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[03:34] nayr (~nayr@users.nayr.net) got lost in the net-split. [03:46] hello nigelvh [03:46] Evening [03:46] heh... I grabbed 10 standard mylar "Mother's Day" balloons thinking Monday they'd be pretty cheap... [03:46] there is like zero lift [03:47] doubt ten of 'em would lift a pair of AA batteries! [03:55] Have you actually measured the lift? [04:25] no [04:25] I just weighed my tracker and 3 standard Energizer AA's... 115.83 grams (with a stubby duck antenna) [04:26] that's without ANY insulation or a keychain HD camera... [04:26] let me toss on the camera... [04:26] 135.04 grams [04:26] with the keychain [04:27] I need to lose the battery holder for sure... solder them together... [04:28] but I know what that'd do to the batts (potentially) [04:28] if I'm not fast enough [04:29] and I think my 1/4 whip might weigh less (probably the same) [04:29] add counterpoise... [04:29] dang... [04:29] and insulation... [04:29] Yep, it adds up. [04:30] fast! [04:30] do you know what a single 3 ft. mylar provides in lift? [04:31] Nope [04:31] so I know how many would be needed... [04:31] :( [04:31] I know already one won't be enough [04:31] four to six maybe... [04:31] for a pico [04:31] That sounds about usual [04:31] APRS pico seems to be heavier payload than RTTY... [04:32] there are issues with having that many balloons too, as you probably won't manage to fill them all exactly the same [04:32] APRS pico has a larger antenna. [04:32] right [04:32] still, it'l go up with enough of them :P [04:32] :) [04:32] just probably one will burst before the others which might make it just descend very slowly or do other annoying things [04:32] but what is enough for fast ascent to burst? [04:32] well that's kinda one of the problems [04:32] one of them bursts first [04:33] now there's not enough lift, it descends very slowly [04:33] touches down in the evening [04:33] bah... [04:33] next morning, sun warms it up, there's just enough lift to pick up a little [04:33] and it starts drifting a long way at low altitude, into power lines and roads and so forth [04:33] need a sensor on each balloon... one bursts... cutdown. [04:33] Just do a time cutdown. [04:33] or an altitude (or change in altitude) cutdown [04:33] time is good too [04:34] Randomskk: are you in the US or UK? [04:34] UK [04:34] despite what timezones may lead you to believe [04:34] okay... so say a 1km drop... cutdown? [04:34] I live on UTC [04:34] heathkid: that kind of thing [04:34] heathkid: UTC <3 though sadly right now the UK is in BST so we're an hour off [04:34] very frustrating [04:35] Action: heathkid is UTC -5 right now [04:35] I wouldn't typically be awake at this hour but my MEng project is worrying [04:35] so I am worrying at it [04:35] what's a MEng project? [04:35] hmm [04:35] my master of engineering degree project [04:36] mechanical engineering? [04:36] heathkid, I wouldn't rely on the alt. I'd do a cutdown if it's still up after a few hours if you want it nearby. [04:36] just "engineering", though my specialism is technically "computer and information engineering [04:36] that's what my degree is in sort of... [04:36] computer engineering technology [04:36] in reality I'm mostly doing info stuff, a mix of control and inference and sigproc and things [04:37] though I spent two years doing mechanical and thermo and fluids and civil and materials and god knows what else [04:37] yeah... in reality... I do nothing that has to do with my degree [04:37] hehe [04:38] okay nigelvh... now I'm stuck with not knowing how many balloons I need to provide lift for a fast ascent... nor how fast they will ascend for a time based cutudown which this version of the board doesn't support... [04:39] I'm afraid if I do a "pico" launch... it'll end up transatlantic! [04:39] Not sure that's likely, but it may not be an easy recovery. [04:39] or at least "atlantic"... and get pretty wet and non-recoverable [04:39] picos are often fairly tricky to recover [04:40] I'm in Indiana... the Jetstream is usually right above me [04:41] Randomskk: are you suggesting for the very FIRST launch I ever do with a new tracker board that hasn't flown yet (though a few variations already have)... I use my Kaymont 1600 and hope for the best? [04:41] if you want to recover it and have a predictable flight and all that, then quite possibly yes [04:41] you could get like a 100g latex balloon [04:42] that's like $500 for a launch and probably no hope of recovery.... [04:42] mylars are just more faff. harder to fill, very hard to balance the fill, and probably one will burst and the rest will sink slowly [04:42] maybe make a lighter payload ;) [04:42] (just kidding) [04:42] doing lots of mylar balloons works [04:42] yeah... not sure how it could be lighter... [04:42] but they do tend to have this issue with it falling slowly [04:42] cutdowns solve that nicely [04:43] and as a bonus really help ensure it lands nearby [04:43] but you'll probably need a fair few balloons [04:43] the tracker itself is only 13.83g [04:45] 3 AA (standard Energizers.. I know the Ultimate Lithiums are lighter) are 84.52g in a holder... [04:45] 13.83 isn't bad [04:45] but I've seen 1xAAA trackers, I think :P [04:46] definitely worth getting lithiums [04:46] stubby duck antenna for 2m is 17.44g [04:46] I guess that doesn't help [04:46] we mostly use 1/4 wave whips on 434MHz which are pretty light [04:46] can't do a HX-1 based tracker on one AA [04:47] step up voltage converters :P [04:47] already doing that [04:47] huh [04:47] current the problem? [04:47] :) [04:47] yep [04:47] fe [04:47] I forgot, those 2m radio units pack a reasonable punch huh? none of this 10mW stuff? [04:48] 300mW [04:48] and already looking at a 500mW transceiver [04:49] sucks to be in the UK [04:49] ;) [04:49] sorry... couldn't resist... [04:49] we manage >700km to the radio horizon on 10mW [04:49] I don't think we're lacking for much :P [04:49] need a lot more than 300mW to get beyond radio horizon [04:50] true [04:50] but we're doing APRS... not RTTY [04:50] However, FM benefits a good bit from more power. [04:50] I want to do APRS, RTTY, and CW [04:50] yea, aprs needs more [04:51] silly afsk [04:51] plus a 70cm video downlink [04:51] that's cool [04:51] ultimate goal is 1080p live video stream [04:51] doubt that'll ever happen [04:53] you need like 25MBit/s for 1080p [04:53] unless I do a sat uplink to downlink the video stream [04:53] _with_ compression [04:53] right [04:53] maybe 30 or so [04:54] especially with high motion from swinging balloons [04:54] I happen to do some contract work for a company that happens to own a few geosync sats... ;) [04:54] I guess you can use your amateur licenses though [04:54] ha [04:54] who knows... [04:54] still [04:54] pointing an antenna and getting enough power to uplink 30MBit/s on a satellite band [04:54] swinging balloons? [04:54] is going to be a fun challenge [04:55] swinging payloads* I