[00:02] It certainly is - time for bed in the UK already. [00:03] But welcome to the early night shift. The guys from the antipodes will be along for the early morning shift in four or five hours time. [00:03] and us left coasters are just getting started [00:03] I guess it's 2nd shift for now, eh? [00:04] Yes, a bit difficult to get everyone around the table at the same time, but it certainly makes better use of the bandwidth to have the continents each take a turn and work the overlaps. [00:05] FWIW, I used to work for a UK-based company and it worked very well to have someone on the US West coast to cover support when everybody else was in bed [00:06] was a pain to have company meetings early AM my time, but like you said, it's hard [00:06] The company was obviously not keen on paying overtime rates . . . [00:06] I assume it's because those in the UK are smarter than we are? ;-) [00:07] I bet that no one had support problems when the Indian desk was active . . . I don't know about that, for sure, but at least Scotland wised up on the way ahead, one way or another. [00:08] I'm going to plead being an ignorant American on the whole Scottish issue... [00:09] bbjunkie (~bbjunkie@i-83-67-136-45.freedom2surf.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:09] But now I know that Scotch can only be made in Scotland. I didn't know that before [00:09] DL7AD_ (~quassel@p57922060.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [00:09] and they don't know how to spell Whiskey [00:09] :-) [00:09] The things I learn from current events.... [00:10] bbjunkie (~bbjunkie@i-83-67-136-45.freedom2surf.net) joined #highaltitude. [00:10] Maybe for the best Brad. (QRZ) it would have been messy, but as it is it's going to be different for everyone. [00:11] Well as off-topic as it is, it honestly does sound like maybe there were some lessons learned and that life will be better in the future... maybe? [00:11] Oh, we all learned where the Falklands were (again) when Argentina took an interest, so it's adversity that fuels our knowledge of geography amongst other things [00:11] marshall_law (~marshall_@97-93-250-124.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:12] Best to learn about geopgraphy through HAB though. I have to go as I am bee farming in the morning. [00:12] wear protection :-) [00:12] good luck, sorry to be flippant [00:12] bees are pretty cool and important [00:13] Hope to catch you again . . . yeah, telling people that you have a thing for naked girls in boxes is a great conversation starter. People take a shocked interest until they click what you mean . . . [00:14] marshall_law (~marshall_@97-93-250-124.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) joined #highaltitude. [00:15] wow I guess things _are_ the same the world over eh? [00:15] marshall_law (~marshall_@97-93-250-124.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:16] Most certainly and there isn't anything wrong with flippancy. Gnite for now though. [00:16] goodnight [00:16] DL7AD_ (~quassel@p5DD1410A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #highaltitude. [00:20] DL7AD (~quassel@p57922060.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [00:22] bbjunkie (~bbjunkie@i-83-67-136-45.freedom2surf.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:22] bbjunkie (~bbjunkie@i-83-67-136-45.freedom2surf.net) joined #highaltitude. [00:25] Laurenceb_ (~Laurence@host86-185-240-53.range86-185.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [00:26] kf7fer, so did ya get it working? [00:36] bbjunkie_ (~bbjunkie@i-83-67-136-45.freedom2surf.net) joined #highaltitude. [00:36] bbjunkie (~bbjunkie@i-83-67-136-45.freedom2surf.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:51] aadamson: you mean the 12lbs of...uh... stuff... in a 10lb sack? Not yet. Still working on it. Otherwise life is good [00:51] In real units: 10lb = 4.5359237 kg [00:51] thanks SIbot [00:52] hehe... yeah, that thing :) [00:53] I'll make it work. Spent the past couple days testing new boards that came in. I ended up 3 for 3... I'm really having problems with production and I think it's related to "too much solder paste" [00:53] who's stencil are you using? [00:53] and is it single part related? [00:53] I want to try something besides mylar stencils... OSH Stencils [00:53] I think it's me [00:53] or maybe outdated paste? [00:53] from them I'd only use 3mil stencil, not 5 [00:54] hmmm... been using the default. I think I get too much paste on some parts even if I hold the squeegee nearly vertical [00:54] on my stainless one that I did with hackvana, I went through and all the passives and most of the chips, I decreased the paste layer size by 6mil from the copper size [00:54] oh so you say I need to change the board? [00:55] I can't remember if he's defaulting to 3 or 5 mil [00:55] not not the board, the paste layer [00:55] right, sorry. but more the design than the application [00:55] in diptrace (I don't use eagle), I can adjust the paste layer openings separate from the copper layer [00:55] yes [00:55] it made a *huge* difference [00:56] but because the mylar (isn't really mylar, but some other plastic) is cut with a laser [00:56] the holes are rough and allow *more* paste that you really need [00:56] plus having less with *center* the parts better [00:56] ah ok. I'll have to double-check what I actually did. I've just been sending in the raw .brd file and had a stencil made [00:57] like I said, with my last set I went 3 for 3. Before that, not so good. [00:57] I think new paste helps [00:58] vs the old, nasty stuff from May ;-) [00:58] yeah I use this stuff, it's awesome [00:59] http://www.cmlsupply.com/electronics-materials/solder-paste.html [00:59] in fact on these .8mm boards I really need to redo my reflow profile, it only needs to go to 225C and it's going to 250... [00:59] on 1.6mm it works great, but these thinner boards don't need the heat [01:00] I had a tube of that for over 3 years and it worked great... finally ran out of the tube and used another of the same [01:00] good stuff - but is leaded [01:00] Well I'm a leaded kinda guy... right now anyways :-) [01:00] I was looking for that but settled for http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?KeyWords=KE1507-ND&WT.z_header=search_go [01:01] didn't know if cmlsupply was a good place to order from. I'll try them next time [01:01] DL7AD (~quassel@p5DD1410A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #highaltitude. [01:01] looks like similar stuff actually [01:01] but that ez profile comes highly