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[04:44] Nick change: fl_0|afk -> fl_0 [05:03] Nick change: fl_0 -> fl_0|afk [05:04] Nick change: fl_0|afk -> fl_0 [05:10] Nick change: fl_0 -> fl_0|afk [05:11] es5nhc (~tarmo@108-40-71-217.static.internet.emt.ee) joined #highaltitude. [05:33] G8KNN (~pi@cpc17-cmbg14-2-0-cust358.5-4.cable.virginm.net) joined #highaltitude. [05:34] I have to inform you of my Fathers death, I enclose the death certificate. I am the executor named in the will and have been granted probate in order to administer all my Fathers affairs. I also enclose the grant of probate. [05:34] I would be grateful if you could release the funds from the bond which my Father held with Aviva. Please make the cheque payable to myself as the executor. [05:34] Please send both the death certificate and grant of probate back to me, since I will need them again. [05:34] Thank you for you assistance. [05:34] ooops [05:34] ignore that [05:36] :-) [05:47] New vehicle on the map: 03KK6UUQ-1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KK6UUQ-1 [06:04] malclocke (~malc@121.99.231.192) joined #highaltitude. [06:04] malclocke (~malc@121.99.231.192) left irc: Client Quit [06:13] OK1RAJ (53d05305@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.208.83.5) joined #highaltitude. [06:15] RAJ-2 start have been delay... We have clouds over Prague now... We are ready to start when the sun work corectly... :-) [06:21] niu (5489dc94@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.137.220.148) joined #highaltitude. [06:54] bertrik (~quassel@rockbox/developer/bertrik) joined #highaltitude. 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[08:34] devtt (4e918804@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.145.136.4) left irc: Quit: Page closed [08:34] yea sorry about that we borrowed the sun for a day [08:34] it's a tradition, summer is the best day of the year in Finland and we need the sun for it :) [08:37] New vehicle on the map: 03RPF-PITS-LORA - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RPF-PITS-LORA [08:40] New vehicle on the map: 03RAJ-2 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RAJ-2 [08:41] ibanezmatt13 (d5cdc211@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.205.194.17) joined #highaltitude. [08:42] TT7 (4f7fd023@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.127.208.35) joined #highaltitude. [08:42] hey ibanezmatt13, did you get to the bottom of your busylooping? [08:42] Morning Vaizki [08:42] Guest80363 (5681dd1f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.129.221.31) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [08:42] noope [08:43] I have no idea now what the problem is, might just re-write it or something [08:43] OK1RAJ: good luck, I'll be waiting for RAJ-2's signal at the other side of the country [08:44] devtt (4e918804@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.145.136.4) joined #highaltitude. [08:48] dl3yc (~yc@beta.szi.fh-jena.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [08:49] ibanezmatt13, doh.. maybe someone here can spot the problem :P [08:50] yeah, I'll fire up the laptop and put a copy out shortly just in case :) [08:51] I'm looking at balloon floating too, trying to work out how the sun affects temp/pressure in and out of the balloon [08:54] dave-mob (~AndChat56@dab-glb1-h-66-4.dab.02.net) joined #highaltitude. [08:55] dl3yc (~yc@beta.szi.fh-jena.de) joined #highaltitude. [09:02] SA6BSS (~kvirc@81-236-232-232-no30.tbcn.telia.com) joined #highaltitude. [09:06] SA6BSS-Mike (~kvirc@81-236-232-232-no30.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [09:23] dl3yc (~yc@beta.szi.fh-jena.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [09:23] OK1RAJ_ (5918efac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.24.239.172) left irc: Quit: Page closed [09:24] ok1cdj (4decc959@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.236.201.89) joined #highaltitude. [09:24] hello all [09:27] garymortimer (9a49dfc7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.154.73.223.199) joined #highaltitude. [09:28] LunarWork (~kevin@131.173.10.152) joined #highaltitude. [09:29] hello [09:29] Hi [09:31] different payloads being switched on in Cambridge? [09:31] rning [09:31] erm [09:31] morning [09:31] batc up ? [09:32] yep :) [09:32] cool [09:32] http://batc.tv/streams/m0rpi [09:32] pubs for current predictions shown tad tricky [09:34] Now more sensible ;-) [09:37] PE2G (~PE2G@2001:982:57a:1:3c09:6cd8:4e0d:d86e) joined #highaltitude. [09:38] New vehicle on the map: 03EOS_T2 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=EOS_T2 [09:38] try 6m/s up 4.5m/s down burst 29.5km [09:39] Looks a tad breezy [09:40] does indeed [09:46] im trying to wrap my head around this. If i put enough helium into a latex weatherballoon that it starts rising up, isn't it inevitably going to rise up until it pops? [09:46] 1280x960. nice [09:46] day: not always [09:47] fsphil: i was thinking, if it rises it will expand due to lower atmospheric pressure > which induces more rise > which induces more expansion [09:47] if it rises slowly, the latex may have enough strength to stop the expansion of the helium [09:48] the ascent rate is pretty constant [09:48] lots of flights end up out in that area, there really ought to be a UKHAS pub guide to it [09:48] some flights do speed up as they ascend [09:48] fsphil: so my assumption is the general outcome of such an experiment? [09:49] is it anything to do with how as you go up the pressure/density drops so the buoyancy force gets less and closer to the weight of the whole thing? [09:50] that means only foil balloons can be used for long flights, because they do not expand past a predefined voluminum? [09:51] larger latex balloons can be made to float, but usually only for a few days max [09:51] I've had a few flights float for about 24 hours [09:51] ibanezmatt13: assuming that the balloon expands without exerting extra compressive force on the gas, the buoyancy force doesn't change. [09:51] ok1cdj (4decc959@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.236.201.89) left irc: Quit: Page closed [09:52] fsphil: because they ascended so slowly that they didnt hit the critical height? Or were they able to create an equilibrium? [09:52] the latex never gets pushed past its stretch limit [09:52] hm I see [09:52] However of course there will start to be some compression, and although air drag reduces, the balloon gets larger and less aerodynamic.. [09:52] oh i assumed that [09:53] This engineering with numbers is opinion of course ;) [09:53] *without [09:53] :P [09:53] totally :) [09:53] i think Dave is off [09:53] We have lift off [09:54] I'll be doing a floater flight again