[00:00] well I can't second guess their biz math :) [00:00] it's not exactly good pr for them tho [00:01] I think a lot more people are shelling out for E4s now than before... [00:01] that is true [00:02] but the people who need an E8 camera and need traceable calibration etc, they will still pay 5k+ [00:02] it's nothing in those budgets [00:02] fair point [00:05] it's nice that there's also a visual camera on these and it combines the images to enhance edges etc [00:05] much easier to see for example components on a circuit board, what part is heating up etc [00:10] Vaizki: got a picture of the circuit breaker you mentioned earlier here? [00:11] no unfortunately not.. but I have covers off my breaker panel right now so I could go and take a pic? :) [00:12] that would've been nice, but I guess you allready fixed the loose wire issue :P [00:12] I should take more pics.. usually I just walk around looking at live image without storing pics [00:12] yea ^^ [00:13] only reason I store pics is to share them on IRC really.. [00:13] would've been interesting to see things like the arduino and such too [00:13] do you also get a raw image from it? [00:14] yes it stores a thermal image and visual image separately + a composite [00:14] so you can place measurements "post mortem" on it [00:14] as in, the raw thermal data, not the colorized output [00:14] yes [00:14] nice [00:15] you can change emissivity etc after the fact in the image viewer [00:17] as I understood it from the sparkfun product video, the contrast in the FLiR is so great that it's impossible to represent it all with colors [00:17] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X92f6WH-qvg <-- video in question [00:20] ok well good thing you got me to image the breaker panel :O [00:21] there's a hot contactor (not sure if that's the right word) in there [00:22] a contactor is simmilar to a rellay [00:22] yes [00:23] often used for controlling motors [00:23] https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/367935/FLIR0055.jpg [00:23] can you spot it... [00:23] it's kinda hard to miss [00:24] 50-60 degrees celcius? that's relativly hot I'd say [00:25] https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/367935/FLIR0056.jpg [00:25] over 70 [00:25] ouch [00:26] you're getting close to the core temperature of my router :P [00:26] http://solvang.openshell.no/bash-rrd-graphs/sys-temp/armada_thermal-temp1.html [00:26] but as you can see the visual overlay helps by providing the edges [00:26] so you can find the right relay etc [00:28] I guess the white edges are done with a edge detection algorithm of the visual image [00:28] yup [00:29] https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/367935/FLIR0055%201.jpg [00:29] thermal without the edge detection [00:29] and note, this is the hacked one.. the unhacked version has 1/16 of the pixels [00:30] ye, same resolution as the module sparfun sells, 80x60 [00:32] well it's a completely different technology apparently [00:32] lepton sensors are SPI readable with a couple of leads.. [00:33] this is a BGA package with a load of contacts to the pcb [00:33] yea, that's what makes those awesome [00:35] I prefer 320x240 awesome until I figure some kind of homebrew project that needs thermal imaging.. [00:37] yea, if the spi module had 320x240 for the same price, I just might have bought it just cause. [00:39] it doesn't matter at all in closeup shots but with 320x240 I can just stand back 10 feet and take a single overview pic [00:39] damn I am starting to talk imperial [00:39] where's the bot? :P [00:40] no idea maybe he's as drunk as I am [00:40] offline it seems [00:40] so must be time to turn in! [00:41] and thus I am off to sleep& [00:41] good night [00:41] btw, got a link to that firmware hack? [00:42] could be a interesting read even tho I don't have a camera... yet [00:50] VK2DLI_Barry (dcf040d0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.220.240.64.208) joined #highaltitude. [01:16] chris_99 (~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:23] https://i.imgur.com/wyHQRkb.jpg [01:26] DL7AD (~sven@p4FD42DE8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #highaltitude. [01:29] DL7AD1 (~sven@p4FD429F1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [01:37] http://i.stack.imgur.com/zcw94.jpg [01:37] interesting [01:42] DL1SGP (~felix64@dhcp13.signon4.dk.beevpn.