guess [04:55] a couple gimbles... etc... that's the easy part (just need a bigger balloon) [04:55] :P [04:55] you're not the first to say that [04:56] sort of like a Steady-Cam tripod mount [04:56] with a stepper based direction motor [04:56] no crooked pics for me! lol [04:57] just need a bigger balloon! :P [04:57] good luck :P [04:57] Atlas rocket would be a lot easier... but not really in my budget. [04:58] heh.. filling my Kaymont 1600 blows the budget! :) [05:20] anyone have a link to a smaller latex that'll lift say... 200 grams? [05:20] and a lift calculator? [05:20] I want fast ascent to burst for my first launch [05:21] http://habhub.org/calc [05:24] Blarg [05:24] that doesn't seem to calculate anything... [05:25] do you have javascript enabled? [05:25] yes [05:25] I change things but nothing changes... [05:26] wfm [05:26] what browser? [05:26] Firefox [05:26] not that it should matter. it's just simple javascript [05:26] does the results box at the bottom have any values in it at all? [05:26] and if you click Constants, does it expand? [05:27] it does... but I don't see a results box [05:27] not having a results box sounds like it might be part of the problem [05:27] it should be between the input boxes and the constants box [05:27] :/ [05:30] with a payload mass of 225g and balloon mass of (Kaymont -200) with target burst altitude of 40000m I get: [05:30] Burst Altitude: 33000 m Ascent Rate: 2.33 m/s [05:30] Time to Burst: 238 min Neck Lift: 1733 g [05:30] Volume: 2.66 m3 2660 L 93.9 ft3 [05:30] is that right? [05:30] probably about right [05:31] that's a pretty slow ascent [05:31] don't I want about 5m/s? [05:31] it's not appalling but it is a bit slow [05:31] 5 is nicer [05:32] I tried changing it to a Kyamont 450 but nothing changed... using a 225g payload mass [05:33] check it hasn't given any errors in red text [05:33] like "Altitude unreachable for this configuration" [05:33] I'll try IE [05:33] (which is what I get with a 225g payload, 450g balloon mass, 40k burst) [05:33] firefox really should work. I recommend chrome if you're going to do something different. IE is more likely to not work. [05:33] hmm... I don't get that [05:33] I don't think it's your browser though [05:34] heathkid: it's in light read text, just above the results box [05:34] where the word "Result" was [05:34] I don't see a "Result" [05:35] IE is working better than Firefox [05:37] bah [05:37] really? [05:37] with a 225g payload a Kaymont 2000 is a "Result (ocnfiguration suggests a possible floater)???? [05:38] there we go... [05:38] I only need a Kaymont 3000 [05:38] 225g payload [05:38] Burst Altitude: 40000 m Ascent Rate: 5.37 m/s Time to Burst: 124 min Neck Lift: 1701 g Volume: 4.58 m3 4580 L 161.7 ft [05:39] not exactly a pico! [05:39] lol [05:40] that calculator is WAY off [05:40] on the kaymont site... [05:41] ...a Kaymont 3000 will lift a 4.4 lb. payload to 118,500 ft. before burst [05:42] uh huh [05:42] and if you plug in 2000g payload, kaymont 3000 balloon, and 36000m altitude [05:43] you get that it does get there, with an ascent rate of 6.5m/s [05:43] that's 1995.806 grams! [05:43] which works fine on the calculator [05:43] so which balloon do I need for a 225g payload? [05:43] I would note that the atmospheric density drops off exponentially and getting to 40km is a lot harder than 36km (118kft is 36km) [05:44] idk, not much of one. maybe a 800g [05:44] depends on how high you want to get [05:44] I'd be happy with 100kft for first launch [05:44] well then plug it all in and see what you get [05:44] the calculator is pretty accurate [05:46] seems a Kaymont 1200 to get me to 36km at 5.44 m/s is the best bet [05:47] $$$ helium [05:47] haven't weighed my paraschute or radar reflector yet [05:47] how does anyone do a pico??? [05:47] doesn't seem possible! [05:47] light payloads (<60g total) helps [05:48] the batteries weigh more than that [05:48] err [05:48] 1x lithium AA is 12g [05:48] sorry... don't have my lithiums yet to weigh... [05:48] that will run Upu's payload or my payload, for about 30 hours [05:48] ONE AA? [05:48] yes [05:49] hell, we could use a AAA if we were OK with the shorter runtime - that'd be 7g [05:49] Action: heathkid just fell out of his chair... give him a minute to recover... [05:50] lol [05:50] http://rfhead.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/DSC_7956.jpg [05:56] that's RTTY only... right? [05:57] not APRS? [05:57] yes, but you can do APRS with a single AA too [05:57] it just won't last as long [05:57] maybe a day [05:57] top [05:57] tops [05:57] with that board? [05:57] nah, not with that board [05:57] Upu has a design that does it [05:57] heh... I'll give RTTY a try if you can get Upu to send me a board to test [05:58] >_> [05:58] If I can run off one AAA lithium for fast ascent to burst and be able to track it... [05:58] then I can go from there... and go bigger and better [06:00] codrBlu (~codrBlu@cpe-184-57-3-176.columbus.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: codrBlu [06:02] otherwise... I'm about to give up on this hobby... seriously. [06:02] I need to get at something in the air ASAP! :) [06:12] Upu please help me... [06:21] jcoxon (~jcoxon@host86-148-50-47.range86-148.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [06:27] malgar (~malgar@adsl-ull-99-17.49-151.net24.it) joined #highaltitude. [06:27] jcoxon (~jcoxon@host86-148-50-47.range86-148.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:38] jcoxon (~jcoxon@host86-148-50-47.range86-148.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [06:52] steve_____ (~steve@cpc2-cbly1-0-0-cust515.6-2.cable.virginmedia.com) joined #highaltitude. [06:58] nayr_ (~nayr@users.nayr.net) joined #highaltitude. [06:59] malgar (~malgar@adsl-ull-99-17.49-151.net24.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [07:00] simrun (~simrun@gateway/shell/freebnc/x-xzncurgoocucopie) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [07:05] lz1dev (~rgp@46.47.80.192) joined #highaltitude. [07:06] simrun (~simrun@gateway/shell/freebnc/x-mevupfroauouvqar) joined #highaltitude. [07:09] lz1dev (~rgp@46.47.80.192) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [07:26] morning all [07:26] morning [07:28] hiya [07:29] daveake (~daveake@daveake.plus.com) joined #highaltitude. [07:29] all well? [07:32] Hiena (~boreger@81.93.195.181.datatrans.hu) joined #highaltitude. [07:33] SP9UOB_Tom (~verox@matrix.verox.pl) joined #highaltitude. [07:33] Action: SP9UOB_Tom is gone. Gone since Sat May 11 11:49:00 2013 [07:34] meta [07:35] all is very well, good morning [07:36] Nick change: x-f_ -> x-f [07:37] i tested my tracker earlier, it worked great 8 km away, behind the trees from the backseat! :) [07:38] homemade GP antenna and an RTLSDR for RX [07:39] nice! [07:39] sounds like ready for launch :) [07:39] we are finally getting there :) [07:43] i made a measure-tape yagi yesterday, too, but it wasn't even necessary this time, however i tested it yesterday in the garden with the payload antenna removed, and was amazed how much better it was compared to the GP, when i pointed it the right direction [07:44] yeah, not only do you get the increased gain, you more loose the 360 degrees of noise [07:45] i know that's technically the same thing, but i mean it's more about improving the SNR, i think, than collecting more energy, with habs sometimes [07:46] right, will try to test it on some amateur satellites today [07:47] rbckman (~rob@85-156-209-186.elisa-mobile.fi) joined #highaltitude. [07:51] daveake (~daveake@daveake.plus.