[00:00] XD [00:00] Damn, that 2m/70cm antenna wont pick up any ADSB data :P [00:09] slothearn (~Christine@pool-98-111-121-226.hrbgpa.fios.verizon.net) joined #highaltitude. [00:10] HixPad (~Hix-pad@host86-135-212-187.range86-135.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [00:11] PaulCDR (5e0ea94c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.14.169.76) left irc: Quit: Page closed [00:12] HixPad (~Hix-pad@87.194.200.92) joined #highaltitude. [00:17] Is there any open source adsb stuff out there? [00:17] theres open source ADS-B demodulators [00:17] and i think stuff to give you a google earth view [00:17] ADS-B has been all the rage amongst people with RTL-SDRs [00:18] cuddykid (~acudworth@cpc2-basf8-2-0-cust23.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: cuddykid [00:26] Last time I looked, and it was a good few years back, it was expensive [00:26] Action: HixPad searched RTL-SDRs [00:27] the cheap SDRs that people have been using recently [00:27] they can receive ADS-V [00:27] ADS-B* [00:30] So dongles can pick it up with a correct antenna [00:39] Hix (~Hix@87.194.200.92) joined #highaltitude. [00:42] chrisstubbs (chrisstubb@host86-160-131-109.range86-160.btcentralplus.com) left irc: [00:45] jevin (~jevin@72.12.217.220) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [00:48] mattbrejza: are you sure with the 2.54mm/0.1" for the 50 Ohm track? It doesn't fit [00:49] if you do the calcs it is, but yea in practise its whatever you can fit [00:49] also its less for 0.8mm board [00:49] Hix (~Hix@87.194.200.92) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:49] Hix (~Hix@87.194.200.92) joined #highaltitude. [00:50] bugger, dropped out [00:50] 00:48:44 < Hix> mattbrejza: are you sure with the 2.54mm/0.1" for the 50 Ohm track? It doesn't fit [00:50] 00:49:07 < mattbrejza> if you do the calcs it is, but yea in practise its whatever you can fit [00:50] 00:49:19 < mattbrejza> also its less for 0.8mm board [00:50] ok i'll narrow it down, 2.54 was fouling SMA land [00:51] i assume you have a gnd plane under this? [00:51] jevin (~jevin@72.12.217.220) joined #highaltitude. [00:51] jevin (~jevin@72.12.217.220) left irc: Excess Flood [00:52] 1.9304 has it filled to the brim [00:52] also moving your ntx2 to the left a bit might help [00:52] also rounded rather than angled corners [00:52] btw all of this will probably make no noticeable difference [00:56] Laurenceb_ (~Laurence@host86-135-134-44.range86-135.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [00:56] mattbrejza: done did http://i.imgur.com/fWdRBYO.png [00:57] yep looks better :) [00:57] cheers :)_ [00:57] did you intend to bend the ntx2 over? [00:57] oh, i have spaghetti coming out of my mouth [00:58] bend? "moving your ntx2 to the left a bit might help" [00:58] after you solder will it still be standing up? [00:58] or bent back [00:59] oh, yeah, the pins were shot so it nw has headers on it instead [00:59] either way, the ntx2 might be a bit close to the sma, as the plug is a bit wider than the footprint of the socket [00:59] is the reason for bending it thermal? 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[01:01] well depends on your case [01:01] either way the sma should probably be moved down a bit [01:01] oh, it's not an issue, there'll be GoPro and camera in there [01:01] ok [01:03] it's gone a little further south http://i.imgur.com/MY7nPJJ.png [01:03] as much as it can on a 50 x 50 board :) [01:09] the alternative is to use the edge mount sma connectors [01:09] already bought the hardware now [01:09] ah [01:17] Received email: gonzo_ "Re: [UKHAS] BONZO4 Launch Announcement - Sun 17th February - Dorset [01:18] bertrik (~quassel@rockbox/developer/bertrik) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [01:44] night peeps [01:45] Received email: Matthew Brejza "[UKHAS] Android modem and tracking app" [01:46] sooon very soon, i shall make one of these http://www.unmannedgroup.com/ftp/gfx_ct450/ct_450_gcs.png [01:47] got the pelican case and switches and stuff [01:47] no i need to find some nice plastic or metal to laser cut [01:47] now* [01:51] HixPad (~Hix-pad@87.194.200.92) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [01:53] Hix (~Hix@87.194.200.92) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [01:53] HixServer (~Hix@87.194.200.92) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [01:53] Administrator__ (~Hix@87.194.200.92) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [02:03] Lunar_Lander (~gd-compto@p54889544.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Verlassend [02:05] BrainDamage (~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-94-36-255-43.clienti.tiscali.it) left irc: Quit: Leaving. 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[07:34] Administrator__ (~Hix@87.194.200.92) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:58] daveake (~Dave@daveake.plus.com) joined #highaltitude. [08:06] morning [08:07] looking great weather for a pico here, no clouds in sight! [08:07] good moaning [08:07] nice here too [08:07] though bit nippy [08:09] LazyLeopard (~irc-clien@chocky.demon.co.uk) joined #highaltitude. [08:10] NickSF (~NickSF@151.227.80.172) joined #highaltitude. [08:18] morning [08:18] morning arko [08:24] xup [08:26] lz1dev (~lz1dev@46.47.80.192) joined #highaltitude. [08:26] g0hww (~g0hww@46-18-104-230.static.vivaciti.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [08:27] number10 (569a0f98@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.154.15.152) joined #highaltitude. [08:28] sv9qct (4e577146@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.87.113.70) joined #highaltitude. [08:32] morning [08:32] also confirming looking pico friendly [08:33] g0hww (~g0hww@46-18-104-230.static.vivaciti.org) joined #highaltitude. [08:33] sadly predictions aren't [08:33] http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hysplitout/19648_trj001.gif [08:34] thats a shame nice still day [08:35] allthough it would give fsphil something to track [08:47] S_Mark (S_Mark@212-139-123-213.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined #highaltitude. [08:52] SP9UOB_Tom (~verox@matrix.verox.pl) joined #highaltitude. [08:52] hi all [08:52] morning [08:53] morning UPU. my 1.8V design running 19 hours - battery voltage drop 0.11 V :-) [08:53] a bit more left in that then :) [08:53] $$$$$$SP9UOB,3315,08:53:22,5016.65798,01839.28596,252,23,24,7,139,4*7334 [08:53] knock dl-fldigi into offline mode [08:54] 1.39V [08:54] yup sorry [08:55] nps [08:56] im launching my UOBalloon in sunday [08:56] 24.02 [08:56] Carmela_ (~Carmela_@host227-136-dynamic.49-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #highaltitude. [08:57] hello [08:58] hello [09:04] think there will be a few going up next weekend [09:04] morning Carmela_ [09:07] hello to you [09:12] Helios_STOLEN (~HeliosFA@requiem.soton.gia-lan.co.uk) joined #highaltitude. [09:12] M0NSA (~HeliosFA@requiem.soton.gia-lan.co.uk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:27] NickSF (~NickSF@151.227.80.172) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [09:32] possible error in my flight doc. callsign should be BONZO4 [09:33] anyone able to ammend? [09:38] you need to make a new one, and have it approved [09:38] fsphil: hah, i just noticed you commented on Mike Browns tweet [09:39] our boss had one of those at a birthday party [09:39] we called it Eddy. Edible-Eddy [09:42] to be honest I couldn't eat any of it. I really like bacon and pork, but not if I know it personally [09:46] Yeah [09:46] Same [09:46] Seeing the head especially [09:49] http://i.imgur.com/AP8QYtW.jpg [09:49] stupid HF tricks [09:50] what's that on the roof? [09:51] a flouro tube [09:52] ah, makes sense now. I thought it was metalic [09:52] thought the reflection was from behind the camera [09:53] Babs (b0fb6516@gateway/web/freenode/ip.176.251.101.22) joined #highaltitude. [09:54] GMT (GMT@cpc15-haye15-2-0-cust426.17-4.cable.virginmedia.com) joined #highaltitude. [09:54] Darkside nice pic :) [09:54] CHRISG7OGX (5e0bce34@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.11.206.52) joined #highaltitude. [09:59] THINK I CAN HEAR SOMETHING ON 434.647 [09:59] Horrible feeling ive goosed the ublox desoldering it from the breakout, didn't a=want to come off no matter how much wick i used http://i.imgur.com/0FHNLNz.jpg [10:00] eep [10:00] couple of pads look like theyve gone [10:00] wait, you took a screenshot of the photoviewer? [10:00] 7mb image [10:00] quicker [10:01] ah, sneaky [10:01] CHRISG7OGX: (caps) .. there's nothing flying atm [10:01] prt scrn ctrl v imgur speedy speedy [10:01] at least I don't believe so [10:01] Chris26CT895 (52085acd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.8.90.205) joined #highaltitude. [10:02] ok i'm excited testing on the ground? [10:02] it's possible [10:03] Action: fsphil is on standby if it floats [10:05] standing by here - breakfast [10:05] good thinking [10:05] cheese on toast time [10:05] installing xubuntu onto VM for an hourly install #worldofpaincomingup [10:05] with HP fsphil ? [10:05] someone mentioned trying it on the Pi [10:05] I'll try it on one Hix [10:06] HP would probably short it, ok on pies though :) [10:06] just a bit on the side for dipping [10:06] NigeyS (~nigel-win@cpc5-cdif14-2-0-cust507.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com) joined #highaltitude. [10:06] lies! HP makes everything better [10:06] not Pi [10:07] kpiman (1f363183@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.54.49.131) joined #highaltitude. [10:08] so far this morning: rooted replacement driod, simunlocked. built TinyISP programmer, desoldered [and probably buggered] uBLox, set up VM with Xubuntu [10:09] all by 10:00, might be something to do with waking up at 06:00 and not being able to get back to sleep [10:10] jcoxon (~jcoxon@212.183.140.32) joined #highaltitude. [10:10] chrisstubbs (chrisstubb@host86-173-240-238.range86-173.