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [01:43] DL1SGP (~felix64@dhcp42.signon3.dk.beevpn.com) joined #highaltitude. [01:48] Rob_vk1kw (7cab42a7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.124.171.66.167) joined #highaltitude. [01:48] PS-59 Balloon is up any info please [01:49] probably another party balloon [01:49] dunno how they are getting such long flight times [01:50] Sure enough - just so good to get a stable height - 10.1387 wspr and JT9 dont know freq yet [01:51] currently up - PS-56 mid Pacific second time around if still up cw only 30m 1000hz approx [01:53] PS-57 & PS-58 in the wind 30m wspr and JT9 [01:55] PS-57 JT9 1100 Hz & PS-58 JT9 1700HZ please correct me if not right [01:56] huh - PS-59 JT9 freq 1956Hz last decode [02:01] PS-59 stable at alt 9509meters - just magic [02:34] Rob_vk1kw (7cab42a7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.124.171.66.167) left irc: Quit: Page closed [02:41] Laurenceb_ (~Laurence@host86-179-250-250.range86-179.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [04:10] VK2DLI_Barry (dcf040d0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.220.240.64.208) left irc: Quit: Page closed [04:20] superkuh (~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:22] superkuh (~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh) joined #highaltitude. [05:09] stheory (~nic@122.178.198.239) joined #highaltitude. [05:12] YO9GJX (~YO9GJX@109.102.153.76) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:19] stheory (~nic@122.178.198.239) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [06:45] R6mco (~xxxxxxx@2001:982:a822:1:862b:2bff:feb0:ae54) joined #highaltitude. [06:56] mactunes (~mactunes@47.73.103.176) joined #highaltitude. [07:01] vk5hs (6719b4c3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.103.25.180.195) joined #highaltitude. [07:02] Good morning, anyone here with HAB experience in Germany, especially in NRW? [07:03] Asking because there have been some regulation changes very recently. Maybe someone has gone through this before? [07:03] hi vk5ei can you please tell me what frequency and mode ps-59 is on thanks Ivan [07:13] mactunes, in .at it's just not possible [07:14] es5nhc (~tarmo@108-40-71-217.sta.estpak.ee) joined #highaltitude. [07:14] it was very much possible in NRW, but then they put out this new regulation: http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:L:2012:281:0001:0066:EN:PDF [07:15] there is on paragraph that says: "An unmanned freeballoon shall not be operated in such a manner that impact of the balloon, or any part thereof, including its payload, with the surface of the earth, creates a hazard to persons or property." [07:16] and because that's nearly impossible to guarantee the authorities are now unsure what to do... [07:16] I launched 4 balloons last year and all of them got approved without any issues [07:17] LazyL_M0LEP (~irc-clien@41.215.96.86) joined #highaltitude. [07:21] it seems lawmakers are inept of reason [07:21] either they make outright dangerous laws (like in switzerland) [07:22] or they outlaw it completely (like at de cz) [07:23] i wonder what at or de would do about a hab coming from ch - send a diplomatic protest? [07:32] ipdove (~ipdove@interclub.plus.com) joined #highaltitude. [07:32] :D not sure about that one, but the new regulation clearly states that you have to get permission from every country your balloon can fly over. [07:33] swiss regulation do not require a permission at all [07:36] that would be so nice if we could to that here! but to be fair every state interprets this regulation a little different. so it might very much be possible that I could launch this from another part of Germany [07:39] https://www.bazl.admin.ch/bazl/de/home/gutzuwissen/ballone--kinderballone-und-freiballone-.html [07:41] this looks very reasonable [07:42] i wouldn't have a problem launching this in switzerland if it wasn't a sponsored event for a group of kids. driving all kids to switzerland and getting approval from their parents would cause quite some problems :) [07:46] this does not only look dangerous, there have already been several incidents [07:48] i am nonetheless considering a launch from switzerland since these regulations *allow* you to coordinate with air traffic control [07:48] stheory (~nic@122.178.198.239) joined #highaltitude. [07:49] this is what we had in germany before this regulation change. you aligned with the german flight authorities and everyone was happy [07:49] and to build a balloon/payload that wouln't hurt someone [07:49] unless you stayed below 500g for the whole train (which we did). in that case you would not need their permission but we aligned with them anyhow [07:50] Flutterb1t (~flutterba@unaffiliated/day) joined #highaltitude. [07:50] the question is, how can you guarantee such a thing? [07:50] no matter what the lawmakers say, it's good airmanship to coordinate with ATC and NOTAM pilots [07:51] in the easy case: use a parachute and styrofoam casing [07:52] however, I want to build a powered balloon which can steer back to it's launch site [07:52] that's what we do and the payload itself is only 100g at most. but we cannot guarantee that there will be no harm [07:53] Flutterbat (~flutterba@unaffiliated/day) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [07:53] Nick change: Flutterb1t -> Flutterbat [07:53] so you can argue that you have taken every conceivable precaution [08:04] that's what i did. let's see how it goes [08:08] vk5hs (6719b4c3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.103.25.180.195) left irc: Quit: Page closed [08:16] I think I spotted PS-57 this night [08:17] 2016-01-05 01:00 VK3YT 10.140152 -24 1 LF51 1 PA3FYM2 JO22nf 11021 334 [08:31] sweet [08:32] nice to see HF being used well [08:33] xfce (~xfce@cpe-85-10-26-137.dynamic.amis.net) joined #highaltitude. [08:34] Nick change: xfce -> Guest64639 [08:39] ben gelb used to do some good hf stuff for launch out to the atlantic [08:39] from MIT [08:39] that was about 2008/2009 iirc [08:39] i wonder what he's up to nowadays... [08:40] google 2009- [08:40] says linkdin [08:42] the great black hole [08:42] i wonder if dan has bumped into him [08:43] Sirius-BE (~BeB@5.149.34.172) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:46] Sirius-BE (~BeB@5.149.34.172) joined #highaltitude. [08:47] LazyL_M0LEP (~irc-clien@41.215.96.86) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:48] people who work at google do seem to disappear [08:55] stheory (~nic@122.178.198.239) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [08:55] Sirius-BE (~BeB@5.149.34.172) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:59] they relocated to "Eureka" ;) [09:17] mikestir (~quassel@cpc76842-brmb9-2-0-cust742.1-3.cable.virginm.net) joined #highaltitude. [09:22] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrC2oZmx94M [09:22] IR video from the falcon 9 reentry [09:23] they have a better camera than you Vaizki :) [09:24] o'rly.. :) [09:25] and it's mid-wave not long-wave [09:27] quite a kick at 27 seconds [09:27] New position from 03hkLo1 after 032 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=hkLo1 [09:36] 'mars relevent retropropulsion regieme' [09:36] Lunar_LanderU (~gd-winzen@131.173.9.136) joined #highaltitude. [09:36] nice [09:36] LunarMobile (~androirc@83adbbe9.funky.uni-osnabrueck.de) joined #highaltitude. [09:37] LunarMobile (~androirc@83adbbe9.funky.uni-osnabrueck.de) left irc: Client Quit [09:40] I see that just a few minutes ago that hkLo1 was launched [09:41] hello [09:55] edmoore (~ed@77.89.174.69) joined #highaltitude. [09:55] edmoore (~ed@77.89.174.69) left irc: Client Quit [09:55] edmoore (~ed@77.89.174.69) joined #highaltitude. 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[10:56] Lunar_LanderU (~gd-winzen@131.173.9.136) left irc: Quit: Verlassend [11:14] mactunes (~mactunes@47.73.103.176) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:30] Laurenceb_ (~Laurence@host86-179-250-250.range86-179.