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:54] morning [07:56] Morning upu [07:56] quick question if I might [07:56] sure [07:57] I submitted an order to your store for some GPS modules and ordered airsure shipping. What sort of timeframe does it take to get over here? [07:57] Received email: Steve "[UKHAS] Decoding RTTY tips" [07:57] good question [07:57] and it all depends on USPS [07:57] but its pretty quick normally [07:58] 5 working days I think [07:58] nosebleedkt (~nose@ppp141237128172.access.hol.gr) joined #highaltitude. [07:58] Good deal. Don't need it tomorrow, but 3 weeks is a bit too slow. [07:58] all depends if customs decide to hold it up [07:59] Those jerkbags. [07:59] I've had customs hold a package without reason for 5 weeks once [07:59] I even started the claim process then one day it just turned up [08:00] Hmm [08:00] Aim is six working days after posting to the Rest of the World. [08:00] Good deal [08:00] That works for me. [08:00] Will despatch tomorrow [08:00] Yes, seeing as it's sunday for you presently. [08:00] Thanks for the order its appreciated [08:01] Of course. [08:01] Thank you for having the uBlox modules at good prices. [08:02] can you get any further west than that without falling in the sea ? [08:02] Not really. [08:02] I do live in "Shoreline" [08:02] indeed [08:02] imaginative place name [08:03] you're almost Canadian [08:03] that said i live in oxford [08:03] which is where the river thames gets small enough that you can ford your oxen [08:03] Almost, canadia is only about an hour.5 north or so. [08:03] and before that i lived in cambridge [08:03] which is where there was a bridge over the river cam [08:04] so.... [08:04] anyone here from Cockermouth ? [08:04] bertrik (~quassel@rockbox/developer/bertrik) joined #highaltitude. [08:04] giggle [08:05] seriously [08:05] is that a real place [08:05] yes [08:05] wow [08:06] there are lots [08:06] Cocks, in Cornwall [08:06] Minge Lane in worcestershire [08:06] Bell End, also in worcestershire [08:06] Twatt in the shetlands [08:06] Sandy Balls in the new forrest [08:06] Fingeringhoe in Essex [08:06] Haha [08:07] Butt Hole Road in yorkshire [08:07] now you're just making it up [08:07] well there are hundreds [08:07] i'm not making any of it up [08:07] butt hole road? [08:07] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butt_Hole_Road [08:07] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/7263112/Britains-rudest-place-names.html [08:07] LOL [08:08] haha [08:08] hi [08:08] well [08:08] we have the trifecta in adelaide [08:08] lemme find a link, hold on [08:08] anyway Darkside you have Middle Intercourse Island [08:08] who wrote the ublox6 navmode bytes in thw ukhas? [08:08] Iron Knob [08:08] Mount Buggery [08:09] http://www.icanhasinternets.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/wQo1y.jpg [08:09] Upu: lol, Iron Knob is 50km from home home town [08:09] their tourism advertising campaign was "Iron Knob - What a hole!" (big ironore mine) [08:10] anyway [08:10] Gays Arcade [08:10] Erected 1885 [08:10] James Cumming, Architect [08:11] anyway moving on :) [08:11] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMR5JVo21wQ [08:11] can i evangelise roast chicken briefly [08:12] i have found the one true way of roasting one [08:12] lol [08:12] oh? [08:12] yes [08:12] listening [08:12] I went to a farm shop locally yesterday was amazing [08:12] it involves not being silly and faffy which i am prone to [08:12] bought lots of nice things [08:12] you need a good chicken [08:12] but [08:13] butt [08:13] just put some salt and pepper and herbs and whatever up its jacksie [08:13] and then only, only, strictly only, salt and pepper on the skin [08:13] about 1 tbsp of salt, really to give it a decent covering [08:13] chicken crackling? [08:14] then an hour or two uncovered in the fridge to get the skin really dry [08:14] then into a 230C oven (not cooler) for 1 hour [08:14] the end [08:14] really hot, no faffing, maybe have the chicken up above the roast try and one of those little griddles so the bottom gets crisp too [08:15] and it's by miles the best chicken i've ever had [08:15] cool [08:15] the skin is orgasmic, the flesh is really juicy as it's cooked for a hotter and shorter time so doesn't dry out so much [08:15] and there is so much flavour even yough you have not been making up paprika butter to put under the skin or whatever it is you feel you ought to [08:16] srsly, revelatory [08:16] and so simple [08:16] i am having steak tonight [08:16] just dont chicken out (ha) and do 1.5hrs at 200 or whatever [08:16] 230 [08:16] nom [08:16] 230 is very hot [08:16] is it getting cooked all the way through ? [08:17] you know what else is hot? [08:17] i served it with some baby new potatoes and leeks and carrots which i poached in stock then plasted in a hot pan and butter [08:17] bad your mum jokes [08:17] 230 in a fan assisted oven [08:17] upu - was 78C in the thighs after 1hr [08:17] 73 being the required temp [08:17] sp yep, was perfect [08:17] i was worried to [08:17] don;t be [08:17] so much material in this conversation [08:17] ok fair enough [08:17] 17:47 < eroomde> upu - was 78C in the thighs after 1hr [08:17] upu was 78 degrees in the thighs eh? [08:17] lol [08:17] pretty hot [08:18] i'm doing it today again for some friends over from SF [08:18] when i'm feeling strong enough to resist a bout of salmonella i'll give it a go [08:18] because it means i'll have 2 carcusses for stock [08:18] which it was yum [08:18] will take pictures [08:18] pls do [08:19] don;t be scared it the skin starts looking prematurely brown after 40 mins [08:20] I would be :) [08:20] just relax and open a bottle [08:20] when the chicken comes out, leave it 10 mins to rest but not too covered as that will trap steam and reduce the crisp [08:20] 10-15 mins [08:21] during which time i just did the new potatoes in the stick and juices from the roasting pan [08:21] goddamnit [08:21] this is making me hungry [08:21] this was how the man from la ruchotte said to do it [08:21] because his turkey was orgasmatron [08:21] why didnt you mention this an hour ago eroomde [08:21] i would have gone out and bought a chicken tot ry it wiht [08:21] shops are closed now :( [08:22] oh, the chicken should be trussed [08:22] which makes everything moreeven [08:22] nosebleedkt (~nose@ppp141237128172.access.hol.