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [10:10] Good day dir [10:11] Oops [10:11] good day for a Pico [10:11] morning James [10:12] Night for me. Just leaving work [10:12] ah night shift :/ [10:12] Bbl [10:12] jcoxon (~jcoxon@212.183.140.32) left irc: Client Quit [10:12] fsphil ... http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hysplitout/13664_trj001.gif [10:12] get ya wellies on if this floats lol [10:13] gonzo_mob (~gonzo_mob@31.91.153.201) joined #highaltitude. [10:14] fsphil don't need no wellies - he walks on water! [10:15] lol [10:21] bertrik (~quassel@rockbox/developer/bertrik) joined #highaltitude. [10:29] cheese on toast beats fruit n fibre ;@{ [10:29] by an order of magnitude! [10:30] yurp [10:32] any updates on bonzo4? [10:33] not yet, think he's on route to launch site. [10:33] I've not heard anything tuning around the dial yet. [10:34] ah okay [10:34] Bonzo is on! [10:35] Geoff-G8DHE_ (5d61a0c6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.97.160.198) joined #highaltitude. [10:35] I can hear rtty [10:35] around 434.646 [10:35] freq? [10:36] thats what i heard earlier [10:36] with a sort of tinkering noise?? [10:37] getting stronger now [10:38] number10 (569a0f98@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.154.15.152) left irc: Quit: Page closed [10:38] mmmm that was good [10:39] Why can't I see Bonzo4 on the spacenear tracker map? [10:39] Babs (b0fb6516@gateway/web/freenode/ip.176.251.101.22) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [10:39] I think the autoconfigure flight doc is wrong [10:39] it is [10:40] I've not yet had a good decode since choosing the right documemt from the testing list :( [10:40] I've had a few [10:40] you probably need to adjust the shift [10:40] $$BONZO4,491,10:40:02,+5045.18817,-00158.43240,394.5,0632*4F0F [10:41] got it weak here on white stick [10:42] can anyone approve a flight doc? [10:42] 057787021beeda57cb655ea522cb21b5 [10:42] its on the tracker now [10:42] wow, I think I got my first data when it was around 230m - but I do have a good location for this one. [10:42] thanks [10:43] Just coming up above my horizon as well [10:43] Think it will be a while till I RX that :) [10:43] woo [10:43] heh [10:43] still closer to you than me :) [10:43] phil its headed right for you :P [10:43] muhaha [10:44] http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hysplitout/11667_trj001.gif [10:44] stops off over dublin to hah [10:44] it'll pass about 20km south west of here [10:44] ping craag [10:44] if it's descending near here I'll head out [10:44] :D ! [10:45] well something on 434646 at least [10:45] it'll definitely need to float though [10:45] aimm for cardiff, hit northern ireland.. not bad...lol [10:46] the higher floats are further west [10:47] Ah yes it is [10:47] now twice as high as the 1st attempt went! [10:47] 1.2m/s, nice [10:48] gonzo_ did you do the dual balloon with the tube between then ? [10:48] oh 1km .. nice [10:48] shift about 290? [10:48] anyone trying the android decoder? [10:49] about 300 yep [10:49] i will as soon as i can find a splitter cable for the tablet [10:49] weeak and broken here [10:49] upp, I did, but it didn't go as planned, so cut it [10:49] ok [10:50] Will explain in the debrief [10:50] I'm still in the default 300 shift but it's a nice strong signal [10:50] Lunar_Lander (~gd-compto@p5488A1CF.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #highaltitude. [10:51] I could get most of a decode with the preamp off! [10:51] hello [10:51] What sort of aerial does it have ? [10:51] fsphil: not tried the android yet, but thinking I might (even if just trying speaker -> mic) [10:51] got it loaded but don't have a map yet [10:52] might be worth having a map-less mode mattbrejza [10:52] and a shortcut to that url to download them from [10:55] Geoff-G8DHE_ it's a sleeve dipole, running up the balloon string [10:55] OZ1SKY_Brian (~Brian@x1-6-20-4e-7f-c8-44-7a.k599.webspeed.dk) joined #highaltitude. [10:55] so hopefully if one balloon splits and it comes down, the antenna will still be above ground [10:55] assiste with recovery [10:55] Tks its fading from time to time here is all. [10:56] Action: fsphil accidently downloads the map for Albania [10:56] lol [10:57] nice smooth ascent rate [10:57] it's making good progress. [10:57] nice [10:57] no clouds there today? [10:57] there was 20gm of free lift [10:57] Hix_ (~Hix@87.194.200.92) joined #highaltitude. [10:57] Hix_ (~Hix@87.194.200.92) left irc: Client Quit [10:57] is bonzo's power output less than usual? [10:57] Good luck with the flight Julian [10:58] probably a null in your antenna CHRISG7OGX [10:58] I find the power levels vary a lot as they ascent [10:58] ascend [10:58] nope, should be plenty [10:58] yes still red..Grrrr [10:58] the ant is an experiment [10:58] ooh [10:59] an upwards pointing dipole [10:59] but should be ok [10:59] If its sleeve it will probably have a slight angle on it up or down depending on orientation [10:59] good S7 here [11:00] that may explain while some trackers had excellent sigs and others not too far away had weak sigs? [11:00] some antennas are better than others [11:00] that's a poss. The ant is the usual ground based orientation [11:00] some radios put out a bit more power than others [11:01] ie, driven elee=met upwards [11:01] this one os possibly on the upper limit of the spec [11:01] weakening here now [11:01] whats the predicted path? [11:02] junderwood (~John@host86-180-50-20.range86-180.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [11:02] towards cardiff [11:02] from Nigeys.... http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hysplitout/11667_trj001.gif [11:02] and if it drops near enough for NigeyS to recover, he's going to fly it back to me next weekend [11:03] ah going up to phil i see [11:03] chrisstubbs's guide to hourly install, will it work on xubuntu? [11:03] Action: fsphil is the backup [11:03] \o/ [11:03] very stong sig here - I keep looking at the rig expecting to see something on the s-meter [11:03] yes just beat me to it! cos of spinning? [11:04] looking good jules, right on the predicted path so far [11:04] brb, mutt needs walked [11:04] drifting down a tad in freq [11:04] just pray to the gods of HAB that the burst is useable [11:04] http://www.sphericalvisions.com/hab_flights/bonzo4/bonzo4_1.jpg [11:04] jcoxon (~jcoxon@host86-157-158-124.range86-157.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [11:04] or will go to phil [11:05] that's nice Geoff [11:06] nothing heard in London yet, but just a feint trace on the waterfall [11:06] Carmela_ (Carmela_@host227-136-dynamic.49-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left #highaltitude. [11:06] almost gone here [11:07] i think movement is blocking the signal to certain brgs [11:07] Upu: Is the program working now BONZO4 has appeared? [11:08] dial freq anyone? [11:08] 434.647 [11:08] Got it [11:09] decoding about 1 in 8 [11:09] giving up the hourly install the first install command returns a no package to get error [11:09] falling ? [11:09] Bust :( [11:10] noooooo dont you dare burst!! :( [11:10] already? [11:10] yup [11:10] bugger [11:10] what sort of balloon was this? [11:10] blimey [11:10] 2x36" [11:10] dammit, that was insanely early even for a dual balloon :/ [11:10] easy recovery at least :) [11:10] definitely going down [11:10] gonzo_: How much neck lift in the end? [11:11] was concerned the necks may have been damaged with the buffeting whilst waiting 15mins fof gps lock [11:11] ouch [11:11] how comes so long? [11:12] http://www.sphericalvisions.com/hab_flights/bonzo4/bonzo4_2.jpg [11:12] well jules, good chance of it landing in a nice open field [11:12] that is true [11:12] 20g free lift eventually [11:13] not to bad, was almost a solid 1m/s [11:13] yep, so useful data at least [11:14] 20g of free lift? [11:14] thats quite a bit [11:14] rr [11:14] So only 40g of fill per balloon, you should have got 5500m plus imo. [11:14] dual balloon pico's = black magic :/ [11:15] payload worked out at 83g eventually [11:16] not the forest! [11:16] That was the shortest tracking effort ever. A grand total of 4 strings to add to the total :) [11:16] make your way to blandford forest if i were you, and take an axe lol [11:17] lost [11:17] all appreciated [11:17] http://www.sphericalvisions.com/hab_flights/bonzo4/bonzo4_3.jpg [11:17] NigeyS, indeed [11:17] gonzo_, recover and relaunch today! [11:17] its such nice weather [11:17] I did think just that [11:17] lots of gas and spare balloons [11:17] Oh.. so ~52g of fill per balloon, I've got 4688m with exactly that in the past. [11:17] true, its a lovely still day [11:17] go for it [11:17] that would be great take a breather first tho nice pubs up that way [11:18] 50g/balloon [11:18] Hix, if your around in about an hours time i can try and help you with houry [11:18] don't scare the ponies they've had a lot on their plate lately! [11:18] jcoxon (~jcoxon@host86-157-158-124.range86-157.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: This computer has gone to sleep [11:18] this is where we could have done with the guy from somerset that was here the other day [11:18] cuddykid (~acudworth@cpc2-basf8-2-0-cust23.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com) joined #highaltitude. [11:19] its still txing [11:19] chrisstubbs: probably will be, though it fell over on the first install request, looks like package been bemoved from that url [11:19] http://www.sphericalvisions.com/hab_flights/bonzo4/bonzo4_4.jpg [11:19] ft.....ie.... [11:19] hix what package ? [11:20] chrisstubbs: yum install -y http://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/fedora/epel/6/i386/epel-release-6-7.noarch.rpm [11:20] "No package available" [11:20] Hix which version of linux are you using ? [11:20] Xubuntu [11:20] on VM [11:21] you might need to adapt them as I think those instructions are designed for CentOS/RHEL [11:21] (and possibly fedora) [11:21] hmmm, sounds like it's gonna be an ordeal. [11:21] lost sigs here now [11:21] yeah, you'll need .deb packages for xubuntu [11:21] fingers crossed it got over the woods [11:21] and apt-get rather than yum [11:22] Maybe a huge sunday roast instead then :) [11:22] http://www.sphericalvisions.com/hab_flights/bonzo4/bonzo4_5.jpg [11:22] gonzo_ it probably just made it over the edge of the woods [11:22] lost the signal now [11:22] although 313m for a good decode isn't bad [11:23] hi nigelvh [11:23] sorry [11:23] NigeyS, [11:23] :) [11:23] yep, tis that [11:23] hey Kev [11:23] is there any other documentaion regarding the install, besides Upu's bash history? [11:23] right, off to recover in a bit [11:23] had a partial at $$BOLZO4,6(11:20:47,+5053.09439,-00214.80653,285.0,061!