recommended by lots o folks [01:02] ok I'll try next time. This time, things went great. But I have struggled a bit and I know the design works so the problem is in my process [01:02] yeah... where I have a problem once in a while is the dfn/qfn parts [01:02] but I haven't had that problem since I went to a polished stainless stencil [01:04] well dfn has killed me really - I can make them work, but it's been really hard [01:04] TPS6120x [01:05] typically I'm not getting enough paste on the ground ends [01:05] yeah, Si4463, ltc3526l in my case :) [01:05] took me a few boards to learn to add a few drops of paste on the end just to make sure... [01:05] oh, that was another HUGE change that I made for the better [01:05] one of the reasons I fear the Si446x [01:06] on those that have *thermal* ground pads, I use as little paste as I can, but still have paste [01:06] this *sucks* the chip down when it flows [01:06] oh the 446x is actually *really easy* and even easier to fix [01:06] in all those that I've built, I've never had a problem with it [01:06] at least its like 4x4 or something so it's really easy [01:07] really? I've started reflowing just the TPS6120x and then correcting any problems before I hand solder the rest of the parts [01:07] I have a tps6120x board as well and never had a problem [01:07] one thing I was told and so I did on this latest round of boards [01:08] when you have a part that connects to ground [01:08] actually I don't even thin you can do what I can with diptrace so ignore that [01:08] but on all my *thermals* I *shunk* the paste layer on the ground thermals [01:09] and I noticed a huge difference [01:09] occasionally I'd get one that would *float* a little high - not any more... :) [01:09] I suspect I'm getting too much paste despite my best efforts. I'll have to give that a go. I do know how little paste is really needed [01:09] I've burned myself on the TPS6120x [01:09] marshall_law (~marshall_@97-93-250-124.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) joined #highaltitude. [01:09] if you look at the datasheet, some of them tell you in percentages [01:10] I learned to debug by putting my finger on the TPS6120x and then applying power... and disconnecting as soon as I feel the burn ;-) [01:10] *or* at least give you a paste layer dimensional drawing [01:10] do you like the 6120x? [01:10] not anymore than my ex-wife. Why? [01:11] I tested it and the ltc3526l on a single AAA with a 66ma draw (just what I had in resistors) [01:11] marshall_law (~marshall_@97-93-250-124.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:11] and the 3526l would last longer on the AAA than the 6120x [01:11] somewhere I have my notes on that [01:11] I also checked the current draw at 2.0v on my board, and it was higher on the 6120x than the 3526l [01:12] the efficiency curve was that much different [01:12] hmmm... only issue is I'll need 300mA or so [01:12] I *am* going to try the mcp1640 too just because those that use like it [01:12] yeah if you need that much that's going to be a problem I think [01:12] and that may put you up in the curve where what I saw won't effect you... [01:12] I only need < 100 [01:13] so as I've heard... it sucks to be me ;-) [01:13] you damn, high power guys :) [01:14] Guess so. Of course I keep reading how 1W isn't enough power on APRS [01:14] I'll be happy to get 250mW [01:14] 1W... wat... I *only* ever run 10mW and today was a really good test [01:15] over 200m of range on 10mW at 24000 feet on a dipole :) [01:15] In real units: 24000 feet = 7315.2 metres [01:15] I've really been impressed at how well 10mW can really work. [01:15] yep me too, it's amazing [01:15] I'm a convert on power, just too stupid to understand the designs [01:17] so do you tie N_RESET on your u-blox GPS high? [01:18] bobbinnumerous (~bobbinnum@ec2-54-201-199-156.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [01:19] that's pin 9 FWIW [01:19] just curious [01:20] I just saw a design that didn't pull pin 9 high; and I re-read the data sheet and it only says to basically NOT pull pin 9 low. Other than that, no comment [01:20] hang on, let me handle a couple of other things and I'll get right back to you... [01:20] if you pull pin 9 high you can get VCC right to the edge of the GPS and make decoupling easier [01:20] ok [01:20] uhh, what the shit? [01:21] my ublox gps module is spitting out only '$'s [01:21] ... did I do something absurdly wrong? [01:22] never saw that. And I'd bet money I've killed more ublox GPSes than anyone else here ;-) [01:23] not that it means I know how they work... only how to leave them dead [01:23] oh.. you using TinyGPS? [01:23] nope [01:23] kf7fer, ok, here's what I do. [01:23] so it actually gives $ in the raw data? [01:24] easier to take a picture... hang on [01:24] I always get normal looking output but no real data [01:24] aadamson: np [01:26] kf7fer, - http://imgur.com/qbk1hEp [01:26] really getting only '$'s sounds like a software problem. Try looking at the raw data with an FTDI adapter or something [01:26] ignore the gps_en marking [01:26] you still power your ublox off and on? [01:26] when I set the gps_en pin low, it turns on the gps [01:26] when it's high its off [01:27] yes, for now [01:27] I can go either way, but all my flights have been with turning it on and off [01:27] right. ok, cool [01:27] remember PSM is only a 50% duty cycle [01:27] so you do what I do... pull RESET_N high [01:27] so if you use it default, it's a 1 sec cycle [01:27] does make board layout easier [01:27] yes [01:27] I thint that is what Anthony suggests as well [01:28] I had problems getting Trackuino recovering from powering the gps off... but my test code seemed to work ok. Not sure where the problem was [01:28] and by "off" I mean keeping VBAT alive [01:29] I just really wanted to make sure I wasn't doing something stupid ;-) [01:29] yes I do the same... vbat is live always [01:29] the other 3 get switched [01:29] but stupid I mean tying N_RESET high [01:29] by processor as needed [01:29] ok. As soon as I migrate to a real processor with a few more free I/O pins I'll do that ;-) [01:30] *cough*STM32*cough [01:30] hehe [01:31] mheld: Sorry I can't help. How is your ublox set up? [01:31] kf7fer: looks like I did something wrong :-P [01:31] I really hate when that happens [01:33] kf7fer: if you're really interested -> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63726/schematic.png [01:34] mheld: let me compare your schematic to the datasheet [01:34] where is pin 1? [01:35] sorry, am lazy. I should be able to see it [01:36] hah don't worry about it -- the stuff runs and works [01:36] it's just not super efficient now [01:37] but wasn't it not working? [01:37] pin one is bottom right of the Max7 block [01:37] it was a firmware thing [01:37] <- pebkac [01:37] oh. I'd really give you a hard time if I hadn't done the same thing myself ;-) [01:38] your layout is 180 degrees from mine [01:38] I only need to sample GPS once/twice a day [01:39] and trying to conserve battery as much as possible [01:39] so, screwing with firmware to fully power off the gps receiver and do fun stuff with airplane mode for the gsm receiver [01:39] nice. You should really add a 0.1uF decoupling cap close to the MAX gps [01:39] + sleep mode in the atmel xmega [01:40] honestly, I'm not going to be using ublox next rev [01:40] we've already picked the simcom918 (next gen 908) [01:40] really? why not? don't care about the size/weight? [01:40] cheaper? [01:40] marshall_law (~marshall_@97-93-250-124.