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [08:25] daveake (~daveake@daveake.plus.com) joined #highaltitude. [08:38] Upu: the other happy thing is making up some mayo to make a feast out of the leftovers [08:40] morning all [08:41] number10 (569e9134@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.158.145.52) joined #highaltitude. [08:44] since wearing glass recently i've found that i need them more and more [08:44] perhaps i should have never worn them in the first place... [08:47] i can believe tat [08:49] Tom____ (51b2e7a8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.178.231.168) joined #highaltitude. [08:50] I noticed that about wearing glasses in the last couple of years [08:54] prawnsalad (prawn@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:17e1) left irc: Excess Flood [08:55] prawnsalad (prawn@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:17e1) joined #highaltitude. [09:00] Geoff-G8DHE_ (5d61a0c6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.97.160.198) joined #highaltitude. [09:05] simrun (~simrun@gateway/shell/freebnc/x-mevupfroauouvqar) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [09:06] simrun (~simrun@gateway/shell/freebnc/x-mtlhmukuecsgiyjs) joined #highaltitude. [09:09] Nick change: Matt_soton -> mattbrejza [09:11] jcoxon: also, aging [09:12] I initially thought you meant Google glass [09:12] hehe [09:12] SpeedEvil_, i'm talking 2 months [09:12] :-) [09:12] your body is falling apart man! [09:12] :-) [09:13] I need assymetric prescriptions, with the right eye stronger than the left, for comfortable closeup work. [09:13] solution? [09:13] monocle, close one eye [09:14] go to poundland, buy a dozen pairs of glasses, poke one lens out [09:14] job done. [09:14] g0hww (~g0hww@46-18-104-230.static.vivaciti.org) joined #highaltitude. [09:17] jcoxon (~jcoxon@host86-148-50-47.range86-148.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:19] simrun (~simrun@gateway/shell/freebnc/x-mtlhmukuecsgiyjs) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [09:19] poundland sounds a lot dirtier than what we call the dollar store. [09:21] is M0ZNZ here? [09:22] Received email: Steve Aerospace "Re: [UKHAS] Decoding RTTY tips" [09:22] simrun (~simrun@gateway/shell/freebnc/x-imcwnhgrzwslhmsi) joined #highaltitude. [09:23] http://www.theonion.com/audio/everythings-10000-chain-goes-out-of-business,32079/ [09:23] :-) [09:25] soafee-chan (~quassel@203-206-253-43.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined #highaltitude. [09:26] cuddykid (~acudworth@host-92-28-57-223.as13285.net) joined #highaltitude. [09:26] prawnsalad (prawn@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:17e1) left irc: Excess Flood [09:27] prawnsalad (prawn@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:17e1) joined #highaltitude. [09:28] spacekitteh (~quassel@203-206-253-43.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [09:29] heathkid (~heathkid@unaffiliated/heathkid) left irc: Disconnected by services [09:29] heathkid|2 (~heathkid@unaffiliated/heathkid) joined #highaltitude. 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[09:59] guys you wrote the ublox6 nav mode bytes in ukhas wiki ? [09:59] its wrong [10:03] nosebleedkt: which ones? [10:04] nosebleedkt (~nose@ppp141237128172.access.hol.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [10:07] Nick change: fsphil_ -> fsphil [10:11] nosebleedkt (~nose@ppp141237128172.access.hol.gr) joined #highaltitude. [10:16] nosebleedkt (~nose@ppp141237128172.access.hol.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [10:17] G0CXW (51b2e7a8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.178.231.168) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [10:18] hmm [10:19] mixio updated it this morning [10:19] lz1dev (~rgp@46.47.80.192) joined #highaltitude. [10:19] it is wrong doesn't match the code below [10:19] that's nosebleed's previous nickname [10:20] he's got it wrong [10:22] can't work out where he got his from [10:22] but I just checked it now and his was wrong [10:24] chris_99 (~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929) joined #highaltitude. [10:27] some of the other values might be different depending on the model [10:28] different but not wrong [10:28] probably better to fetch the current values, change just the nav mode, and send them back [10:30] prawnsalad (prawn@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:17e1) left irc: Excess Flood [10:30] malgar (~malgar@adsl-ull-99-17.49-151.net24.it) joined #highaltitude. [10:30] prawnsalad (prawn@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:17e1) joined #highaltitude. [10:35] iain-G4SGX (~iain@87.115.120.189) joined #highaltitude. [10:44] Steffanx (~Steffanx@unaffiliated/steffanx) joined #highaltitude. [11:02] prawnsalad (prawn@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:17e1) left irc: Excess Flood [11:02] nosebleedkt (~nose@ppp141237128172.access.hol.gr) joined #highaltitude. [11:02] Upu, hi [11:02] prawnsalad (prawn@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:17e1) joined #highaltitude. [11:02] prawnsalad (prawn@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:17e1) left irc: Excess Flood [11:02] what's wrong with the ublox nav code? [11:02] hey nosebleedkt [11:03] prawnsalad (prawn@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:17e1) joined #highaltitude. [11:03] it was wrong I'm not sure where you got it [11:03] I decode it directly from u-center with my ulobx6 module [11:03] http://pastebin.com/yMLcPyhr [11:03] yup [11:03] click messages view [11:03] and its NAV-CFG5 [11:03] just double checked it but its in the code below too [11:04] well [11:04] I was at NAV5 menu [11:04] did you pick CFG=NAV5 [11:04] and it printed the bytes i wrote on the wiki [11:04] yes NAV5 [11:04] it doesn't match what we've used for years [11:05] which we know to work [11:05] (Airbone < 1g) + (Auto 2D/3D) [11:05] well maybe for ublox5 [11:05] but ublox6 sends me back those ones [11:06] its not changed for 5 6 or 7 [11:06] http://i.imgur.com/Rdb3fgd.jpg [11:06] damn ! [11:06] i will printscreen mine [11:06] its other bytes! [11:07] back soon but please if you think its wrong lets work out what the difference is [11:07] cheers [11:07] yeah [11:07] :) [11:09] daveake (~daveake@daveake.plus.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:11] anyone had launch with ublox6 ? [11:11] err pretty much every launch for the last 2 years yes [11:12] hmm [11:12] well i dont have much choice :P [11:12] But i will printscreen it just to prove im not crazy :D [11:12] its fairly well documented that particular setting [11:14] well I have documented the codes in http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:falcom_fsa03 [11:14] LazyLeopard (~irc-clien@chocky.demon.co.uk) left irc: Quit: Now QRT [11:14] I used to have hard experience with ucenter [11:14] :D [11:19] nosebleedkt (~nose@ppp141237128172.access.hol.