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[08:51] Leyhart (~Leyhart@213.107.118.130) left irc: Client Quit [08:52] morning [08:59] PB0NER (~pb0ner@xcxcvxvcn.xs4all.nl) joined #highaltitude. [09:02] Laurenceb_ (~Laurence@host86-146-188-219.range86-146.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [09:04] n0n0 (~n0n0___@2602:306:c410:500:cd5a:ff10:e636:52c5) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [09:13] LeoBodnar (6d9b2919@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.155.41.25) joined #highaltitude. [09:17] morning gents! [09:18] n0n0 (~n0n0___@2602:306:c410:500:40be:50dd:1fd8:fcfc) joined #highaltitude. [09:18] hi LeoBodnar :) [09:18] got some news for you [09:18] Brrrr [09:19] KiwiDean (~Thunderbi@110.136.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz) left irc: Quit: KiwiDean [09:20] UpuWrk (~UpuWork@smtp.nevis.co.uk) joined #highaltitude. [09:21] UpuWork (~UpuWork@2a02:b80:12:1:8960:3acc:8bba:3610) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [09:21] rwsq1 (~rwsq1@fpc1-trow4-0-0-cust4.aztw.static.cable.virginm.net) joined #highaltitude. [09:21] es5nhc (~tarmo@178-21-244-214.wmx.levira.ee) joined #highaltitude. [09:22] LeoBodnar (6d9b2919@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.155.41.25) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [09:31] PB0NER (~pb0ner@xcxcvxvcn.xs4all.nl) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:33] PB0NER (~pb0ner@xcxcvxvcn.xs4all.nl) joined #highaltitude. [09:39] Steve_G0TDJ (d49f4aee@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.159.74.238) joined #highaltitude. [09:41] Leyhart (~Leyhart@host-89-240-62-3.as13285.net) joined #highaltitude. [09:42] LeoBodnar (6d9b2919@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.155.41.25) joined #highaltitude. [09:44] moaning all [09:44] Hita [09:44] Hiya even [09:45] I have a needy cat on my lap LOL [09:45] aloha [09:46] Leo! [09:46] How are you both LeoBodnar and mfa298 [09:47] I'm ok at the moment, although suspect my wallet won't be later (car service and mot) [09:47] *ouch* [09:48] I don't drive but I feel your pain [09:48] buy a good set of spanners! [09:48] Hi gonzo__ [09:48] hopefully it's not too much pain. [09:48] I was out doing an oil change last night. [09:48] morning steve [09:48] LazyLeopard (~irc-clien@chocky.demon.co.uk) joined #highaltitude. [09:49] And LazyLeopard I spoke to an aquaintence of yours the other day [09:49] (mine os a landrover, so you can get under without jacking it up. Saves a lot of work) [09:49] I am OK too. That makes us both OK! :D [09:49] Oh? Who'd that be? [09:50] *answering Steve's question [09:50] A chap called Kevin who is a member of my radio club [09:50] FC pass coming up in 10 min [09:50] Tina's Kevin? [09:51] That would be the one [09:53] Ok. [09:54] Does she come along to your club as well? [09:54] I think she's been once or twice [09:55] Hmmm... [09:56] That's interesting. I'm watching Tom's balloon on Tracker and it's updating but I see no stations within range. I wonder if it's doing APRS [09:57] 06:39 < Upu> morning, I've activated the APRS importer for SP9UOB [09:57] Ah ha - Thanks mfa298 [10:00] I love the concentration of stations in Poland and Slovakia. Not many anywhere else. [10:00] NickB (54c5043a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.197.4.58) joined #highaltitude. [10:00] Leyhart (~Leyhart@host-89-240-62-3.as13285.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:01] daveake (~daveake@daveake.plus.com) joined #highaltitude. [10:01] Morning daveake [10:02] LeoBodnar (6d9b2919@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.155.41.25) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [10:04] Leyhart_ (~textual@host-89-240-62-3.as13285.net) joined #highaltitude. [10:05] Nick change: Leyhart_ -> Leyhart [10:06] M0NSA (~HeliosFA@requiem.soton.gia-lan.co.uk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:10] g0azs (3e294819@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.41.72.25) joined #highaltitude. [10:11] Ah. I was going to ask how APRS data found its way into the tracker. So it has to be "switched on" vs. normal RTTY (et al) telemetry uploads from fl-digi?? [10:13] we have a script [10:13] that reads from the aprs.fi API and translates it to the tracker [10:16] Leyhart (~textual@host-89-240-62-3.as13285.net) left irc: Quit: I wonder what this button does [10:16] Leyhart (~textual@host-89-240-62-3.as13285.net) joined #highaltitude. [10:20] OK thanks. I assumed as much. Is that something that is defined as a requirement in flight documents? [10:20] there's nothing in the flight or payload docs for it at the moment [10:20] it bypasses habitat completely [10:21] Hi Phil. Are you feeling better? [10:21] getting there thanks [10:21] Coolio, glad to hear it [10:24] kvwood (407806aa@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.120.6.170) joined #highaltitude. [10:24] Geoff-G8DHE (~Geoff-G8D@geoffg8dhe.plus.com) left irc: Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- \o/ [10:26] 172 km/h 192° alt 7465 m \o/ [10:27] 172 km/h 192° alt 7525 m \o/ [10:27] es5nhc (~tarmo@178-21-244-214.wmx.levira.ee) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:28] es5nhc (~tarmo@178-21-244-214.wmx.levira.ee) joined #highaltitude. [10:29] HA6NN (57e5281b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.229.40.27) joined #highaltitude. [10:29] cuddykid (~acudworth@cpc4-clif9-2-0-cust285.12-4.cable.virginm.net) joined #highaltitude. [10:30] kvwood (407806aa@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.120.6.170) left irc: Quit: Page closed [10:31] Geoff-G8DHE (~Geoff-G8D@geoffg8dhe.plus.com) joined #highaltitude. [10:34] LeoBodnar (6d9d5445@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.157.84.69) joined #highaltitude. [10:34] ok so the man from RS was here [10:34] he looked at my code that sorted engineering units like it was witchcraft [10:35] shenki: Ki vagy? [10:35] and asked if I would be alright with RS's website design people giving me a call [10:36] remember your consultancy fees [10:36] i suspect they'll find it less witchcraft than he will [10:36] but I'm happy to play along for favourable RS discounts [10:36] Does anyone know how was it possible to drew the tck of Tom' balloon down to the middle of the Mediterranien Sea? [10:36] Kodar (~Kodar@ham4.cc.fer.hr) joined #highaltitude. [10:38] WillDuckworth (~wduckwort@host109-145-144-153.range109-145.