*2AFA [11:23] cya soon jules, good luck [11:23] good luck gonzo_ [11:24] hix, my install was a mess, let me check my bash_history [11:24] I guess we won't be having the return flight next weekend ... [11:24] cheers NigeyS [11:24] Hix: these were my notes based on the bash historys and irc. but it's all centos [11:24] have more foils, have gas [11:24] Upu: Bug is caused by lack of Launch Location Altitude in the Flight Doc: https://github.com/thecraag/habrotate/issues/7 [11:24] http://hab.yapd.net/setup.html [11:24] lowerstoford (~lowerstof@95.141.154.67) joined #highaltitude. [11:24] GMT, i may send microchu to jules if the winds are right [11:25] suppose I should just run with centos then... [11:25] Hi Guys, just logged on to watch Gonzo, as it may pass over me, but its going down??? [11:25] pointless making matters harder [11:26] yup lowerstoford just about landed [11:26] if not already in a tree [11:26] I think the url for the EPEL package needs updating but otherwise I think it works - Damned people updating their software that I've referenced :p [11:26] GMT (GMT@cpc15-haye15-2-0-cust426.17-4.cable.virginmedia.com) left #highaltitude. [11:26] mfa298: http://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/fedora/epel/6/i386/epel-release-6-7.noarch.rpm that one? [11:27] said no package when i tried earleir [despite it being destined to fail] [11:27] yum, that's the one that might have been updated [11:27] try for epel-release-6-8? [11:27] or is URL completely different? [11:27] time to walk mutts and talk to partners...in that order [11:27] probably 6-8 or 6-9 [11:28] ok, will give it a whirl. ta [11:28] looks like 6-8 (remove the whole epel-releas bit and you'll get a directory listing) [11:28] Chris26CT895 (52085acd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.8.90.205) left irc: Quit: Page closed [11:29] ah ok thx craag [11:29] http://www.sphericalvisions.com/hab_flights/bonzo4/Bonzo4_flight_path.jpg [11:29] ooh dear, it landed? [11:29] I had tried ubuntu first for the hourly but I didn't get on with it very well (even ignoring the fact it stopped halfway through shuting down everytime) [11:29] I'm running it on centos [11:31] It is possible on ubuntu (I'm running it on that), but I can't offer any guidance as it took ages and I'm not sure what ended up working in the end :S [11:32] same here [11:32] most of my problems came from python [11:32] snap [11:32] lowerstoford (lowerstof@95.141.154.67) left #highaltitude. [11:32] PaulROB (5e0ea94c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.14.169.76) joined #highaltitude. [11:32] snap 3 [11:33] looking good then ;p [11:34] mm, it wasn't that hard, i've set up two hourly's on the same ubuntu box [11:35] ah, some positives, we like them [11:35] think it was the python-dap package that got me [11:35] requirements' list isn't as short as it is in the README [11:35] eastcombe wood is on quite a slope ground at the last packet is around 200m but where it landed could be <100m [11:39] LazyLeopard (~irc-clien@chocky.demon.co.uk) left irc: Quit: Now QRT [11:40] sudo apt-get upgrade, this upgrades every package in the intstall of xubuntu? [11:40] Hix are you running it on vmware? [11:40] yup [11:40] yeah,, just makes sure the system is up to date [11:41] i ojly downloaded it this morning, but it seems that virtually everything is out of date :) [11:41] only [11:41] although I think you have to do sudo apt-get update first (and pretty much before any apt-get commands) [11:41] aye [11:41] yup done that [11:42] painful on 1.5Mbps [11:42] one of the many things I don't like about the apt way of doing things (along with the many different apt- commands for doing things) [11:42] is Gonzo_ going to go again do we know [11:42] run 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' that'll update everything, including stuff that you'll need to reboot for. [11:42] too late craag [11:42] hix i can put my vm image up for download somewhere if you want, its CentOS and about 3gb though :( [11:43] that'd be cool if you could chrisstubbs [11:43] Oh ill just wack a 7z of it on my webserver and send you the IP [11:43] will see if a recovery is poss and will reassess when back home [11:44] nice chrisstubbs cheers [11:44] 7z and xz are nice [11:44] apparently its setting up girl1.3 [11:45] gonzo__mob (~gonzo_mob@host-78-149-225-39.as13285.net) joined #highaltitude. [11:45] not sure girl will appreciate that :) [11:45] is there a man page for that? [11:45] man girl1.3 [11:46] gonzo___mob (~gonzo_mob@31.76.135.185) joined #highaltitude. [11:46] .th [11:47] Hix did you find a decent RPM of epel in the end? [11:47] mfa thinks its 6-8 or 6-9 will see [11:47] 6-8 exists [11:47] http://chris-stubbs.co.uk/wp/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/cusfinstall.txt [11:47] the link i used is in there [11:49] gonzo_mob (~gonzo_mob@31.91.153.201) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [11:49] gonzo__mob (~gonzo_mob@host-78-149-225-39.as13285.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [11:51] hmmm, I wonder how easily I could alter my kickstart file to remove my local setup (nis and nfs) and do most of the hourly setup instead - could make for a nicer install system for centos. [11:51] unable to locate package by regex [11:52] probably easier to wait for the VM to download. far less painful methinks :) [11:53] aha ok im trying, its all running on a painfully slow windows box i have to VNC into [11:53] I thought python was suppose to make things easier? :) [11:53] kiststart is nice when you can make it work, you should be able to give the installer a kickstart file and it will do all the work at install time for you. [11:53] no hurries chrisstubbs I'll probably download it overnight to save caning your line [12:11] SamSilver (2985f48b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.41.133.244.139) joined #highaltitude. [12:19] g0hww (~g0hww@46-18-104-230.static.vivaciti.org) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [12:20] S_Mark (S_Mark@212-139-123-213.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: [12:20] cuddykid (~acudworth@cpc2-basf8-2-0-cust23.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: cuddykid [12:21] S_Mark (S_Mark@212-139-123-213.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined #highaltitude. 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[12:27] f5apq (02055de3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.5.93.227) left irc: Client Quit [12:32] I've updated the url in my notes now and even added a bit of html markup (although that's a work in progress) [12:34] SamSilver (2985f48b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.41.133.244.139) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:36] got as far as " [100%] Built tatget test" so it's not all falling over just yet, thenks to NigeyS [12:36] *thanks [12:38] hopefully it looks a bit easier with the commands seperated from the notes [12:39] lowerstoford (~lowerstof@95.141.154.67) joined #highaltitude. [12:41] looks nice mfa298 [12:41] Laurenceb_ (~Laurence@host86-135-134-44.range86-135.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [12:41] i even added a link to the youtube video [12:41] Cheers :) [12:42] Babs (b0fb6516@gateway/web/freenode/ip.176.251.101.22) joined #highaltitude. [12:44] wd9hzu (3252d860@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.82.216.96) joined #highaltitude. [12:45] Hix file will be ready in about 10 [12:45] SamSilver (2985f48b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.41.133.244.139) joined #highaltitude. [12:45] k cool [12:45] ta [12:45] Domlin has set me up with some nice unlimited hosting so i will stick it on there too [12:47] wd9hzu (3252d860@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.82.216.96) left irc: Client Quit [12:53] gonzo_p (~gonzo_p@31.69.77.164) joined #highaltitude. [12:54] gonzo_p: recovered? [12:56] Hix http://86.173.240.238:7777/hourly/ [12:57] compressed down to 821mb :) [12:57] skills chrisstubbs [12:57] good work [12:58] no probs [13:01] craag, bonzo4 has updated, looks like its in the trees :/ [13:02] heh, had to be didn't it. trees and water..... [13:02] lol all those open fields, and it hits a bloody tree :/ [13:03] thinking of adding 60m single rope, harness and some prussik loops to my lanch kit :) [13:03] launch [13:03] just pack a chainsaw instead ;) [13:05] Bryanstein (~Bryanstei@shellium/admin/bryanstein) left irc: Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net [13:06] spotted in a tree going to take a walk up the track [13:07] oki good luck! [13:07] Action: Hix is currently installing bacon_rolls_2.0 [13:11] just a short question to everyone [13:11] arduinos are programmed via the UART 0 of the CPU right [13:11] Bryanstein (~Bryanstei@shellium/admin/bryanstein) joined #highaltitude. [13:12] why is it bad to have a device attached to that UART while uploading a program? [13:12] something to do with sync [13:12] chrisstubbs: just wondering did you have to do anything to make SElinux behave or did you just turn it off for your vm ? [13:12] SElinux? [13:13] the security stuff Redhat add to linux. I'm guessing you didn't have to do anything with it. [13:13] all i did that wasnt in your instructions was add exceptions in the firewall for port 80 [13:14] chrisstubbs, what's that program btw? [13:14] its a VMware image of the houry predictor [13:14] ah [13:15] I'll add some notes about firewall then - I've added some of my httpd.conf file to the notes [13:15] what does it do? [13:15] predicts hourly [13:15] SamSilver (2985f48b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.41.133.244.139) left irc: Quit: Page closed [13:15] yes that was a bit of a paina s ir emember [13:15] :D [13:15] the bit [13:15] hang on lunar i will boot mine back up... [13:15] I've added a whole virtualserver block [13:15] Lunar_Lander: its a customised predictor for individuals lons [13:16] locns [13:16] although I need to apply some s/ ah [13:16] same as CUSFS [13:16] kpiman (1f363183@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.54.49.131) left irc: Quit: Page closed [13:19] ugh dual core pentium D is