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [11:20] daveake (~Dave@daveake.plus.com) joined #highaltitude. [11:23] nosebleedkt (~nose@ppp141237128172.access.hol.gr) joined #highaltitude. [11:24] Upu, omfg, you are terribly correct [11:24] Upu, http://pastebin.com/R50ABAx2 [11:24] I was looking the 2nd stream [11:25] oh sorry [11:26] Upu, http://imagebin.org/257400 [11:26] according to mine im still correct [11:27] they're both correct [11:27] ? [11:28] the default values for those other settings are probably different for each version of the ublox [11:28] the filters [11:36] G0CXW (51b2e4dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.178.228.221) joined #highaltitude. [11:41] can anyone think how to prevent pitot tubes from freezing up at altitude [11:48] pws (~chatzilla@p4FD16F3C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #highaltitude. [11:49] pws (~chatzilla@p4FD16F3C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:52] put a heater in it? :) [11:54] coil some nichrome around it and wrap it in insulation? [11:54] pws (~chatzilla@p4FD16F3C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #highaltitude. [11:56] That's silly. Just put it inside the payload :p [11:57] nosebleedkt (~nose@ppp141237128172.access.hol.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [11:57] we got some nice results last night, building a coax stub filter to reduce interference from a really strong local transmitter into an rtlsdr stick [11:58] quite crude, but it works :) [12:02] kontor (~chatzilla@78-69-108-141-no158.tbcn.telia.com) joined #highaltitude. [12:06] make it from plutonium 239 [12:06] do I mean 239? [12:07] prawnsalad (prawn@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:17e1) left irc: Excess Flood [12:07] prawnsalad (prawn@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:17e1) joined #highaltitude. [12:16] LWK (~LWK@mjhosting.co.uk) left irc: Excess Flood [12:18] LWK (~LWK@pdpc/supporter/student/lwk) joined #highaltitude. 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[13:16] with occassionally discussions about insurance [13:16] it's a riot reallysign up [13:16] s/reallysign up/really\n sign up/ [13:17] what happened to the plans to split the lists into launch announcments and discussion (not that I have a problem with a single list) [13:18] noidea [13:18] master's degrees i think [13:18] ignore that apostrophe please [13:18] lz1dev (~rgp@46.47.80.192) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [13:19] Upu: so [13:19] https://www.dropbox.com/s/tcz65v674e517cc/2013-05-12%2009.32.56.jpg [13:19] I was assuming life and normal HAB activities had got in the way [13:19] that's now gone into the fridge for this eve [13:19] that's it [13:19] thats a chicken alright [13:19] Nick change: mfa298_ -> mfa298 [13:20] no butter or oil or anything [13:20] I look forward to seeing the result [13:20] i look forward to eating it [13:23] have you tried guinea fowl eroomde ? [13:23] yes, thogh not for ages [13:23] i am going to roast one the simple-but-hot way next [13:25] mfa298: yeah sorry, kinda busy atm [13:25] it's on the todo list [13:25] :) [13:25] degrees, getting in the way of everything [13:25] we have one today - has a better flavour than chicken but not gamey [13:25] sounds perfect [13:25] smaller though right? [13:26] like, great for 2 but a push for 4? [13:27] Nick change: Elwell_ -> Elwell [13:27] yes similar, and as you say slightly less meat so not for four [13:27] i've a couple of californians coming to stay shortly [13:27] chicken is for them [13:28] ut will def try guinea fowl this week then [13:28] how you do it sounds good - I mentioned it to mrs10 but she is sticking with the way she cooks it for now [13:29] i thunk unless i'm doing the pot roast with 40 cloves and lots of olive oil, i'm gonna do it this way from now on [13:29] i'm totally converted :) [13:30] I'll have a go at that soon I think [13:31] jonsowman: I'm not to worried about it. Just remembered that it was a planned change (and seemed to have a few supporters - I'm happy with the single list) [13:31] okay np [13:31] spacekitteh (~quassel@203-206-253-43.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined #highaltitude. [13:31] spacekitteh (~quassel@203-206-253-43.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: Changing host [13:31] spacekitteh (~quassel@unaffiliated/traumapony) joined #highaltitude. 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[13:59] the biggest problem was that when I was all ready to hit go [13:59] and the new list was all set up [13:59] and everything [13:59] I found out I'd have to invite people to the new list ten at a time [13:59] inevitable fatigue set in before that could be accomplished [13:59] to borrow a phrase [13:59] (thanks bode) [14:00] he lost the plot [14:00] sounds like a good excuse - although I can imagine it might be worse now with the extra people that have probably joined the list now [14:00] I think there are ways to make it easier, but I also thought it might be worth further consideration [14:01] I lost some confidence in the idea of one list for launch announcements and one list for everything else to some extent [14:01] idk [14:01] daveake (~Dave@daveake.plus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [14:02] most of the time the single list has so little on it it hardly seems worth having two lists. [14:03] true, though there may be an element of self censorchip in that regard [14:03] yes - but I feel there might be more to say if there was space for saying it [14:03] because it's sort of nominally for luanch announcements and not so much rag chewing that will make hams who just want to track unsubscribe [14:03] I wonder if part of the issue could be solved by having an easily viewable web version of the ical feed (and a way to have that populated reasonably easily a week or two before a planned launch) [14:04] i find irc quite annoying for explaining non-trivial things [14:04] mfa298: I think email announcements are a must [14:04] as an option [14:04] but it might be nice to have something that sends the email announcement at the same time as setting up the entry in the calendar [14:04] yes, you often want more than a time and place in a launch announcement [14:04] (so long as it had a big field for additional notes etc) [14:04] you want to introduce your project or explain some interesting bits and bobs [14:05] eroomde: yea, irc is fine for chitchat but [14:05] long form discussion less so [14:05] I don't know if a mailing list is the solution [14:05] or a forum perhaps [14:05] maybe, I'm just wondering if an easily viewable calendar /rss feed would solve announcments for most people, technically that's likely to be better but not everyone likes it [14:05] hate forums [14:05] Usenet [14:05] http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ma75srb6CQ1qhn549.jpg [14:06] mfa298: maybe. it shouldn't be hard to make an easily viewable calendar online [14:06] eroomde: I was looking at http://discourse.org/ a while back [14:06] made by the people who did stack exchange etc [14:07] http://www.discourse.org/about/ [14:07] starts by pointing out how terrible forums are [14:07] I was thinking for the people that just want launch announcments they seem to generally want time, date, location, frequency and maybe a link to the project site (Wasn't there someone recently asking if things could be in a standard format) [14:08] there is something like that but I guess it could be improved too [14:09] I suppose the ideal might be to have one way of entering the information and then have it published in a variety of ways (ics, rss, email etc.) [14:10] maybe [14:10] there are a few issues here. one is having somewhere to have good discussions and the other is having easy launch announcements for people to check [14:10] you're right - there is a better solution for the launch announcements [14:10] twitter? [14:10] hah [14:10] maybe [14:11] the bat signal [14:11] but with the ukhas logo [14:11] I think maybe we could improve the flight doc generator to include some more freeform text fields [14:11] then have a short URL to it [14:11] I'm just wondering if launch announcments should ever be replied to or if it could just be a single shot email (may not need a list that way, replies could be to the discussion list) [14:11] APRS with the widest possible path settings [14:11] bat signal is a great idea [14:11] like http://habitat.habhub.org/flight/1234 [14:11] which has a nicely formatted descripton of the whole flight [14:11] then that can be linked to in automatic emails or the calendar or a web page feed thing [14:11] and an rss feed I guess [14:12] an airborne disease that makes you inclined to listen to 70cm [14:13] train wild wolves to howl frequency information [14:13] crop circles [14:13] encode the frequency information in the disease's genome [14:13] C-x M-c M-butterfly [14:14] put a message in the radio 4 news announcer's headlines script [14:14] smoke signals [14:14] wouldn;t work in the north [14:14] Guest49057 (~NickSF@2.223.42.157) joined #highaltitude. [14:15] S_Mark (~S_Mark@212-139-245-41.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined #highaltitude. [14:17] eroomde: better to encode it in the pips [14:18] chrisstubbs (~chrisstub@host86-130-221-70.range86-130.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [14:18] I was starting to wonder if you could encode it into the archers theme. or you could make EastEnders useful by encoding it into that theme tune. [14:19] jcoxon (~jcoxon@host86-148-50-47.range86-148.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: This computer has gone to sleep [14:19] at least the archers started with an actual purpose. [14:19] wow, I'm tempted to order from amazon just to see if they're postage info is correct: "Order in the next 42 minutes and get it by Monday, May 13." [14:20] * 2014 [14:21] mfa298: that's tomorrow, right? why wouldn't it be correct? [14:21] lz1dev (~rgp@46.47.80.192) joined #highaltitude. [14:21] I don't know of many couriers that collect on a sunday [14:22] a fair few do these days [14:22] good business in it apparently [14:22] anyone know any linux tools for mucking with PDFs? [14:22] I want to interleave pages from two documents [14:23] and reverse the page order in one [14:24] Nick change: nick____ -> nick_ [14:24] I wonder if a2ps or mpage could do it (assuming mpage is what I'm thinking of from all those years ago) [14:24] adobe acrobat if it has linux version [14:24] daveake (~Dave@daveake.plus.com) joined #highaltitude. [14:24] G0CXW (51b2e4dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.178.228.221) joined #highaltitude. [14:24] 14:18 < mfa298> I was starting to wonder if you could encode it into the archers theme. [14:25] then no one would hear it [14:25] you might also be able to do something clever with imagemagik or gd [14:25] does anyone actually like the archers? [14:26] pdftk [14:26] pdftk A=even.pdf B=odd.pdf shuffle A Bend-1 output collated.pdf [14:26] niiiiice [14:27] inkscape [14:27] on nvm [14:30] i was too slow [14:30] yes pdftk [14:31] very good for generating documentation for large organisations [14:31] you do the proper consise report in latex (as is Correct). that contains all the information that should be needed [14:31] then you use pdftk to splice 4000 pages onto the end in appendices of what the customer mistakenly things they Definitely Need [14:32] thinks* [14:33] and it's all scripted so you need never be infected by their silliness [14:34] including of course the holy Bible and the Koran in the appendices, because those are probably of more use. [14:36] all your source code [14:37] typeset [14:37] bs standards [14:37] in both senses of the acronym [14:37] a copy of the propsal [14:37] maybe some autogenerated diagrams from the source code [14:38] nooooo [14:38] not those ;( [14:38] no one will ever read it [14:38] but that's by the buy [14:39] also they will want 3 identical paper copies [14:39] and then they will complain that they don;t seem to be able to find good subcontractors and instead just get people like astrium [14:39] who will charge £2M to get the stationary ready to begin the contract [14:40] Guest49057 (~NickSF@2.223.42.157) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [14:41] 'blue rather than black biros eh? that'll be 8 weeks for us to redraft a contractual change notice' [14:41] you don't sound at all bitter [14:42] no [14:47] oh well, have some 4f1 notes [14:47] gb73d (gb73d@81-178-191-21.dsl.pipex.com) joined #highaltitude. 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[15:57] SpeedEvil (~quassel@tor/regular/SpeedEvil) joined #highaltitude. [15:58] simrun (~simrun@gateway/shell/freebnc/x-xgifgswlnrgwmmrl) joined #highaltitude. [16:04] K9JKM (~chatzilla@c-67-184-171-11.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined #highaltitude. [16:05] S_Mark (~S_Mark@212-139-245-41.