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [10:38] HA6NN, The current location is being fed in from APRS as the RTTY is out of range [10:40] It's tempting to ditch UHF telemetry and go full time APRS [10:40] If you click on the track points you will see the APRS encoding in the comments field, rather than the stations that have received the telelmetry [10:40] Energy benefit is like 10:1 [10:41] Not nearly as much fun ... [10:42] and fewer sets of position data compared to what most people send. [10:42] Geoff_G8HDE GM Geoff, I have been tracking SP9UOB's balloon till about midnight on 144010 kHz. I can see on aprs.fi the last point of track was around Zombor (Hungarian town on the territory of Serbia.). [10:45] From earlier; [10:45] [10:11] Ah. I was going to ask how APRS data found its way into the tracker. So it has to be "switched on" vs. normal RTTY (et al) telemetry uploads from fl-digi?? [10:45] [10:13] we have a script [10:45] [10:13] that reads from the aprs.fi API and translates it to the tracker [10:45] [10:20] OK thanks. I assumed as much. Is that something that is defined as a requirement in flight documents? [10:45] [10:20] there's nothing in the flight or payload docs for it at the moment [10:45] [10:20] it bypasses habitat completely [10:45] Geoff-G8HDE Thanks! I have seen small red squares at certain points on the track line... [10:46] cuddykid (~acudworth@cpc4-clif9-2-0-cust285.12-4.cable.virginm.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [10:46] http://aprs.fi/#!mt=roadmap&z=4&call=a%2FSP9UOB-11&timerange=86400&tail=86400 [10:46] Leyhart (~textual@host-89-240-62-3.as13285.net) left irc: Quit: I wonder what this button does [10:47] TYates (~textual@host-89-240-62-3.as13285.net) joined #highaltitude. [10:52] n0n0 (~n0n0___@2602:306:c410:500:40be:50dd:1fd8:fcfc) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [10:52] M0NSA (~HeliosFA@requiem.soton.gia-lan.co.uk) joined #highaltitude. [10:53] cuddykid (~acudworth@cpc4-clif9-2-0-cust285.12-4.cable.virginm.net) joined #highaltitude. [10:53] DL7AD (~quassel@p50865A8F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:53] Geoff.G8HDE May I pay your consultancy fee in lager beer? :) [10:55] Geoff-G8HDE May I pay your consultancy fee in lager beer? :) [10:55] Yes indeed - http://bit.ly/BuyMeABeerOrTwo [10:55] SushiKenBrown (~quassel@cmr-208-124-174-194.cr.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:57] clopez (~tau@neutrino.es) left irc: Disconnected by services [10:57] SushiKenBrown (~quassel@cmr-208-124-174-194.cr.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #highaltitude. [10:57] Oh comments they are out of stock :-( [10:57] clopez_ (~tau@neutrino.es) joined #highaltitude. [10:57] which one were you after Geoff-G8DHE ? [10:58] Any of the Arundel beers do me ;-) [10:58] mmmm sussex gold [10:58] like it a lot [10:58] Indeed! [10:59] also trident [10:59] hmmm, looking forward to being at parent's this christmas [10:59] Popping over there on Thursday as the local supermarkets are out of stock for Xmas [10:59] I miss all the pubs around the downs [10:59] they're a treasure-trove [10:59] The nice ones tucked away are great! [11:00] Steffan-: \o/ [11:01] 172 km/h 192° alt 7428 m :D [11:01] http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/SP9UOB_20131210/index.php?ind=0 [11:02] Geoff-G8HDE Delivery seems to be a bit expensive... :( [11:04] I let others worry about that, I get my chaffauress to take me to the Brewery and then grab them ;-) [11:09] Geoff-G8HDE Congratulations on your wonderful website! You are the great white magician! :) [11:10] LoL :) [11:10] lol Maxell .. are you following me? [11:10] scary. [11:11] Hmm.. SP9UOB-11being tracked in Malta now [11:12] Grumbleist (~Grumbleis@84.207.252.4) joined #highaltitude. [11:13] Steffan-: common intrestest I presume :) [11:13] 172 km/h 192° alt 7566 m [11:13] Sadly I doubt the APRS network in Libya is up to much [11:13] you never know [11:13] Did it got stuck? 172 km/h 192° No way mother nature is so stable... [11:15] g0azs: lollolo, one digipeater and one igate on Malta [11:15] better send qsl card :P [11:20] UpuWrk: might be a good thing I doubt Libya signed up to TR61/01 either. [11:28] It will still transmit over Libya I suppose [11:36] Lowerstoford (~Lowerstof@95.141.154.67) joined #highaltitude. [11:38] Nick change: clopez_ -> clopez [11:47] jedas (~gedas@78-62-84-157.static.zebra.lt) joined #highaltitude. [11:54] chris_99 (~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929) joined #highaltitude. 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[14:01] wind conditions are truly dreadful at the moment - all launches landing in the sea or cambridge :( [14:01] today would have been a good day for us if it wasnt a weekday [14:01] no clouds for once [14:02] wonder if there are people in cambridge area that wouldn't mind fetching payload after landing (for a reward :P ) to save the 5hr roundtrip [14:02] well it wouldnt be the first time [14:02] the last time involved a trip to france lol [14:02] haha [14:03] from memory there are quite a few ukhas people based around east anglia [14:03] yes [14:04] at least, Cambridge was the centre of the UKHAS world for a while [14:04] yep [14:04] though i think it's holidays now [14:04] and ajmes is in london [14:04] steve is on the coast in suffolk [14:04] which might work [14:04] fairly sure adamgreig is still in cam, although carless? [14:04] *car-less [14:04] i beleive so [14:05] there's a small possibility of a launch on saturday - pending conditions and building the payload [14:05] number10, various G.\+ [14:14] Maxell: :) There was now activity on this chat, so I sent that test message... [14:23] runde (~terje@146.185.141.32) joined #highaltitude. [14:26] g0azs (3e294819@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.41.72.25) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [14:28] SushiKenBrown (~quassel@cmr-208-124-174-194.cr.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:29] SushiKenBrown (~quassel@cmr-208-124-174-194.cr.