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) joined #highaltitude. [01:40] your goals seem much different than the typical HAB tracker [01:41] don't care about GPS updates [01:41] looks like power/weight isn't an issue [01:41] but still a cool problem to solve :-) [01:41] hah power is the major issue [01:41] I need it to consume the least amount of power [01:41] we're putting a bunch of D cells in it, too, so we get less leakage [01:42] ublox is too much? I haven't tested it but I keep seeing reports of 5mA once a fix is obtained in cyclic mode. You can beat that? [01:42] the problem is that I only need data once (maybe twice) a day [01:42] Hes (Nofwipx@tunkki.fi) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [01:42] ah... so turn the damn thing off and who cares what it costs to get a fix? [01:42] so it seems to be cheaper, battery-wise, to keep the receiver off as much as possible [01:43] right. I got you [01:43] So really cheaper than the $15US ublox MAX-8 price? [01:44] [01:44] SP9UOB-Tom (~verox@matrix.verox.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [01:44] [01:44] Vostok (vostok@kapsi.fi) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [01:44] kf7fer: we're putting 35k units in the field next month :-) [01:45] Vostok (vostok@kapsi.fi) joined #highaltitude. [01:45] heh. well then, guess you really can beat qty 25 heh? :-) [01:45] good luck - sounds like a fun project [01:45] thanks [01:45] just gotta make it work [01:46] lucky that I'm not actually touching the production stuff [01:46] just this demo unit [01:46] the less you touch the less blame spreads ;-) [01:47] I believe that is a universal truth [01:47] don't be "that guy" who updates the e-mail server when the head of sales can't remember his password ;-) [01:48] hah, I've come to terms with the fact that I'm a pretty shitty mediocre engineer [01:50] don't put yourself down too much. There is a ton of stuff out in this world that was done "just good enough". But then again, I'm old, bitter, and jaded [01:50] but really you don't have to be a genius to do good work [01:51] especially if you care. I've seen too much stuff done by people who don't [01:51] Too many don't. [01:51] That's why we have highly sophisticated toasters with bugs. [01:51] that's really the problem isn't it? [01:52] I totally agree. [01:52] does anybody has information abou t BC02 and BC03 ? [01:52] Hes (BJ3XJF5@tunkki.fi) joined #highaltitude. [01:54] kf7fer: :-) I'm good at other things [01:54] I'm a generalist [01:55] !flight BC02 [01:55] 03DL7AD_: Can't find a flight doc matching your query [01:58] mheld: being a generalist is good. Don't be a 51yo specialist in a product nobody uses anymore ;-) [01:59] but to be more on-topic: Does it help that hardware I designed and built just went 2 for 2 on flights in the last 10 days? [02:01] 2/2 is good, no? [02:01] yessir! By that I mean two flights, two recoveries. Film @ 11 [02:02] no failures from a guy that a few years ago couldn't solder two wires together [02:02] literally I'm afraid [02:03] it's scary shit [02:03] heat is no fun [02:03] while I'm being a whore, see https://github.com/KF7FER/leoTracker [02:03] I've burnt off bits of my arm that I should probably still have [02:03] kf7fer: I take it you're in the aerospace world? [02:04] heh. I hear you. And god no, like I said, I'm an idiot. I've spent 25 years working software and now I just play with hardware [02:05] I'm an old systems programmer who did too many applications. Nothing cool or fun until I picked up a soldering iron and an AVR [02:05] iamdanw (uid459@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zdvdaiayzlfzmmdw) left irc: Quit: Connection closed for inactivity [02:05] hi [02:06] I am disappointed in the attitude I see so often in software development. It ships, it's good. Beyond that, nobody cares. Was it really good? [02:06] Ojo: Hi! how's it going? [02:09] man, the celllocate feature of the ublox GSM module is horrendous [02:09] it's like a km off [02:11] it has that feature? [02:11] yeah [02:12] well you know it's a big world and a km is much smaller. I'd be happy to narrow my world-wide search ;-) [02:12] and for some reason they disabled the encoded version of their cell-deep scan [02:12] kf7fer: we run a service that gets to be way more accurate using cell data [02:12] but I can't get the cell scan reliably off the modem [02:13] well I'd hope that the cell data would be a bit better. But that seems disappointing [02:14] I can pretty much only see the stuff as human-readable text [02:14] which is irritating as hell [02:14] MCC:, MNC:, LAC:, Ci: [02:15] and unfortunately I'm futzing with raw atmel avr C stuff, so I don't have any reliable "read line from uart" [02:20] well unless you are a tool, the Arduino doesn't either. It's typically a character at a time to build a string. And no, not a String. [02:22] bbjunkie_ (~bbjunkie@i-83-67-136-45.freedom2surf.