horrible [13:20] think im going to end up getting a cheap quad core bundle next month and sort this out [13:22] Lunar_Lander http://86.173.240.238/ [13:23] interesting [13:23] Bryanstein (~Bryanstei@shellium/admin/bryanstein) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [13:23] this is rather cool [13:23] :) [13:28] Chris_26CT895 (~mirggi@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net) joined #highaltitude. [13:30] Chris_26CT895 (~mirggi@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net) left irc: Client Quit [13:39] Proliant N40L £219.99 and £100 from HP http://goo.gl/TwqYS [13:39] space for 5 HDD inside and eSATA externally, cheaper than a NAS bay [13:40] not bad! [13:41] think that tree is giving Jules a hard time ;/ [13:41] £120 for a dual core microserver is a steal [13:41] trained squirrels needed on site [13:42] I have one as a NAS. Nice little box. [13:42] Babs (b0fb6516@gateway/web/freenode/ip.176.251.101.22) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [13:42] G0MJW (52996a4f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.153.106.79) joined #highaltitude. [13:42] How is it going? [13:43] Just fine. 4 2GB drives in the RAID array, and another drive for the O/S [13:43] That's good. All you need now is to fix that wobble in the monitor stand [13:44] With a bit more ram it looks like it could make a nice beginner ESXi box (assuming the cpu is suitable) [13:45] Bryanstein (~Bryanstei@shellium/admin/bryanstein) joined #highaltitude. [13:50] g0hww (~g0hww@46-18-104-230.static.vivaciti.org) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:50] gonzo_p (~gonzo_p@31.69.77.164) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:50] gonzo_p (~gonzo_p@31.69.77.164) joined #highaltitude. [13:53] gonzo_p (~gonzo_p@31.69.77.164) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:53] gonzo_p (~gonzo_p@31.69.77.164) joined #highaltitude. [13:55] BrainDamage (~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-94-36-255-43.clienti.tiscali.it) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:55] Flight of Bonzo4 http://www.sphericalvisions.com/hab_flights/bonzo4/output/Bonzo4.html also an HTM5 version at http://www.sphericalvisions.com/hab_flights/bonzo4/output/Bonzo4_1.html [13:56] got s closeas I could to the site. but had to give up [13:56] can see it from here too [13:56] dam :( [13:56] cleaned the log of what NigeyS advised when starting to try to get Hourly running on Xubuntu; if anyone cares to try, here's where we got to. Feel free to update the process. No point in putting it on the Wiki yet as it's not finished [13:56] http://goo.gl/MVj9q [13:56] oh well. a fun day [13:56] bummer [13:57] better luck next weekend for you [13:57] geoff-G8DHE nice work :) [13:57] yup jules, fingers crossed! [13:57] off home. I'm broken after that climb up the hill [13:57] :D [13:57] lol oki! [13:58] Where was it? [13:59] Hix looks like you're halfway there. [13:59] uo in trees [13:59] Shame but interesting anyway, not sure about that aerial however, seemed to have nulls or maybe the beam was deflected upwards, much fading with me. [13:59] i got as close as poss on the track [14:00] Pitu. No UAV to grab it? [14:00] but the rest is a climbing ex! [14:00] hehe [14:00] told you single rope and prussik loops were featuring on my launch list :) [14:01] Hix: or some sort of extendabe pole. [14:01] Fly fishing anyone ? [14:01] mfa298: halfway, could be back to the start though. If you want to fill in the blanks in the step by step, I'll have a crac another time. About to go out [14:01] shot gun is an idea [14:01] right time to go home [14:01] gonzo_p (~gonzo_p@31.69.77.164) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:01] You can get 12m fishing poles very cheap now [14:02] Hix: you'll probably want to do the install into /opt (due to some hard coded paths), the only other bit that's likely to be missing is some python modules [14:02] I rarely need to catch 12m fish. [14:03] there you go 11m pole £50 [14:03] could pay for itself in two boards recovered [14:04] just hope the the tree is <13m [14:04] so just mv the contents of /home/hix/CUSF..... to /opt/CUSF.... then pwd into there and proceed? [14:05] the folder wants to be called /opt/cusf-landing-prediction [14:05] sure, i was cutting a typo corner [14:05] is the process documented in the CUSF Github? [14:06] not sure [14:14] hmm, seems it's only really the predictor thats documented, not the hourly. [14:14] ping jcoxon [14:14] ahh bugger, nights [14:16] Trained Monkey? [14:19] http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/54819_463894216986010_799492339_o.jpg [14:19] Shame its not a real ipad :( [14:21] Right, time to get out and see some of this nice day before i spend another week in an office.bbl, cheers guys [14:25] later Hix [14:25] Hix (~Hix@87.194.200.92) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [14:34] gonzo___mob (~gonzo_mob@31.76.135.185) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [14:36] just got in are there any plans for more excitement today please? [14:37] fsphil: there was going to be a link to that page but i got lazy [14:38] also not using the maps wouldbt be too hard but that is one of the main points of the app [14:38] i just wanted to get something out and see how it works [14:38] CHRISG7OGX: I think the trees won on this one [14:38] gonzo_mob (~gonzo_mob@31.76.135.185) joined #highaltitude. [14:39] zamabe (~zamabe@unaffiliated/zamabe) joined #highaltitude. [14:39] suspect won't be first time...or last [14:42] funcube sat antenna deployment. http://www.southgatearc.org/news/february2013/amsat_uk_funcube1_antenna_deployment_test.htm?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+AmateurRadioNews+%28Southgate+Amateur+Radio+News%29#.USDsNqXznBF [14:45] gonzo_mob (~gonzo_mob@31.76.135.185) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [14:48] Hix (~Hix@87.194.200.92) joined #highaltitude. [14:53] Received email: Geoff Mather "Re: [UKHAS] BONZO4 Launch Announcement - Sun 17th February - Dorset [14:53] kpiman (1f363183@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.54.49.131) joined #highaltitude. [14:59] Hix (~Hix@87.194.200.92) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [14:59] gonzo_mob (~gonzo_mob@213.205.235.229) joined #highaltitude. [15:03] gonzo__mob (~gonzo_mob@31.79.19.147) joined #highaltitude. 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[16:23] fsphil2 (~phil@2001:8b0:34:1:21f:d0ff:fe60:dbd6) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:25] NickSF (~NickSF@151.227.80.172) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [16:26] Adam012 (~androirc@31.73.130.213) joined #highaltitude. [16:26] Hi Adam012 any joy with recovery? [16:26] NigeyS (~nigel-win@cpc5-cdif14-2-0-cust507.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:27] No luck Hix, we got plenty of publicity though ;-) [16:28] yeah I've ssen. Shame though [16:28] ping jonsowman [16:29] It was, we're pretty sure which address it was taken to but without being 100% certain I can't pursue it further. [16:30] hi Hix [16:30] hullo, do you have any info for the install of the hourly apart from http://www.cuspaceflight.co.uk/wiki/landing_predictor [16:30] I'm trying it on xubuntu but everyone seems to have used centos [16:31] should be broadly similar apart from the relevant package manager [16:31] to answer your question, there are no other instructions [16:31] a couple of people on here have compiled some [16:31] ah ok [16:31] craag perhaps? [16:31] Adam012: can't you send them anothjer "package" :) [16:31] ok jonsowman cheers [16:38] Hix (~Hix@host86-135-212-187.range86-135.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [16:39] Just building Horizon 2's tracker and making a couple of reserve antenna [16:41] ello [16:42] Ah, hourly... [16:42] Hix (~Hix@host86-135-212-187.range86-135.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [16:42] Adam012 - toerags [16:43] they could have at least posted the sD back [16:43] anoymously, if they wanted the paperweight [16:44] cuddykid (~acudworth@cpc2-basf8-2-0-cust23.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com) joined #highaltitude. [16:44] Hix: I have merged the hourly into the predictor at https://github.com/thecraag/cusf-standalone-predictor [16:44] I know, we would have loved to get the photos back. [16:44] ok, cool - I'll have a gander over there. cheers [16:44] It's not completely up-to-date (doesn't have the time-delta options), but take a look through the commit log. [16:44] ta [16:46] Which payload has been taken? bonzo4? [16:46] Horizon chrisstubbs [16:47] The school one aswell. [16:48] chrisstubbs: only 1 hour left on the 7z VM :/ [16:48] Some people :( Think they saw it on spacenear.us and took it? or just happened to come accross it? [16:49] Hix getting there! Explorer is still frozen afaik [16:49] :D [16:51] g0hww (~g0hww@46-18-104-230.static.vivaciti.org) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:52] Am i right in thinking the pin mapping of the ATmega168 is the same in DIP as it is in TQFP [16:53] eg PD0 = arduino digital 0 on both [16:53] sec [16:55] chrisstubbs: http://i.imgur.com/JI7qcw2.png [16:55] chrisstubbs: yep [16:55] looks to be so [16:56] Awesome, i have the datasheets just thinking about the arduino side of things [16:56] Chris_26CT895 (52085acd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.8.90.205) joined #highaltitude. [16:56] ordered some mega8's and some free samples of mega168s to play with. the pinout is identical which should be handy for board designs [16:57] Adam012 (~androirc@31.73.130.213) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [16:58] 328 is cheap as chips http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?sku=1715486&CMP=i-bf9f-00001000 [16:58] i thought i got the 328 on ebay, but the cheeky blighters just said "328 compatible" [16:59] If you're going to run it 3v3 it'll only handle 8MHz i've been advised [16:59] just in case you didn't know [17:00] not sure if im goning to run the whole thing at 3v3 or run the chip at 5v and use voltage converters [17:00] the latter seems like a bit of a waste of time [17:00] seemed easier for me as the uBLox deals in 3v3 logic [17:00] saved a 232 to translate and space [17:00] as does the RFM22 [17:01] haven't dared go near that yet, code nightmare i think for me [17:01] ordered one to have a play with, got a feeling it might be the same [17:02] there's quite a bit on the wiki about it but I'd rather master what Ive got at the moment before opening a fresh tin of worms :) [17:04] yeah think i will fly with my through hole NTX2 board before i start too much work with SMD parts [17:04] been practicing taking a few chips off an old LCD driver and putting them back on again, didnt go too badly [17:05] the tip of my maplin soldering iron must be made of crap though, its awful [17:05] tin of worms... [17:05] it's sad if you think about it [17:05] trapping live animals in a metal can [17:08] it's still more fun than shooting monkeys in a barrel [17:09] CHRISG7OGX (5e0bce34@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.11.206.52) left irc: Quit: Page closed [17:09] NickSF (~NickSF@151.227.80.172) joined #highaltitude. [17:11] chrisstubbs: check out http://www.pcb-soldering.co.uk/ they're cheap, plus they do tips down to 0.2mm for aoyue irons [17:11] TINY http://i.imgur.com/4zgwPd1.jpg [17:12] gb73d (gb73d@88-110-53-9.