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [11:31] chris_99 (~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929) joined #highaltitude. [11:31] New position from 03SP6NVB-11 after 036 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP6NVB-11 [11:32] New position from 03VE2WMG-11 after 0315 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VE2WMG-11 [11:34] New position from 03VA2RMG-11 after 0316 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VA2RMG-11 [11:39] Darkside (~darkside@compsci.adl/officialscapegoat/Darkside) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [11:40] Darkside (~darkside@zedm.net) joined #highaltitude. [11:40] fl_0 (foo@unaffiliated/fl-0/x-7355575) left irc: Ping timeout: 250 seconds [11:43] mactunes (~mactunes@47.73.103.176) joined #highaltitude. [11:45] fl_0 (foo@unaffiliated/fl-0/x-7355575) joined #highaltitude. [11:52] FuzzyLemon (4d59ae57@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.89.174.87) joined #highaltitude. [12:01] :q [12:02] wrong terminal sorry :p [12:02] fab4space (~Fabrice@AMontpellier-656-1-308-87.w86-202.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [12:02] take the bus to terminal 2 [12:02] argh [12:09] if you insist [12:11] sorry my mistake [12:12] terminal 4 is the right one [12:16] vim is great way for generating random character sequences [12:24] mikestir (~quassel@cpc76842-brmb9-2-0-cust742.1-3.cable.virginm.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:24] there's been a few times where I've screwed up a document in vim and just :q! and start again [12:24] mikestir (~quassel@cpc76842-brmb9-2-0-cust742.1-3.cable.virginm.net) joined #highaltitude. [12:25] uuuuu [12:25] ;e! [12:25] I'm still in the era of RYRYRY [12:26] didn't know that one adamgreig, ta [12:26] Out of data error. Redo from start. [12:27] it's the same 'e' as 'edit some other file in this buffer' but if you don't give a filename it edits the current file [12:27] did you alias ; to ^: ? :) [12:28] to : not to ^: [12:28] oh though its shift+; [12:28] https://github.com/adamgreig/dotvim/blob/master/vimrc#L129-L131 [12:28] ^ is ctrl not shift, but in any event you don't need to [12:28] even better [12:28] just noremap ; : [12:28] most of my vim errors are missing the shift key [12:29] besides anything else it's just much nicer [12:29] also i use space as a leader so things like w write, easier than ;w [12:30] i have this wierd bug where i set paste mode in vimrc, and powerline indicates that's on, but its not on :| [12:31] Sirius-BE (~BeB@5.149.34.172) joined #highaltitude. [12:33] New position from 03PS-57 after 037 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PS-57 [12:35] wow, that's amazing [12:35] where's more info about PS-57? [12:36] and can we blame Darkside? [12:38] not this time [12:38] http://picospace.net/?p=1041 [12:39] stheory (~nic@122.178.198.239) joined #highaltitude. [12:39] shame it didn't stay in the northern hemisphere [12:41] what radio is it using? [12:42] solar film pointing down? [12:43] I have so many questions [12:52] they tracked PS-56 with no valid GPS signal :) [13:05] only time I had real issues with vim for editing files was using a proper vt100 type console, when we found it didn't have an esc key after going into edit mode. [13:06] ^[ [13:07] (is the same as esc) [13:07] fab4space (~Fabrice@109.237.242.98) joined #highaltitude. [13:09] annoyingly that was on the border firewall many (>10) years ago so we had no way to google the answer [13:10] lol [13:11] what did you do? [13:13] struggle [13:14] I think at that point it was late so we gave up and left it for the next day [13:48] I received PS-57 this night at 0100utc here in Europe [13:49] didn't knew it was a balloon ; -) [14:01] fab4space (~Fabrice@109.237.242.98) left irc: Quit: Quitte [14:01] fab4space (~Fabrice@109.237.242.98) joined #highaltitude. [14:33] kism3t (~quassel@52.14.75.194.dyn.plus.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:38] http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=39004.msg1469968#msg1469968 [14:53] KF5WYX (~kf5wyx@38.122.49.42) joined #highaltitude. [14:54] Good Afternoon UK [14:58] kokey: if you want to know more about the PS balloons there was a interview with Andy in the last ukhas conference in London in aug 2015, you find it on youtube [14:59] SA6BSS-Mike ah, thanks [15:00] I went to the 2012 conference, loved it, but since had a startup, two new countries and a young son so I had to give up this hobby [15:01] Kokey, you mean you let your real life get in the way of habbing?! shame on you. (me too). [15:02] I?l allways thaught thar as the kids get older I got more time with my