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #highaltitude. [14:32] i'm listening to some of the old space shuttle engine guys giving a talk at MIT [14:32] i like that they pronounce 'turbine' as 'turban' [14:32] HA6NN: seems to work :) [14:37] have you launched something cuddykid? [14:37] I'm not a million miles away [14:37] from Cambridge [14:38] Hix: possibly saturday :) every launch looks to land around that area atm [14:38] I'll post something on the mailing list if I do decide to go ahead [14:38] ok, I might be able to fetch - provided it's not too far. [14:39] cheers :) [14:40] I'm 51.68, 0.01 so have pretty good transport links to S.Cambs area [14:42] Grumbleist (Grumbleis@84.207.252.4) left #highaltitude. [14:43] currently: http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=f9be091bcc91191a59fad4edc712b27671aa1e6b [14:44] got plenty of gas to play around with ascent rates etc if needed [14:46] you have to try and land it in another habber's back garden [14:48] only a true hab professional can carry out the homing payload [14:48] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_PxhU9i9Ng [14:48] thats not too much of a trek at all. [14:52] I thought about a commanded cutdown. But with a free descent, amnd chute deploy at a low alt. To see how accuratly you could target a landing. Thinking of avoiding built up areas and aiming at fields etc [14:53] https://www.dropbox.com/s/s0d6m0n4tihz6yf/IMG_00000121.jpg [14:53] though wonder how that sort of things 'could' be interpreted [14:54] gonzo__: Unfortunately there's the risk of the chute not opening :/ [14:54] g0azs (3e294819@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.41.72.25) joined #highaltitude. [14:55] yep, did think about the chute issue. Did think of a soft payload, like a sponge football (to freeze and come down like a slowball) [14:55] snowball? [14:55] :D [14:55] and the prob of a cheut deploy at speed in thisk air [14:56] hehe, yep snoball, or fastball! [14:56] w [14:59] Having cutdown though would be fun, been meaning to have go at making it for ages. [15:01] i have tested my cutdown, it was alot of fun [15:01] never needed it since [15:02] ve6ts: You don't live on an island :P [15:02] nope that is for sure [15:03] but i have had splashdown into the only puddle of water in the field (murphys law) [15:04] hehe [15:07] TYates (~textual@host-89-240-62-3.as13285.net) left irc: Quit: I wonder what this button does [15:10] wow, sick tropo at 2mtr and 70cm [15:11] I am hearing two UK repeaters @ 70cm from The Hague [15:16] DL7AD (~quassel@p50865A8F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #highaltitude. [15:16] good evening [15:17] It's very wet and foggy here so no wonder [15:17] no good condition for a balloon launch [15:18] LeoBodnar: it's just burnt off here in the last hour or so [15:18] very pretty [15:20] horizontal visibility here is still 300-500ft [15:20] yo! Sibot? [15:20] 500 feet [15:21] wut? [15:21] Seems to have disconnected... [15:22] SIbot (~nodebot@dxspot.tv) joined #highaltitude. [15:22] 500 feet [15:22] In real units: 500 ft = 152 m [15:24] when did SIbot appear? [15:25] oh, the temptation to start units based puns again [15:25] Upu (~Upu@2a00:14f0:e028:0:d187:c422:1d2:f8d7) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [15:26] A couple of months ago, a quick script to poke fun at those we forced to use our inferior units, before we switched to a decent system. [15:26] Upu (~Upu@2a00:14f0:e028:0:6c80:2f38:6268:f45f) joined #highaltitude. [15:26] heh cool [15:27] 200 Fahrenheit [15:27] ahh, just distance then? [15:27] only does feet/ft atm [15:28] next to add would probably be lbs, as that's the second most used here. [15:28] bah, as thinking that would translate it using googles converter and fire back the link [15:29] andf it might well have done had i not spelt it wrong. [15:29] That bot is a bit broken I think [15:29] bot's on holiday [15:29] or vacation [15:29] lol [15:30] I've been knees deep in VBA for the past week or so, it is truly awful. though it has really helped my code reading skills [15:31] It'll be on it's feet again in no time [15:32] (sorry, couldn't help myself) [15:35] heh [15:39] 300 fett [15:39] In real units: 300 ft = 91 m [15:40] it's not heard of the Bobba system of units then [15:40] every people using imperial system should be banned from earth ! [15:41] (you know a channel is good when you can launch a troll on metric vs imperial system) [15:42] DL7AD (~quassel@p50865A8F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:42] craag: Evidently understands misspeelings then :P [15:42] -100ft [15:42] In real units: 100 ft = 30 m [15:42] no neatives? [15:42] it's an absolutist bot [15:42] 999999999999999999ft [15:42] In real units: 999999999999 ft = 304800000 km [15:42] afeet [15:43] (1+2)ft [15:43] both feet [15:43] 1+2ft [15:43] In real units: 2 ft = 0.61 m [15:43] lol I can just see there being plans afoot to break things :P [15:43] 2+2-2ft [15:43] In real units: 2 ft = 0.61 m [15:43] cleevrbot [15:43] We'll soon need a meter to show how broken things are ;) [15:43] Yes yes it's not sophisticated [15:44] 2 fets [15:44] In real units: 2 ft = 0.61 m [15:44] and craag, I take it it will improve - as the code inches forward on its journey? [15:44] cm13g09: lol [15:44] .\+2ft [15:44] In real units: 2 ft = 0.61 m [15:44] 2 mosftes [15:44] sorry - you were asking for it ;) [15:44] 2 MOSFETs [15:44] cuddykid (~acudworth@cpc4-clif9-2-0-cust285.12-4.cable.virginm.net) left irc: Quit: cuddykid [15:44] well, pull reqs are welcome ;) [15:44] 2 fetischists ? [15:44] In real units: 2 ft = 0.61 m [15:45] yayyy !!! [15:45] Action: cm13g09 continues beating Javascript [15:45] 1+feet [15:45] 1feet [15:45] In real units: 1 ft = 0.30 m [15:45] I can save you all a lot of effort [15:45] regex="[0-9]*[, ]?