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Quit: Look out Dave she's gonna blow ! [17:13] oo not too badly priced at all! [17:14] I bought some stuff second class post and it arrived the next morning recorded.... [17:14] they seem to d oa fair bit of RF stuff on their other site too [17:14] their tweezers are excellent too. [17:15] Adam012 (~androirc@31.74.136.153) joined #highaltitude. [17:16] http://goo.gl/i7Cka looks quite nice [17:16] just about in my price range too [17:18] g0hww (~g0hww@46-18-104-230.static.vivaciti.org) joined #highaltitude. [17:18] Looks nice, similar to the Maplin's model. [17:20] NickSF (~NickSF@151.227.80.172) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [17:22] got this one http://goo.gl/W4rBS no complaints at all [17:22] aprts from the user :p [17:22] apart [17:23] i dont know why i went for the LCD one, looks cool [17:23] £34 isnt too bad at all, might end up buying one tonight now haha [17:25] jcoxon (~jcoxon@host86-157-158-124.range86-157.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [17:25] oops, sorry :) get the 0.2mm tip and a chisel for desoldering with braid too, end u ath the same price as the digi, tweezers while you're there too [17:26] did yours come with any tips? [17:26] think it's 0.8 conical as std, little big for ublox and certainly for TQFP - the 0.2mm is spot on, see pic further up [17:27] http://i.imgur.com/4zgwPd1.jpg [17:27] yeah that one looks good [17:28] thats yer man http://goo.gl/du0Jl [17:29] can it be left on for a few mins without the tip turning to crusty black crap? [17:29] yup - ages [17:30] :) [17:30] think i will pass on the tweezers [17:30] reccomended size for chisel? [17:30] don't leave it on for ages :( :( and always tin the tip before you put it back! [17:32] i got the top one think 5mm just to heat the braid up quickly [17:32] I always tin the tip after every use, easy to wipe before you go [17:33] same, but that dosent seem to be enough on my £20 maplin one [17:33] get what you pay for, been in need of a proper one for ages [17:33] to be fair the aoyue comes up to temp really quick and has indicator so turning off isn't really an issue [17:33] i had an old nail before, it was shocking [17:35] domlin (577286fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.114.134.254) joined #highaltitude. [17:35] Hix 5mm or 0.5mm? [17:36] 5 [17:36] figured a big tip would heat the braid up and absorb solder qithout passing too much heat into the components [17:36] but someone more knowledgable could advise otherwise [17:37] ah ok fair enough [17:37] sod it im gonna get that iron, a 0.2mm conical a 3mm chisel [17:38] 7z finished - remote install coming up [after a few sunday evening ales] [17:38] no LCD = mor bits :) [17:38] more [17:46] right - time for some sunday evening booze, cheers for the VM chrisstubbs and craag for the info on hourly [17:46] bbl [17:50] no probs, cheers for the iron tips [17:50] if you pardon the pun [17:52] zamabe (~zamabe@unaffiliated/zamabe) left irc: Quit: CANADIANS!? WHERE? [17:53] gonzo_mob (~gonzo_mob@213.205.228.85) joined #highaltitude. [17:55] :D - quick one - is there a std login fo rthe centos vm? [17:55] yes i meant to send you that [17:55] pm [17:55] np cheers [17:55] NigeyS-tab (~AndChat40@cpc5-cdif14-2-0-cust507.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com) joined #highaltitude. 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[18:37] :) [18:37] anyone got the decoder working yet? :P [18:38] Yup [18:38] ah nice [18:38] Even got some decodes without a splitter cable [18:39] rtty decoder app? [18:39] it would seem someone has already managed to crash it though [18:39] mattbrejza: I have :D [18:39] (crashed it) [18:39] 'java.lang.ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException' [18:40] at least it tells me [18:40] very useful [18:40] chrisstubbs: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.brejza.matt.habmodem [18:40] craag: what were you doing when it crashed? [18:41] Nothing visible on decoder screen as it wasn't recognising the mic input. Pressed the 'Active' button which was showing a pause symbol. It crashed. [18:41] yea that makes sense [18:41] it doesnt decode until you unpause it btw [18:41] not that it seems to work for you :P [18:42] Wow that looks great! [18:42] I like the auto detect for the rtty mode [18:42] not compatible with my Desire HD, but i shall get Domlin to try it [18:42] chrisstubbs: not on the mailing list then? [18:42] chrisstubbs: it doesnt like android 2.x, can you upgrade it? [18:43] yea auto detecting rtty isnt that har [18:43] d [18:43] Root it :-) [18:43] Ahhh im only 2.3.5 :( [18:44] the UKHAS google groups mailing list? [18:45] yea [18:46] Im on that, must have just missed the email! [18:46] thinking back i do remember mention of the app [18:46] last night's email [18:48] craag: does it do that every time? [18:48] Im on the daily, so i will probably get that one tonight :P [18:49] oh i see [18:49] mattbrejza: Yes, on both of my devices. Briefly flashes up 'Searching..' then crashes [18:49] most odd [18:49] whats the over device? [18:49] Tablet: 1st gen kindle fire Phone: htc desire x [18:50] I'll resend a crash report from both if that'd help [18:51] er might as well if thats not too much trouble [18:51] just need to recreate it so i can step through [18:52] Well, the iHAB Team lost its first payload [18:52] Nick change: W0OTM-Home -> W0OTM [18:52] we searched for 4 hours, and nothing heard or found [18:52] Post flight updates: http://www.ihabproject.com/iHAB-9/ [18:53] Oh dear' [18:55] zamabe (~zamabe@unaffiliated/zamabe) joined #highaltitude. [18:55] mattbrejza: Done. The crashes appear to happen at slightly different points actually. One before the screens updates, the other after. But that may just be OS related (ICS/Jellybean) [18:56] thanks craag [18:57] ha theyre both differnet [18:58] well it's your lucky day, ask for 1 bug, get 1 free ;) [18:58] great... [18:58] one is easily fixable though [18:58] but need to work out why its happening [18:59] Gremlins [19:02] Btw, I'm having issues with telemetry being 'R$PAYLOAD..' instead of '$$PAYLOAD..' at faster baudrates, has anybody seen this before? The rest of the string is intact, and it works at slower baudrates. [19:03] try adding some null (0x00) characters beforehard to sync the decoder? [19:06] (or indeed any chars - more $s works too) [19:06] Does the checksum only include the last 2 $$s? [19:06] *2 $s [19:06] $s aren't included in the checksum [19:07] doesnt include any [19:07] Dang, forgot that... well that makes it easy, thanks :D [19:08] Fixed, cheers. [19:13] bertrik_ (~quassel@ip117-49-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) joined #highaltitude. [19:13] bertrik_ (~quassel@ip117-49-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) left irc: Changing host [19:13] bertrik_ (~quassel@rockbox/developer/bertrik) joined #highaltitude. [19:15] G0MJW (52996a4f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.153.106.79) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [19:28] craag: one down... [19:32] G8KNN-Jon (~Jon@cpc1-cmbg10-0-0-cust144.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [19:33] zamabe (~zamabe@unaffiliated/zamabe) left irc: Ping timeout: 244 seconds [19:35] hey US/euro peeps who use APRS, what do you use for the APRS antenna on a payload ? [19:35] is a slim jim ok ? [19:38] i used a slimjim for aprs once, not on a flight vehicle but i'd have thought it would be good on a hab for all the same reasons its good elsewhere [19:38] Upu: J-pole from 300 ohm cable [19:38] dangling below ? [19:38] yup [19:38] I made a slim jim from twin feeder [19:38] cool thx [19:39] also, back [19:39] wb eroomde [19:39] good trip ? [19:40] yus [19:40] tho v tired [19:40] trying to force myself to uk time [19:41] My VM image is uploaded at long last: http://hourly.chris-stubbs.co.uk/ [19:41] going to be fun [19:41] what time is it ? 2pm ? [19:42] yep [19:42] luch was bad [19:42] awakeish now [19:42] but still tired as didnt sleep on the flight [19:42] back at work tomorrow ? [19:42] sleeping on flights is difficult [19:43] I can't do it [19:43] Upu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lU4iF6anrqw @11:39 - my antena :-) [19:43] I managed only a little bit [19:43] Upu: yup [19:43] bright and early [19:43] 6am drive up to oxford [19:43] or 10pm in body time [19:43] lol SP9UOB_Tom [19:43] I need to screen shot the single frame its in :) [19:45] do be careful eroomde [19:46] sunlight to the rescue i suspect [19:47] eroomde: are you back yet? [19:47] sunlight? [19:47] you really have been gone a while :) [19:47] nick_: yes [19:47] Cool, want to get a beer during the latter half of this week? [19:48] yes please [19:48] shall i ping simon spiro too? [19:48] yes [19:48] cool [19:48] I'm hoping I'll return to sanity on Wednesday, so Wednesday/Friday/the weekend would be good for me. [19:49] kpiman (1f363183@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.54.49.131) left irc: Quit: Page closed [19:50] i might be delagged better towards the end of the week too [19:50] I'm currently going crazy about an interview. [19:51] where? [19:51] Here [19:51] A position at one of the college [19:51] s [19:52] jrf type thing? [19:53] yes [19:53] exactly [19:53] nice [19:53] can understand your feeling :) [19:56] But ignorning that my student is getting my detector working [19:56] Action: SP9UOB_Tom 's 1.8V tracker is running 30 hours and still have 1.35V on single Energizer Lithium AA [19:57] So it would be really cool if we could attempt to launch it while he's around. [19:57] Received email: Philip Crump "[UKHAS] Re: HABrotate v0.5" [19:58] mattbrejza: Great! Hopefully I can get the audio-in working later. [19:59] once they start to drop past 1.1 you have about 30 mins left [19:59] Chris_26CT895 (52085acd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.8.90.205) left irc: Quit: Page closed [20:00] ta craag [20:00] G8KNN-Jon (~Jon@cpc1-cmbg10-0-0-cust144.