sometime [09:54] though all my flights seem to happen in winter [09:54] and winter is coming [09:54] :P [09:55] a zero pressure latex balloon would be interesting to try [09:55] zero pressure are the ones with a hole in the bottom? [09:56] yea [09:56] the lifting gas expands downwards [09:56] mm, cool [09:57] latex probably don't make much sense though, the material doesn't need to stretch [09:57] can you make sure that the downside stays down during strong wind? [09:57] just needs to be big already [09:57] weight of the payload should do that [09:57] ive no idea how much weight it would take [09:58] Making your own envelope for that should be quite easy [09:58] none of the superpressure stresses [09:58] yea. just make a long tube [09:58] making the balloon should be simple as well [09:59] can be sealed up for filling [09:59] would need a nice calm day [10:00] Love the size of the ssdv images [10:00] it's a nice change from 320x240 :) [10:00] yep [10:01] First pub recommendation, looks like reasonable beer on tap with large grass area in front to setup antennas and command and control infrastructure http://www.brisleybell.co.uk/ [10:03] Whats with the South African callsign!! ZSTWH [10:04] !dials [10:04] er [10:04] is that a callsign? no numbers in it [10:05] garymortimer: How's your pub knowledge in the hampshire area? [10:05] Ah well now I used to live there so.... [10:06] excellent :D [10:06] My fave is the Milburys and its well [10:06] potential upcoming launch ;) [10:06] interesting how the missing packets have less of an effect on the large image [10:06] they tend to blend in [10:06] Yeah its an aircraft tail number down here [10:07] ah, I was thinking amateur radio callsign. [10:07] Oh, wasn't paying attention there and slow to tune in to the RTTY. The LoRa sorted itself out. [10:07] oh rtty flight?? [10:07] lora even [10:07] need to get the websdr rx going... [10:08] I had the airspy setup at home, but my internet's gone down [10:08] Herman_ (535426fa@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.84.38.250) joined #highaltitude. [10:08] typical [10:08] !flights [10:08] 03Herman_: Current flights: 03SP3OSJ 144.7MHz RTTY 100bd 450/7n2 10(b234), 03RPI Test Flight 10(7795), 03RAJ-2 launch 10(2df6) [10:08] is the sstv lora [10:08] !flights [10:08] 03Geoff-G8DHE: Current flights: 03SP3OSJ 144.7MHz RTTY 100bd 450/7n2 10(b234), 03RPI Test Flight 10(7795), 03RAJ-2 launch 10(2df6) [10:08] garymortimer: seems to be ssdv going over both rtty and lora [10:08] !flight7795 [10:08] assuming the larger images are through lora [10:08] !flight 7795 [10:08] 03Geoff-G8DHE: Flight 10(7795): 03RPI Test Flight 10(2 payloads) - Launch date 03Today at 11:00 from 03Cambridgeshire, UK 10(52.2135,0.0964) [10:09] !dial 7795 [10:09] 03Geoff-G8DHE: Latest dials for 03RPF-PITS-LoRa 10(7795): none [10:09] 03Geoff-G8DHE: Latest dials for 03RPF-PITS 10(7795): 03434.60295 MHz, 434.6026 MHz, 434.603 MHz [10:09] freq of RPF ???? [10:09] Payload ID RPF-PITS, 434.600MHz, 300 baud, 8 N 2. Telemetry and SSDV [10:09] Its 3KHz high [10:09] that large image is great [10:10] Just picking up LoRa in Peterborough [10:10] Hmmm [10:10] I'm getting garbage on the decode [10:10] Autoconfigure checks out though [10:10] ssdv will appear as garbage text [10:10] but you should still see the normal $$ strings every so often [10:11] gotcha [10:11] !payload 7795 [10:11] 03Geoff-G8DHE: Payload 03RPF-PITS-LoRa 10(7795) 03$$RPF-PITS-LoRa - no transmissions [10:11] 03Geoff-G8DHE: Payload 03RPF-PITS 10(7795) 03$$RPF-PITS - 03Primary - 03434.6 MHz USB 03RTTY 300/600Hz ASCII-8 none 2 [10:11] doe FL decode the lors or do you need a module?? [10:12] Whiteg6 (d92cf33e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.44.243.62) joined #highaltitude. [10:12] !flights [10:12] 03Whiteg6: Current flights: 03SP3OSJ 144.7MHz RTTY 100bd 450/7n2 10(b234), 03RPI Test Flight 10(7795), 03RAJ-2 launch 10(2df6) [10:13] is the ZSTWH on the tracker ? [10:13] :-) my First proper LoRa decode [10:13] fl-digi autoconfig is working ?? [10:14] garymortimer: it's a proprietary mode, requires the hardware module sadly [10:14] websdr lora gateway: ONLINE :) [10:14] how does the gateways handle ssdv packets? [10:14] heh [10:14] uploaded to habhub? [10:15] Yes [10:15] still only showing a single station for the large images [10:15] I think a lot of mine are failing crc [10:16] ZSTWH on SSDV where is is it, im confused ? [10:16] I thought so, I have a couple here they are the future! [10:16] does the gateway tell you the frequency offset of the lora signal? [10:16] I hope not :) at least, not until it's fully reverse engineered [10:16] 20kHz is quite sensitive to frequency mismatches [10:16] I'd rather use something that's free to implement ourselves [10:16] 434.603 very strong but no decode in fl-digi-hab [10:17] Same here [10:17] Although I have a fair amount of local QRM here [10:18] dl3yc (~yc@outbound01.eduroam.eah-jena.de) joined #highaltitude. [10:19] dl3yc (~yc@outbound01.eduroam.eah-jena.de) left irc: Client Quit [10:19] yes now decod [10:19] I'm getting ssdv packets [10:20] Looking at it i assume the callsigns shown on ssdv on LoRa images don't show the actual reciever? [10:20] but not showing callsign on ssdv. [10:20] Is ZSTWH the Cambridge flight RPI or something ? [10:21] Geoff-G8DHE: Yes as far as i understand [10:21] I'm uploading SSDV from LoRa as far as I know, but my callsign isn't showing so I guess it must be using the payload callsign [10:21] SSDV Packet, Callsign ZSTWH, Image 9, Packet 17, 7 Missing [10:23] It's an error in the code [10:23] mattbrejza: Dave's gateway code does show offset and I added AFC so it can tune itself [10:23] oh ok [10:24] but perhaps chimpusmaximus 's lora reciever isnt AFC'ing [10:24] fsphil: ?callsign= on sanslogic/ssdv/data.php [10:24] Still no decodes [10:24] what callsign is that meant to be? [10:24] Loud and clear though [10:24] I still say this is a great place to wait http://www.brisleybell.co.uk/ Dave [10:24] AFC on and seems to be working, my antenna is far from ideal [10:24] https://github.com/PiInTheSky/lora-gateway/blob/master/gateway.c#L599 sends the payload callsign [10:24] what throughput is this lora? [10:25] Ah right starting to get TTY decode but nothing on LoRa yet odd [10:25] unlike https://github.com/PiInTheSky/lora-gateway/blob/master/gateway.c#L557 [10:27] Ah right they are using a different callsign for SSDV from telemetry! [10:28] the AFC could do with a bit more hysteresis, I should probably make it bandwidth dependent too [10:29] craag: callsign is the receiver [10:30] it gets the payload name from the packet [10:30] fsphil: That's what I thought :) [10:30] see you've fixed it [10:30] jokke_ (~jokke@unaffiliated/jokke/x-6281767) joined #highaltitude. [10:30] your callsign showing up nicely [10:30] I've fixed and dave has a pull req ;) [10:30] Geoff-G8DHE: I have the LoRa a bit high, try tuning up a bit with 'd' so the AFC can capture it [10:30] yea ive found the afc can go haywire sometimes [10:32] https://github.com/PiInTheSky/lora-gateway/pull/3 [10:32] ^^ This fixes ssdv callsign for lora upload [10:32] I tested the AFC with a slow mode which also had gaps between packets so this is its first real test [10:32] it appears to be sending ground images [10:32] with the same numeric ID? [10:33] that's a it odd [10:33] bit* [10:35] sometimes the lora module reports somewhat dodgy offset values [10:37] i rcvd lot of data but see not yet a picture [10:38] al data is green [10:42] http://i.sigio.nl/ee9c42f5d79004d5e4721df71611c7ef.jpg [10:42] mattbrejza: I've not noticed that. I could also add a sanity check and rolling average as it should only need to handle a slow drift. [10:42] so this is the image fldigi was just decoding, but it isnt on ssdv.habhub http://imgur.com/kazDQn7 [10:43] note tjats image 0x0A (10), but 10 on ssdv is different, and screwed up [10:43] that's a collision of two images [10:43] with the same resolution, callsign and image id [10:44] so did the payload send id 0x0A twice? [10:44] seems to have yea [10:45] maybe lora and rtty are re-using IDs [10:45] they are [10:45] ah yes [10:45] should probably have different callsigns [10:45] or interleaved image IDs [10:47] lora is now up to SSDV Packet, Callsign ZSTWH, Image 26, Packet 24, 19 Missing [10:49] Ah on the gateway you can't control the Freq. once AFC has jumped in on EITHER channel :-( [10:50] I've switched off AFC and set freq to 424.4025 [10:50] Freq Error = -0.0 KHz :) [10:51] lets wave my lora rx around and see what i get [10:51] using a shitty antenna though [10:51] \o [10:51] /o [10:52] Geoff-G8DHE: it should still tune, but AFC will still kick in unless switched off [10:52] actually might wait for some more altitude [10:52] dbrooke, Here its ignoring the kbd totally [10:52] More importantly it looks like the pub at Whissonsett marked on the OS just up the way from current landing positions has closed [10:53] http://www.whissonsett.com/village_history/ [10:54] Geoff-G8DHE: Hmm, it works for me. [10:55] perhaps its different version of code ? [10:57] only differences I have from Dave's master is craag's fix and increased AFC hysteresis [10:58] Once a channel is showing something I loose control [10:59] on both channels [11:03] Well I only have one channel but don't think that should make any difference [11:03] so i am writing a while funcube now agn back to RPI [11:04] pb5a (4dfa48c3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.250.72.195) left irc: Quit: Page closed [11:05] ibanezmatt13 (d5cdc211@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.205.194.17) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [11:05] I wonder why Dave did'nt go up the 1065 [11:05] http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Space_Science/Rosetta/Highlights/Boundary_conditions [11:06] I live in Rosetta, oh no thats a different place https://www.google.co.za/maps/place/Rosetta/@-29.3043305,29.98493,15z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x1ef3fa8101a3c76f:0x312cb6533d7f3d05 [11:07] PerczUK (5689cd3a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.137.205.58) joined #highaltitude. [11:07] :) [11:07] hi everyone o/ [11:09] garymortimer, well then you'll have PS-46 buzz you soon :) [11:10] yeah an amazing flight [11:10] PerczUK (5689cd3a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.137.205.58) left irc: Client Quit [11:12] Only a pop up pub at Mileham (current landing ish) http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/pop_up_pub_at_mileham_village_hall_aims_to_revive_social_spirit_1_2813181 looks like there needs to be pub free landing danger areas marked on charts as well [11:14] Lets hope it can make it to the Brisley Bell and its open [11:16] pfysmate (1fdd5142@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.221.81.66) joined #highaltitude. [11:20] dave-mob (~AndChat56@dab-glb1-h-66-4.dab.02.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:21] ok1cdj (d5e2c165@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.226.193.101) joined #highaltitude. [11:21] hi [11:22] please look for RAJ-2 434.690 [11:23] Back receiving LoRa after fudging yagi in front garden [11:25] it's a bit hit and miss [11:26] Can we see the sea yet (yes in 51) [11:26] raj-2 is a floater? [11:29] yea the coastline is showing in a few [11:29] chimpusm_ (~Chris@host86-178-84-49.range86-178.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [11:29] very patchy cloud on the south coast today [11:30] What's the orange tube in RPF-PITS's pics? [11:30] antenna support maybe [11:30] yes, raj-2 is floater [11:30] ultralight, payload only 7.5g and foil balloon [11:31] but is powered only from solar [11:31] no battery.. [11:31] Second pub prediction for Dave (he did ask) http://www.longhamwhitehorse.co.uk/ [11:32] In fact that and the Brisley Bell are the only two worth a look in the area I think and I don't think the Bell is open from a refit yet. I have seen it was close in June [11:32] Johnwulp (~Johnwulp@92.109.151.65) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [11:32] ok1cdj, interesting [11:33] Interoth (~Chris____@host109-151-164-189.range109-151.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [11:34] New vehicle on the map: 03jr_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=jr_chase [11:35] pop [11:36] garymortimer: did you notice the burst in the signal? [11:36] no just on the display [11:37] I didn't notice it either [11:38] pfysmate (1fdd5142@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.221.81.66) left irc: Quit: Page closed [11:40] I do like the speed of the LoRa images [11:40] only dropping one in 30 packets at moment [11:40] http://www.kingsheadhotel.net/ this might be pretty close by as well ;) [11:41] Too early for the folk night though [11:42] Johnwulp (~Johnwulp@92.109.151.65) joined #highaltitude. [11:43] PE2BZ (~pe2bz@032-145-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl) joined #highaltitude. [11:44] !flights [11:44] 03PE2BZ: Current flights: 03SP3OSJ 144.7MHz RTTY 100bd 450/7n2 10(b234), 03RPI Test Flight 10(7795), 03RAJ-2 launch 10(2df6) [11:44] !dial zstwh [11:44] 03PE2BZ: Can't find a flight doc matching your query [11:44] !dial rpi-pits [11:44] 03PE2BZ: Can't find a flight doc matching your query [11:44] !dial rpf-pits [11:44] 03PE2BZ: Latest dials for 03RPF-PITS 10(7795): 03434.603482 MHz, 434.603 MHz, 434.603444 MHz, 434.60312 MHz, 434.6026 MHz, 434.603483 MHz, 434.60333 MHz [11:45] !dial rpf-pits-lora [11:45] 03PE2BZ: Latest dials for 03RPF-PITS-LoRa 10(7795): none [11:45] PE2BZ: RPF-PITS on 434.604 [11:46] PE2G Thanks Frits. Had to check if my SDR-Play is on frequency ;-) [11:47] PE2BZ: np. O3 is up. [11:47] How should LORA have to look on the waterfall ? I see a 16 kHz broad carrier. [11:51] dl3yc (~yc@beta.szi.fh-jena.de) joined #highaltitude. [11:52] PE2BZ: this screenshot was on this channel a while ago: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/367935/upu-lora-explained.png [11:53] chris_99 (~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929) joined #highaltitude. [11:54] SA6BSS (~kvirc@81-236-232-232-no30.