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[00:20] Even if you manage to get the working registration link out of the source you STILL need a document reference number they didnt think to include on the welcome letter [00:20] I had to sign up using a pen and paper [00:21] I have an account, I just wanted to use their terrible website to get some prices [00:21] ah [00:21] normal account not online account [00:21] I've seen the part of the boc website the local depot use -- it's horrible [00:22] They use a dot matrix printer at ours [00:22] hah [00:22] it takes about 5 mins to pick up the helium, and 15 mins to wait for the invoice to print [00:22] they have at least a laser printer here [00:23] Ooo classy [00:23] but it still takes about 10 minutes to get someones attention [00:23] then 10 minutes for them to login to BOC and figure out how it works [00:23] They dont seem to the the brightest of people [00:23] trouble is they just have one guy who does it -- and he's never there [00:24] always seem to be at launch [00:24] lunch* [00:28] Boggle_mint (~jon@cpc1-cmbg10-0-0-cust144.5-4.cable.virginm.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [00:28] BrainDamage (~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-243-243.clienti.tiscali.it) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [00:29] BrainDamage (~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-243-243.clienti.tiscali.it) joined #highaltitude. [00:30] Its also annoying they dont do a mid size cylinder, 1.48m3 is tiny and 7.21m3 is huge [00:33] Anyway NOTAM application sent and hydrogen enquired about, that should do it for now. Night! [00:33] chrisstubbs (~chrisstub@host86-181-184-142.range86-181.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Like it? Visit #hydrairc on EFNet [00:35] gonzo_p (~gonzo_p@host31-54-15-196.range31-54.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [00:51] Laurenceb__ (~Laurence@host81-159-191-89.range81-159.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [00:53] charolastra_ (~quassel@213-33-9-59.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [00:55] wd8mnv_away (4c67fd96@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.103.253.150) left irc: Ping timeout: 250 seconds [01:13] BrainDamage (~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-243-243.clienti.tiscali.it) left irc: Quit: Leaving. 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[08:10] KiwiDean (~anonymous@149.155.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [08:15] gonzo_p (~gonzo_p@host86-143-62-13.range86-143.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [08:17] gonzo__p (~gonzo_p@host31-54-15-196.range31-54.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [08:18] number10 (519a0bc2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.154.11.194) joined #highaltitude. [08:18] gonzo__p (~gonzo_p@host81-157-39-167.range81-157.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [08:20] Is the raw data sent from dlfldigi to habhub available? [08:20] gonzo_p (~gonzo_p@host86-143-62-13.range86-143.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [08:20] Had good packets of my test hab but forgot to copy paste the data [08:27] arko, only if you have a payload document, otherwise it's only on the logtail [08:29] Ah ok thought so [08:30] daveake (~daveake@daveake.plus.com) joined #highaltitude. 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[08:47] If there is a log tail, there must be a full log: $$HABEXpico4,26,06:13:31,47.16410,-143.48946,0,0,49*2953\n [08:48] Joel_re (~jr@223.230.146.184) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [08:49] gonzo__p (~gonzo_p@host86-182-116-193.range86-182.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [08:50] gonzo__p (~gonzo_p@host86-182-117-83.range86-182.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [08:50] #habhub'ers have access to it [08:50] Joel_re (~jr@115.69.254.207) joined #highaltitude. [08:52] gonzo_p (~gonzo_p@host86-180-72-236.range86-180.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [08:54] gonzo__p (~gonzo_p@host86-182-117-83.range86-182.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [08:59] Nick change: DL1SGP1 -> DL1SGP [09:00] good morning and good start of weekend! [09:01] WillTablet (~Willdude1@unaffiliated/willdude123) joined #highaltitude. [09:02] Morning [09:02] good morning [09:02] I had a dream that I came out to my parents and it was all fine. I hate waking up from dreams like that [09:03] I hate it when you find out a dream wasn't real [09:08] BrainDamage (~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-243-243.clienti.tiscali.it) joined #highaltitude. [09:21] mattltm (~mattltm@host86-148-201-74.range86-148.