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:23] bbjunkie (~bbjunkie@i-83-67-136-45.freedom2surf.net) joined #highaltitude. [02:36] zyp (zyp@zyp.no) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [02:36] zyp (zyp@zyp.no) joined #highaltitude. [02:44] mrShrimp (ae3de0fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.61.224.254) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [03:22] mrShrimp (ae3de0fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.61.224.254) joined #highaltitude. [03:22] I think I might have broken my gps -_- [03:22] Is anyone on who would mind helping me verify if this is true based on what I did to it? [03:30] mrShrimp: why do you think you broke it? And what kind is it? [03:30] Nick change: davo_ -> davo [03:30] They don't call me the MAX-6 killer for nothing ;-) [03:31] wait... nobody calls me that [03:31] DL7AD (~quassel@p5DD1410A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:32] the infamous maxi-6-cant-even-kill-a-fly [03:32] never heard of you [03:33] hah of course I can't do a network scan in airplane mode [03:33] duh [03:33] well killed is relative. Most of them did never see a fix again [03:33] mheld: oops. I need to look closer at the modes, never noticed that [03:34] but really I do wonder... a couple of times I've apparently rendered a MAX-6 unable to get a fix. Seems to work but the number of sats varies wildly... the hardware looks ok [03:35] and if you move the hardware and the problem follows, doesn't that mean you broke it? [03:38] It's a max6 [03:38] from hab supplies [03:38] just the bare gps? [03:39] the 5v arduino-compatible breakout board [03:39] ok. So honestly - most of this hardware is really hard to outright kill [03:39] why do you think it's broken? [03:39] what I did to it: [03:40] I had it plugged into an Arduino Uno, because I was testing my parsing code. [03:40] troubleshooting [03:41] and I decided I might try and save time by flashing a sketch without unplugging the GPS power wires (it was getting annoying after a while having to plug and unplug :P) [03:41] ok that shouldn't have killed your gps if you just left in plugged in while flashing [03:41] so I did that, and now the stuff coming out of the GPS is not recognizable by TinyGPS or TinyGPSPlus [03:41] yeah [03:42] I'll link to an output from the com port [03:42] so you're getting the $ from those programs? [03:42] oops my bad, other gps problem ;-) [03:42] please. I wouldn't think that just leaving the gps plugged in while you trying to flash new software would do any real damage [03:42] http://pastebin.com/2C69ArhC [03:43] looks like a baud rate mismatch at first glance [03:43] This is what the GPS is putting out with the TinyGPS simple example. [03:43] .... [03:43] :P [03:44] let me try something [03:44] vk3jed (~vkjed@ppp198-158.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi [03:44] So did I brag that my name is listed here? http://arduiniana.org/libraries/tinygps/ [03:45] You were totally right [03:45] . [03:45] thank you so much, haha [03:45] god loves me? [03:45] glad to help :-) [03:46] btw, would you happen to know why TinyGPS isn't reporting some values correctly for me? [03:46] heh. Not really. But what doesn't work? [03:47] I switched to TinyGPSPlus because of it, but ran into some more problems :P [03:47] With TinyGPS, everything was parsing correctly [03:47] I did some work with Mikal in the early days and never did any of the ++ stuff [03:47] except for altitude and satellite count [03:48] Altitude wasn't coming because there wasn't a 3D fix. [03:48] oh... I actually did a mod for Trackuino that adds sat count (https://github.com/KF7FER/trackuino) [03:48] and MAX-6/7/8 support at the same time. Mostly the work of some guy called Upu [03:49] cool [03:49] so you couldn't get the sat count nor altitude from tinyGPS? [03:49] Upu has helped me with this payload many times before, haha [03:49] he sure gets around [03:50] well, both were reporting, but the sat count was constantly 255, when in the NMEA data I could see that it was 0-3 satellites. [03:50] 255 really sounds like some sort of overflow [03:50] The altitude data was reporting a constant value of 100000 [03:50] bbjunkie (~bbjunkie@i-83-67-136-45.freedom2surf.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:51] It was a 1 with some number of zeroes behind it, but I can't remember how many [03:51] hmmm... sorry, no idea. The stuff worked when I tested it but typically the altitude data was all over the place [03:51] so you just hooked your MAX-6 breakout to a Uno and this was the result? [03:52] bbjunkie (~bbjunkie@i-83-67-136-45.freedom2surf.net) joined #highaltitude. [03:52] yep [03:52] I'm hoping to launch tomorrow, so I am frantically working out the kinks in the TinyGPS code :P. [03:52] already filed a NOTAM and everything [03:52] I can imagine. Where are you? [03:53] Washington State [03:53] Wow, my kids live in Clark County [03:53] Vancouver [03:53] neat! [03:54] so you're having this problem with the example code? [03:55] well, I'm using the example code as an outline, and I'm concatenating the data into a string of the format that the habitat tracker will recognize [03:56] maybe it's a code problem? Would you put some of what you're using in pastebin? [03:57] my kids would be ashamed if I didn't help someone who lives in a more civilized part of America ;-) [03:57] Sure! [03:57] haha, it is nice out here [03:58] sure is... at least right now. I live about 60 miles from the OR/WA border (due South) [03:58] In real units: 60 miles = 96.56064 kilometres [03:59] marshall_law (~marshall_@97-93-250-124.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:00] Cool! You must know Voodoo doughnuts then! [04:00] http://pastebin.com/NxdDdYSH [04:00] This is the whole sketch. [04:00] if you saw my fat ass you'd think so but honestly I've never had the good fortune to go there [04:01] It's crazy how popular it is, even way up where I am. [04:02] People will drive to Portland just to eat the doughnuts, or so I've heard, haha. [04:03] anyways, the problem I've been having with the code is with the sprintf() function that concatenates the data into "data" [04:03] I've heard that too. So you commented out the altitude conversion... did that not work? [04:03] oh... that screams some sort of unit conversion problem [04:04] So you're getting reasonable values otherwise? [04:04] like s4 - speed [04:05] I'm getting everything in this version I think. [04:05] so this is with tinyGPS++? [04:06] Yeah It's when I uncomment the satellite part from lines 77-84 and add in a spot for s5 in the sprintf() function that things go wrong. [04:07] sprintf(data,"$$SP1,%d%s,%s,%s,%s,%s,%s",gps.sentencesWithFix(),utc,s1,s2,s3,s4,s5); [04:08] Sorry I'm a bit behind the curve on the new stuff [04:08] When I do that, it outputs some crazy number for satellites in the final string "data", like 2170. [04:08] I'll post another pastebin [04:09] That one's a bit confusing. [04:09] ok [04:11] http://pastebin.com/tC0iQ2FP [04:12] This one is where I initially ran into problems. [04:13] I set the default value for the "sats" variable to be 9, so I could identify it more easily. In the debug section, I could