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:55] Asok (d572a04e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.114.160.78) joined #highaltitude. [11:55] oh that looks like my payload lol [11:55] all of the lora modes... [11:55] PE2G Tnx. Saw something that looked like it, but much weaker than the RTTY @434.600 [11:55] typo in that image [11:56] SA6BSS (~kvirc@81-236-232-232-no30.tbcn.telia.com) joined #highaltitude. [11:56] lora seems to be just a wide FSK mode. we could totally do better :) [11:57] umm lora is a chirp mode [11:57] dl3yc (~yc@beta.szi.fh-jena.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [11:58] probably QPSK with frequency hopping will work best [11:58] with perhaps some feedback so i can avoid interference [11:58] the receiver locks on to the chirp "ramp" preamble which also allows lots of overlapping lora signals to be decoded [11:58] *it [11:58] if lora was multiuser it would be great [11:58] but it isnt [11:59] (and open etc) [11:59] !flights [11:59] 03Whiteg6: Current flights: 03SP3OSJ 144.7MHz RTTY 100bd 450/7n2 10(b234), 03RPI Test Flight 10(7795), 03RAJ-2 launch 10(2df6) [11:59] what do you mean multiuser? [11:59] you cant have two people using a frequency at the same time [11:59] like with DSSS [12:00] well from what I understand you can especially if the chirp rates are different [12:00] i.e. different ramp speeds [12:01] yea but i still not think its great, and there is only one chirp pattern per configuration [12:02] well I lack real world experience but I guess lora is really meant for infrequent short bursts of data [12:03] Anyone Know what the $$$BARC RRTY is on 434.729 ? [12:03] jrchase could at least go and see if the pub is open! [12:03] yea indeed [12:04] so do you think something like rc dsss radios would work out for hab telemetry? [12:04] Whiteg6 at the west coast of the Netherlands no RTTY signal on 434.729 [12:04] perhaps not out of the box ones [12:04] you would have to make custom stuff [12:05] Cheers occasionally there is LAT/LON info and it puts it North of Sheffield [12:06] If it[ height is continuous perhaps it´s a ¨to be launched¨ balloon, near you ? [12:06] Whiteg6: they are http://sentintospace.com/ [12:07] ok1cdj (d5e2c165@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.226.193.101) left irc: Quit: Page closed [12:07] mattbrejza, but DSSS usually has more than one symbol per bit, right? meaning we'd need a radio that can jump between frequencies extremely quickly [12:08] dsss is fast bpsk (kinda) [12:08] Getting proper info now altitude is 8000ish metres [12:08] from a designing the tx point of view [12:08] SA6BSS (~kvirc@81-236-232-232-no30.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:08] a bit is many bits [12:08] it's a neat system [12:09] SA6BSS (~kvirc@81-236-232-232-no30.tbcn.telia.com) joined #highaltitude. [12:09] hmmh ok [12:10] chimpusm_ (~Chris@host86-178-84-49.range86-178.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:10] cheers fsphil [12:12] ah so the DSSS signal would be formed by modulating the data signal with pseudo noise, then just analog mixing it onto a carrier without any bpf to produces a wide "DSB" signal? [12:13] yea you'd have two sequences of pseudo random data, one represnting 0 and the other 1 [12:14] so you might be sending at 1000bit/s from the transmitters point of view [12:14] but the symbols could be 1000 bits long, and the actual data rate is 1bit/s [12:14] right, and by using different sequences multiple users can coexist on the same spectrum [12:14] exactly [12:15] I am a Futaba FASST user btw :) [12:15] Whiteg6 (d92cf33e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.44.243.62) left irc: Quit: Page closed [12:15] also if done on a hab you could use it for 'reverse gps' [12:16] I really want to try that [12:16] i wonder if the 'txdone' signal from the lora modules is useable [12:16] i suspect theres too much jitter in the signal [12:16] reverse gps? like trilateration? [12:17] yea [12:18] picked landing spot nicely ... as far away from any road as possible on the area ;) [12:18] the fast rate the pseudo code is sent at makes it good for timing [12:19] not sure what rate the GPS satellites use [12:19] I guess you can trilaterate just based on differences between successive receptions etc? [12:19] at least the FR24 receivers don't timestamp with GPS even though they have GPS built in [12:19] you'd need a number of receive stations, each with accurate clocks to compare receive time against [12:19] 1Mbit fsphil [12:20] nice. could be tricky making a transmitter [12:20] fsphil, yea but FR24 doesn't do that for trilateration. I thought that was the obvious ToA way [12:20] I wouldn't want to fly a hackrf [12:21] well all you need is a DAC of a new MSPS and a IQ modulator [12:21] *few [12:21] this would still be ToA [12:21] I forget the specifics but I remember that FR24 doesn't timestamp received messages and doesn't care about the latency between receiver and server [12:22] blitzortung record each RF spike from lightning and send that in along with the time since the last GPS PPS pulse [12:22] that's probably as simple as a ToA system could get [12:23] yes, but you need to GPS timestamp at the receiver [12:23] in a sense [12:23] FR24 system doesn't need that but of course the transmitter has to move and planes move pretty fast [12:24] so each receiver will see different time deltas between transmissions [12:25] and they just use that to trilaterate positions.. if I remember correctly. prog knows the details, there was a long discussion of it on #airspy :) [12:30] PE2G (PE2G@2001:982:57a:1:3c09:6cd8:4e0d:d86e) left #highaltitude. [12:31] I can imagine. could probably write a book on it :) [12:37] you can really see the swinging of the balloon for the lora tracker [12:38] anyway, would be very advantageous if the receivers didn't have to have a GPS PPS signal coming in [12:43] can't rely on doppler [12:45] gps at the receiver is simple though [12:46] and so cheap for the accuracy you get. [12:47] it's not