34] michal_f (~michal_f@91.146.241.130) left irc: Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Like it? Visit #hydrairc on EFNet [22:34] Ian_ (4d66af83@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.102.175.131) left #highaltitude. [22:34] Ian_ (4d66af83@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.102.175.131) joined #highaltitude. [22:39] rjsnyder (~rjsnyder@p200300808F34CD0019811EA4FA4F8773.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #highaltitude. [22:43] rjsnyder (~rjsnyder@p200300808F34CD0019811EA4FA4F8773.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 250 seconds [22:44] http://stuffin.space/ [22:44] cool :) [22:45] It is [22:47] I wonder why it's just telling me I need WebGL and Web Worker support... [22:47] I have Chrome 52, should be ok [22:49] ok forget it.. had hw acceleration off which disables webgl [22:51] good old west ford needles... [22:51] sigh [22:56] Are you familiar with the ISS LASER cannon? [22:59] not too familiar, I know it was proposed.. [23:00] bugzc (~1@unaffiliated/bugzc) joined #highaltitude. [23:02] RocketBoy (~steverand@90.219.107.207) left irc: Quit: RocketBoy [23:04] http://www.physics.uci.edu/tajima/Ebisuzakietal2015.pdf - is quite a readable paper on it [23:04] quite neat [23:04] plased array LASER using effectively adaptive optics to steer and focus the beam [23:12] RocketBoy (~steverand@90.219.107.207) joined #highaltitude. [23:13] New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11 [23:23] bertrik (~bertrik@rockbox/developer/bertrik) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [23:30] Kodar (~Kodar@93-139-188-180.adsl.net.t-com.hr) left irc: [23:44] RocketBoy (~steverand@90.219.107.207) left irc: Quit: http://randomaerospace.com/ [00:00] --- Wed Aug 31 2016