hobeys, man was I Wrong! [15:03] I've avoided the kids thing so far, but it's coming. Since the first ukhas conference, three new jobs, three new homes, new country, and a marriage got started. [15:03] Now a minor participant in the GSBC [15:04] well I have more time now that my son is 2 and I work only 40 hours per week, than I did when my son was 9 months and I worked 60+ hours per week [15:06] good to see you back kokey [15:07] I even managed to solder together a wifi temperature sensor this past weekend using an esp8266 [15:07] long time, eroomde :) [15:07] Hi SA6BSS-Mike , I saw my weak Hell on your grabber [15:08] mactunes (~mactunes@47.73.103.176) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:08] the decade anniverary of my first launch is this yr [15:09] ruddy hell, you been at it that long? [15:09] eroomde: did you do launches when you were still at school? [15:09] no cusf [15:09] also the decade anniversity of cusf this year [15:09] wow [15:10] hmmm, actually I remember reading about someone's launch, I think back in 2005/2006, in the UK, using a gps that sent telemtry over a gsm phone after landing (over sms I think?) [15:10] wonder if it's someone from here [15:10] mactunes (~mactunes@47.73.103.176) joined #highaltitude. [15:11] pegasus 1? [15:11] my map memory seems to tell me it was over suffolk somewhere but I might just be confusing it with all the launches from cambridge [15:11] yes [15:11] pegasus [15:11] jcoxon [15:13] ah yeah that's it [15:14] http://www.pegasushabproject.org.uk/ is not quite what you would expect [15:27] http://web.archive.org/web/20061116111724/http://www.pegasushabproject.org.uk/pegasus1.html [15:27] there you go kokey [15:29] Oh wow that's the gumstix one [15:29] I had a very excited physics teacher send me a link to that at school at the time [15:29] mactunes (~mactunes@47.73.103.176) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:30] stheory (~nic@122.178.198.239) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [15:33] and the rest is history [15:35] using small linux computers before it was trendy [15:36] http://web.archive.org/web/20061116111502/http://www.pegasushabproject.org.uk/pegasus3/pictures/construction/CIMG0145.JPG [15:36] realising microcontrollers are better [15:36] but those who don't learn from history are doomed to... etc [15:37] I think I still have one of those phones [15:37] the nokia 105 must have a serial port in there somewhere [15:37] it has yeah [15:37] an original-gangsta cutdown http://web.archive.org/web/20061116111359/http://www.pegasushabproject.org.uk/pegasus3/pictures/construction/NEWCUT.jpg [15:37] good old phones [15:37] a few exposed pads under the battery iirc [15:38] the sort of offset rows/triangle arrangement? [15:38] I also still have an adaptor to rs232 port in a box for it [15:38] yeah that sounds familiar [15:39] that's what it used to be on the old nokias [15:40] have doen many a bodge onto those pads [16:14] ipdove (~ipdove@interclub.plus.com) left irc: Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de [16:36] what the heck happened to PS-57 [16:36] maybe its weird atmospheric conditions but altitude jumped massively [16:44] eroomde: ah I remember that picture on the homepage so well [16:44] it was that and that guy from vancouver who had the failed glider attempt that sucked me in [16:46] i think his glider worked at one point [16:46] the canadian glider is what started cusf too [16:53] stheory (~nic@122.178.198.239) joined #highaltitude. [17:04] ha got my gpsdo eBay hack job [17:05] Seems to agree with my siggen ocxo, difference at 10MHz is 0,042Hz [17:39] fab4space (~Fabrice@109.237.242.98) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:46] TIBS01 (~tibs01@5751bf79.skybroadband.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [17:58] es5nhc (~tarmo@108-40-71-217.sta.estpak.ee) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:13] Lunar_Lander (~kevin@p5488905A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #highaltitude. [18:13] hello [18:16] chris_99 (~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929) left irc: Ping timeout: 250 seconds [18:17] chris_99 (~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929) joined #highaltitude. [18:22] hullo [18:27] how's life? [18:35] LazyL_M0LEP (~irc-clien@41.215.96.86) joined #highaltitude. [18:38] DL1SGP (~felix64@dhcp42.signon3.dk.beevpn.