doppler.. it's more like payload sends out 2 messages, 10 seconds apart.. receiver A sees them 10.0123s apart and B seems them 9.998s apart .. and send this info to the servers. [12:47] Asok (d572a04e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.114.160.78) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [12:47] so only a local clock is needed to track intervals instead of global gps clock [12:48] but probably the hab payloads are moving too slow to make it work. [12:48] that is doppler in a way - just over a longer time period. [12:49] yea, probably too slow. it's a neat trick though [12:49] and relies on the balloon moving? [12:49] yes [12:50] you couldn't get a position if it was too slow/still. [12:50] they do sometimes go straight up and down [12:50] yes I know. [12:50] I'm not saying it's viable, just wondering out loud :) [12:50] altitude accuracy will be pretty poor even for ToA with GPS :) [12:50] fair enough, nice trick :) [12:51] with global GPS clock and ToA, you'd need to account for local latency somehow [12:52] as long as you have the ToA relative to GPS time, network latency won't matter [12:52] if you are running windows with fldigi and random SDR and a random GPS.. how do you calibrate the arrival of the sentence and ppm [12:52] you don't use fldigi [12:52] right [12:52] do it in hardware/firmware [12:52] yea I was thinking airspy has a nice clock and gpio.. ;) [12:52] yep :) [12:52] you could do it with an airspy and in software if the gps pps signal could be included in what the airspy receives [12:53] just need the processing onboard to trigger on the right pulse [12:53] or that [12:53] I think Darkside did that with an rtlsdr once? [12:53] airspy normally sends 12bit samples in 16bit words.. so there's a few bits left for pps etc ;) [12:54] oh nice [12:54] easy modification to the firmware, just make ISR that flags the next packet for an extra bit [12:54] oops [12:55] forget that. it uses DMA from the ADC :( [12:55] so not as simple.. but the source is on github :) [12:57] michal_f (~michal_f@84-10-62-166.static.chello.pl) joined #highaltitude. [13:01] shame there is no ISM band near the GPS frequencies [13:16] New vehicle on the map: 03KE7IGH-13 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KE7IGH-13 [13:17] TT7 (4f7fd023@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.127.208.35) left irc: Quit: Page closed [13:38] LunarWork (~kevin@131.173.10.152) left irc: Quit: Verlassend [13:39] Herman_ (535426fa@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.84.38.250) left irc: Quit: Page closed [13:44] drsnik (~drsnik@gate3.ima.cz) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:46] drsnik (~drsnik@gate3.ima.cz) joined #highaltitude. [13:55] daveake says payloads recovered [13:56] SA6BSS (~kvirc@81-236-232-232-no30.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:58] Excellent [13:59] SA6BSS (~kvirc@81-236-232-232-no30.tbcn.telia.com) joined #highaltitude. [13:59] PE2BZ (~pe2bz@032-145-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:59] gratz for successful launch and recovery then ;) [14:00] SA6BSS (~kvirc@81-236-232-232-no30.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:01] DL7AD (d95cb146@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.92.177.70) joined #highaltitude. [14:01] SA6BSS (~kvirc@81-236-232-232-no30.tbcn.telia.com) joined #highaltitude. [14:13] ike (~ike@93.123.14.33) joined #highaltitude. [14:19] GargantuaSauce_ (~sauce@blk-224-179-181.eastlink.ca) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [14:19] GargantuaSauce (~sauce@blk-224-179-181.eastlink.ca) joined #highaltitude. [14:21] dl3yc (~yc@p4FCF6BC6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #highaltitude. [14:23] dokument (~dokument@cpe-72-182-50-56.austin.res.rr.com) joined #highaltitude. [14:25] Nick change: fl_0 -> fl_0|afk [14:26] Anybody on who copied the LoRa this morning ? Which mode setting did you use ? [14:27] Geoff-G8DHE: mode_1=1 [14:27] hum thats what I had but https://twitter.com/jrobinson_uk [14:27] same except mode_0=1 as used diff socket on baord [14:28] Geoff-G8DHE: ? [14:28] arlook at the photo with the gateway setting he was using mode=0 ? [14:29] not seeing any photos of settings Geoff-G8DHE [14:29] Guess you mean ones from 15th jul on left [14:29] ah found it [14:29] Yup thoise can't find a link specific [14:30] both on the gateway and the Pi .... [14:30] Geoff-G8DHE: Dave replied: "@jrobinson_uk Change to mode 1 if you want to send SSDV over LoRa" [14:30] 22 hours ago [14:30] The announcement email thread had the correct settings [14:31] OK just saw the image just now and wondered, must be something else then at my end! [14:32] I had: f=434.402, mode=1, afc=off [14:32] Also EnableSSDV=Y [14:33] dl3yc (~yc@p4FCF6BC6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [14:33] I was pretty impressed as normally i would have struggled with 300 baud for a similar fight. An i did not have an LNA running after killing it. [14:33] Yup those were mine in essence, I think there might have been something else as it was ignoring the AFC & kbd commands after seeing first packet [14:33] begginning to think it locked up after first packet [14:34] Kbd commands didn't work for me either [14:34] oh right [14:34] afc only ran occasionally [14:34] (when enabled) [14:34] I had afc on and it seemed to do an ok job. Did not try manually adjusting anything [14:34] previously it has worked fine so wasn't expecting nothing at all :-( [14:35] :-( [14:35] was the DIO0/5 set up ok? [14:35] Did you get checksum failures, ot absolutely noithing? [14:35] Think I'll have to make the second channel Tx then I can Rx my own. [14:36] As soon as the Packet SNR and AFC line appeared it would freeze [14:36] So almost like one packet? [14:36] but it only did when there was a transmission [14:36] yup a single packet and it seemed to freeze [14:37] Mine wasn't interactive at all - but worked [14:37] daveake, mentioned last night there was a problem and sent another set of files but that was the same as well [14:38] only thing i can possibly add was that when working with Dave troubleshooting some issues i has sending from pits if dio0 was wrong then it only ever sent first packet, not sure if that would also be case for receiving. [14:38] are you using one of the pi boards upu sells? [14:39] don't think that was the situation, the ports haven't changed since it last worked on mattbrejza flight which used all modes [14:39] SF6 might need something different though [14:40] ok, just seen a fair few diff port configs depending on version of boards [14:40] Geoff-G8DHE: Have you updated the firmware recently? to 4.0? [14:40] (if you have, it would be worth checking that the SPI port