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [09:22] eroomde (~ed@188.29.164.87.threembb.co.uk) joined #highaltitude. [09:22] Morning all :) [09:23] and you [09:24] Steve_G0TDJ (d49f4aee@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.159.74.238) joined #highaltitude. [09:24] WillTablet (~Willdude1@unaffiliated/willdude123) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:25] Willdude123_ (~Willdude1@unaffiliated/willdude123) joined #highaltitude. [09:28] hi [09:29] Hey nats` [09:30] Anyone want to help me do a launch from the South East coast? [09:31] Action: Steve_G0TDJ sometimes wishes he could drive [09:31] same here I got the motorbike license this year [09:31] :p [09:31] Public transport FTW! [09:31] I waited too long and now I need the car [09:31] I really don't like public transport mattltm, sorry [09:31] public transport is cool until you try to move a bunch of heavy crap :D [09:32] (I only say that because I drive everywhere!) [09:32] Where's the launch mattltm [09:32] Steve_G0TDJ: I love public transport as long as I'm not on it :p [09:32] Exactly!" [09:32] Somewhere in Thanet area. [09:32] BrainDamage (~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-243-243.clienti.tiscali.it) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [09:33] mattltm: where exactly? [09:33] palq (3ec5dc01@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.197.220.1) joined #highaltitude. [09:33] oh yuou just said [09:33] I have a friend down there who might be interested. He's not what you'd call fully mobile but he'd be interestd I bet [09:33] BrainDamage (~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-243-243.clienti.tiscali.it) joined #highaltitude. [09:34] I'm flexiable for the launch location. [09:34] mattltm: Send me an e-mail ad I'll put you in touch: steve@g0tdj.com [09:34] hi eroomde :) [09:34] one for the dutchies [09:34] morning nats` [09:34] all well? [09:34] I have a Meganut assembled and some money for a ballon and gas. Just need to sort out a GPS. [09:35] wait [09:35] meganut [09:35] >_> [09:35] they're still around? [09:36] I've had this on on the bench for ages. Thought I may as well send it out to do it's jop :) [09:36] lol [09:36] wait, whre did that come from? [09:36] s/jop/job [09:36] did i giv out the dsign at some point [09:36] that was >2 years ago [09:36] NigeyS a longggggggggggg time ago. [09:37] heh [09:37] Sent me the PCB. [09:37] i designed it for him [09:37] liv on skype [09:37] cool. [09:37] BrainDamage (~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-243-243.clienti.tiscali.it) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:37] Do you still have the pinout for the GPS connector? [09:38] erm [09:38] mayb [09:38] BrainDamage (~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-243-243.clienti.tiscali.it) joined #highaltitude. [09:38] dunno where [09:38] i did that a looooooong tim ago [09:39] not that long :) [09:39] that was pre-micronut [09:39] before i was still a n00b at pcb dsign [09:39] well, when i was still a n00b [09:39] i think it was since i stopped launching [09:39] not so much of a n00b now [09:40] lol. Not to worry if you don't. It's simple to work out. [09:40] yeah [09:40] eroomde: it eas the year we brok 40km [09:40] yes i recall [09:40] If the smoke comes out then I've done it wrong :) [09:40] post ESA [09:41] i helped you move [09:41] tab life for me personally is defined as BE (before ESA, happy time) and PE (post-esa, cab anymore) [09:41] lol [09:41] hab life* [09:41] hey, my callsign is going to look like this - //$$callsign,timestamp,long,N,lat,E,alt,internal_temp,external_temp,pressure,battery_voltage [09:41] is that too long [09:41] or is it right [09:41] er [09:41] well thats not your callsign [09:41] thats your entire sentenc3 [09:41] err yeah :p [09:41] remember checksum [09:41] that's fine [09:42] ok so I can have any number of fields [09:42] do many people do the N/S stuff? [09:42] or do most use lat/long with =- signs [09:42] +- signs* [09:42] ^^ I was wondering if thats required [09:42] rbckman (~rob@77-105-108-209.lpok.fi) joined #highaltitude. [09:43] dunno, i guess it depends how much procssing you want to do [09:43] most people read in the lat/long, store it as *something*, then emit it as degrees decimal [09:43] others just copy out bits of the NMEA strings [09:43] so its DDMM.MMM,N/S [09:43] etc [09:43] yeah [09:43] current data is in degree minutes