see that "sats" was 9, but It showed up as 2170 in the "data" string. [04:13] In real units: 2170 in = 55118 mm [04:14] haha [04:14] SIbot? that's awesome! [04:14] I have 3 bushels of corn. [04:14] I have 3 feet of hair. [04:14] In real units: 3 feet = 0.9144 metre [04:24] mrShrimp: I don't see a problem. What you describe almost sounds like a mismatch between the data and the format string but the code looks ok [04:25] still looking... [04:25] okay [04:27] I'm testing to see if TinyGPS++ is encoding any sentences. It isn't with the code I posted most recently, but I could clearly see the NMEA data with the Simple Device example from TinyGPS. [04:27] *the simple test example from TinyGPS [04:28] So does the altitude work in that code? [04:29] Idk. I haven't had the chance to test it with a fix yet, but TinyGPS++ was parsing the altitude earlier when I ran an example from it without any modifications. [04:29] I think the issue I am having is with putting the stuff all in one "data" string :P [04:29] shows how good I am at coding, haha [04:30] which is not at all [04:30] well maybe you were actually meant to write code on a platform with a bit more memory ;-) [04:31] you're doing what I typically do... even though you can send the data a bit at a time, I tend to buffer it. Even when I shouldn't [04:31] but I was just wondering... you call dtostrf for all the other values... why not satellites? [04:32] because it's a small value? [04:32] I am stupid, sorry [04:32] its not a double [04:32] its an integer [04:32] and the integer to string conversion in sprintf works fine [04:32] the gps.satellites.value() function on TinyGPS++ outputs a u32 integer [04:33] wat [04:33] it outsputs a u32?! [04:33] apparently [04:33] I tried %u [04:33] why?! its never goign to be higher than 32 [04:33] and nothing happened [04:33] http://arduiniana.org/libraries/tinygps/ [04:33] says it right there [04:34] sorry [04:34] http://arduiniana.org/libraries/tinygpsplus/ [04:34] right there [04:34] and %lu [04:34] still nothing [04:35] as in, I replaced the %d with a %u in the sprintf() for the sats value [04:35] does say sats is u32 [04:35] SpikeUK1 (~Thunderbi@pdpc/supporter/monthlybyte/spikeuk) joined #highaltitude. [04:36] Well, the default value of 9 that I set it as is a normal signed integer. [04:36] It would only be u32 if it got a fix, which it did (it was reporting utc time), but for some reason the debug section still reported sats as being 9. [04:37] so %d should have worked in the sprintf(), because it was of the right type. [04:38] Sorry, I was referring to the "sats" variable in my code. The number of sats reported from TinyGPS is u32. [04:38] TinyGPS++ at least [04:39] like I said, "does say sats is u32" ;-) [04:39] Sorry I can't see a problem, but a value of 255 just screams some sort of conversion problem [04:42] http://rfhead.net/?p=550 [04:42] at least I got to chase one balloon today! [04:43] hmm, now TinyGPS++ won't encode, but TinyGPS will [04:43] BrainDamage (~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-246-51.clienti.tiscali.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [04:46] nvm, it still works [04:46] I forgot to change the baud rate again -_- [04:46] It's getting late. [04:53] $$SP1,0,00:00:00,0.200000,0.300000,3,2163*511A *511A 0.200000 0.300000 3 2.0 9 0 0 0 [04:54] $$SP1,0,00:00:00,0.200000,0.300000,3,2163*511A [04:54] That's what I'm getting out now. [04:54] The 2163 changes around. It was 2170 and 2168 earlier, and It's supposed to be 9. [04:55] The numbers after it are the debug outputs. [05:12] now it's printing two "data" strings in the com port [05:12] then stopping [05:12] like some buffer is overflowing or something. [05:16] VK5EI (017b9798@gateway/web/freenode/ip.1.123.151.152) joined #highaltitude. [05:23] FIXED IT! [05:23] whoot! [05:28] and it works perfectly with a fix [05:28] Thanks kf7fer and Darkside for helping out! [05:30] VK5EI (017b9798@gateway/web/freenode/ip.1.123.151.152) left irc: Quit: Page closed [05:50] SpikeUK1 (~Thunderbi@pdpc/supporter/monthlybyte/spikeuk) left irc: Quit: SpikeUK1 [05:52] HeathrowT5 (~yaaic@cm-84.210.48.55.getinternet.no) joined #highaltitude. 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[07:49] the flight docs are just for when you're actually launching the balloon [07:51] bbjunkie (~bbjunkie@i-83-67-136-45.freedom2surf.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:51] bbjunkie (~bbjunkie@i-83-67-136-45.freedom2surf.net) joined #highaltitude. [08:14] malclocke (~malc@202-150-106-125.bng1.avl.orcon.net.nz) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [08:15] LazyLeopard (~irc-clien@chocky.demon.co.uk) joined #highaltitude. [08:16] jededu (~edusuppor@host86-148-99-100.range86-148.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [08:17] mikestir (~quassel@cpc10-brmb8-2-0-cust107.1-3.cable.virginm.net) joined #highaltitude. [08:22] bbjunkie (~bbjunkie@i-83-67-136-45.freedom2surf.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:22] bbjunkie (~bbjunkie@i-83-67-136-45.freedom2surf.net) joined #highaltitude. [08:34] Brian-G0HDI (561fb689@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.31.182.137) left irc: Quit: Page closed [08:40] Can somone help with a small eaglr problem [08:40] ic910 (535439a1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.84.57.161) joined #highaltitude. [08:40] Eagle [08:41] good morning [08:42] !flights [08:42] 03ic910: Current flights: 03SP5NVX 10(96ab), 03B-64 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(3afe), 03B-66 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(705b), 03Peach-6 10(6cd9), 03PS-21 10.142Mhz OLIVIA 8/250 Enable RSID 10(b6ee) [08:45] MarkIreland (~MarkIrela@host86-168-97-241.range86-168.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [08:48] ibanezmatt13 (~ibanezmat@host86-160-15-131.range86-160.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [08:51] SA6BSS: thanks! mfa298: I am planning on launching today in about 10.5 hours. Would this be feasible, or does it need to be approved a few days in advance? [08:52] jededu: what's your eagle problem? [08:54] I am modding my power traces when I create a polygon and rename it batt for instance press ratsnest there is no isolation [08:54] G4FUI_phablet (~androirc@ppp-94-66-102-196.home.otenet.gr) joined #highaltitude. [08:54] I have set it in polygon properties [08:57] mrShrimp: where you based? [08:57] Washington State [08:58] Is this the tracker code you were working on last night? [09:00] Yes. It works now. [09:00] That's a brave decision [09:00] latex flight? [09:00] Are you asking me? [09:01] :P [09:01] yes is it a latex flight? [09:01] it's a 600g kaymont [09:01] and what type of gps? [09:01] I think they call it totex [09:01] ubloxmax6 [09:01] and does your code put the gps into flight mode? [09:01] yes [09:01] cool [09:01] I used Upu's tutorial for that. [09:02] I'm sure you can understand the questioning [09:02] sure [09:02] Personally I'd want to do a *lot* more testing than that [09:03] edmoore (~ed@82.6.148.64) joined #highaltitude. [09:03] I have my doubts, but I'm pretty confident it will work. [09:03] G4FUI_phablet (~androirc@ppp-94-66-102-196.