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com) joined #highaltitude. [20:02] Upu: thanks [20:04] evening folks, quick question on the ntx2 if anyone can help. when using the sample code and circuit layout for the ntx2 i get a carrier shift of over 700, but when i integrate that code into the full tracker program, i get a shift of only 120. anyone ever experienced that? im running it on a mega [20:06] jcoxon (~jcoxon@host86-129-31-157.range86-129.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: This computer has gone to sleep [20:07] 'the' sample code? [20:08] sorry, from ukhas http://www.ukhas.org.uk/guides:linkingarduinotontx2 [20:09] Adam012 (~androirc@31.74.136.153) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [20:10] thanks [20:10] that sounds odd [20:10] when i just run that code, i can get the test text back fine with a shift of about 700, but when i use it to feed the payload data, my shift drops to about 120. cant figure out why [20:10] Lunar_Lander http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JziENuJ8eQw :-) [20:11] no changes in the physical circuit, just the software? [20:11] thats right, no change, i can upload both sets of code to the mega and replicate the results [20:12] what's additional in the full tracker program? [20:13] just pulling data from the gps, formatting the string and passing this string through the rtty code. [20:14] how spooky. mind uploaded both sets of code to pastebin.com? [20:14] on the smaller shift i can still decode the rtty, [20:14] sure [20:16] btw craag what device did you only send the error report for once? [20:16] Check that the output(s) are being set as such [20:16] valeria (~valeria@200.84.53.91) joined #highaltitude. [20:16] valeria (~valeria@200.84.53.91) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:17] yes i was wandering if the pins have been reconfigured to tristate or something [20:17] by some magic arduino function behind the scenes [20:17] full code http://pastebin.com/vgFH9TtC ukhas code http://pastebin.com/rpFY3tXf [20:18] kinda butchered at the moment, need to tidy up a good bit [20:19] #define radiopin 7 [20:19] #define radiopin 13 [20:19] you told me it was physically indentical between the two :) [20:19] hi OZ1SKY_Brian [20:19] that is really old [20:20] yeah, i moved the pin down [20:22] LazyLeopard (~irc-clien@chocky.demon.co.uk) joined #highaltitude. [20:22] mattbrejza: Probably htc desire x. I wrote each device in the crash report comment if you can see that. [20:22] oh ok [20:22] so you did, i only noticed the stack trace [20:23] PaulROB (5e0ea94c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.14.169.76) left irc: Quit: Page closed [20:23] so much for that [20:23] PaulROB (5e0ea94c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.14.169.76) joined #highaltitude. [20:24] PaulROB: do you have the same issue if you keep the radio on pin13? [20:25] Pin 13? Is that the one with the LED on it? [20:25] yes, its the same issue, [20:25] yes, 13 has the led [20:26] I'd not use that; just increases your power consumption for no benefit :) [20:26] thats why i moved to 7 [20:27] Anyway you need PinMode [20:27] jol02 (jolo2@103.248.75.86.rev.sfr.net) joined #highaltitude. [20:28] jol02 (jolo2@103.248.75.86.rev.sfr.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:28] not really sure off the top of my head [20:28] pinMode even. http://arduino.cc/en/Tutorial/DigitalPins [20:29] its an odd one [20:29] i'm a bit pooped after travel. my instinct is that it might be to do with how the io is set, especially re pullups or tristate or whatever [20:30] what daveake says [20:30] jolo2 (~jolo2@230.197.22.93.rev.sfr.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [20:30] ill do a bit of digging on that, cheers guys [20:31] Did anyone get the RFM22 temperature sensor working in the end? [20:31] BrainDamage (~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-94-36-255-43.clienti.tiscali.it) joined #highaltitude. [20:31] eroomde You going to the Oxford Geeks night on 13th March? They're having a Pi night. [20:32] sounds fun. hadn't heard about it but may do [20:32] craag: i have [20:32] I'm going (not doing a talk - they've got a full set already) [20:32] The Uptons will be there [20:32] They can bring my pre-production Pi camera :p [20:33] SP9UOB_Tom: Do you have any code I could take a peek at? I'm just getting garbage values at the moment. [20:33] craag: rfm22_write(0x0f,0b00000000); [20:33] rfm22_write(0x12,0b00100000); [20:33] rfm22_write(0x13,0b00000000); [20:33] rfm22_write(0x13,0xe8); // -12 [20:34] and then [20:34] int rfm22_read_temp (void) { [20:34] long int temp; [20:34] rfm22_write(0x0f,0b10000000); [20:34] temp=(int)rfm22_read(0x11); [20:34] temp=temp>>1L; [20:34] temp=temp-64; [20:34] printf ("RFM22 read_temp = %ld\r\n",temp); [20:34] return ((int)temp); [20:34] } [20:34] SP9UOB_Tom: Thanks, next time PM instead of spamming the channel :) [20:35] better, pastebin.com [20:35] mm [20:35] copying code into irc is a netiquette nono [20:35] of say >4 lines anyway [20:35] im doing 4 things in parallel [20:36] SP9UOB_Tom: Thank you very much though, I'll trawl through and see what I'm getting wrong. [20:36] vladimirek (~vladimire@95.105.250.72) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:37] or instead of pastebin use http://paste.ubuntu.com/ [20:37] no [20:37] NEVER do that [20:37] why? [20:38] everything you know and love will cease to be [20:38] XD [20:40] you wouldn't want to give ubuntu all your secrets would you [20:45] recently tried to install ubuntu [20:46] took 1 hour after which crashed a few times [20:47] I dont get the new ubuntu, it all seems to heavy [20:47] jolo2 (~jolo2@103.13.119.80.rev.sfr.net) joined #highaltitude. [20:49] G8KNN-Jon (~Jon@cpc1-cmbg10-0-0-cust144.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [20:52] chrisstubbs, version 13.04? [20:53] I'm loving the MATE desktop. I didn't realise how much I missed being able to put shortcuts on the top of the screen [20:54] and a task bar at the bottom [20:54] lovely [20:54] SP9UOB_Tom: I hadn't set up one of the registers in the init, thanks. Although I can't get the output to change from 25 degrees (199 raw). [20:55] i still like 9.11 haha [20:57] chrisstubbs: fluxbox is all you need [21:03] awesomewm [21:06] HixPad (~Hix-pad@host86-135-212-187.range86-135.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: L8Rs [21:12] did PaulROB get sorted ? [21:18] >_< [21:18] so this is what happens when you leave your hab at a hackerspace http://wiki.032.la/nsl/HABEXadventure [21:19] :-) [21:19] even after i asked people to not move it.. as it has parts that could get damaged since it's not connected [21:20] i mean tied down and all [21:20] but at the same time i love these sort of pranks [21:20] thats a big box arko [21:20] it has lots of stuff [21:20] Just think where he's likely to head once he is made free on the wind! [21:20] well, the it has tie down points inside [21:21] so it can survive the eroomde test [21:21] lol, scientology [21:22] lmao [21:22] that hab did have a nice journey [21:22] lol didn't notice that :) [21:23] "Next was a stop to a gay sex shop. HABEX likes the cock and felt Arko was not enough for him" [21:23] you know your friends love you when... [21:23] Brilliant. [21:24] PETA - people eat tasty animals [21:24] haha [21:25] yeah [21:25] hey arko are you still planning on coming over to our sunny shores ? [21:25] yep :) [21:25] planning it out in the coming weeks [21:25] rgr [21:25] bertrik_ (~quassel@rockbox/developer/bertrik) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:25] I want to go to the UK too [21:25] conference planning time [21:25] you have to come Kevin [21:25] maybe I can finally come to the conference this time [21:25] yea [21:26] totally [21:26] wd9hzu (3252d860@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.82.216.96) joined #highaltitude. [21:26] I'll see if we can arrange it round Arko [21:26] because unless Darkside is coming he's winning futhest travelled [21:27] hah [21:27] made of mine has one of those little shirt microphones [21:27] made/mate [21:27] arko, ROFL the town tour [21:27] I'm going to sort the streaming out this year [21:27] promises [21:27] evening wd9hzu [21:27] I'll bring the camera too [21:27] Hiena (~boreger@81.93.195.181.datatrans.hu) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:27] Even if i have to go to the venue the day before and check stuff out [21:28] wireless mic fails if there are two speakers :) [21:28] wd9hzu (3252d860@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.82.216.96) left irc: Client Quit [21:28] yea I'm gonna fly over earlier this time [21:28] spend a bit of time doing other stuff [21:28] maybe get a flight in [21:28] yeah [21:28] I'm sure there's plenty of places I've not seen [21:29] maybe we should have a more extensive london pub tour post-conference ;) [21:29] that was a good spot we went to last year [21:29] though very busy [21:29] indeed [21:29] sweet [21:30] i'll get you guys some dates very soon [21:30] I preferred last one [21:30] more time to speak to people [21:30] agreed [21:30] yup [21:30] also fewer stairs [21:30] hehe [21:30] this much is true [21:30] though that old building looked great [21:31] the brick wall was a nice background to the videos [21:31] last year was walking distance to my bed :) [21:31] the badges were very cool but I'm not sure how you improve on that [21:31] I failed regarding distance to hotel [21:31] but it was a very nice hotel [21:31] I enjoyed making those [21:31] mesh network of badges [21:31] junderwood (~John@host86-180-50-20.range86-180.