seconds [09:44] mm [09:44] i dunno, i guess thats ok [09:44] maybe [09:44] ask someone else :P [09:44] is - north or south [09:44] I find decimal better [09:44] easier to tap into a satnav when you're chasing [09:44] easier to do maths with [09:45] like your geofence [09:45] hrm [09:45] yup [09:46] seventeen (021bf881@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.27.248.129) left irc: Quit: Page closed [09:46] Action: Joel_re tries to figure a way to convert from minutes to decimal [09:46] without using float* [09:46] ehh [09:46] a few floats wont kill you [09:46] sure its not efficient [09:46] but you only hav to do it once a scond [09:49] OH7HJ-1 (~Juha@dsl-jnsbrasgw2-50dfa7-205.dhcp.inet.fi) joined #highaltitude. [09:50] Darkside: yeah, well the concern is converting from the strings to float [09:50] which as a lib would end up hogging mem [09:51] ehh [09:51] TinyGPS does it [09:51] and it all fits [09:51] nooooooooo [09:51] eroomde: yeah yeah [09:51] shush [09:51] Joel_re: or use a ubloc gps [09:51] and use binary comms [09:51] ublox* [09:51] that way its alrady in float [09:52] of course you hav to conver it back to a string again [09:52] but ehh [09:52] it all fits [09:52] hrm [09:53] wonder if the mtk3339 has a binary mode [09:53] er [09:53] do thy work >18km? [09:53] use ublox, then theres a lot of code out there that already works [09:54] DarkCow (~DarkCow@cpc22-acto3-2-0-cust128.4-2.cable.virginm.net) joined #highaltitude. [09:55] Darkside: sourcing it where I live seems a bit hard [09:55] order one from upu? [09:55] the mtk3339 wont cut it? [09:55] it stops at 27km [09:55] aha, the man himself [09:55] note Adafruit say it works "above 25km" [09:56] sure all the way to 27km [09:57] lol. [09:57] SushiKenBrown_ (~quassel@cmr-208-124-174-194.cr.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #highaltitude. [09:57] :o [09:58] Upu: do you have the NTX2B in stock yet? [09:58] yes [09:58] all in stock now [09:58] jcoxon (~jcoxon@host86-163-163-212.range86-163.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [09:59] and what GPS do you recomend? [09:59] ublox [09:59] durr [09:59] Ublox [09:59] SushiKenBrown (~quassel@cmr-208-124-174-194.cr.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [09:59] http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:gps_modules [09:59] morning all [09:59] morning jcoxon [09:59] ublox [09:59] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [09:59] there are only a few GPS modules known to work above 18km [10:00] Will the one with the chip antenna be ok for a simple launch? [10:00] anything SiRF in it doesn't work (exception Inventek ISM) [10:00] yep [10:00] But you don't have it in stock... [10:03] hrm, the ublox is a bit too expensive as well [10:03] compared to the mtk3339 [10:03] looking at thier asia site [10:03] BrainDamage1 (~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-243-243.clienti.tiscali.it) joined #highaltitude. [10:03] BrainDamage (~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-243-243.clienti.tiscali.it) left irc: Disconnected by services [10:03] Andrew_M6GTG (516285cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.98.133.203) joined #highaltitude. [10:06] eh ? [10:06] bloody stuck [10:06] stock [10:07] try now [10:07] ibanezmatt13 (1f3771e7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.55.113.231) joined #highaltitude. [10:08] Joel_re Adafruits Ultimate is $60 [10:08] ublox is a superior gps module, smaller, quicker to lock, relatively good power saving and works well above 18km [10:08] http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=59_60&product_id=52 [10:08] and you can have 10% off that [10:08] just use the coupon code UKHAS [10:09] Tnx :) [10:09] What freq are the NTX2B on? [10:09] jcoxon: Im trying to reduce costs on my first launch since, it is my first and theres a big possibility of the payload being lost [10:10] whatever you want mattltm see the list of availble [10:10] the mtk3339 datasheet does say max altitude of 18000m [10:10] Action: Joel_re slaps forehead [10:11] Are 075 and 650 still the only licence exempt freqs for us? [10:11] no any of the ones I sell are license exempt [10:11] I don't supply 075 and 650 any more [10:11] Neeto! [10:11] just a bunch inbetween [10:11] anyway afk a bit [10:11] yea it's a band rather than set frequencies [10:11] 075 and 650 where just the most popular choices [10:12] I knew that. Honnest! [10:13] Hi fsphil :) [10:13] morning mattltm :) what are you up to today? [10:13] M6PFX-Paul (~u@cpc19-tilb8-2-0-cust8.20-1.cable.virginm.net) left irc: [10:14] Loads. In between baby duty (I wish someone would bring me hot milk and change my pants every 3 hours!) I'll be putting up a new HF antenna and getting my new radio to play nice with it. [10:15] Also, trying to work out how to get this old Meganut board in the air. [10:15] yikes! [10:15] I'll not say what I'm doing today [10:16] Go on.... [10:16] that's it [10:16] might watch some telly later [10:18] i'm on a bus to london [10:18] lunch in sloane square at some lah-de-dah place of the sort my sister frequents [10:18] enjoy the ride eroomde [10:18] Sounds fun. [10:18] then seeing some friends this eve [10:18] don't make eye contact with anyone eroomde [10:19] Don't forget to hold your pinky out when sipping your tea... [10:19] Or, just make huge, long and very loud slurping noises. [10:19] heh [10:20] and keep saying everything is delightful [10:22] more like don't forget to swear in russian after finishing my vodka [10:27] benoxley (~benoxley@66.172.10.141) joined #highaltitude. 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[10:43] winter is coming [10:44] get you're payload working and bring it with you and you might be able to launch it yourself with help from people around cambride [10:45] s/you're/your/ [10:45] heh, I'd be questioned by airport authorities [10:46] Babs (5eaf0925@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.175.9.37) joined #highaltitude. [10:47] ibanezmatt13 (1f3771e7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.55.113.231) left irc: Quit: Page closed [10:47] we have permentant notams [10:49] and lots of experienced people around Cambridge [10:51] Joel_re (~jr@115.69.254.207) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [10:53] Joel_re (~jr@103.31.146.200) joined #highaltitude. [10:54] eroomde (~ed@188.29.164.87.threembb.co.uk) left irc: Quit: eroomde [11:00] ibanezmatt13 (1f375ca1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.55.92.161) joined #highaltitude. [11:03] g4ayu (50c193ea@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.193.147.234) joined #highaltitude. [11:03] Joel_re (~jr@103.31.146.200) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:15] I have a time string like 123432 and I want to convert it into seconds. So I split it into hours, minutes, seconds, multiplied hours by 3600, minutes by 60, and added the three up. That's right isn't it? [11:16] that sounds right [11:16] ah, it might be because it thinks the time string is an integer actually [11:16] yeah I thought it did [11:16] bertrik (~quassel@ip117-49-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) joined #highaltitude. [11:16] bertrik (~quassel@ip117-49-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) left irc: Changing host [11:16] bertrik (~quassel@rockbox/developer/bertrik) joined #highaltitude. [11:17] if you're doing string type manipulation on it you need to make sure it's seen as a string. [11:17] yeah, I think that was the problem, should be ok now [11:18] In C that's easy as you define the type. In Python you might need to do something with it to make it treat it as a string. [11:19] I've fixed it mfa298, it was the fact I converted to string to split the fields up but didn't convert back to integer to do the calculations [11:19] python [11:19] mattltm (~mattltm@host86-148-201-74.range86-148.btcentralplus.com) left irc: [11:20] heh [11:24] Nick change: Darkside -> VK5QI [11:24] Nick change: VK5QI -> Darkside [11:25] Good Evening Darks [11:25] Darkside :D [11:25] sorry about that [11:25] ibanezmatt13 (1f375ca1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.55.92.161) left irc: Ping timeout: 250 seconds [11:25] that's fine :D [11:26] lovely outdoor setup in the washdown area [11:30] rbckman (~rob@77-105-108-209.lpok.fi) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [11:30] ibanezmatt13 (1f375ca1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.55.92.161) joined #highaltitude. [11:30] Daas (3ea33345@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.163.51.69) joined #highaltitude. [11:30] Daas (3ea33345@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.163.51.69) left #highaltitude. [11:30] ibanezmatt13 (1f375ca1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.55.92.161) left irc: Client Quit [11:30] Joel_re (~jr@103.31.146.200) joined #highaltitude. [11:40] I hate when verilog simulate correctly but physical implementation is not doable [11:40] -_- [11:46] Willdude123_ (~Willdude1@unaffiliated/willdude123) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:47] WillTablet (~Willdude1@unaffiliated/willdude123) joined #highaltitude. [11:55] MoALTz (~no@host86-142-120-66.range86-142.