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:48] pws (~chatzilla@p4FD16F3C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:07] Guest49057 (~NickSF@2.223.42.157) joined #highaltitude. [17:09] This is why I hate the raspberry pi: with one microusb cable it boots up fine and works perfectly. With another it appears to boot perfectly to the login screen, but he keyboard dosent work [17:10] Maybe you should hate the rpi but your power supply/cable :P [17:10] *shouldnt [17:10] true :P [17:11] I tried 2 different keyboards in every configuration of hub/usb port too [17:11] power seems to be an issue on them. Although I think the first revision was the worst. [17:11] Yeah I have the first [17:12] just seemed an odd problem becuase it booted fine anyway [17:12] and the keyboard was on a powered hub, so even if it was a high resistance cable it didnt have to power that [17:12] mine seem to be better with a powered usb hub, for usb devices. I've had all sorts of issues with stuff plugged into it directly [17:13] I'm thinking of getting a new one hoping the power issues might be better (plus the extra ram would be nice) [17:13] On a brighter note, I can confirm the NEO6's built in USB client functionality works out the the box with the pi [17:13] :) [17:15] and the eyetoy works with fswebcam! at last! [17:15] I'm having problems getting my python script to run properly on boot up (pi) [17:16] serial for some reason just likes to stop working after a few seconds [17:19] <3 quality http://imgur.com/Y3tjDmH [17:20] it's a momentous occasion when you receive your first SSDV image! [17:21] cuddykid, how do you go about starting it? does the pi auto log in first? [17:21] I'm popping the command to run the python script in rc.local [17:21] it's running it, but not properly [17:21] and is proving a nightmare to debug [17:22] is your stuff running as root or does it drop privs (I'm just wondering if there might be permission errors) [17:22] I've also tried putting it in the crontab using "@reboot" or restart, can't remember [17:22] mfa298: that was my initial thought - I'm running it as root and still having problems - also chmod'd all the various directories it uses and still not working properly [17:23] best debug tool I found for writing scripts it getting it to log to syslog. [17:23] takes, save and processes images fine but doesn't output it over serial (using PySerial) [17:23] yep [17:24] I was wondering if there might be permission issues on the serial port. but if it's running as root that shouldn't be an issue [17:24] does it run ok when you launch it from the command line? [17:24] daveake: did you run into any problems with running your stuff on startup? (If you used PySerial) [17:24] mfa298: I'm getting a first few debug lines via serial, then doesn't work [17:25] steve_____: yep, works just as expected when I launch it [17:25] perhaps its a startup order [17:25] thing [17:25] seems as though it's buffering everything up but not sending - once I launch the program (so now 2 instances running) it suddenly spews everything stored out [17:26] why not put a long pause at the beginning of the script to test [17:26] good idea - I'll try that later [17:26] Lunar_Lander__ (~gd-compto@p5488B0A4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #highaltitude. [17:26] hello [17:27] what is the OS you are using? [17:27] I'm also wondering if the lack of having a stdin, stdout, stderr device could cause issues (although I don't have python experience to know if that would cause it isues) [17:27] steve_____: raspbian [17:28] cuddykid, are you using the serial port on the header? [17:28] yeah [17:28] also are you using any environment that is not set correctly when the script executes [17:28] It gives you a login print and loads of debug crap on boot, which i guess you have disabled? [17:28] maybe somthing is still hogging the serial port at boot [17:29] steves delay idea could be worth a go before you open the serial port [17:29] I get "rebooting pi" or something along those lines from it, but that's it [17:29] then often I get the first few debug lines over serial, then all silent [17:30] I think there are a few things that try to output to serial so they migt need to be disabled. [17:31] My brother is sending me a BMP-085 board, how useful would it be for HAB? It goes down to 300 hPa, or about 9 km according to wolfram alpha [17:32] Steffanx (~Steffanx@unaffiliated/steffanx) left irc: Quit: &. [17:40] bertrik, it works down to about 10 mbar when I chamber tested it [17:40] the problem is, if you get to a pressure that is really low [17:40] I don't remember the value but I think it is inaccessible to balloons, then the pressure will jump back to 200000 pascals [17:41] Lunar_Lander__: ok thanks, I was just reading this https://www.sparkfun.com/tutorials/185 where they still get readings above 9 km, I just wonder how accurate they still are [17:41] Could the jumping back be some kind of numerical overflow? [17:44] leo (5305cd6d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.5.205.109) joined #highaltitude. [17:46] I think somone said that here last week [17:46] leo (5305cd6d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.5.205.109) left irc: Client Quit [17:46] SP9UOB_Tom said it in fact [17:46] bertrik, I did a curve of the error for the measurement range I could achieve, the error follows about an exponential decay of the 2nd order [17:47] the error is about 500 Pascals at the lowest pressures in the test [17:47] so around 30 km [17:47] BrainDamage (~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-234-180.clienti.tiscali.it) joined #highaltitude. [17:48] BrainDamage (~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-234-180.clienti.tiscali.it) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:49] Guest49057 (~NickSF@2.223.42.157) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [17:49] BrainDamage (~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-234-180.clienti.tiscali.it) joined #highaltitude. [17:49] bertrik, http://s.gullipics.com/image/9/7/0/5yvere-kp6kbt-nwld/Bildschirmfotovom20130512194819.png [17:50] nice [17:51] so this is the error of the BMP-085 vs. some kind of calibrated pressure sensor? [17:52] yes, the pressure sensor of the vacuum pump [17:53] SpikeUK (6d9bfc47@pdpc/supporter/monthlybyte/spikeuk) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [17:56] bertrik, i.e. that plot gives you the error for a certain pressure indication of the BMP085 [17:56] the pressure is on the x-axis [17:56] the difference between BMP085 and pump sensor is on the y-axis [17:56] so you can read what you need to substract from your reading [17:57] Lunar_Lander__, was the temperature constant on your vacuum test? [17:58] yes [17:59] Nick change: ghoti_ -> ghoti [17:59] jcoxon (~jcoxon@host86-148-50-47.range86-148.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:00] Lunar_Lander__: but, wouldn't you have to create this curve for each specific sensor? [18:01] So I'm worried that curve might not apply for my particular BMP-085 [18:01] that is true [18:01] but it is a rough idea [18:02] Radim's STS-1 flew the BMP085 along with a proper meteosonde, a few graphs with comparison - http://stsproject.net/?p=368 [18:03] x-f: interesting [18:03] LazyLeopard (~irc-clien@chocky.demon.co.uk) joined #highaltitude. [18:04] still pretty good up to 15 km, without any correction [18:04] didn't know their balloon was photographed from the ground while it was at 33 km altitude :) - http://stsproject.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/209241_4248430621485_754736898_o.jpg [18:09] Guest49057 (~NickSF@2.223.42.157) joined #highaltitude. [18:10] K9JKM (~chatzilla@c-67-184-171-11.