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [18:39] DL1SGP (~felix64@dhcp13.signon4.dk.beevpn.com) joined #highaltitude. [18:42] february 9th [18:42] F2 [18:48] UR5WPR (25e57371@gateway/web/freenode/ip.37.229.115.113) joined #highaltitude. [18:49] UR5WPR (25e57371@gateway/web/freenode/ip.37.229.115.113) left irc: Client Quit [18:55] et__ (508e1783@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.142.23.131) joined #highaltitude. [18:55] et__ (508e1783@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.142.23.131) left irc: Client Quit [18:59] life is as good as it gets at -22 ... :) [18:59] tomorrow is a holiday and I have a roaring fire & scotch [19:02] down to 0.02Hz difference.. [19:02] yea [19:07] New position from 03PS-59 after 039 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PS-59 [19:10] bertrik (~quassel@rockbox/developer/bertrik) joined #highaltitude. [19:10] stheory (~nic@122.178.198.239) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [19:22] Vaizki: do you ever have to work for long periods outside in that temp? [19:24] well I don't really enjoy temps below -15 tbh so I mainly do snow clearing other must do jobs when it's that cold [19:24] but today my wife trimmed our apple trees for example [19:25] and other must do jobs.. [19:25] how do the apple trees like -22? [19:25] they hibernate :) [19:25] -22c would be a disaster here [19:25] which is a good time to cut them.. before spring anyway [19:25] forecast for northern Finland is -40 for tomorrow [19:26] that is.. brutal. [19:26] ohhhhhhhh [19:26] but of course at these temps the air is very very dry so if there is no wind it doesn't really feel that cold [19:26] googling.. the lowest temperature recorded in NI is -18c [19:27] yea, in dry weather temperature extremes are more bearable [19:27] a layer of warmer air forms around your skin [19:27] but if there is any wind.. which is rare at this cold temps here.. it's very very cold out there [19:28] I have a bit of asthma so I'm not too keen on working up a sweat in these temps [19:28] locks up my breathing if I heave in really cold air [19:32] but in general, -20 is not so bad.. main issue for me is gloves. I'm not a big mitten fan but gloves with fingers are just not warm enough (or they are expensive and stiff). At -35 I pretty much refuse to go outside any more. [19:32] yea can understand that [19:32] and to be fair I live on the southern coast here so we get is easy here [19:32] today there was a crap situation here [19:33] it was what we call "glatt" [19:33] freezing rain? [19:33] everything was layered with ice and driving and walking was difficult [19:33] yeah [19:33] yea [19:33] I acutally slipped three times but could compensate [19:33] very rare here [19:33] also buses were not driving until the afternoon [19:35] we get small batches of rain where the water is below zero and freezes instantly [19:35] but not like they got at Lake Geneva for example [19:36] ah [19:36] http://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/photo/2012/02/deep-freeze-spreads-across-europe/e01_RTR2XCJF/main_1200.jpg [19:37] that's crazy at lake geneva.. [19:37] although I think that has to do with surf whipped up from the lake and blown to shore [19:39] :( [19:41] yeah [19:41] it's nice being surrounded by the atlantic ocean. wet all the time, but we don't get the huge temperature swings [19:42] in the north sea, a ferry ran onto ground this morning carrying 650 people [19:42] at around 7 [19:42] fortunately it got going again with the flood at 7:30 pm [19:45] oh ffffff... revised weather forecast.. thursday -30 here down south [19:46] I am going to work from home if that happens [19:46] where are you? [19:46] seems mad it can be like 10-12 in england and -30 in findland [19:46] without a huge change in latitude [19:47] jcoxon (~jcoxon@247.141.112.87.dyn.plus.net) joined #highaltitude. [19:48] -7�C here and I am 6� south of london [19:48] i guess there are some quite far inland bits of finland [19:48] i presume that's the case with you too realborg [19:48] eroomde: we are not IN the gulf stream.. [19:49] I am in Espoo, not so far