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [11:59] Joel_re (~jr@103.31.146.200) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:02] nobody launching impossible orbital rockets from balloons today then? [12:03] I am planning today to launch a 100kg payload into space. [12:03] I think this may be optimistic - but hey. [12:03] oooh: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4a3zbZamYiU [12:04] Action: SpeedEvil practices yogic flying. [12:04] ATV-4 re-entry [12:04] such a waste of a perfectly good spacecraft that [12:06] mm [12:06] Expensive fire [12:07] :/ [12:08] green line has changed [12:08] fsphil: they could have designed them for resuse for something [12:08] wonder if that's doppler or speed of the atv [12:09] yea, loss-of-signal [12:09] it's gone [12:09] didn't see any fireworks [12:10] Action: SpeedEvil wants to see Dragon doing that peoperly [12:11] didn't they already? [12:11] Tom____ (560b7bcc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.11.123.204) joined #highaltitude. [12:12] And recovering cargo with a propulsive landing. [12:12] Tom____ (560b7bcc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.11.123.204) left irc: Client Quit [12:12] Leaving a reflyable dragon. [12:17] Flying a HAB to ISS would be fun. [12:18] with a panel that unfolds "Hello from #highalitutde" [12:18] the first 30km is easy. it's the 250km after that that's the trick [12:19] more actually, it's 370km up [12:19] and then having to match the speed [12:19] space isn't easy [12:20] https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BYEKjK6CYAALoxc.jpg:large [12:20] DL1SGP: :D great idea [12:20] red dot is the atv [12:22] Martin_G4FUI (~Martin@mjrigby.demon.co.uk) left irc: Quit: TTFN [12:24] BrainDamage1 (~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-243-243.clienti.tiscali.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:26] predictions for next weekend are not as far north [12:26] hope that holds [12:31] Joel_re (~jr@103.31.146.200) joined #highaltitude. [12:33] fsphil: what is far north? :) [12:34] scotland :) [12:34] lz1dev (~rgp@188-221-236-112.zone12.bethere.co.uk) joined #highaltitude. [12:35] http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=804a9388be1b0a16829b74e37c78d14b05a764ed [12:35] I find your trajectory acceptable pls launch [12:36] ibanezmatt13 (56b177e0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.177.119.224) joined #highaltitude. [12:37] Upu have you posted the patch antenna yet? [12:37] no will [12:38] Okay [12:40] lz1dev (~rgp@188-221-236-112.zone12.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [12:40] It's not as if the boards will be turning up anytime soon anyhow :-) [12:41] WillTablet: Send Mitch and email and he'll remake them for you [12:42] Keivo_ (~Keivo@214.48.46.176.dyn.estpak.ee) joined #highaltitude. [12:43] skoushik (~Koushik@122.178.233.167) joined #highaltitude. [12:45] M6PFX-Paul (~u@cpc19-tilb8-2-0-cust8.20-1.cable.virginm.net) joined #highaltitude. [12:46] ibanezmatt13 (56b177e0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.177.119.224) left irc: Quit: Page closed [12:48] "The prediction may be unreliable!" :) [12:50] as are my launch announcements :) [12:53] jcoxon (~jcoxon@host86-163-163-212.range86-163.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:53] ibanezmatt13 (56b177e0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.177.119.224) joined #highaltitude. [12:53] ibanezmatt13: he did [12:54] : [12:54] :/ [12:54] They were sent today [12:54] ah ok, hopefully they;ll get here this time [12:58] Action: Reb-SM3ULC confused by yagi. Equal signal even when tx is orthogonal to antenna. [12:59] skoushik (~Koushik@122.178.233.167) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:00] skoushik (~Koushik@122.178.233.167) joined #highaltitude. [13:05] Nick change: Steffanx -> Steffan- [13:05] cuddykid (~acudworth@host-78-145-105-165.as13285.net) joined #highaltitude. [13:05] Laurenceb__ (~Laurence@host81-159-191-89.range81-159.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [13:06] hi all - in the process of submitting the app to app store. Does anyone have the SVG file for http://i.imgur.com/6YLbnKp.png I have lost it and they need a 1024x1024 version :( [13:06] skoushik (~Koushik@122.178.233.167) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:06] skoushik (~Koushik@122.178.233.167) joined #highaltitude. [13:09] hey cuddykid [13:09] afternoon Upu :) [13:09] https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63720513/Images/HAB/Tracker_App/icon.psd [13:10] super, thanks [13:10] nsp [13:10] nps [13:44] mikedom (~smuxi@75-134-208-31.