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: I'm getting tired of holding my nose in the election booth [18:12] someone got a picture of a burst [18:20] G0CXW (51b2e4dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.178.228.221) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [18:35] codrBlu (~codrBlu@cpe-184-57-3-176.columbus.res.rr.com) joined #highaltitude. [18:55] http://vimeo.com/65475425# [18:55] Upu, got a short question [18:56] 5mm? [19:01] fsphil lol [19:09] perhaps it's in a really tiny font [19:11] xD [19:15] I wanted to know if it is OK to use the product photo of the sarantel GPS from his site in my report [19:18] Action: fsphil measures [19:18] S_Mark (~S_Mark@212-139-245-41.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined #highaltitude. [19:18] hi S_Mark [19:18] on my screen that's about 250mm x 15mm [19:19] Hello Lunar [19:20] codrBlu (~codrBlu@cpe-184-57-3-176.columbus.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: codrBlu [19:22] steve_____ (~steve@cpc2-cbly1-0-0-cust515.6-2.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: steve_____ [19:23] S_Mark (~S_Mark@212-139-245-41.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [19:29] leon (5305cd6d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.5.205.109) joined #highaltitude. [19:29] Nick change: leon -> Guest27282 [19:29] S_Mark (~S_Mark@212-139-245-41.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined #highaltitude. [19:30] S_Mark saw your photo of the temp. sensors earlier [19:30] hows it going? [19:33] Ah yeah all good, got them working thanks [19:33] Need to integrate now [19:33] all addressable off one pin which is nice [19:33] neat [19:34] whats up with your arduinous usb cable in that pic btw? [19:35] haha just had a good excuse for not commenting my code, the keyboard I was using didnt have a # key [19:35] how do you mean [19:36] Oh that silver thing [19:36] No its like heatshinked/taped onto the uno [19:37] Ahh, that is just electrical tape [19:37] preventing short [19:37] s [19:37] which ones do you use? [19:37] Oh! from the perspective it looked like you removed the USB plug and soldered the cable striaght onto the board then heatshrinked it [19:38] reflection of the pcb on the usb port got me :P [19:38] ah lol [19:45] Nick change: zarya_ -> zarya [19:48] has anyone heard of the idea of an orbital airship? [19:51] steve_____ (~steve@cpc2-cbly1-0-0-cust515.6-2.cable.virginmedia.com) joined #highaltitude. 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[20:11] no problems Lunar_Lander use them as needed [20:12] https://twitter.com/stratodean [20:12] ah is that a ds18 sensor S_Mark [20:12] yes [20:12] Only just started looking it it toda [20:12] y [20:13] Guest49057 (~NickSF@2.223.42.157) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [20:13] yea [20:13] I think these need their 4.7k pullups though [20:14] Yeah only one though [20:14] yea [20:14] don't spose anyones used one of those with a PIC per chance? [20:14] protect them from the sun :) [20:19] lz1dev (~rgp@46.47.80.192) joined #highaltitude. [20:22] daveake (~Dave@daveake.plus.com) joined #highaltitude. [20:25] Upu- (~Upu@2a00:14f0:e028:0:544e:c31e:57f3:c250) joined #highaltitude. [20:25] steve_____ (~steve@cpc2-cbly1-0-0-cust515.6-2.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: steve_____ [20:25] Today I went to the local aerodrome and made a shocking discovery [20:26] it turns out pilots actually enjoy flying into balloons: http://flic.kr/p/eiHhX1 [20:27] Upu (~Upu@2a00:14f0:e028:0:544e:c31e:57f3:c250) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [20:28] oh [20:28] yeah [20:29] when i was working on my pilots license my flight instructor told me how much he enjoys finding balloons, chasing them down and popping them [20:29] it's a thing [20:29] small balloons I suppose [20:30] yeah these stunt planes were tiny [20:30] "the turbulents" the display team was called [20:30] haha interesting piccy [20:34] they had some 1/3 scale RC planes there too [20:34] WW1 planes at scale speed proved for a boring display though :P [20:41] http://zenpencils.com/comic/106-chris-hadfield-an-astronauts-advice/ [20:45] zenpencils rocks! [20:45] I got the one about feynman not knowing is more interesting than guessing or so in the uni office :) [20:46] that sentence doesn't parse well [20:47] cuddykid (~acudworth@host-92-28-57-223.as13285.net) left irc: Quit: cuddykid [20:54] yea [20:54] The story of Feynman is on BBC2 in the UK right now! [20:56] cool! [20:56] what's the title of the show? [20:56] no ordinary genius? [20:57] The Fantastic Mr Feynman [20:57] thanks :) [20:57] np [20:58] its unfortunate he's dead [20:58] i really wish i could have met him [20:58] yea [20:58] yea it's 25 years that he is dead now [20:58] although, meeting his sister was mind blowing [20:58] he died like in Feb. 88 [20:58] she talks and looks like him [20:58] iain-G4SGX (~iain@87.115.120.189) joined #highaltitude. [20:58] I was born Dec. 89 [20:58] arko, cool does she still live and work? [20:58] She is on the prog [20:58] yeah [20:59] she works at jpl [20:59] awesome [20:59] what does she do? [20:59] climate research [20:59] rbckman (~rob@85-156-209-186.elisa-mobile.fi) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:59] i visited her once [20:59] cool [20:59] she gave me her paper and we talked about it and feynman [20:59] yeah [21:00] xD his radio show for her when she was 3 [21:00] XD [21:00] cuddykid (~acudworth@host-92-28-57-223.as13285.net) joined #highaltitude. [21:01] http://i.imgur.com/DCyNf.jpg [21:01] there we go [21:01] that took a bit to find [21:02] she's tiny [21:02] cool! [21:02] what does she think about stratosphere balloons? [21:02] WOW if you look at her face closely [21:02] yeah [21:02] no doubt [21:02] xD [21:02] same exact accent [21:03] it was so weird [21:03] yeah [21:03] what does she think about stratosphere balloons? [21:04] dunno [21:04] never asked [21:04] this was 3 years ago [21:05] Hiena (~boreger@81.93.195.181.datatrans.hu) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:06] oh [21:06] is she still there? [21:06] yes [21:08] cool! 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[22:01] http://www.ebay.com/itm/MINI-FM-DAB-DVB-T-SDR-Dongle-STICK-RTL2832U-R820T-Antenna-for-LINUX-/230979961206?pt=US_Video_Capture_TV_Tuner_Cards&hash=item35c77a8176 - MINI FM+DAB+DVB-T+SDR Dongle STICK RTL2832U+R820T Antenna for LINUX - newly listed = $14,99 (They upped the price, new seller) [22:02] did you ever get your preamp jarod ? [22:02] codrBlu (~codrBlu@cpe-184-57-3-176.columbus.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: codrBlu [22:03] They called it the MINI .... np for introducing it :D [22:03] Upu- yup .... it worked way too well.... the rtlsdr mini requires no lna [22:04] which amp was it ? [22:04] Because I made this : http://imgur.com/a/yyfXV [22:04] which has a SAW in too [22:15] Nick change: Arbition_ -> Arbition [22:19] he got two, one has been returned.... its wideband, but works way too well..... i just dont have any low signals it can work with [22:21] Upu-: Oh, a 1090 version ? 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