[0-9]+[ ]*f[e]{0,2}t" [15:46] reading regexp is like watching porno in ascii [15:46] I can see boobs in the matrix ;) [15:47] egrep '^fet' /usr/share/dict/* [15:47] [ft [15:47] ha! [15:47] lol - everyone stand back - I know regular expressions (and RPN) [15:47] 10ft [15:47] In real units: 10 ft = 3.05 m [15:47] (mis)quoting XKCD? [15:48] craag: I shall attempt to patch that regex to be something sane ;) [15:48] 0x0A ft [15:48] LeoBodnar: we had an RS rep come this morning [15:48] cm13g09: Go ahead, was my first ever regex :P [15:49] it was a good opportunity to vent my frustrations with the website [15:49] cm13g09: https://github.com/philcrump/SIbot [15:49] any goodies? [15:49] cm13g09: regex probably just needs something on the end to match whitespace or end of line [15:49] no, just complainging to him about how awful his website is [15:49] I showed him this, for example [15:49] then more regexs for other units. [15:49] https://www.dropbox.com/s/lz37yr7evsglst0/rs.png [15:49] which makes me a bit sick in my mouth [15:50] eroomde: you renamed it :( the old name was more accurate [15:50] Oh, I thought R&S [15:50] then i wrote himma function in python called sortWithUnits (less than 20 lines of code) to demonstrate that it's not that hard: https://www.dropbox.com/s/5ec348cygbbilxx/Screenshot%20from%202013-12-10%2012%3A16%3A38.png [15:50] I gave up on RS and Farnell [15:50] mfa298: yes i thought it a good idea tyo rename it [15:50] their reps defect every year [15:51] we had three last year [15:51] he seemed to have been around for a bit [15:51] Farnell counts as "around" in their circles :D [15:52] :) [15:52] Almost impossible to get through to right people [15:53] i also don't like how searching your order hisotry is now much harder [15:53] and generally i don't like their website [15:53] but they have lots of candies all available next day [15:53] so we're still stuck with them [15:53] cuddykid (~acudworth@cpc4-clif9-2-0-cust285.12-4.cable.virginm.net) joined #highaltitude. [15:54] I know, they are the hookers of engineering [15:55] We even order office paper from Farnell [15:55] anyway, he's going to show what i did to their website people (he seemed to think it was witchcraft, i suspect their coders say 'yep whatever, add it to the list') and says they might call [15:55] That's usually the sign of company going bankrupt within a year [15:56] Is RS UK company originally? [15:56] Still fog outside! [15:56] yeah, originally radiospares [15:57] it would have been nice to get a visit from the R&S man [15:58] alas [15:58] someone has a good insight about the R&TTE more precisely the status of the cei61000 and the electrical security [15:58] I can't find if the 4-4 chapter is amndatory to be CE certified or not [16:17] SP9UOB-Tom (~verox@matrix.verox.pl) joined #highaltitude. [16:17] evening all [16:20] vladimirek (~vladimire@95.105.250.72) joined #highaltitude. [16:24] rwsq1 (~rwsq1@fpc1-trow4-0-0-cust4.aztw.static.cable.virginm.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:24] evening Tom [16:24] I suspect you balloon is lost :/ [16:24] but great flight [16:24] Nick change: UpuWrk -> UpuWork [16:24] I suspect all is lost [16:24] it feels like the evening [16:25] I really want some fish and chips [16:25] and other non-sequiturs [16:25] rwsq1 (~rwsq1@fpc1-trow4-0-0-cust4.aztw.static.cable.virginm.net) joined #highaltitude. [16:25] UpuWrk: we need aprs or rtty listeners in Libia [16:25] Yeah that [16:25] and I think they are too busy not dying to be setting up APRS igates [16:25] Upu: last battery voltage from vcc was 1.408V [16:26] so it should run day or two [16:26] Upu: yeah... [16:26] i have no idea whi aprs.fi has stopped decoding telemetry [16:27] "There is no current national Amateur Radio entity listed by the International Amateur Radio Union for Libya" [16:27] but im doing it by hand and it decodes ok [16:28] 5A7RYZ [16:28] isn't libya one of those country wich forbid amateur radio ? [16:28] seems to be one of the only Libian call signs I've found [16:29] i think you might have just condenmed him [16:29] 5A1A ABUBAKER ASSID [16:30] and him [16:30] currently residing in Germany [16:30] elzo71@yahoo.com he may have some contacts back in Libya [16:33] apparently Libya and North Korea are pretty much HAM free [16:35] glorious nations [16:36] I'd probably let it go and hope it floats back to civilisation before the battery dies [16:36] I doubt Algeria is going to be a HAM hot bed either [16:36] yemen too [16:36] I don't know why some countries refuse to issue some license [16:37] there are APRS stations in Algeria actually [16:38] should be 144.800 as well [16:44] HAB-en listening in the Yemen [16:46] _bart (~bart@ip82-139-79-212.lijbrandt.net) joined #highaltitude. [16:46] <_bart> Hi [16:47] good evening [16:48] <_bart> Weird question, I'm developing an open-source space-related website and I noticed that the frontpage of the http://spacenear.us/ website is not used, any change I can put it to good use? :) [16:49] it is used it has a link to the tracker [16:49] define 'good' :) [16:49] it was originally going to be a bit more portally, but the tracker was its first feature, and it remains so [16:50] It is awaiting the setup of the massive UKHAS web infrastructure. [16:51] _bart: also in generally i'd be very interested to hear more about the website [16:51] open-source and space has a large overlap right in this channel [16:53] spacenear.us was just a holding page most of the stuff is down habhub.org now [16:53] heathkid (~heathkid@unaffiliated/heathkid) left irc: Disconnected by services [16:54] heathkid|2 (~heathkid@unaffiliated/heathkid) joined #highaltitude. [16:55] MichaelC (~unknownbl@phpbb/website/Unknown-Bliss) left irc: Ping timeout: 251 seconds [16:56] <_bart> Yes, well my idea will maybe sound a bit vague, but I'll try to explain it. I'm a physicist (well, almost got my degree) and I like the current developments in the space field. Companies like SpaceX are pushing the fronteer. But I feel like the everyday person has no idea 'where we are at' in our move to space. Like when you ask someone what the furthest human-made object is they sometimes know it's the voyager, but have no id [16:56] <_bart> ea how far or 'where' it is. [16:56] <_bart> Also, movies like Interstellar, coming next year I think, are promoting the 'space culture' which is cool. [16:57] MichaelC (~unknownbl@phpbb/website/Unknown-Bliss) joined #highaltitude. [16:57] <_bart> Anyway, I created 2D D3.js powered animation of the solar system and what we are doing where. [16:57] got a preview? [16:58] <_bart> Combined with the most important news facts and cultural events I think it will be interesting