still works) [14:41] I updated to what dave sent last night so assumed that was most recent, as well as another copy which is the current git master, both behaved the same [14:41] WEBSDR was running 4.0 and Dave's latest git though, so should have been fine [14:41] Mine was running latest github version from last night [14:43] _charlie (80f3028d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.243.2.141) left irc: Quit: Page closed [14:43] I had to change the DIO0 ports etc after installing as my version 2.3 board has ce0 as 6/5 and not 31/26 [14:44] and ce1 is 27/26 [14:44] I'm on 2.0 board [14:45] malgar (~malgar@adsl-ull-198-55.49-151.net24.it) joined #highaltitude. [14:46] good chance then config is ok. Can only find 2.3 hardware details on github [14:50] number10 (d42c14ce@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.44.20.206) left irc: Quit: Page closed [14:53] DL7AD (d95cb146@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.92.177.70) left irc: Quit: Page closed [14:55] Neil__ (516570b5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.101.112.181) joined #highaltitude. [14:56] fd [14:56] Hi [14:57] Neil__ (516570b5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.101.112.181) left irc: Client Quit [15:04] SA6BSS-Mike (~kvirc@81-236-232-232-no30.tbcn.telia.com) joined #highaltitude. [15:05] trn (jhj@trnsz.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:07] SA6BSS (~kvirc@81-236-232-232-no30.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [15:09] afternoon [15:09] hi you got them all back ? [15:09] yup all good [15:10] 650m from the road [15:10] middle of a field of broad beans [15:10] not so bad then, and your now full of beans! [15:10] it looked at one pint like you drove into them [15:10] pint/point [15:10] about 60% on the scale where maize is 100% [15:11] Norfolk needs to get 3G [15:11] Is that a boy band? [15:11] found coverage elsewhere in the country is no bterr this year :-( [15:11] re comments above about the gateway yes you have to get DIO0/5 right [15:11] well DIO0 [15:12] iirc DIO5 isn't used right now [15:12] if iDIO0 is wrong it will either get 0 packets or just 1, I think [15:12] is there any code about using the gatweay in Tx mode ? [15:13] might just double check that in a minute then [15:13] gateway doesn't tx [15:14] it was just a thought as it would be easier to test then when you have two channels! [15:15] :) [15:15] make a tracker :) [15:15] anyway pub calls [15:16] Might have to resort to that! [15:16] enjoy! [15:16] trn (jhj@trnsz.com) joined #highaltitude. [15:17] nope DIO0=31/6 sp should be right [15:17] ipdove (~ipdove@interclub.plus.com) left irc: Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de [15:23] I have the v2.3 board and chan 0 defaults to the correct settings but if I had chan 1 it looks like that would need overrides [15:24] that's on a B+ [15:24] How do you mean overrides ? [15:25] settings in the gateway.txt, rather than just leaving them out [15:25] Oh yes have them all set excuse [15:25] tracker=G8DHE [15:25] EnableHabitat=Y [15:25] EnableSSDV=Y [15:25] LogTelemetry=Y [15:25] CallingTimeout=30 [15:25] frequency_0=434.400 [15:25] mode_0=1 [15:25] DIO0_0=31 [15:25] DIO5_0=26 [15:25] AFC_0=Y [15:25] frequency_1=434.400 [15:25] mode_1=1 [15:25] DIO0_1=6 [15:25] DIO5_1=5 [15:25] AFC_1=Y [15:27] hmm, for the v2.3 on a B+ it's DIO0_0=6 DIO5_0=5 DIO0_1=27 DIO5_1=26 [15:28] so I assume you have a different version of something [15:28] Mines a V2 board, that seems to match the examples [15:30] I don't know the history [15:31] Me neither, the numbering was different I think mine are marked Ch1 and Ch2 [15:32] the numbers I quoted above are printed on the v2.3 PCB [15:34] ok1cdj (d5e2c165@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.226.193.101) joined #highaltitude. [15:35] the new boards have the DIO details on the silk [15:36] 2.3 CE0 = DIO0 6 DIO5 5 [15:36] CE1 = DIO0 27 DIO5 26 [15:37] any contact for station which can track rtty in YO ?? RAJ-2 heading to YO now.. [15:37] UpuWork: can you confirm Geoff-G8DHE's settings for the V2 board? [15:37] yeah 1 sec [15:38] helps not to pull yur network cable out when plugging in the webcam! [15:39] IF PS 46 stays on track it will fly bob over my house [15:41] one module is on DIO0 = 6 DIO5 = 5 [15:42] the other bear with me I find wpi->gpio confusing as hell [15:42] yes they are rather aren't they! [15:42] DIO0 = 31 DIO5 = 26 [15:44] http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/LoRa/index.php?ind=1 [15:44] so that looks like what Geoof has if the latter one was chan 0 [15:45] its worked in the past, and pretty certain never needed or fiddled with the ports so bemused [15:45] fab4space (~fab4space@109.237.242.98) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [15:47] New vehicle on the map: 03SQ6KXQ_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SQ6KXQ_chase [15:47] yep, me too [15:52] Lunar_Lander (~kevin@p548885C6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #highaltitude. [15:53] hello [15:53] afternoon Lunar_Lander [15:53] thanks [15:53] how's life? [15:53] Back from pluto already? [15:54] :) ah not yet, tomorrow will be with good pictures :) [15:54] I meant you, back from pluto to the moon (lunar) [15:54] :P [15:55] michal_f (~michal_f@84-10-62-166.static.chello.pl) left irc: Quit: Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- [15:55] ah right [15:55] craag: hes still thre so thers a 9hr lag [15:55] Nick change: Lunar_Lander -> Pluto_Visitor [15:55] thanks [15:55] hes actually answering yesdurdays irc questions [15:55] :D [15:55] (well this morning [15:55] lol mattbrejza [15:55] XD [15:56] number10 (5689ba97@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.137.186.151) joined #highaltitude. [16:00] SP6RYD (3e57f887@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.87.248.135) joined #highaltitude. [16:00] Hi [16:00] RAJ-2 QRG ? [16:02] garymortimer (9a49dfc7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.154.73.223.199) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [16:03] 434.690 +/- drift [16:04] malgar (~malgar@adsl-ull-198-55.49-151.net24.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [16:04] sp6ryd but now is near your horizont.. [16:05] Yes, I know to late ;) [16:05] despite QRL :( [16:08] yes.. but all going ok... is only solar powered, no battery... [16:08] signal is still audiable and visable but no decode to many local QRM from short range devices [16:11] maybe you can copy CW [16:11] http://i.gyazo.com/08bd174fe125d6c697ccc4756984490f.png [16:12] great is over 300 km from you... [16:13] Swecobran (~rooms@78-70-253-95-no149.tbcn.telia.com) joined #highaltitude. [16:13] the best of decoding : "$$%$RAJ-2,1873,16:]04,4<.776501,2001563,08966038,2>5v$\,12bBl35F|" [16:16] Swecobran (~rooms@78-70-253-95-no149.