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:31] with rfm22bs [21:32] the brick wall did look awesome [21:32] :) [21:32] oh man, we've done electronic badges here in the states [21:32] for Layerone [21:32] not sure if you guys have heard of that conference [21:32] it wasn't anything super compex [21:32] complex [21:32] basically just an Arduino Pro [21:32] very minimal [21:32] I will definitely be at the conference this time round, and try and drag Domlin along with me [21:32] I've not made mine yet [21:33] with pads for NTX2 & RFM22B [21:33] don't think anyones flown one yet [21:34] oh very cool [21:34] arko: yo [21:34] :) [21:34] sup eroomde! [21:34] back home? [21:34] yup [21:35] nice! [21:35] see what they did with the hab you helped me bring back? [21:35] nope? [21:36] http://wiki.032.la/nsl/HABEXadventure [21:37] you must be delighted [21:37] at first i was pissed [21:37] but very quickly i lol'd [21:38] the radio inside is not the final flight radio [21:38] it's a proto that wasn't even tied down [21:39] hey ed have you seen/used PyMC? [21:39] >_> i just cant trust them anymore [21:40] I'd heard about it but never actually used it until today, but found [*] which covers using it for a load of use cases and also draws nice graphs [21:40] https://github.com/CamDavidsonPilon/Probabilistic-Programming-and-Bayesian-Methods-for-Hackers [21:40] rofl arko [21:41] http://wiki.032.la/nsl/File:HABEXrr.jpg [21:41] oh dear [21:41] Randomskk: oh nice [21:41] thanks [21:42] they gave it love [21:42] it looks really really nice. in that you just tell it your model with some easy happy functions and press "go" and ta-da [21:42] ewww [21:42] but also he draws some great charts with matplotlib [21:42] hehe .la [21:42] like that touch [21:43] :) [21:43] 032.la [21:43] nullspace [21:45] http://nbviewer.ipython.org/urls/raw.github.com/CamDavidsonPilon/Probabilistic-Programming-and-Bayesian-Methods-for-Hackers/master/Chapter2_MorePyMC/MorePyMC.ipynb [21:45] in particular [21:45] Randomskk: i did see that general link about ipython notebook examples [21:45] fergus hooked me onto it in SF [21:45] ipython notebook <3 <3 [21:45] that ipython thing is neat [21:45] have been using that for courseworks [21:45] arko: if you thought ipython was good, try ipython notebook [21:45] ipython notebook i mean [21:46] i showed it to him super briefly at the LA hackerspace [21:46] it's sooo nice [21:46] eroomde showed me [21:46] yeah [21:46] being able to edit small chunks of your code and rerun is perfect [21:46] going to use it from now on [21:46] it's the perfect mix of an interactive console and actually writing a script [21:46] amazing for iterating when playingw ith data [21:46] i shall be making it my lover too [21:46] if you go to Out[64] in that link ^, nice [21:47] they plot an average posterior for probability of a shuttle o-ring failing with temperature [21:47] but also drew on a distribution by just donig a scatter at each x value of samples [21:51] root your phone they said, its easy they said... [21:51] stuck on the HTC logo now :( [21:51] Break out the JTAG! [21:51] lol [21:52] it's a good time to be nerding [21:52] haha [21:52] my resolution now i'm back is to work a bit better for fewer hours and get my linear algebra better [21:52] it underpins so much and yet mine is ropey. [21:53] what part of linear? [21:53] all of it [21:54] well, so for example, i was at a lecture in berkeley with some friends on high demensional estimation problems [21:54] oh fun [21:54] hey craag : Github noted will log issues there from now on [21:54] and the girl said triumphantly that some L-0 norm criteria was the same as some L1-norm criteria if and only if this matrix was in the nullspace of that one [21:55] and a few people in the audience gasped with delight [21:55] haha [21:55] and i spent 35 mins with a pencil and paper trying to re-remember exactly what that means [21:55] whirlycoconuts994@vmcus23714-2.claranet.pt wants to be able to chat with you. Okay? [21:55] err no [21:55] i need it to be intuitive basically, as i wouldn't have realised that myselfd [21:55] eroomde: on my amazon books wishlist is http://www.amazon.co.uk/Linear-Algebra-Right-Undergraduate-Mathematics/dp/0387982582 [21:56] which is apparently really really good [21:56] Upu: dude, gmail has been doing that to me lately [21:56] i've heard that [21:56] getting tired of it [21:56] Randomskk: that title is really reassuring [21:57] though I'm thinking of getting The Visual Display of Quantitative Information first. [21:57] Randomskk: i am gonna do this one [21:57] http://joshua.smcvt.edu/linearalgebra/ [21:57] i hear good things about i too [21:58] cool, bookmarked [21:58] I still have all my notes on linalg from 2nd year which were fairly good, but not really comprehensive enough [21:58] no indeed [21:59] having said that being in the right headspace seems more important when grasping most of the concepts [21:59] headspace, hah [21:59] we did L2 norms more properly in robust control than in any actual maths [21:59] and that was mainly just to compare with H-infinity norms [21:59] yesexactly, and the linear algebra deep intutiion seems to be super important there [21:59] totally [21:59] it's all linear algebra in multivariate control [21:59] in as far as stuff can just look like noise unless you're really up on what you can do with matrices [22:00] and a lot of the questions require figuring out those fun matrix tricks [22:00] and i'm about to dive back into optimal control for work so i want to get this all tight [22:00] woah awesome [22:00] in the end I didn't do the optimal control module :( [22:00] only robust&nonlinear [22:00] optimal control is my favorite field [22:00] jon's doing optimal&predictive too and apparently it's a bit intensive [22:01] and optimal state estimation [22:01] but I'm doing the machine learning course by rasmussen instead which is very excellent [22:01] it was the hardest module i did [22:01] hah [22:01] check out this lecture slide from machine learning [22:01] it was so silly I had to take a photo [22:01] https://www.dropbox.com/s/yl14lk0gf3xv8fw/2013-02-14%2010.04.33.jpg [22:01] wat [22:02] let me guess, this is a pure math class [22:02] not even [22:02] this is my machine learning module [22:02] christ [22:02] http://www.amazon.com/Optimal-Control-Theory-Introduction-Engineering/dp/0486434842 [22:02] cheap! [22:02] that ^ is a summary of message passing for the trueskill model on a factor graph [22:02] kinda like belief propagation [22:02] eroomde: That is the best book ever [22:02] it's how xbox live sorts out who to match you against for instance [22:03] very cool [22:03] arko: you like it? [22:03] cool [22:03] yes [22:03] OZ1SKY_Brian (~Brian@x1-6-20-4e-7f-c8-44-7a.k599.webspeed.dk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:03] let me get you a list when i get home [22:03] i would buy it now but it would opress me even more [22:03] from the pile of unread textbooks [22:03] i have a few recommendations [22:03] ok cool [22:03] yeah, my pile is scary, i really should read them [22:03] but i only do when im trying to solve a problem involving the subject [22:04] even then i usually just google [22:04] so by summer i want to bosh off this book on linear algebra, SICP, and Concepts in Thermodynamics [22:04] I like having a chapter of a textbook to read through [22:04] but getting through a whole book can be a bit of a slog [22:04] and you really want to be doing examples and working along [22:04] these are all books that i want to do the whole thing^ [22:04] im actually making progress on RPE [22:05] sicp is on my list [22:05] other textbooks are on the list just for chapters [22:05] yeah, i have no excuses [22:05] just need to do it [22:06] thats the MIT book right? [22:06] ah just googled it, yep [22:06] maybe i will get optimal control theory now... [22:09] malgar (~malgar@adsl-ull-243-10.49-151.net24.it) left irc: Quit: Sto andando via [22:13] ordered [22:13] better blast through this linalg then [22:14] :P [22:14] might get that 2nd monitor i've been saving up for too [22:15] 2nd monitor's a great idea :P [22:15] Couldn't live without a second monitor. [22:15] i've had to for financial reasons [22:15] That happens I suppose. [22:15] hah [22:15] but my current feeling is what's an extra few hundred dollars ontop of the USA holiday credit card bill [22:15] then it will be third and fourth and so on [22:16] 2 will do for now [22:16] http://iheartwallstreet.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/operator-wall-street.jpg [22:16] what sizes? [22:16] eroomde in 3 years ^ [22:16] I'm still tempted by that ergotron thing [22:16] PaulROB (5e0ea94c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.14.169.76) left irc: Quit: Page closed [22:16] another dell u2410 [22:16] to match the current [22:16] nice [22:16] but I realised my desk at home and uni has very little space behind it, which might be a big issue [22:16] people still have PC's with one monitor ? [22:16] how quaint [22:16] also it's like twice the cost of a new monitor [22:16] yes i would like an ergotronamajigger too [22:16] i just use my laptop and one external monitor [22:17] I bought my pair about five years back. Two 22" Samsung ones. [22:17] nigelvh: yea, I got my two 24" samsungs about four years ago [22:17] very happy but [22:17] CFLs are kinda heavy and big [22:17] I mean I know they're still LCDs and all [22:17] but new LED LCDs are sooo light and thin [22:17] Haha [22:18] hmm, free delivery by wednesday [22:18] prime <3 [22:18] arko: in the UK, we get free 2-day delivery without prime :P [22:18] damn [22:18] prime gets you free next-morning delivery on late-night items though [22:18] which is also nice [22:18] :O [22:18] woah [22:19] UK's a lot smaller [22:19] that said aiui amazon's US operations are working on same-day and next-day delivery [22:19] now they've started actually paying in-state sales tax [22:20] ahh [22:20] BOOM [22:21] should be here on wednesday [22:21] plenty of time to become an