to get more people to love our space moves, even though they are no rocket scientists [16:59] <_bart> eroomde: not yet, I already got the planets floating around, calculated with keplerian rates provided by NASA JPL, but I'm now working on the design and entering the moons. [16:59] <_bart> It's all a Node.js powered app. [17:00] nice [17:00] <_bart> Anyway, when I got the idea down in code fully I'll github it all and let you guys know. [17:01] awesome [17:02] <_bart> It's pretty hard to come up with a good name though, so feel free to share the ideas. It's now at a point that I need the name for the logo heh [17:03] spacemap [17:03] spadar [17:03] spaaaaaaaaaaace!! [17:04] I need a decent fit-up table. [17:04] http://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/etta1_1.jpg?itok=FvkKE0L5 [17:04] (note the floor) [17:04] <_bart> haha [17:04] <_bart> yes spacemap crossed my mind but it's maybe a bit too easy [17:05] easy to remember is good [17:05] <_bart> boasting a flat design and node.js it should be a little 'cooler' you know, but well, I will get there :) [17:05] <_bart> pretty sure spacemap is taken too, let's see [17:06] solarmap [17:06] spacevision [17:07] <_bart> something with solar is a good idea indeed, noted [17:08] <_bart> anyway, I'll first design the page without logo and then see what comes to mind, thanks [17:09] np [17:17] GargantuaSauce (~sauce@blk-252-19-214.eastlink.ca) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:24] GargantuaSauce (~sauce@blk-252-19-214.eastlink.ca) joined #highaltitude. [17:30] g0azs (3e294819@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.41.72.25) left irc: Quit: Page closed [17:32] DL1SGP1 (~DL1SGP@p5B043A4B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #highaltitude. 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[18:26] BrainDamage (~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-235-229.clienti.tiscali.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [18:27] grassbox (~grassbox@host86-186-5-246.range86-186.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: Want to be different? Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- [18:31] BrainDamage (~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-227-234.clienti.tiscali.it) joined #highaltitude. [18:32] LeoBodnar (0264c8b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.100.200.177) joined #highaltitude. [18:33] Lunar_Lander (~kevin@p5488B8FC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #highaltitude. [18:33] hello [18:34] good evening Lunar_Lander [18:35] evening * [18:36] SP9UOB-Tom are you in Africa yet? :) [18:36] jcoxon (~jcoxon@host86-162-97-87.range86-162.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [18:38] Herman-PB0AHX_ (53560375@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.86.3.117) joined #highaltitude. [18:39] GE all [18:39] evening [18:41] daveake (~Dave@daveake.plus.com) joined #highaltitude. [18:41] jevin (~jevin@72.12.217.220) left irc: Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com [18:45] mclane (~quassel@p5498DB98.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #highaltitude. [18:45] jevin (~jevin@72.12.217.220) joined #highaltitude. [18:46] I get withdrawal symptoms start again no balloon in this region GRGR hihihi fun [18:46] LeoBodnar: yes, but no listeners :-( [18:47] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNpX6CBzkko [18:47] On the youtoobes [18:47] Herman-PB0AHX_: build one! [18:47] I know how it feels Tom [18:48] What logic do you use to change APRS path? [18:48] last battery reading was 1.408 V (from last aprs frame) so battery is in good condition [18:48] altitude with histeresis [18:49] hysteresis? [18:49] when going up path is removed above 2500m [18:49] This morning it suddenly was WIDE2-1 and now it is gone [18:50] at 7500m [18:50] LeoBodnar: because of gps glitches [18:50] wide path is good, ignore aprs.fi [18:50] Herman-PB0AHX_ (53560375@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.86.3.117) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [18:50] especially around Italy [18:51] Herman-PB0AHX_ (53560375@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.86.3.117) joined #highaltitude. [18:51] I am working to gather indeed but is not easy if you have no experience [18:52] RocketBoy (~steverand@05464493.skybroadband.com) joined #highaltitude. [18:53] if you think about it too much you'll never do it [18:53] just get it done :) [18:54] This guy is so weird :/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ip01je1qFQ [18:54] jevin (~jevin@72.12.217.220) left irc: Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com [18:55] yeah, it's easier than most people think. there was almost no information there to be gethered when we started [18:55] craag not seen it yet [18:55] maybe willdude123, but his english is rarely understandable foe a non-native speaker [18:55] LeoBodnar: APRS has some advantages over RTTY :-) [18:56] RTTY has no single advantage over APRS [18:56] simplicity [18:56] now, when we have small lightweight trackers we can use unattended receiving stations [18:57] LeoBodnar, we can use it in the UK [18:58] my first tracker had 230 grams. http://sp9uob.verox.pl/traker.jpg [18:58] we could do aprs on 869mhz [18:58] jcoxon: something was changed ? [18:58] but it would be kinda pointless :) [18:59] SP9UOB-Tom, i mean rtty on 434 can be used in the UK so its an advantage over APRS [18:59] http://sp9uob.verox.pl/20111123_201703.jpg [18:59] http://sp9uob.verox.pl/20111123_201726.jpg [18:59] APRS on 434MHz will do just fine in the UK [18:59] jcoxon: ok i see :-) [18:59] Considering its DR is <1% [18:59] with rtty we can have 100% duty cycle [19:00] JelmerD (~JelmerD@149.210.156.39) left irc: Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in [19:00] we could 100% with ax.25 too [19:00] but without fec it'll not be too good [19:01] fsphil: there is fec option for aprs/ax25 [19:01] yea fx25 [19:01] although only on a dedicated frequency, at which point rtty is a lot easier. [19:01] yea [19:01] rtty becomes a problem at higher baud rates [19:01] for 1200 and above using something closer to packet would be better [19:01] anyway no corrected aprs with 100mW is good enough (no over