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Client Quit [16:18] dock9 (sid49786@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iyikawvftdgtisrb) joined #highaltitude. [16:18] number10 (5689ba97@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.137.186.151) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [16:32] qutt [16:32] QUIT [16:34] SP6RYD (3e57f887@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.87.248.135) left irc: [16:35] Geoff-G8DHE The current gateway code defaults DIO5/0 to the ones on the production LoRa boards [16:35] Unfortunately, and I blame Upu ofc, prototype boards had different pin allocations [16:35] so earlier gateway code had different defaults [16:39] Geoff-G8DHE mail me at work I'll send you a new one [16:40] Not till Monday as I'm on hols now [16:40] Ah right so the code has changed for the new boards has it! [16:40] yeah [16:41] we'd put one of them on a reserved pin [16:41] "we" [16:41] :) [16:41] can it not be overridden from the gateway.txt file ? [16:41] yes [16:41] DIO0_1= [16:41] etc [16:41] yes I've always had them set [16:42] tbh if I wasn't so lazy I could get the code to check what DIO0/5 are connected to [16:42] James (Pi bloke) had the wrong settings [16:42] and it behalyved very strange [16:42] like my typing [16:44] Ah I'll see if I can refer backwards and see if it hs changed then, that might explain it I sort of assumed that if specified in the file it would match the board [16:44] New vehicle on the map: 03KC9LHW-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KC9LHW-11 [16:44] sumie-dh_ (~sumie-dh@gw.mediafactory.cz) left irc: Ping timeout: 250 seconds [16:44] New vehicle on the map: 03KC9LIG-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KC9LIG-11 [16:47] Upu, OK I'll drop you a note in due course if I can't get it to function! [16:51] pid (pidpawel@unaffiliated/pidpawel) left irc: Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds. [16:51] pid (pidpawel@2001:41d0:a:4a28::1) joined #highaltitude. [16:51] pid (pidpawel@2001:41d0:a:4a28::1) left irc: Changing host [16:51] pid (pidpawel@unaffiliated/pidpawel) joined #highaltitude. [16:51] niu (5489dc94@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.137.220.148) left irc: Quit: Page closed [16:58] anyone hearing RAJ-2 now ?? [17:00] [14:33:34] Yup those were mine in essence, I think there might have been something else as it was ignoring the AFC & kbd commands after seeing first packet [17:00] Yes that's definitely wrong DIO settings; I've seen exactly the same [17:19] !track RAJ-2 [17:19] 03Upu: Here you go - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RAJ-2 [17:20] bit far out for me :) [17:44] DL7AD (~quassel@p4FD41FEE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #highaltitude. [17:46] DL7AD (~quassel@p4FD41FEE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:58] Nick change: fl_0|afk -> fl_0 [18:06] ghoti (~paul@hq.experiencepoint.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:07] DL7AD (~quassel@p4FD41FEE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #highaltitude. [18:08] chris_99 (~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:08] ok1cdj: http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/146616_trj001.gif prediction on RAj [18:09] chris_99 (~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929) joined #highaltitude. [18:09] thanks mike [18:09] i think that was lost in thunderstorm [18:10] over slovakia [18:10] ahh, ok [18:14] runnig a solar experiment here to, a lithium AAA bat in paralell with 3 solar panels hopefully it will survive night nr 2 on the battery, I´l now tomorrow :) [18:18] daveake, Are the board files available for the version 2.0 board ? Can't see them on github :-( [18:18] sec Geoff-G8DHE [18:18] OK nps [18:18] https://www.dropbox.com/s/6n02b3tmyyzrtrf/PiLoraGatewayV2.brd?dl=0 [18:18] https://www.dropbox.com/s/ocu6do7c3kigqdd/PiLoraGatewayV2.sch?dl=0 [18:18] ah ha [18:18] I never put them on github [18:18] as I never officially released those [18:19] You were an early adopter/beta tester :) [18:19] _charlie (80f3028d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.243.2.141) joined #highaltitude. [18:19] Oh ok only the .sch files just wanted to see where the i/o pins went so was hping fpr the .pdf are they there as well ? [18:20] nope [18:20] want a PDF ? [18:20] prefer I don't have eagle or whatever [18:21] hello [18:22] evening [18:22] had an important observation today [18:22] used the attiny841 with the arduino IDE [18:22] ? [18:23] and I wanted to use the ADC [18:23] if you want to use the pins as analogue, the enumberation is totally different to the arduino enumberation [18:23] i.e. "pin 3" is "pin A9" on analogue [18:24] ah you mean like just LoRa boards between versions ;-) [18:24] :) [18:24] https://www.dropbox.com/s/ocu6do7c3kigqdd/PiLoraGatewayV2.sch?dl=0 [18:24] .sch again ? [18:25] eh [18:25] https://www.dropbox.com/s/9uu0lyxjbfy3u1l/PiLoraGatewayV2.pdf?dl=0 [18:25] sorry [18:25] :) [18:26] mclane_ (~quassel@p5B02E2D6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #highaltitude. [18:26] ight I can compare that with the 2.4 version now and se what needs chaging Thanks [18:27] Lemml (~andreas@p4FEEAC92.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:28] Hix (~Hix@97e05587.skybroadband.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [18:28] Hiena (~boreger@81.93.195.181.datatrans.hu) joined #highaltitude. [18:30] chimpusm_ (~Chris@host86-178-84-49.range86-178.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. 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[19:00] ping daveake [19:01] pung [19:01] Quick question about the PITS+ board, if I were to add external sensors, where is the data stored? Is it passed to habhub or is it stored on the Pi [19:02] sent to habhub, and stored too if you ask it to log telemetry to the sd card [19:03] does habhub display it in graph form? [19:03] just using it for classroom stuff [19:06] number10 (5689ba97@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.137.186.151) joined #highaltitude. [19:07] For live graphs, x-f has a great site that does that. [19:07] Can't remember the URL sorry [19:08] ok, cheers ;) [19:10] also you can grab as csv for example from habhub [19:10] ok1cdj (d5e2c165@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.226.193.101) left irc: Quit: Page closed [19:11] ah, perfect. One word. Excel [19:16] perfect and excel in the same sentence ? [19:17] SpeedEvil (~quassel@tor/regular/SpeedEvil) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [19:19] http://x-f.lv/dev/habitat-graphs/payload/ [19:23] SpeedEvil (~quassel@tor/regular/SpeedEvil) joined #highaltitude. [19:25] cheers :) [19:25] Lemml (~andreas@p4FEEAC92.