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:04] i love logging in on a fresh sunday morning to see fighting talk [09:05] good timing then :p [09:07] This is what I get http://imgur.com/teGlYRC [09:08] So to get it approved to I go to #habhub? [09:08] jededu: change the "rank" on the ground polygon to higher value than the new one [09:08] flight doc? yes [09:08] Okay, thanks. [09:08] edmoore (ed@82.6.148.64) left #highaltitude ("Leaving"). [09:09] edmoore (~ed@82.6.148.64) joined #highaltitude. [09:09] i do wish eagle would update its graphics to support retina screens [09:09] Thanks mikestir worked [09:11] edmoore: agreed! Resorted to running it on windows in parallels [09:11] resorted to fighting kicad-osx build scripts [09:11] lost [09:12] haha [09:13] I'm sure it still looks like a work of art in comparison to "professional" tools like mentor [09:13] mrShrimp (ae3de0fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.61.224.254) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [09:13] most of those look like their UI design was done once and for all in the 1970s [09:13] omg modelsim [09:13] yes i had to use pro-engineer for a bit [09:13] sucked [09:13] solidworks now [09:14] solidworks is still annoying [09:14] everyone button has an alternate function [09:14] 1) the function suggested by the picture [09:14] 2) crash solidworks [09:15] i try and do things which seem natural to me like setting variables for dimensions and having all the variables defined in a table for different configurations of that part, but it's some vb/excel nightmare that doesn't work for me about 60% of the time [09:16] i still love it because the alternative is too slow for words [09:16] Lunar_Lander (~kevin@p5488B04D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #highaltitude. [09:17] hello [09:19] MarkIreland (~MarkIrela@host86-168-97-241.range86-168.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:20] MarkIreland (~MarkIrela@host86-168-97-241.range86-168.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [09:21] Morning all [09:22] Interesting that B-64 and B-66 seem to be sharing the same rate of charge issue [09:23] Perhaps this is just due to thermal cycling of the battery over this amount of time [09:23] They are both quite far north and we're not at high summer anymore [09:23] That'll be a factor [09:24] Indeed. Certainly going well below -40C on more than a few nights [09:24] I mean with the amount of solar power availible too [09:25] Well, the voltage looks healthy on the cells at least. I did think on B-66 that maybe a cell had got damaged because the rate of charge was so slow [09:26] And 66 was at a lower latitude [09:27] Either way, considering what all three payloads and envelopes have been through it's an incredible achievement [09:28] chrisstubbs (~chrisstub@host86-167-136-68.range86-167.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [09:28] I'll admit, when Leo said he had made his envelopes out of Sainsbury's white pedal bin liners and double-sided sticky tape, I was skeptical it would succeed [09:29] And yet here we are [09:30] :) [09:30] chris_99 (~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [09:30] edmoore (~ed@82.6.148.64) left irc: Quit: This computer has gone to sleep [09:31] Hopefully finishing up some light trackers today to have a go at some point soon :) [09:31] New vehicle on the map: 03SP1 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=SP1 [09:31] WIP: https://github.com/philcrump/lora-tracker/blob/master/board/board.png [09:31] ibanezmatt13 (~ibanezmat@host86-160-15-131.range86-160.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:32] MarkIreland (~MarkIrela@host86-168-97-241.range86-168.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving... [09:32] Looking good [09:32] What radio module are you using? [09:32] Mostly Matt Brezja's work btw, im just trimming a couple down for myself [09:32] RFM98 [09:32] (lora) [09:33] (+rtty) [09:33] Ahhh right. I was looking at the pad sizes and thinking they look pretty big :) [09:33] Cool [09:33] AA on back+stepup+stm32+rfm98 [09:34] M0+? [09:34] you might want to increase the inductor size to 1008 in the end craag_philcrump [09:34] In real units: 1008 in = 25603.2 mm [09:34] No, M3 [09:34] Nice [09:34] its a M0 [09:34] stm32f030 [09:35] ah f0 [09:35] f0/f1 being M0/M3 confuses me.. [09:35] very few things actually need more than a M0 [09:35] normally its a case of pins and peripherals [09:36] Yeah I'll probably refork yours matt, keep it as similar as possible. [09:36] anyway, need to fix the battery connector on the car first - bbl! [09:36] lol sounds more important [09:43] MaXimaN: 'charge rate is so slow' - it's not that simple [09:44] MaXimaN: the time it took to get from 3.2 to 3.7 is actually reasonable - if not too fast [09:46] one thing I noticed recently which may make M0(+) less attractive in some applications is that it's the only Cortex-M that can't do unaligned memory accesses [09:48] why do you need to? [09:49] implementing some network protocols efficiently would be one reason [09:50] ublox thought about it when designing UBX it seems, though [09:50] the compiler will decompose unaligned accesses into multiple accesses when you're compiling for a target that doesn't support it [09:50] not in my experience it won't [09:50] gcc will, -mpcu=cortex-m0 implies -mno-unaligned-access [09:50] if you're dereferencing a pointer then the compiler doesn't know [09:50] sure [09:51] and it would generally be an issue when you're casting a byte buffer to a struct or something [09:51] but if you're dereferencing a struct pointer with an unaligned field offset, it will [09:52] provided the struct itself is aligned, of course [09:53] and if you're conserned about doing stuff efficiently, you wouldn't use m0 anyway [09:53] sp2ipt1 (~sp2ipt@89-69-164-149.dynamic.chello.pl) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:53] that was kind of my point [09:53] I mean, for other reasons :) [09:54] sp2ipt1 (~sp2ipt@89-69-164-149.dynamic.chello.pl) joined #highaltitude. [09:54] mrShrimp (ae3de0fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.61.224.254) joined #highaltitude. [09:57] SushiKenBrown_ (~quassel@cmr-208-124-174-194.cr.