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) joined #highaltitude. [14:02] WillTablet (~Willdude1@unaffiliated/willdude123) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:04] DL7AD (~quassel@p50865823.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #highaltitude. [14:12] M6PFX-Paul (~u@cpc19-tilb8-2-0-cust8.20-1.cable.virginm.net) left irc: [14:18] T5Hearhrow (2e42fc76@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.66.252.118) joined #highaltitude. 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[14:59] g4ayu (50c193ea@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.193.147.234) left irc: Quit: Page closed [15:00] linux question, any distros that are just the base installation so that you can compile everything on top [15:00] there used to be Core Linux but seems to have disappeared [15:01] don't really want a package manager [15:01] gentoo used to do that [15:01] of there's Linux from scratch if you really want to start from scratch [15:02] you can get a fairly minimal install of centos (and I imagine ubuntu/debian) [15:02] that was what was nice with Core Linux, enough of GCC to just crack on [15:02] yeah thats a fair point [15:03] I think gentoo gave you a fairly small base to start from, although it was kind of package based, it's just the package manager downloaded sources and patches and compiled it for you. [15:04] gonzo_p (~gonzo_p@host86-178-174-71.range86-178.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [15:05] jcoxon: the ubuntu netinstall isn't bad [15:05] it gives you a very bare minimal working linux system [15:05] but yea depends on what you want it for [15:05] LFS is kinda hardcore :P [15:06] i used to run my own distro for a while [15:06] :-p [15:06] well I guess you are kinda hardcore :P [15:06] Babs (5eaf0925@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.175.9.37) left irc: Ping timeout: 250 seconds [15:06] had about 1000 downloads [15:06] :-p [15:06] hah, nice! [15:06] I tried going the LFS route once in the early days, but that was a lot of pain - although I think I was doing compilation on a 486. [15:07] adamgreig, required 2 floppy disks [15:07] ran on my 386 with 8mb of ram [15:08] ibanezmatt13 (56b177e0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.177.119.224) joined #highaltitude. [15:09] haha nice [15:09] I started trying to do that sort of thing once, kernel on one floppy and my own application on another floppy to act as the init replacement - I never got that far with it though. [15:09] crash_18974 (~crash_@2605:8900:1000:1001:8:0:e:2) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [15:10] old hardware used to be nice to play with, well apart from trying to get lots of ISA network cards to play nicely in a 486. [15:10] :-) [15:12] fun juggling the interrupts [15:13] crash_18974 (~crash_@2605:8900:1000:1001:8:0:e:2) joined #highaltitude. [15:14] hi everyone [15:15] can anyone advice about ultrafire batteries? [15:15] Nick change: iqon_ -> acidtech [15:15] Nick change: acidtech -> acidtechh [15:16] do you mean things along the lines of the 18650 Li-ion cells ? [15:16] yes [15:17] is it good quality cell? [15:17] Possibly not the best for HABs although I'm not sure if anyone has tried them. [15:17] crash_18974 (~crash_@2605:8900:1000:1001:8:0:e:2) left irc: Ping timeout: 259 seconds [15:19] most people favour the energise lithium ultimate cells as they have a good capaicty, low weight and work well at cold temperatures. [15:25] Geoff-G8DHE_ (~Geoff-G8D@geoffg8dhe.plus.com) joined #highaltitude. [15:25] skoushik (~Koushik@122.178.233.167) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:27] AK4RP (~hp@c-71-228-250-95.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: AK4RP [15:27] Geoff-G8DHE-M (~Geoff-G8D@geoffg8dhe.plus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [15:27] Nick change: Geoff-G8DHE_ -> Geoff-G8DHE-M [15:31] Geoff-G8DHE_ (~Geoff-G8D@geoffg8dhe.plus.com) joined #highaltitude. [15:32] a quick google suggests a couple of that style of battery are specced for discharge at -20C, a few more -10C and several don't list anything. For charging you want them over 0C. Remember that HABs can go down to -40C depending on the hardware. [15:34] Lunar_Lander (~kevin@p5488A1EF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #highaltitude. [15:34] hello! [15:34] Hallo Lunar_Lander [15:34] :)cool, spacenear.us leitet einen direkt nach San Jose grad [15:35] Geoff-G8DHE-M (~Geoff-G8D@geoffg8dhe.plus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [15:35] Nick change: Geoff-G8DHE_ -> Geoff-G8DHE-M [15:35] ist da besseres Wetter? [15:40] hoffentlich :) [15:41] das gooten tag. der morgin is nicht. (I'm making this up) [15:42] THat's VAYU-1 tested ready for tomorrow. [15:43] heh you yook it into shower this morning to test it? [15:43] LOL no, why's that? [15:43] pico launch? [15:43] Yeah, pico Phil [15:44] Oh the temp. That's internal. Read with the AVR chip [15:44] Not sure how accurate it is ;-/ [15:44] ah, snus is no longer the serene place it was with no balloons. [15:44] I just got a link from ##rtlsdr about tire pressure monitors (apparently very common in the USA), they measure not just pressure, but apparently also temperature and accelleration. They transmit that through manchester-coded FSK over 315 MHz or 433 MHz. [15:44] Perhaps could be fun to send one of those up with a balloon [15:45] The video is at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKqiq2Y43Wg and the project to receive them is at https://github.com/jboone/tpms/ [15:46] Steve_G0TDJ, ah the temp sensor that is in the Atmega328? [15:46] what's the pressure/temperature range? [15:46] Yes [15:48] fsphil: I don't know, but probably optimised for 1+ bar [15:50] they probably have unique IDs, but it would be fun to fly one -- thousands of cars suddently reporting -40c tyre pressures and no air [15:50] temperature* [15:52] ibanezmatt13 (56b177e0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.177.119.224) left irc: Quit: Page closed [15:55] lol! [15:55] you mean like operating an NTX2 somewhere and the car keys don't work anymore [15:55] ? [15:58] Joel_re (~jr@103.31.146.200) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [15:59] or flying a really powerful IR transmitter, and switching all the TVs off [15:59] bertrik: if you reverse engineer the way they send the data you might even bring a uc into sky that sends through some ism transmitter and iterates through the unique id bits [16:00] switch some RF power sockets :) [16:00] Joel_re (~jr@171.77.24.30) joined #highaltitude. [16:03] xD [16:03] make your own Hessdalen light [16:03] XD [16:06] UT3BW (5ee7bb22@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.231.187.34) joined #highaltitude. [16:10] seventeen (021bf881@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.27.248.129) joined #highaltitude. [16:13] Joel_re (~jr@171.77.24.30) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [16:19] ibanezmatt13 (56b177e0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.177.119.224) joined #highaltitude. 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[18:22] KD8ATF-TAB (~androirc@mobile-198-228-227-123.mycingular.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [18:23] anyone know pwm on a attiny? i'm having an issue with it unexpectedly stopping and restarting [18:29] Brunzmeflugen (~Brunzmefl@ip68-7-84-49.sd.sd.cox.net) joined #highaltitude. [18:33] nigelvh (~nigel@c-24-22-141-166.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [18:33] not me [18:35] lz1dev (~rgp@188-221-236-112.zone12.bethere.co.uk) joined #highaltitude. [18:36] gonzo_p (~gonzo_p@host86-178-172-29.range86-178.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [18:40] lz1dev (~rgp@188-221-236-112.zone12.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [18:52] DL1SGP1 (~DL1SGP@dhcp27.signon1.uk.beevpn.com) joined #highaltitude. [18:53] MLow (~MLow@74.63.229.166) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [18:54] MLow (~MLow@74.63.229.166) joined #highaltitude. 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[19:59] ibanezmatt13 (6d909baf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.144.155.175) left irc: Client Quit [20:00] there's a total and annular eclipse tomorrow in Atlantic and Africa [20:02] ibanezmatt13 (6d909baf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.144.155.175) joined #highaltitude. [20:08] does fdigi in rtty mode require the extra 3 sync bits? example baudot code is 5 bits long, the extra three is one low then the 5 then 2 high? [20:10] rtty is the same as rs232 style serial [20:10] BrainDamage (~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-243-243.clienti.tiscali.it) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:10] ascii encoded [20:10] BrainDamage (~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-243-243.clienti.tiscali.it) joined #highaltitude. [20:10] it doesn't follow the following? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baudot_code [20:11]