from the coast [19:49] your situation espoo [19:50] sea is not frozen yet either but will be very soon at this rate [19:51] and btw it was +10 here just 10 days ago or so [19:53] eroomde, about 16� inland [19:54] Vaizki, same here - almost 20� drop in a few days [19:56] UpuWork (~UpuWork@smtp.nevis.co.uk) left irc: [19:57] well I have a jacket.. http://www.mountainhardwear.com/mens-absolute-zero-parka-OM4775.html [19:57] and some pants.. http://www.jack-wolfskin.com/atmosphere-down-pants-men/1501141-6000002.html [19:57] and wool felt lined boots [19:57] so I'm toasty :) [20:00] Vaizki, I'm cheap :) http://www.banggood.com/Thicken-Mens-Winter-Polar-Fleece-Lining-Windproof-Cargo-Pants-p-959719.html http://www.banggood.com/Winter-Mens-Cotton-Coat-Fashion-Casual-Warm-Outdoor-Jacket-p-952991.html [20:03] well I bought that jacket at -70% in an outlet mall in Seattle, WA [20:04] I would never have bought it at sticker price [20:04] mikestir (~quassel@cpc76842-brmb9-2-0-cust742.1-3.cable.virginm.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [20:04] R6mco: ok, what time, have to have a look :) [20:31] Lunar_Lander, BabyDoctor? [20:31] F1 [20:33] jcoxon (~jcoxon@247.141.112.87.dyn.plus.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:47] YO9GJX (~YO9GJX@109.102.153.76) joined #highaltitude. [20:51] LazyL_M0LEP (~irc-clien@41.215.96.86) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:10] Ian_, ? [21:13] superkuh (~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:18] superkuh (~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh) joined #highaltitude. [21:53] so after about 4 hours of settling, the ebay gpsdo and anritsu siggen ocxo are only 0.004 Hz apart [21:53] I think that's.. amazing.. :O [21:54] jcoxon (~jcoxon@247.141.112.87.dyn.plus.net) joined #highaltitude. [21:55] I also think I might be enjoying looking at these scope traces a bit more than is considered healthy... [22:01] New vehicle on the map: 03Yyyyh_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Yyyyh_chase [22:02] gonzo_nb (~gonzo@host-92-6-244-28.as43234.net) joined #highaltitude. [22:09] mikestir (~quassel@cpc76842-brmb9-2-0-cust742.1-3.cable.virginm.net) joined #highaltitude. [22:18] Lunar_LanderA (~kevin@p5488905A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #highaltitude. [22:18] Lunar_LanderA (~kevin@p5488905A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:19] chris_99 (~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:21] astrobiologist (~yaaic@141.0.145.79) joined #highaltitude. [22:39] actually I named a launch date for F2 and nobody noticed [22:39] YAY [22:39] :D [22:40] Are you a doctor F1 > F2 ? [22:40] oh [22:40] no :) [22:41] OK thought you were saying 9 Feb moving to F2 [22:42] ah ok :) [22:42] no we will finally fly [22:42] what was planned for xmas 2014 [22:42] :D [22:43] Good luck - for the flight [22:43] thanks :) [22:44] break a leg! [22:45] ohhhh [22:48] Lunar_Lander: is it a lunar lander? [22:50] jcoxon (~jcoxon@247.141.112.87.dyn.plus.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:51] hopefully more like a stratosphere balloon [22:51] :) [22:51] :) [22:52] Random q - that I assume someone might be able to help [22:52] If I wanted to run a mathematical model of an aerodynamic surface to determine for example lift, drag, etc - is that a good program already to do that? [22:52] Or should I write something myself? [22:54] yea there are programs [22:54] it's quite an involved thing really i guess [22:54] O yea - didn't think it'd be simple :) [22:54] MatLab seems to come up on my first search [22:54] there are a few open source things [22:54] openfoam? [22:55] o0o0 [22:55] hadn't seen that [22:55] ansys, fluent [22:56] the Ansys website appears to be a bit borked [22:56] every link seems to end up at their 404 page [23:02] KF5WYX (~kf5wyx@38.122.49.42) left irc: [23:40] YO9GJX (~YO9GJX@109.102.153.76) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [23:40] YO9GJX (~YO9GJX@109.102.153.76) joined #highaltitude. [23:49] mikestir (~quassel@cpc76842-brmb9-2-0-cust742.1-3.cable.virginm.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [23:54] gonzo_nb (~gonzo@host-92-6-244-28.as43234.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:00] --- Wed Jan 6 2016