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #highaltitude. [19:26] Thanks [19:31] sumie-dh (~sumie-dh@nat.brmlab.cz) joined #highaltitude. [19:35] Hix (~Hix@97e05587.skybroadband.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [19:37] Hix (~Hix@97e05587.skybroadband.com) joined #highaltitude. [19:39] daveake: how many i2c sensors would you be able to attach to the board? [19:44] they all need unique addresses [19:44] Or an expander [19:46] jet__ (545c7455@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.92.116.85) joined #highaltitude. [19:46] Just a quick question, how do you fill out the 'OS Grid ref' part of the CAA form? [19:46] I have a grid reference number of ST 66954 68233 [19:47] Are the eastings and northings the ones without decimal points? What is the map number and grid letters? [19:47] chrisstubbs (~chrisstub@host86-190-252-20.range86-190.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [19:49] mclane_ (~quassel@p5B02E2D6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:53] New position from 03KK6UUQ-1 after 0312 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KK6UUQ-1 [19:58] http://gridreferencefinder.com/ [19:58] About time the CAA accepted GPS coords [19:59] Laurenceb_ (~Laurence@host81-129-226-127.range81-129.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [19:59] Yeah I've been using that site. [19:59] None of it makes any sense [19:59] The form wants the easting and northing to 3 fig. [20:00] When I do that and re-search those into the system, they come up in the atlantic ocean [20:00] Also I've got no clue what the map number and grid letters are [20:00] for 3 figs you take the first 3 [20:00] Yeah, and I rounded up the third because the fourth was greater than or equal to 5 [20:01] yeah [20:01] But I re-searched those 3 figure easting and northings into the same website. The result was somewhere in the atlantic. [20:01] and you don't need a real map - just get the OS one up on bing and take a screenshot [20:01] just read them off the OS map? [20:02] ik. I'm going to screenshot it off bing [20:02] remember your gcse geography ;) [20:03] As I'm aware, bing OS maps hasn't got any facility for me to read the co-ords. [20:04] I just put in the post code into gridreferencefinder.com [20:04] It gave me a grid reference ST 66954 68233 Eastings 366954 Northings 168233 [20:04] its written on the maps (but yes, im sure that website is easier) [20:04] try http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/gps/transformation [20:05] go PS-46 [20:06] I took the first 3 fig of those easting and northings, so Eastings 367 and Northings 168 [20:06] If you search those 3 fig values, they give you a value in the Ocean, a long way off mainland UK. [20:07] BitEvil (~quassel@tor/regular/SpeedEvil) joined #highaltitude. [20:07] Nick change: SpeedEvil -> Guest53868 [20:07] Guest53868 (~quassel@tor/regular/SpeedEvil) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [20:07] DarkCow (~DarkCow@cpc22-acto3-2-0-cust128.4-2.cable.virginm.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [20:10] dokument (~dokument@cpe-72-182-50-56.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:11] And I have no idea what the Map No. and Grid Letters are [20:11] All I have is ST 66954 68233 [20:24] jcoxon (~jcoxon@167.136.90.146.dyn.plus.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:25] You have mixed up the XY co-ords with the Eastings Northings, drop the first digit of the XY they represent the ST of the OS Maps the Next 3 digits of each is the Eastings and Northings [20:26] So ST 667 682 [20:27] So So what is the ST? [20:27] Corrctio ST 670 682 ST is the OS sheet map square. [20:27] Hiena (~boreger@81.93.195.181.datatrans.hu) left irc: Quit: Konversation terminated! [20:28] Monty_1 (05466c06@gateway/web/freenode/ip.5.70.108.6) joined #highaltitude. [20:28] So what is the eastings and northings 3 fig? [20:29] ST is the 100Km OS square followed by Eastings 670 and Northings 682 [20:29] this gives a location just to the SE of Bristol Keynsham [20:30] But inputting eastings 670 and northings 682 into the site gives a location in the atlantic [20:31] No your confused Eastings is just a term to indicate units to the EAST and Northings units to the North, [20:31] es5nhc (~tarmo@108-40-71-217.static.internet.emt.ee) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:32] So the 3 fig eastings is 670 and northings is 682? [20:32] on the map you used they replaced the ST with the matching number of Kms 3 and 1 so OS map ST= 3 1 followed by the remaing 3 digits East and North [20:33] Ok, so eastings 670 and northings 682 [20:33] Yes and MAP square ST [20:33] Map no. it says? [20:33] And grid letters [20:34] grid letters same thing ST [20:34] So I put ST as grid letters? [20:34] What is the Map No.? [20:35] if you look up the paper maps they have a number that is 172 I think for Bristol [20:35] https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=os+map+numbers&num=100&newwindow=1&safe=off&tbm=isch&imgil=iLgCoBE9S3TRUM%253A%253BTThSRmz7J1tV3M%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.cassinimaps.co.uk%25252Fshop%25252FmaplinksPE.asp&source=iu&pf=m&fir=iLgCoBE9S3TRUM%253A%252CTThSRmz7J1tV3M%252C_&biw=1244&bih=1046&usg=__uUfW-ngGhSfGEblPaNDfnoLEAdU%3D&ved=0CE4QyjdqFQoTCMqap5_A4MYCFcI9FAod1VUFqw&ei=nxWoVYrPAcL7UNWrldgK [20:35] #imgrc=iLgCoBE9S3TRUM%3A&usg=__uUfW-ngGhSfGEblPaNDfnoLEAdU%3D [20:35] Ok. [20:36] Thank you! [20:36] How do they not have any instruction on this? [20:36] http://www.cassinimaps.co.uk/shop/uploads/popular/POPavailableAll.gif [20:36] Thank you so much [20:36] I've now filled out the form lol [20:36] If your usding paper maps they have a write up on the cover!¬ [20:37] I am going to buy a paper map I think as well [20:37] I have just been using bing :\ [20:37] Thank you very much for your help [20:37] On the tracker select OS map from the dropdown, but its difficult to read the grid numbers etc. [20:38] Yes that's what I've been doing [20:38] Hix (~Hix@97e05587.skybroadband.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [20:38] Thanks so much for your help [20:38] You should see the HERMES launch on the calendar in late august [20:39] I have to go now, cheers again and I'll be able to do it myself in future :D [20:39] nps [20:39] bye! [20:39] jet__ (545c7455@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.92.116.85) left irc: Quit: Page closed [20:41] yl73epc (2e6dd295@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.109.210.149) joined #highaltitude. 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