Italy), ald Leo says that 15 mW is enough [19:03] we are killing HABbing as we know it [19:03] I'd quite like to see how the faster DominoEX modes work although I need to make my code not crash a Pi first. [19:03] France is the problem though. [19:03] although I don't think it gives us anything much better than 300bd rtty with DomineEX88 [19:04] I am going to fly next flight with the fastest Contestia on the menu in dl-fldigi [19:04] We have plenty of spectrum [19:07] Action: SP9UOB-Tom just got the tickets for Clannad performance in Poland :-) [19:07] SP9UOB-Tom is this a HAB base station? I have some dsPIC33 thing in the works that decodes APRS and Domino [19:08] wider spectrum requres higher power [19:08] LeoBodnar: no this is tracker, but two-way [19:08] it decodes APRS [19:09] dspic33 based [19:09] Ah, interesting, I am still working on a prototype [19:09] Haha good choice :D [19:10] Action: SP9UOB-Tom loves dsPIC's :-) [19:12] KT5WYX (Craig@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedb:b300) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:13] gonzo_nb (~gonzo@host-78-149-232-47.as13285.net) joined #highaltitude. [19:13] I reckon the whole APRS packet can be soft-decoded at once [19:13] LeoBodnar: look at (via google-translator ;-) http://sp9uob.verox.pl/dstnc.html [19:13] LeoBodnar: sure [19:13] LeoBodnar: its relatively easy [19:14] Oh, interesting [19:14] only computing power is required [19:14] Why did you use dsPIC30? [19:14] LeoBodnar: it was my first contact with dsPIC its old project [19:14] I see [19:15] but results was awesome :-) [19:20] Robert___ (57d32529@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.211.37.41) joined #highaltitude. [19:25] hi al :) [19:25] *all [19:27] Hi DL1SGP2 et al. [19:32] lol [19:36] BrainDamage (~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-227-234.clienti.tiscali.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [19:37] BrainDamage (~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-251-162.clienti.tiscali.it) joined #highaltitude. [19:44] Nick change: iNeo -> PE0SAT [19:54] JelmerD (~JelmerD@149.210.156.39) joined #highaltitude. [20:11] JelmerD (~JelmerD@149.210.156.39) left irc: Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in [20:14] g0azs (6d95776f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.149.119.111) joined #highaltitude. [20:14] vladimirek (~vladimire@95.105.250.72) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:16] G0HDI (561fbe3a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.31.190.58) joined #highaltitude. [20:17] KiwiDean (~Thunderbi@86.139.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz) joined #highaltitude. [20:20] mouser.com [20:20] oops wrong window :-) [20:23] Babs___ (~babs@cpc16-dals15-2-0-cust292.hari.cable.virginm.net) joined #highaltitude. [20:28] Babs___ (~babs@cpc16-dals15-2-0-cust292.hari.cable.virginm.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:29] xD [20:31] 404, window not found [20:32] fsphil: I know somebody who probably does have a Window 404 in their IRSSI ;) [20:32] Lunar_Lander: mouser is one place in the web where i can buy precious si446x :-) [20:33] even aliexpress.com dont have s... [20:33] JelmerD (~JelmerD@149.210.156.39) joined #highaltitude. [20:34] oh [20:34] JelmerD (~JelmerD@149.210.156.39) left irc: Client Quit [20:35] Laurenceb_ (~Laurence@host86-146-188-219.range86-146.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [20:35] JelmerD (~JelmerD@149.210.156.39) joined #highaltitude. [20:35] aligexpress.com for all your silicon needs [20:36] :P [20:36] JelmerD (~JelmerD@149.210.156.39) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:40] es5nhc__ (~tarmo@178-21-244-214.wmx.levira.ee) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:43] JelmerD (~JelmerD@149.210.156.39) joined #highaltitude. [20:43] LeoBodnar: even breast silicon ;-) ? [20:44] *silicone [20:44] fake muscles silicone [20:44] G0HDI (561fbe3a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.31.190.58) left irc: Quit: Page closed [20:44] hey stilldavid [20:44] ohai jcoxon [20:44] LeoBodnar: our chinese friends doesnt have si4464 [20:45] just, uh. sayin' hi. [20:45] and wishing arko would send me one of his pico boards :( [20:45] Action: jcoxon kicks arko [20:45] "e" matters! [20:45] stilldavid, got any launches planned? [20:46] nothing as of yet. I would like to start in on some smaller payloads, though. [20:46] (also was just reading SF's cybermonday review [20:46] I have Chinese MP5 player [20:46] stilldavid: http://sp9uob.verox.pl/pico/picov4-1-front.jpg [20:46] yeah, that was quite a day for us. [20:46] looks it [20:46] SP9UOB-Tom: nice! [20:46] what chip is that? [20:46] http://sp9uob.verox.pl/pico/picov4-1-back.jpg [20:46] TYates (~textual@213.107.118.130) joined #highaltitude. [20:46] which one ? [20:47] the larger IC [20:47] pic18f26k22, mcp1640, si4464 [20:47] pic18f26k22 [20:48] DL7AD (~quassel@p50865A8F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #highaltitude. [20:48] I like that si4464 [20:48] Too powerful [20:49] NA market version of Si4460 [20:49] ive used the si4432 [20:49] but thats old now [20:49] id like to know how much the slight improvement on the never stuff is due to lower NF LNA on the input [20:50] also, from ages ago -> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:chipcon_cc1020_software_define_radio [20:50] cuddykid (~acudworth@cpc4-clif9-2-0-cust285.12-4.cable.virginm.net) left irc: Quit: cuddykid [20:51] you could get more bandwidth out of it with a non lame microcontroller [20:54] hi Sven [20:54] Is I/Q stream digital over SPI? [20:55] JelmerD (~JelmerD@149.210.156.39) left irc: Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in [20:55] yes [20:55] interesting [20:56] So you downmix to near zero IF? [20:56] yes [20:56] Or pretty much direct conversion RX? [20:56] the cc1020 is actually zero if [20:56] nice [20:56] shame it's only 8 bit [20:56] SP9UOB-Tom: I like the "if found" message right on the silk :) [20:56] then some dsp onboard to extract a slice 400kHz above center [20:57] but you bypass that with the spi debug mode [20:57] evening :) [20:57] This is for PCB fab house stilldavid [20:57] i think the theoretical bandwidth you can get is about 100kHz