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #highaltitude. [09:57] Modified power trace http://gerblook.org/pcb/NGsCxaVos3uHUnMLtyevuZ#front [09:58] nice [09:58] why do you use the 10-pin ISP? [09:58] if I may ask [09:59] SushiKenBrown (~quassel@cmr-208-124-174-194.cr.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [10:02] Programming the PIC upu's idea its a friction fit [10:07] morning [10:07] use an offset header as well jededu so you can just push some pins in [10:11] Ok more good ideas [10:11] gonzo_nb (~gonzo@host-92-6-244-156.as43234.net) joined #highaltitude. [10:37] bertrik (~quassel@rockbox/developer/bertrik) joined #highaltitude. [10:48] Laurenceb_ (~Laurence@host86-185-240-53.range86-185.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [10:49] New vehicle on the map: 03SP5NVX - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=SP5NVX [10:59] rg7kl (c331c855@gateway/web/freenode/ip.195.49.200.85) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [11:09] mrShrimp (ae3de0fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.61.224.254) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [11:16] New vehicle on the map: 03Kalel - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=Kalel [11:16] SpeedEvil: I was comparing against previous charge rates in earlier weeks. In relative terms charging is slower. The max voltage reached is also peaking at a much lower level. [11:19] New vehicle on the map: 03M0RPI_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=M0RPI_chase [11:24] !flights [11:24] 03ic910: Current flights: 03SP5NVX 10(96ab), 03Attack of the Flying Kittens v2 10(8b74), 03B-64 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(3afe), 03B-66 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(705b), 03Peach-6 10(6cd9), 03PS-21 10.142Mhz OLIVIA 8/250 Enable RSID 10(b6ee) [11:26] what time will fly kalel he is on the map now here [11:27] that may just be testing [11:28] Being recovered from a tree [11:28] I just replayed the last position from the flight [11:28] It also looks like Kalel might be with the Doctor, I'm pretty sure that time is in the future [11:29] So we know where to go :) [11:29] chrisstubbsm (56a78844@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.167.136.68) joined #highaltitude. [11:29] that would explain the odd time then. [11:29] Yes I did consider getting the time right, but not for long :) [11:32] PE1ANS (52b04031@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.176.64.49) joined #highaltitude. [11:32] edmoore (~ed@82.6.148.64) joined #highaltitude. [11:32] rg7kl (c331c855@gateway/web/freenode/ip.195.49.200.85) joined #highaltitude. [11:40] BrainDamage (~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-94-36-233-191.clienti.tiscali.it) joined #highaltitude. [11:45] chris_99 (~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929) joined #highaltitude. [11:48] MaXimaN: be careful about temperature. [11:49] MaXimaN: temperature in the morning has varied considerably [11:52] edmoore (~ed@82.6.148.64) left irc: Quit: This computer has gone to sleep [12:00] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy66xelPbew [12:00] Falcon 9 earlier stage sea-landing, now with recovered audio [12:22] bbjunkie (~bbjunkie@i-83-67-136-45.freedom2surf.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:22] bbjunkie (~bbjunkie@i-83-67-136-45.freedom2surf.net) joined #highaltitude. [12:22] RocketBoy (~steverand@05438c28.skybroadband.com) joined #highaltitude. [12:23] RocketBoy (steverand@05438c28.skybroadband.com) left #highaltitude. [12:29] eSev (~Adium@95.91.248.112) joined #highaltitude. [12:30] Kalel rescue scheduled for 3:30pm now [12:34] mightymik (4c67fd96@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.103.253.150) joined #highaltitude. [12:54] bertrik (~quassel@rockbox/developer/bertrik) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:08] SpeedEvil, very nice :) [13:11] Action: SpeedEvil sighs and wants to make a hexacopter. [13:11] SpeedEvil: I'll sell you mine if you like :) [13:12] MaXimaN: With 6 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Electric_T700 engines, and 18m diameter rotors with a MTOW of 60 tons or so. [13:12] In real units: 60 tons = 54431.084 kg [13:12] I meant metric tons you stupid bot [13:12] Hang on, let me check if mine matches that spec [13:12] :) [13:12] No [13:12] :) [13:12] I was idly wondering about using it to catch falling rockets. [13:27] anybody have any recs on continuously reading uart from a ublox gps module until it gets a proper fix? 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[14:13] mheld: keep transmitting something (although have something so you know it's not a valid fix) and ideally use interrupts where possible [14:14] got it [14:15] eSev (~Adium@95.91.248.112) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [14:15] was there something in particular you were wondering about - that was a pretty open question you asked [14:18] eSev (~Adium@95.91.248.112) joined #highaltitude. [14:21] SA6BSS (~kvirc@81-236-232-232-no30.tbcn.telia.com) joined #highaltitude. [14:21] bbjunkie (~bbjunkie@i-83-67-136-45.freedom2surf.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:22] bbjunkie (~bbjunkie@i-83-67-136-45.freedom2surf.net) joined #highaltitude. [14:23] SA6BSS|2 (~kvirc@81-236-232-232-no30.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 250 seconds [14:25] kalel is on the map again? [14:25] mightymik: recovery mission [14:27] is it still out in a field or ... ? IIRC it had kinda a weak warbly signal that wouldn't decode [14:27] stuck up a tree for that one i think [14:28] k [14:56] chimpusmaximus (5181fe6b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.129.254.107) joined #highaltitude. [14:58] gb73d (~gb73d@85.210.85.31) joined #highaltitude. [14:59] edmoore (~ed@82.6.148.64) joined #highaltitude. [14:59] I can't seem to get the batc feeds to display, even though it says Dave is streaming [15:03] i think dave is like neo [15:03] after a while he no longer needs a device to provide an internet connection to batc [15:03] he just is always connected [15:04] can stream direct from his eyes [15:05] Not 24/7 hopefully. There are some things that can't be unseen [15:05] MaXimaN: I think the is streaming isn't streaming on batc it's just based on if someone has viewed recently [15:07] chris_99 (~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:07] chris_99 (~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929) joined #highaltitude. 