expert at linalg [22:21] WOOT [22:21] eroomde: no sleeping [22:21] i don;t need to be an expert on linalg for the 2nd monitor [22:21] it's the monitor i just bought [22:21] not the control book [22:21] ohhh [22:21] i did just buy that too [22:21] derp [22:22] Monitor will change your life. [22:22] so i shall now have a matched pair of nice IPS 24" monitors [22:22] no more switching between schematic and layout [22:22] Those dell monitors *are* nice. [22:22] or code window and docs [22:22] or youtube 1 and youtube 2 [22:23] http://www.amazon.co.uk/Black-Decker-Li-Ion-Performance-Compact/dp/B005S3ZVG2/ref=pd_sim_sbs_diy_3 sort of related to amazon [22:23] recommended [22:24] i've spent enough just now [22:24] YouTube 1 and 2 - cats and Russian dashcams? [22:24] and don;t really need a corless drill [22:24] SpeedEvil: exacty [22:24] eroomde: the world will be different now [22:24] i know [22:25] it's gonna make me sooooo productive i shall write blog posts about productivity [22:25] sv9qct (4e577146@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.87.113.70) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [22:25] hehe [22:25] and then throw my readers with my curveball style with titles like [22:25] Why You Should Work In A Coffee Shop At Least 3 Hours A Day [22:25] (Even If You Have An OfficE) [22:25] How I Changed My View Of The World When I Helped A Homeless Man [22:26] "Tips for Work-Life Balance" [22:26] and other gauche and unselfaware SF poser-entrepeneur bollocks [22:27] i do love that city very much, I should say :) but i did see some of this more grating end in coffee shops [22:27] Tips For Work Life Balance always seem to be something inadvertendly funny, like 'learn Awk' [22:28] Tips for Work / Life Balance #1: Quit your job. [22:28] :) [22:30] number10 (569a0f98@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.154.15.152) left irc: Quit: Page closed [22:32] BrainDamage (~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-94-36-255-43.clienti.tiscali.it) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [22:33] night all [22:34] SP9UOB_Tom (~verox@matrix.verox.pl) left irc: Quit: "Woman with bleached blonde hair have black hair by cracky." [22:36] BrainDamage (~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-94-36-255-43.clienti.tiscali.it) joined #highaltitude. [22:36] zamabe (~zamabe@unaffiliated/zamabe) joined #highaltitude. 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[22:43] She thinks my tractor's sexy [22:43] It really turns her on [22:43] She's always staring at me [22:43] While I'm chuggin along [22:43] Country can be good. [22:43] Action: eroomde is still here [22:43] I enjoy a good bit of it. [22:43] jetlag's a bummer huh [22:43] Action: arko calls chanserv to kick eroomde [22:43] it's like 2:43pm here [22:44] 14:44 to be exact [22:44] it's 2.43pm in my head too [22:44] hehe [22:44] im wide awake doing hw :/ [22:44] err on irc [22:44] should have started on the west coast and moved east really :P [22:44] not a nice idea from a weather pov [22:45] was nice to start in down jacket and artic woolyhat and scraves round nose and cheeks and frost bite [22:45] I guess so [22:45] would have given you less jetlag :P [22:45] and get towards 'hmm maybe i should put the roof of my convertible mustang up because i might get sunburn' [22:45] >_> [22:45] firstworldproblems [22:45] was that a fun drive? [22:45] eroomde: move to pasadena yo [22:45] oh god yes [22:46] easy solution [22:46] so much fun [22:46] and the radio was totally on form [22:46] hotel california [22:46] haha [22:46] santa cruz you're not that far [22:46] etc etc [22:46] Randomskk: http://www.flickr.com/photos/eroomde/8476717507/in/set-72157632591417825 [22:47] yes I saw [22:47] it came up on my flickr page [22:47] I was very jealous [22:47] ah i forget you get force fed it anyway [22:47] bonnet would make a ncie ground plane [22:47] good chase mobile [22:47] chasemobile* [22:47] right anyway [22:48] i am going [22:48] nn [22:48] sure you are [22:48] Received email: gonzo_ "[UKHAS] Re: BONZO4 Launch Announcement - Sun 17th February - Dorset [22:48] We believe you [22:48] totally [22:52] http://i.imgur.com/vomQPUX.jpg [22:53] That better be an illustration of a nightmare you just had. [22:54] http://i.imgur.com/W3LGPM4.jpg [22:54] daveake (~Dave@daveake.plus.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:58] mmm cookies [22:58] does the uk have girl scout cookies? [22:59] not as such [22:59] not round here afaik [22:59] when i was in the scouts we made cookies if that counts... [22:59] haha [22:59] nah man, girl scout cookies in the us are like a thing [22:59] they are really good [22:59] my theory is that it's pure crack [23:00] I could agree with that. [23:00] Fucking thin mints... [23:00] dude [23:00] that at samoas [23:00] god bless america [23:00] I also love those plain butter cookies [23:00] Forget what they call them. [23:00] http://cdn.wl.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/crying-eagle3.gif [23:01] oh yeah those [23:01] agreed [23:02] had some of these earlier.. http://goo.gl/EbHa1 [23:02] very good [23:02] CHIPS [23:02] crisps [23:02] chips [23:03] CHRISps [23:03] CHIPs [23:03] ARKOs? [23:03] i dunno [23:03] crisps [23:03] Chips [23:03] 50/50 now [23:04] Nick change: nigelvh -> totallyanotherdu [23:04] Chips [23:04] they are chrispy, so guess what they are called [23:04] Nick change: totallyanotherdu -> nigelvh [23:04] Chips [23:05] chips have fluffy potatoe in. (Onless they are from fast food outlets, where they are made from dogs lips) [23:05] damn [23:06] no i need to walk over to the gas station down the street and get chips and a drink [23:06] Fries are fried [23:06] err petrolstation? [23:06] chips are chipped [23:06] fires are what fas tood places call them, so that don't count [23:06] yeah, you mine them [23:06] a chippie sells chips [23:06] brb gettting chips [23:07] with fish, or a pie? [23:07] then there is what to put on chips.... [23:08] salt and vinegar in uk, salt and sauce in scotland I've heard [23:08] chris_99 (~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:08] salt and vinegar is the usual! [23:08] damn, beaten to it. [23:08] my favourite, the north have iot right, chips 'n gravy [23:09] or chips 'n curry [23:09] oh yes, that propper gloopy curry sauce [23:10] yeah, it was kinda nice for the first few minuited [23:10] I have some of the mix for that. The local chinese shop do it [23:10] :O [23:10] I'd tend to go with chips with something in batter. [23:10] goes nice with chips and a chicken pie actually [23:11] or on a savloy, makes it a bit germanic [23:11] I'm hungry now [23:11] i hope there are some more of those butter crisps downstairs... [23:12] I suspect all the local chippys are closed now :( [23:12] some pizza/kebab places may be open. But not proper chips [23:13] the kebab place was actually voted to do the best chips in town near me [23:14] coincidentally the survey was run by the same scout group that used to make the cookies... [23:15] I remember the bbc R4 food program used to do a best in britain type search from time to time [23:16] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xYW1meGBcg [23:16] the bext english breakfast was won by a road side van [23:16] truckers used to detour from all over to go there [23:16] (somewhere near frome. Suspect I'd used it at some stage) [23:17] mcc42 (~mcc42@host86-174-0-64.range86-174.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [23:17] should get them in for the ukhas conference [23:17] im off, night all! [23:18] ditto gn [23:18] chrisstubbs (chrisstubb@host86-173-240-238.range86-173.btcentralplus.com) left irc: [23:18] have the conf in their lay by [23:18] daveake (~androirc@daveake.plus.com) joined #highaltitude. [23:19] Helios_STOLEN (~HeliosFA@requiem.soton.gia-lan.co.uk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:19] Laurenceb_ (~Laurence@host86-135-134-44.range86-135.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [23:21] chips and energy drink aquired [23:23] mcc42 (~mcc42@host86-174-0-64.range86-174.btcentralplus.com) left irc: [23:33] daveake (~androirc@daveake.plus.com) left irc: Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com ) [23:37] hi nigelvh [23:42] Afternoon Lunar [23:46] how are you? [23:46] Doing well. Enjoying a low key sunday afternoon. [23:47] that is good [23:47] I was rather shocked earlier [23:47] Yes? [23:47] I heard of a man who was born in a north korean concentration camp and was able to flee at age 23 and did know nothing about the world outside until a few weeks before his escape [23:47] I saw a CBS interview with him [23:48] Yep [23:48] that was a cruel and amazing story [23:48] think of it [23:48] Unfortunately there are a number of places that aren't as nice as the UK or US are. [23:48] his drive was that he could eat grilled chicken [23:48] yeah [23:49] but I am still puzzled [23:49] you know his story? [23:50] Not the specifics. [23:50] his friend and he tried to run for the fence on Jan. 2, 2005 [23:50] he fell on the snow, so his partner was on the fence first, threw himself on the bottom wire and was electrocuted [23:50] and the other guy made it through by crawling over him [23:51] I was wondering about that [23:51] mmhmm [23:51] because they say if someone is electrocuted in an accident, you shall not touch the person until the power is shut [23:52] Yes, that is generally true, however, a person is a relatively high resistance conductor, so you're less likely to be injured. [23:52] hm [23:52] yea I wondered how they had planned it to get through together [23:52] they were sent to gather wood [23:52] I don't know if an axe could have severed the wires [23:53] especially with high voltage on them [23:54] Perhaps, though it sounds more like his friend fell on the wire to begin with, so it doesn't seem that aspect was planned. [23:54] yea [23:54] Shin, that was the name of the guy who escaped was planned to get to the fence first [23:54] but he slipped on the snowy gradient [23:54] so Park got there instead [23:54] maybe it is in more detail in the book [23:55] but as the author said at TEDx, Park should have guided them through to China as he studied in the USSR and knew the world "outside" [00:00] --- Mon Feb 18 2013