using spi [20:57] sorry [20:57] so what do you transmit with it? [20:57] spi is after the dsp [20:57] are you limited to the modes in the datasheet? [20:57] so the "zero" in the center has no LO spur [20:58] as its 400kHz away from the spur [20:58] of course the saner way to build the SDR think on that page would be using JACK [20:59] to create a new audio device [20:59] sorry, don't mean to be rude, but what is the point of this? [20:59] I am thinking balloon-balloon comms [20:59] me too :D [20:59] wasting life away bertrik :D [21:00] but embedded linux with jack server would be silly [21:00] Babs___ (~babs@cpc16-dals15-2-0-cust292.hari.cable.virginm.net) joined #highaltitude. [21:01] stilldavid: it can do (=have been made to do) RTTY, APRS, DominoEX, Contestia and Olivia [21:01] and CW [21:01] awesome. [21:02] Contestia over Africa lol [21:02] RocketBoy (steverand@05464493.skybroadband.com) left #highaltitude. [21:02] LeoBodnar: mine also can WSPR :-) [21:02] and APRS 300 baud on HF :-) [21:03] Good name for a biplane with mahoosive rotary engine [21:03] Babs___ (~babs@cpc16-dals15-2-0-cust292.hari.cable.virginm.net) left irc: Client Quit [21:03] SP9UOB-Tom: I assume you've gotten it to aprs 9600 on 2m ? [21:03] HF from Si4463 oO ? [21:03] LeoBodnar: no from AD9851 :-) [21:04] it's been a long, long time since I've made a board. [21:04] but now I kind of want to :) [21:04] with square wave output it gives 500mW out at 21 MHz in class E from one BS-170 [21:04] Ah, cool. I have used CDCE913 for HF [21:05] Action: bertrik only has a RFM22B to play with [21:05] LeoBodnar: i have some si570 for the same purpose [21:06] if I recall right they are very power hungry, I remember crossing them out from my potential parts list a few years ago [21:06] for another tracker project [21:06] are they like 100mA? [21:07] i dont think so [21:07] i have to make PCB for tests [21:08] datasheet says 98mA operating and 75mA tristated [21:10] maybe cmos output is enough to tie an antenna with class-E matching [21:11] I have used CDCE913 for the same task - they are like 10mA [21:12] and have true shutdown mode [21:12] http://www.aliexpress.com/item/25-pcs-Free-Shipping-Wireless-ic-si4463-si4463-b1b-fmr/1050630997.html [21:12] FOUND ! :) [21:13] I'll stick with Si4460 [21:14] Geoff-G8DHE_ (~Geoff-G8D@geoffg8dhe.plus.com) joined #highaltitude. [21:14] Laurenceb have you been able to decode the signal from CC1020? [21:16] mclane (~quassel@p5498DB98.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:17] Geoff-G8DHE-M (~Geoff-G8D@geoffg8dhe.plus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [21:17] Nick change: Geoff-G8DHE_ -> Geoff-G8DHE-M [21:17] yes [21:17] ive used it for flights with fldigi [21:17] pre rtlsdr [21:17] Lunar_Lander_ (~kevin@p5488A638.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #highaltitude. [21:20] Guten Abend Lunar_Lander [21:20] Adran (adran@botters/staff/adran) left irc: Quit: Este é o fim. [21:20] hey LeoBodnar cool balloons :) [21:20] i have a Si4463 project [21:20] JelmerD (~JelmerD@149.210.156.39) joined #highaltitude. [21:20] you've been using something similar? [21:20] those sample books are awesome :-) They are saving lots of time http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shippiing-1-0603-SMD-SMT-chip-resistor-assorted-book-170-values-total-8500pcs/976991709.html [21:20] Lunar_Lander (~kevin@p5488B8FC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [21:23] I use Si4460 but a lot of people are using Si4463 here [21:23] back [21:23] Adran (adran@botters/staff/adran) joined #highaltitude. [21:24] ok cool, I'll have to continue idling here then [21:25] any code resources? beyond the libraries from Silabs [21:27] jcoxon (~jcoxon@host86-162-97-87.range86-162.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:27] jcoxon (~jcoxon@host86-162-97-87.range86-162.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [21:29] Sorry, got distracted with some SMT resistor books :D [21:30] I have a box and they are only E12 and 5% [21:30] so these are great find Tom [21:30] gonzo_nb (~gonzo@host-78-149-232-47.as13285.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:31] go on ebay [21:31] LeoBodnar: i have 0805 RCL and 0603 RCL amazing idea to put them into books [21:31] they are fucking chip I have book for cap resistor and inductance in 0402/0603 [21:31] :) [21:31] However! A sales rep from Wuerth Electronics said that their samples books are one-off purchase. Any refills are free. [21:31] nice [21:31] LeoBodnar but they are something like 1keuro [21:31] about 300 book from ebay :p [21:31] I know usually £100-200 per book [21:32] just like pepsi in PizzaHut ;-) [21:32] any refills for free [21:33] 0402 are too small for my big hands [21:33] Upu (~Upu@2a00:14f0:e028:0:6c80:2f38:6268:f45f) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [21:33] 0402 are easy with a bino but the main problem is the desk :) [21:34] and sneezing [21:34] nats`: i have no idea how put so many amount of solderpaste [21:34] on the PCB [21:34] you have oshstencils :) [21:34] JelmerD (~JelmerD@149.210.156.39) left irc: Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in [21:35] I use them massively now [21:35] they do easy to use stencil [21:35] what is this ? [21:35] i use a heroin syringe [21:35] it's a plastic stencil you put it over a pcb [21:35] JelmerD (~JelmerD@149.210.156.39) joined #highaltitude. [21:35] hand you put the paste on it [21:35] try solder paste it reflows better! [21:35] Upu (~Upu@2a00:14f0:e028:0:6c80:2f38:6268:f45f) joined #highaltitude. [21:35] after you take a paper [21:35] :D [21:36] burnt plastic smell so good :D [21:36] LOL [21:36] http://www.stencilsunlimited.com/smt_stencils/smt_stencil_tutorial_page3.htm [21:36] englishman: me too :) [21:36] one of our guys swore by using syring but get converted to stencils in the end [21:36] for 0603 syringe start to be hard [21:36] depends on what you are doing [21:37] *multiple spelling fails [21:37] and worst with qfn [21:37] nats`: yeah, but for every board you have to make stencil [21:37] salut nats` [21:37] 10$ :D [21:37] salut DL1SGP2 :) [21:38] SP9UOB-Tom: how is life with you, any trips planned for bringing HF into air? [21:38] QFN is ok with syringe [21:38] bascially it's the solderpaste gerber [21:38] DL1SGP2: im almost ready, i have to issue notam request and make a box for payload [21:39] good, take your time most my equipment is a bit... "down" after storm :) expected to get fixed tomorrow [21:39] DL1SGP2: how is life with me? You have to ask my wife ;-) [21:39] SP9UOB-Tom: I was asking about life, not your finances :) [21:39] LOL [21:41] jcoxon (~jcoxon@host86-162-97-87.range86-162.