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[16:00] whats the superman logo about? :-) [16:01] they're rescuing superman from a tree [16:01] literally [16:01] hehe ok [16:01] Gadget-Mac (~stuart@20.132.187.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [16:03] licet (58683319@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.104.51.25) left irc: Client Quit [16:05] BrainDamage (~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-94-36-233-191.clienti.tiscali.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 250 seconds [16:06] BrainDamage (~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-94-36-242-185.clienti.tiscali.it) joined #highaltitude. [16:10] Brian-G0HDI (561fb689@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.31.182.137) joined #highaltitude. [16:14] g8kbz (59caf544@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.202.245.68) left irc: Quit: Page closed [16:16] iamdanw (uid459@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cdxnrcihjhqiklzy) joined #highaltitude. [16:22] bbjunkie_ (~bbjunkie@i-83-67-136-45.freedom2surf.net) joined #highaltitude. 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'After I started screaming' [17:12] :) [17:27] gonzo_nb (~gonzo@host-92-6-244-156.as43234.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:38] Alexander_ALMA (5652a162@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.82.161.98) joined #highaltitude. [17:56] PE1ANS (52b04031@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.176.64.49) left irc: Quit: Page closed [18:09] rg7kl (c331c855@gateway/web/freenode/ip.195.49.200.85) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [18:17] SA6BSS (~kvirc@81-236-232-232-no30.tbcn.telia.com) joined #highaltitude. [18:21] bbjunkie_ (~bbjunkie@i-83-67-136-45.freedom2surf.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:22] For anyone interested who is not on the London Hackspace mailing list, they are running a Foundation licence training and examination on the weekend of Oct 25/26 [18:22] bbjunkie (~bbjunkie@i-83-67-136-45.freedom2surf.net) joined #highaltitude. [18:31] chimpusmaximus (~chimpusma@host81-129-254-107.range81-129.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. 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[21:09] jcoxon (~jcoxon@87.113.189.235) left irc: Quit: This computer has gone to sleep [21:15] the worst of all eveings [21:16] yea [21:17] that is true [21:19] New vehicle on the map: 03SP1 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=SP1 [21:20] New vehicle on the map: 03hb-01_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=hb-01_chase [21:20] OZ1SKY_Brian (~Brian@x1-6-e8-fc-af-95-86-7a.cpe.webspeed.dk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:22] good night [21:22] Lunar_Lander (~kevin@p5488B04D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Quit: Verlassend [21:24] slobber (~linkxs@unaffiliated/linkxs) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [21:25] MichaelC1 (~unknownbl@phpbb/website/MichaelC) joined #highaltitude. [21:25] New position from 03hb-01_chase after 0321 hours silence - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=hb-01_chase [21:26] edmoore (~ed@82.6.148.64) left irc: Quit: This computer has gone to sleep [21:26] zzqa_ (~A@c-76-27-48-44.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined #highaltitude. 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[21:37] Daviey (~Daviey@ubuntu/member/daviey) joined #highaltitude. [21:42] why would I get 38.0000000, -97.000000 as a valid GPS fix? [21:43] oh hmm [21:43] it's a weird celllocate thing [21:43] looks valid [21:43] Nick change: BitEvil -> SpeedEvil [21:43] it's highly unlikely [21:44] how so? [21:44] mheld: by being somewhere in america? [21:44] that many 0s [21:44] it's unnatural [21:44] not really [21:45] its perfectly valid [21:45] infact aprs has an option to provide ambiguise position [21:45] Kansas as it turns out [21:45] and you can get 0000 [21:45] ambiguous [21:45] Flerb (~willdude1@unaffiliated/willdude123) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:45] is the word i guess [21:46] Flerb (~willdude1@unaffiliated/willdude123) joined #highaltitude. [21:49] Flerb (~willdude1@unaffiliated/willdude123) left irc: Read error: No route to host [21:50] Flerb (~willdude1@unaffiliated/willdude123) joined #highaltitude. [21:51] R6mco (xxxxxxx@2001:888:1031::2) left #highaltitude ("Leaving"). [21:52] bertrik (~quassel@rockbox/developer/bertrik) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:54] Flerb (~willdude1@unaffiliated/willdude123) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [21:54] that many decimal places might indicate a lack of undertanding of how accurate a gps position could be (unless you think the gps can manage around 10cm accuracy) [21:54] Flerb (~willdude1@unaffiliated/willdude123) joined #highaltitude. [21:55] Some can. [21:56] but unlikely in this scenario. [22:00] Inded [22:02] LazyLeopard (~irc-clien@chocky.demon.co.uk) left irc: Quit: Now QRT [22:04] pd7r (d57f9c72@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.127.156.114) left irc: Quit: Page closed [22:04] they indicite a likely tranculated or inaccuracte position [22:05] such as one fro geoip, wifi based, or cell tower based [22:05] it should provide the resolution somewhere somehow [22:06] Sometimes you can get spectacularly inaccurate positions, when all your phone thinks it knows is the country it's in [22:07] Actually - that makes sense [22:07] it's a pretty good 'middle of the USA' position [22:08] nite all [22:08] SP9UOB-Tom (~verox@matrix.verox.pl) left irc: Quit: good night [22:08] 1 degree is pretty terrible resolution for position [22:09] Depends how lost you are [22:10] i dunno, if you are lost NSWE is probably all you need [22:11] if you roughly know where about in the world you are [22:19] Laurenceb__ (~Laurence@host86-171-4-132.range86-171.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [22:21] lz1dev: 1 degree fix is suffcient for choosing a download mirror [22:21] like, US or EU [22:21] cm13g09 (~chrism@panther.cmtechserv.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [22:22] cm13g09 (~chrism@panther.cmtechserv.co.uk) joined #highaltitude. 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