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:43] g0azs (6d95776f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.149.119.111) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [21:45] OH7HJ-1 (~Juha@dsl-jnsbrasgw2-50dfa7-205.dhcp.inet.fi) left irc: Ping timeout: 250 seconds [21:56] PH3V (~renetuijt@ip5456e3dc.speed.planet.nl) left irc: Quit: PH3V [21:56] jedas (~gedas@78-62-84-157.static.zebra.lt) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:02] G8KNN-1 (~quassel@cpc1-cmbg10-0-0-cust144.5-4.cable.virginm.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 250 seconds [22:06] gonzo___ (~gonzo@host-78-149-232-47.as13285.net) joined #highaltitude. 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[23:03] seriously it's very exciting [23:03] i love him [23:03] :) [23:05] Geoff-G8DHE_ (~Geoff-G8D@geoffg8dhe.plus.com) joined #highaltitude. [23:06] funny dude [23:08] Geoff-G8DHE-M (~Geoff-G8D@geoffg8dhe.plus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [23:08] Nick change: Geoff-G8DHE_ -> Geoff-G8DHE-M [23:08] Nick change: heathkid|2 -> heathkid [23:09] chrisstubbs (~chrisstub@host86-177-144-245.range86-177.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [23:12] Geoff-G8DHE_ (~Geoff-G8D@geoffg8dhe.plus.com) joined #highaltitude. [23:13] chris_99 (~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:14] Guys [23:14] hey chrisstubbs [23:14] guess what? [23:14] evening [23:14] Sup will [23:14] got your callsign? [23:14] I soldered an 0805 [23:14] no not yet [23:14] It took me a good 15 mins [23:14] aha [23:15] Geoff-G8DHE-M (~Geoff-G8D@geoffg8dhe.plus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [23:15] Nick change: Geoff-G8DHE_ -> Geoff-G8DHE-M [23:15] and I was briefly mentioned in the nadars newsletter [23:15] still awaiting my rsgbpass cert [23:15] Cool :) [23:15] I need something cool to read up on [23:15] hmm [23:16] The license stuff about remote gateways and operation in the amateur radio license is so confusing [23:19] what about it is confusing? [23:19] Lunar_Lander__ (~kevin@p5488B891.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #highaltitude. [23:20] Lunar_Lander_ (~kevin@p548895C9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [23:20] I generally just don't really understand it. From it I can gather that you can operate your own station only via a 500mw max radio link but it says nothing about operating other people's stations [23:21] there's been some discussion about that in the litmus tests [23:22] although in general I'm not sure how much control you get with remote control of other peoples stations. [23:22] It is usually just ptt and audio with something like echolink [23:23] But surely you'd be able to operate your own radio via the internet if you can operate other peoples [23:24] I think the main point of echolink is for radio to radio but with an internet hop in the middle [23:24] the connecting to a node via the internet application is more of an extra (that's my take anyway) [23:25] Well, it is sometimes, some people might have a NoV and be able to use it thusly [23:25] but most of the time it is IP-radio [23:27] ahah! [23:27] I may well have just found a use for my raspberry pi [23:29] I'm not quite sure how I'd send voice over my lan to it [23:29] daveake1 (~daveake@daveake.plus.com) joined #highaltitude. [23:30] cuddykid_ (~acudworth@cpc4-clif9-2-0-cust285.12-4.cable.virginm.net) joined #highaltitude. [23:32] cuddykid (~acudworth@cpc4-clif9-2-0-cust285.12-4.cable.virginm.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [23:32] Nick change: cuddykid_ -> cuddykid [23:32] daveake (~Dave@daveake.plus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [23:32] how are you thinking of using the pi ? [23:35] with echolink assuming you can use it as a foundation holder in computer -> radio mode I think you're probably limited to UK radios only. [23:35] Geoff-G8DHE_ (~Geoff-G8D@geoffg8dhe.plus.com) joined #highaltitude. [23:36] using a radio in another country would probably require reciprocal licensing for which TR61/01 only applies to full (and still only some countries) [23:38] DL7AD (~quassel@p50865A8F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:38] Geoff-G8DHE-M (~Geoff-G8D@geoffg8dhe.plus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [23:38] Nick change: Geoff-G8DHE_ -> Geoff-G8DHE-M [23:39] mfa298 acoording to them you arent allowed to operate them at all at foundation [23:40] RocketBoy (~steverand@05464493.skybroadband.com) joined #highaltitude. [23:40] i was more thinking of private remote control [23:40] RocketBoy (steverand@05464493.skybroadband.com) left #highaltitude. [23:40] As it is going to be based next door, it would be a pain to keep going in and out [23:41] for private remote control I think the license terms are fairly clear (internet is only allowed with the full license) [23:42] Oooh! [23:42] http://spacestationlive.nasa.gov/displays/spartanDisplay1.html [23:43] That is majorly col. [23:43] cool. [23:43] remember there's various bits about ensuring the controlled radio operates safely so the intention is that with a low power amateur link you'll be close enough to deal with problems [23:43] http://spacestationlive.nasa.gov/displays/spartanDisplay2.html - showing the current pump issues. [23:43] Kodar (~Kodar@ham4.cc.fer.hr) left irc: [23:44] SpeedEvil, awesome! [23:45] Wow - they even have live CMG RPMs. [23:45] http://spacestationlive.nasa.gov/displays/adcoDisplay3.html [23:46] yea [23:47] PB0NER (~pb0ner@xcxcvxvcn.xs4all.nl) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:50] Lunar_Lander__ (~kevin@p5488B891.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Quit: Verlassend [23:53] PE2G (~Miranda@a83-161-208-176.adsl.xs4all.nl) joined #highaltitude. 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